Interesting drama over at Hookups. It appears the group has been going crazy with referral links, and there are accusations that ownership is profiteering. The admins and mods have effectively risen up against ownership.

While this may be construed as calling out [I think this is more about the ethics and real mission of the group, though I guess it's hard to separate from the owner], given that many of us are members of the group and not everyone receives the announcements, I thought it was worth posting.

The ethics of the situation may make some question whether they want to continue being members there. I, for one, will be leaving the group.

Below announcement / thread for your reference:

Today's announcement posted by an upset admin

Thread discussing the problems

Mods, if this is inappropriate, please feel free to delete this thread. But I would prefer if this be kept up given the content and issues at play. Thanks.

EDIT: The above links are no longer valid, as the announcement(s) and discussion(s) have been deleted. There are links scattered throughout the replies that will provide historical screen shots. I'm reluctant to paste those here, as it almost gets to a point where it's piling on, but it has been pointed out that the situation is what it is and people can form their own opinions based on the evidence.

EDIT: Okay, I read through the chat transcript posted in the thread, and 1) I genuinely feel stupider after reading the entire thing, and 2) just because you don't like how the owner manages his site does not give anyone license to screw with his site or harass him. Since when does being an ass (some people's apparent opinion) justify disproportionate retribution? Leave him be.

EDIT: It's getting to a point where the discussion has just devolved into bashing the owner. The amount of hate just because the guy's exhibited schmuck-like behavior is a little over-the-top. I'll close this thread at ~8.30pm EST on Friday, August 30, 2013. If you have anything valuable to contribute, speak your peace before we put this thread to bed.

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Now Sammy's Steam nick - .. Really - two dots?

And he put Super Meat Boy badge - I'm too young to die.

I see a lot of deleted comments... again.

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I've been told he's had a mental breakdown.

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Guys, you should leave him alone. Yes, you should call him out on what he has done. But don't go looking for stuff. Don't post his name, images of him, and where he lives. That in my opinion is worse.

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I agree.

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I'm in full agreeance too, all we wanted was to get the truth out there, not to potentially ruin his life.

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Alright, closing thread. It seems that this thing derailed from discussion to a witch hunt. Since the OP feels the same way, I'm going to go ahead and close the thread.

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Before this gets locked, I'll give my statement of accounts on this.

Yes I'm the one that did posted the 'rogue announcement' and yes, it could have included more, and it did look somewhat amateurish, but I wanted to let everyone know what Sammy was doing and saying behind the scenes to me and the other Officers/Mods.

I'm going to label out the reasons on what and why I did some things, I don't care if people do or don't want to believe me, that's your choice, not mine:

  1. I did the rogue announcement simply due to the fact that Sammy decided that if he didn't want hear our opinions, he'd edit them out, which showed little respect for what we said and when he denied it in a thread and called some of us or rather, all of us 'useless' and 'replaceable'. He later claimed he didn't like some of us anyway, although there's no screens or logs available as they weren't captured along with anything else. So I posted all the evidence in the thread, although I wish I included more including his some called 'Hookups exclusive', which can be found in some SteamTrades posts, Neogaf, Ebay, etc..(Can't post them due to Steamgifts rules, but you can Google some of them).

  2. It was claimed I destroyed the group by deleting all the announcements. around '467' or whatever the number was. Yes, I did delete every single announcement, but it was nowhere near the number he claimed, it may have touched around 300, but that's beside the point. He claimed this was his work, which it wasn't around 10% of announcements that was ever posted on Hookups was his, the other 90% was posted by me and the other ex-admins and mods. Besides, 95% of these deals no longer were valid and they were long forgotten, why would it matter if they were deleted? I also deleted all them, due to highlighting my final ever announcement in the group so it would be very noticeable.

  3. It was also claimed I 'destroyed the Hookups forums'. Let me tell you that is false, I did however edit one thread that was called the Hookups Rules to display the message (para-phrasing here): "The Hookups Rules State that everyone below the group owner can't disagree with him, otherwise you will be silenced and banned from the group." So yes, if you want to call that thread vandalized? It was, as the rules didn't apply to him being respectful, so they needed a change to the true format that reflected the group ownership.

  4. He claimed I removed all forum and Group Chat bans. I fully admit that I did so, all of them were removed, why did I do this? I felt it necessary due to the fact that he purposely forum and chat banned the ex-admins and mods of the group, and it was hard to know who he forum banned and chat banned for speaking out against him for bringing and a valid point, or someone that didn't like his Greenlight game and spoke out against it etc. I may have un-banned some phishers and trolls, but it is likely they'll never read this and visit there again anyway.

  5. Some claim I'm the one harassing Sammy or encouraging it. I can safely say I'm not, I'd never endorse such behavior and have no idea if he truly says he's receiving death threats, but if anyone else knows, or is doing it, I'd please advise you to stop as he doesn't deserve it, and he doesn't deserve all his personal details leaked either, all that I wanted to accomplish was that everything he did and said was exposed so that we'd have a side of the story and not have it deleted under his dictatorship called Hookups.

A note to Sam (if he ever reads this): I'm sorry if this ever hurt you, but this needed to be shown, and you can stop all the lying about me sabotaging everything, compared to what I did, and your continued whining and keeping the drama spinning out of control yourself, it's not hurting me or anyone else but yourself. If you'd have been truthful and respectful to your admins/mods and members of Hookups, this never would have had to happen, so suck it up and move on please because all of us are about to. I don't mean you any personal harm, but people out there deserved to see our side, and I don't give a damn who sides with who, I'm not willing to control what people say, like you tried to do, because I believe in freedom of thought and speech, even though I'm not American, you should at least endorse that, and the criticism you get from time to time, it's called a part of life, deal with it. If nothing else, I wish the best for you in life, and for you to be honest in the future and not let anger and your greed get the hold of you. I hope you appreciate this answer.

For anyone else? Say what you want about my actions, but I thought you deserved to know the truth, and even though some may choose to believe it or not, that is YOUR choice and not mine, we're not trying to change it with words, it's your mind that had to make up the decision. I'll leave it at that.

Toast

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Closed 1 decade ago by chairmankao.