So, what are your thoughts on this service?
Never heard of that before and at the moment I don't have time to read into it ^^
Was hoping for an 'never heard of that OR what?' kind of poll option :P
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But you have heard of it. This thread is literally about the topic :D
(In all seriousness though, that answer would've made no sense in my opinion)
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he probably meant that he has absolutely no idea what this service does
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Literally the first question in the FAQ that I linked :P
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I know, but maruten probably didn't open any of the links
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I'm guessing the same, but then what's the point of even coming on the thread and answering the poll, you know?
I'm not against people looking around, but it's a bit ridiculous to ask for a poll answer for them not knowing about it even though they have the tools of finding out and it'd take literally less than a minute :/
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Well, I was looking for the same option in the poll.
If it's so easy to explain what it is you could've done it in the post.
And talking about ridiculous, you could at least have put a potato option :p
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If it's so easy to explain what it is you could've done it in the post.
Okay. "This is a cloud gaming service".
It is easy to explain. I left enough resources that are designed to explain it to you.
I don't leave the "potato" option because I wanted to actually get information from this poll and the potato meme is unfunny imo. :/
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Never heared of it, but seeing is believing. But hey i am getting a high end pc anyway. :p
And if it cost money anyway, just better to save up for a card.
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I'd say the same. But since the beta is free, I'm quite impressed over it.
The prices seem way too high to be worth it.
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It didn't work 5 years ago when some other company did it and it wont work now. At least I don't think so.
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Yeah, but this time it's Nvidia. Plus, good internet connections are easier to come by and the internet speeds demanded aren't that high.
So, it's coming from the source and the technology has improved. I'd say it might work. Won't be a massive success probably though. Unless they lower their prices, in which case they might make bank off this.
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Good internet connection or not latency is still a thing. For some games it might not matter at all but for many games that you can't run on a toaster it does.
Didn't see anywhere how much it will cost (the FAQ only says that it is free during beta) so I am assuming it is probably gonna be subscription based but then you are gonna be better of saving that money and putting it into building yourself a better PC. In the end only time will tell. I am not using it for sure.
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But why would it be any different between, say... Far Cry 2 and Far Cry 5? The latency would count just as much. The visual fidelity wouldn't change the speed of the game or anything.
Yeah, I'm not sure of the price either other than the ludicrous hourly price. But I think there'll be a monthly subscription. Depends on its price, but it might soon be a situation where it again is easier to rent than to actually buy, like with many other markets.
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What I was trying to say that for something like umm point and click, turn based, card games... latency doesn't matter. But for example shooters (which are generally a bit harder to run in my experience) you are gonna have a bad time with higher latency, especially if multiplayer.
Considering you still have to own the games yourself I don't see that happening with this service unless you aren't planning to use it for a long time.
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I tried it back in 2011-2012 and it worked pretty good for the games I tried as long as you had good internet connection. As far as I'm aware it didn't get closed/thrown away because it didn't work but because Sony acquired the patents for it to use on PS Now or something like that I'm not sure (maybe Sony bought them out or something)
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I believe you are talking about Onlive, and they did fail, that is why they sold their assets. I think a big part of them failing is that the owner of the company mismanaged it, not necessarily because the technology didn't work.
You can read the story here.
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PS Now works quite well for most games, I don't see why the same wouldn't be true for this.
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Didn't work for gamefly (that was one of the first ones?) or whoever it was that tried this.
Unless you have screaming fast internet, it will lag or have some kind of latency... also price.
There is no reason for this.
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15-20 Mbps isn't "screaming fast internet" these days though. The whole of Europe's average Internet speed is over 19.97Mbps. Except for Turkey. For them it's around 15. Usually you'll see numbers ranging from 30-60. This is well below the requirements. In the US and Canada, the average speeds are around 60. (Data taken from Speedtest)
Currently there seems to be no massive latency, but it is said to be noticeable (on speeds that are a third lower than the required speeds, a.k.a. 10Mbps)
The price is the only place where what you've said rings true.
There's no reason for this if it's going to be this expensive. If the price is lowered then there might be a good reason for this. Internet prices are going down while hardware prices seem to have slightly increased over time. So I'd say there is a reason for a service like this, it's just that it's too expensive at this time.
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Oh yeah, I was incorrect. 20 for 720p 60fps and 50 for 1080p 60. But just to add to it, the person benchmarking it got 1080p 60fps sometimes even though he had 10Mbps. It's a dynamic switch and I think these requirements are a bit overblown.
But regardless, the average EU speed is 30-40. While in NA, it's 60. So it's still not perfect, but it'd work nowadays with minimal issues, I think.
(not sure, but I think it'll run near 60fps regardless of your internet speed. You just have too keep up.)
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Most streaming should using different format of compression similar with storing video.
Thus i guess they still look less sharp while streaming:
https://superuser.com/questions/489087/what-are-the-differences-between-h-264-profiles
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Mbps is still throughput though, not latency.
Doesn't matter if you can receive the data for 60 frames per second, if each frame takes 200ms or so to arrive.
Any type of action game will be ruined wth that sort of delay, no matter how smooth it looks
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Yup.
Feel free to watch the benchmark to see how it was in Britain on a GT 520 with 10Mbps. It was included in the thread's description :)
But obviously this has nothing to do with Nvidia, but instead the ISP and your location.
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Yeah, last time someone tried this, I had 4 Mbps download, now I have 60. Still not really interested, though, but you know, might be useful in the future when my gtx950 stops running things nicely.
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Yeah, I have a GTX 1060 6GB and I know I won't be needing it in the next 5 years or so.
But hopefully by the time it has become obsolete, the prices are low enough to be viable :D
I seem to be more optimistic than others here though.
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well, if gpu prices keep skyrocketing... it's viable solution for like 1 month playing 1 really wanted game. Why not if it works.
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That's a lot faster than I have access to in Australia, so it wouldn't be practical even if there was a local server. I typically get about 8 Mbps on my ADSL2+ connection (which is the fastest connection available to me) and it creeps up to 10 after midnight. I did a little trial anyway.
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LifeAsAService™
I want to be in control, which means I want to run stuff locally on my hardware, not in the servers of god-knows-who located in god-knows-where 👀
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I'd say so too right now, but if the prices went down... I don't know. It might become a situation where this might actually compete with physically buying hardware. We'll have to wait and see, I guess.
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Oh I'm not talking price-wise, I'm talking philosophy-wise. Putting my stuff in "the cloud" isn't my thing... Steam itself is more than cloudy enough :s
I'm sure they'll make sure it eventually becomes totally competitive with buying hardware, there are huge economical interests behind this: imagine when it becomes feasible to release games, or even other software, "for cloud only"? The end of piracy, a dream come true for software companies. The end of privacy, too, another dream come true for ad companies and other creeps 🤑 Well, not all of these companies of course, but many (most?) 👀
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Yeah, with anything good, there's a whole heap of potential shit ready to come with it :/
And looking at the world today, that shit will come in an avalanche.
I personally don't care whether it's cloud or not. I prefer it to not be cloud, but it's not a dealbreaker.
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Agree mostly for once in a lifetime experience game, you should keep on your local.
But since the quality of the Steam Direct is getting lower, some is best hand partially or fully to cloud.
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Tested it way back, but at least then it was unusable for me because of the latency and all the games that they (and I) had were fps games...
Last time I checked it was end of the last year and it still had the same issue.
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Damn. What's your internet speed/latency, by the way?
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The program informed that my connection was very good, but it didn't feel like it. Don't know where the nearest server is, all it said was EU Central.
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Not sure if you got very unlucky or the benchmarker got extremely lucky then :/
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This seems interesting, but we'll see at what price they decide to launch this
Anything more than 10€ per month for unlimited service and i'm out, might as well buy my own gaming pc..
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Well, sure, why not. My PC cost me 800€ with shipping. If I wanted to keep it updated then it'd be around 33€ per month. If I didn't keep it that updated and only updated every 4 years, then it'd be 16.6€.
So, I'd say around 15€ would be the max price for me too. But if there are people who want the best graphics, then the optimal price would be 30€ per month or so.
Also, that 800€ wouldn't be for the top of the line PC either, which the PCs on the service are.
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It sounds interesting for someone than cannot afford a decent gaming pc. Although i guess it will depend on the price (subsription probably?) of the service after beta and if there will be lagging issues. I like the idea and would give it a go in the future just out of curiosity or if i am not able to enjoy games in my pc anymore. :P
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So, this is essentially OnLive, but with Nvidia's green coating plastered everywhere. Except it has barely one-tenth of the former OnLive catalogue and a really stupid artificial time limit of four hours.
Sometimes I wonder if there is a secret edict at Nvidia that states: "let's steal an idea, make it a lot worse and significantly more expensive, and let's see if we can use our market status to shove it down on everyone's throat".
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I still have my OnLive. It was pretty neat at the time.
Sony actually bought both GaiKai and OnLive to use for their PSNow service.
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It sounds like the time limit is just for the beta, and that makes sense.
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I dunno. The phrasing does not explicitly state that, but considering that I assume it will be a paid service, a time limit in the public beta would make sense.
'Tis funny though, that people said OnLive's model was not viable enough and would die fast, yet now both Sony and Nvidia are moving towards cloud gaming services.
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The model was not a bad one, just way ahead of it's time. It's still ahead of it's time, in my opinion, but one day I am sure this will be the way everyone plays games.
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Hah! I am sure many executives in the video game industry would like that. It would mean that we would not even have the indefinite game licenses any more (instead of the old physical copies), but gaming in general would be turned into a mobile-phone like service, where they can charge for minutes played.
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I tried it a while ago. Got in the beta maybe 2 months ago. And I have to say I was quite impressed. Very good video quality and low latency. Even a fast game like Nex Machina was very playable. Almost no difference to local play. This is a valid option for people who don't have a powerful PC.
But for me personally Playstation Now is way more interesting. I have a very good PC and no need for Geforce Now. What I do not have is a Playstation. PSNow let's me play some of the exclusives like Until Dawn.
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This is interesting. I have a good desktop PC, but I just got a free laptop and it's not much of a gaming machine, so this service appeals to me in general.
Specifically, though, I don't really see myself using it. I don't use the laptop for gaming very often, and when I do use it, I'm often offline.
Still, pretty cool service, if it works.
I didn't understand the poll option "the price is too high" -- do we know what the price will be when it's fully released? I couldn't find any mention of price anywhere.
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I think that as a free service it's not bad, but game selection is limited.
The theory does sound good enough. Instead of buying a powerful PC, pay for this service. If it ends up cheaper, that a good enough deal. However, it would have to play any game I wanted, not just a small selection.
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From what I've understood, it either already does (or will in the future) allow you to play almost any game through it. But it's just that they will be unsupported.
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My machine is powerful enough, I do not see any added value for me in this service. Also, it is not even free, hence why bother.
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The Beta is free.
But yes, this cloud service that has $4,000 GPUs running will not be free when it is released. :D
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In theory it sounds like it could be good for people with decent internet and a low end machine. Id have to see it in practice before I get any really opinions on it. Though I do know my internet wouldnt be good enough to even bother with the beta.
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I used it to play Just Cause 3 last Nov/Dec and had a blast. There were odd times when the quality would drop significantly but in general, it looked nice enough and with that kind of game latency wasn't much of an issue.
There's also Shadow and LiquidSky or semi-DIY options - https://www.reddit.com/r/cloudygamer.
YMMV with all of these. If you have a poor internet connection and you're thousands of miles from the servers it will suck.
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Good service, I've been a beta tester for quite some time now. Tho I can't play shit, I have 100mpbs internet with 100 minimum ping. Latency is way too much, my mouse literally has a delay of 2 seconds.
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I hate internet providers that give you huge speeds with terrible ping. :D
Sorry that you can't use it :/
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I registered in January but havent received the beta access yet
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now i can pick between playing with an integrated gpu from 2009 or play 2018 fps games with 500ms ping. 👏
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You must be in the bottom 1% of Internet connections in the western world then. :/
Most people have had a smooth experience with minimal latency, even if their connections have been 50% as strong as actually required.
I genuinely don't get the extreme pessimism. But I guess having more options is the worst if that option isn't perfect yet ¯\(ツ)/¯
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Yeah... 1% of the demographic that the beta is for. The world has nothing to do with Nvidia's region restricted program. Shocking, I know.
But seriously, you're trying to get offended on other people's behalf from what I can see.
...But of course you wouldn't just go all passive-aggressive on me without knowing the basic fact that the service is currently only for the US and EU users, right? So what was this about? I genuinely would like to know what got you so riled up about me not mentioning the a region that had nothing to do with this discussion?
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Thanks for this thread. Was not aware that Nvidia was giving this a go.
I'll sign up for the beta. My comp is getting elderly. But I do have a 250Mbps connection. (yes Swedes are spoiled) 👍
If they set a 10-15€/month sub plan... I can see this working out.
💙 for OP (edit: Apparently u were already whitelisted) ;-)
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From what I've seen, insiders have said that there will be a monthly option in the future as well.
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yes but what from I have read it apply for Nvidia shield devices and it wil be 7 USD/month becausestreaming is how Shield operates
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Yeah, that's basically where they've already rolled out the service.
But now this is them expanding it to PCs too.
I have a feeling that the pricing won't be the same because you had to buy an Nvidia product to use it before, but now it doesn't have to be that, meaning that they might jack up the prices.
Hopefully they won't though.
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You seem to be the first person to actually be slightly optimistic about this thing.
Everyone else seems to just throw shade towards it :P
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Yeah I like the idea. And a solid company like Nvidia might just be the ones who gets it done right.
It might not be an instant global wonder. But in areas with good connection standards, I can see services like this become the Netflix of PC games.
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What abt the pricing when it is launched? I hope it is $9.99 per month like Netflix and get unlimited high end gaming on a low end pc
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Right now it seems it'll be pretty damn expensive. But I think the prices will lower once the service evolves and improves.
The comment above said that it'll be 20h of playtime for $25, which is damn demanding. But I've also heard there'll be a monthly fee. How much it'll be remains to be a mystery.
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Have you played through Steam's Streaming? If that shit runs well then this one will probably run even better. :D
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Isn't Steam streaming just between one PC to another device on the same local LAN? That's a bit different then streaming over the Internet. Latency on a local LAN is negligible.
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Very debatable. If you have a bad router, you'll have a bad time.
If you have bad internet, you'll have a bad time and so on.
But if the service works nearly perfectly on a home network then it'll work pretty well on dedicated networks on a multi-billion dollar company.
Well, that's what the benchmarks have shown so far. Including the one that I included in the thread.
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it is the only hope for my 5 year old non gaming laptop. But the service fee is too high for me
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This sounds like it could be useful. We have a PC where the video card just died, and it's way too expensive to buy a replacement right now, so this could potentially resolve that.
However, I'm somewhat dubious. Their advertisements claim "powerful gaming PC", but the fine print says that they target 30 fps. That doesn't sound very powerful to me. If I were to use it, it would be for games that my computer can't run at a solid 60 fps. I can already play games at 30 fps, that's hardly taxing or requiring of a cutting edge system.
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The GPUs in those cloud machines are Tesla P40s.
They have 24GB GDDR5 and they currently can be acquired for a minimum of 7500€.
But I'm guessing it's there for legal reasons. The games should be able to be run at the highest settings at 60fps, but some games have terrible performance, so this is just a safety net for bad ports and odd issues. Most games ran at 60fps on the benchmark.
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Oh, I'm sure the GPUs are powerful, just that they're shared among the users. And if they're targeting 30fps...
I'm not in the beta, so I can't verify performance. If games run at 60fps, that's great. I hope it stays that way.
If I was going to pay for such a service, I would want them to run at 60fps regardless of resolution, so that I could get 60fps performance at say 4K without having to spend hundreds on a 4K capable video card. Otherwise, what's the point? I can already run everything at 30fps at 1080p.
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You can, but very many can't.
My old GT 640 could barely run games made after 2012 at 30fps, 720p, lowest settings. This service isn't for you then and that's fine.
Plus, they're targeting 30fps, but it can run better than that usually. That's the point. If you're expecting 60fps on everything then you're basically expecting them to levitate and walk on water. There are just bad ports out there. Currently everything seems to be running at a solid 60 with very rare dips to the upper 50s. But if there's another Arkham Knight, then I would cover my ass from the incoming lawsuits by just underpromising a certain performance.
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I didn't see anyone mention this, but GeForce NOW already exists for nVidia Shield. It's $7.99 a month, and you get about 60 games to play; you pay extra for the rest (over 100 total).
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/shield/games/geforce-now/
This Mac/PC version seems to be different in that you play compatible games you already own, even Steam, UPlay, and Battle.Net games.
Tempted to try it out, especially if it means playing Denuvo games on their PCs, not mine.
EDIT: Some Denuvo games supported include:
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided
Batman: Arkham Knight
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Mad Max
Prey
Middle Earth: Shadow of War
Final Fantasy XV
DragonBall FighterZ (though i can't imagine playing a fighting game is a good idea)
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The beta's currently free, so if you have any interest in this service, then sign up for the beta and hope that the queue will reach you.
Sign up for the beta
The FAQ for the service.
Keys also seem available for $10-$20, but I'm unsure of their legitimacy.
Here's a lovely, pudgy british man benchmarking the service
Personally, I'm extremely impressed. I won't currently be needing the service because I recently built a new computer, but if I hadn't, then I would've signed up for the beta ASAP.
EDIT: Because for some reason people can't figure out what this is despite the FAQ mentioning it as the first question, I'll explain what this is.
GeForce Now is a cloud gaming service. You pay a fee and you can then use the streaming service to play games with their hardware.
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