Interesting drama over at Hookups. It appears the group has been going crazy with referral links, and there are accusations that ownership is profiteering. The admins and mods have effectively risen up against ownership.

While this may be construed as calling out [I think this is more about the ethics and real mission of the group, though I guess it's hard to separate from the owner], given that many of us are members of the group and not everyone receives the announcements, I thought it was worth posting.

The ethics of the situation may make some question whether they want to continue being members there. I, for one, will be leaving the group.

Below announcement / thread for your reference:

Today's announcement posted by an upset admin

Thread discussing the problems

Mods, if this is inappropriate, please feel free to delete this thread. But I would prefer if this be kept up given the content and issues at play. Thanks.

EDIT: The above links are no longer valid, as the announcement(s) and discussion(s) have been deleted. There are links scattered throughout the replies that will provide historical screen shots. I'm reluctant to paste those here, as it almost gets to a point where it's piling on, but it has been pointed out that the situation is what it is and people can form their own opinions based on the evidence.

EDIT: Okay, I read through the chat transcript posted in the thread, and 1) I genuinely feel stupider after reading the entire thing, and 2) just because you don't like how the owner manages his site does not give anyone license to screw with his site or harass him. Since when does being an ass (some people's apparent opinion) justify disproportionate retribution? Leave him be.

EDIT: It's getting to a point where the discussion has just devolved into bashing the owner. The amount of hate just because the guy's exhibited schmuck-like behavior is a little over-the-top. I'll close this thread at ~8.30pm EST on Friday, August 30, 2013. If you have anything valuable to contribute, speak your peace before we put this thread to bed.

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Wow, just wow.

He banned me from the group hour ago, and I managed to find this thread. I already lost hope that somebody will reveal this dictator.
He opened thread about situation in the group. Anybody, and literally anybody who oppose him is banned.
Why I was banned?


Remember this?
http://www.steamgifts.com/forum/aCyWQ/hookups-group-disabled

I was moderator of this group before Valve shut it down. I was in his friend list. I said Sammy why group was suspended and I posted it in his prvate conversation (his stutus in activity). Guess what? He removed me from friend list. Pathetic.

Too bad SPUF moderators closed thread about Hookups so I couldn't post because I waited my account to be verified.


That's what I typed (90%). Minuts later, I was banned from group.

So, you don't agree with him and you are gone.

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I remember seeing your post before the group got locked down. What did he say in the reason for ban?

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Is there a reason for a ban?

I just refreshed thread and got:


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An error was encountered while processing your request:

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Yeah I got the same thing .. he locked the whole thing down until his users fight the good fight and win :-/

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Exactly, he's always been like this with everyone and even with us former admins and mods, looks like he'll never change. Kind of pathetic if you ask me.

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When I was moderator before Valve temporarely shut down, I remember Xamon was admin, not others.

Anyway, I stayed in the group but I already knew how Sammy acts, and I'm glad finally everybody sees this.

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Just for the record, despite the way Sammy acted during the Hookups shutdown, that was not his fault, it was some really shady stuff on the part of Steam Support.

And he didn't defriend me for asking why it was shut down. Just saying.

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Can someone recommend any other group similiar to this, preferably one which isn't run by giant PITA? :) Or does formal admins plan to make a new group?

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You can visit cheap ass gamer and isthereanydeal.com for pretty much the same info. For the paypal stuff trader's guild has those I think.

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LewisLol and I have had a deal posting group for a little while now if you're interested.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/OpiumPulsesSavings

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Already joined. Screw stupid drama and owner.

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I joined as well. After reading about this entire ordeal over the course of the day, it is pretty clear what kind of group Hookups is going to be/has already started to turn into. Like you all, I don't care about the ref links. Get something back for your hard work, but it is even more amazing that you will be putting all the revenue back into the community. I applaud your group (your home page is pretty upfront about what your group is about), and am truly sorry about the events that have happened recently. You admins put a lot of blood, sweat, and tears into Hookups, and some even lost who they thought was a good friend.

Good luck to your group! I'll let my friends know about it.

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Thanks very much for your kind words. 4 ex-staff of Hookups are already part of the team with the possibility of others joining in the future, after their well deserved break from helping to run groups. Our content is just as high in quality and we have nothing to hide :)

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Joined there a week or so ago :D

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OpiumPulsesSaving and Trader's Guild are some, plus amazon, gmg, and gamersgate deals always get posted here on SG.

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Also check this.
/r/GameDeals

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Try this maybe.

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I just left. Fuck this.

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Every time I refresh that group has fewer members. :D

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Yup, last time I checked, it was at 28932 members.

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28,890 now :P

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Exodus stopped at 28.867 members.

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He's insane and wants people to feel sorry for him, surprised people are still staying in the group after all this crap he just did 20 mins ago.

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He needs to borrow one of his girlfriend's tampons.

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Some just don't care or follow...

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If only people cared this much about things that actually mattered...

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Oh don't let us stop you from curing cancer and feeding the 3rd world.

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tea. everywhere. I just spit tea everywhere.

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That was a pretty legendary reply..

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For some reason ( really not sure why ) I had an image of Beavis from Beavis and Butthead in his hyper mode spitting all over the place that he does from time to time in that show.

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Perhaps we should feed the cancer to the third world countries.

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that sounds crazy enough to work.

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Just like in Saints Row IV!

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Such a good show :)

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Hell yes :D

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I think the only thing to note now is that since everything else has been deleted and there's no more discussion forums to go to, that the members of Hookups that(for some reason) hasn't been online the past 2 days will only see Sammy's side of the story since we can't guarantee that all members of Hookups regularly use SteamGifts or the forum for that matter so they won't see this thread or the announcement on Opium Pulse.

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lol, you saw the announcement? shakes hand

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Your avatar.. lol.. prob my fav char from that. ( Yea I know its a bit off topic but just had to say it :P )

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I can understand locking something because it completely veers off course, but deleting stuff entirely never looks good imo. I'm going to be leaving the group too and will encourage any of my friends to do so as well.

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give them an alternative deal group too

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here: gameshunt.pl/ Polish, but you will understand most of it

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I'd honestly recommend Traders Guild or Opium Pulses $avings

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Latest update: Group has been 100% locked down... comments to the homepage, discussions, announcements and events have been blocked and all group permissions have been set to owner only (meaning the new mods couldn't even kick the spammers from chat). On top of all that the group is now invite only until the members "stop the drama"?

It's a sad sight to say the least :(

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The group is literally being stripped apart at this point, really sad.

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That's a bad move by him.
He seriously could have continued combing the internet for deals and a majority of his members would not have noticed a thing.

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Made it too obvious at this point that something is wrong.

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it'd be funny if members started to leave now because he isn't posting deals anymore so he'll get replaced

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even sammy's steam profile is now private http://steamcommunity.com/id/o0O0oOdbOo0O0o

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If people have been personally abusing him, that's completely out of order. Hopefully that's not the reason :(

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true

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i think it's because of the 1500 games and level 32 ordeal and now that we don't see it, he doesn't have 1500 games anymore.
but yeah, no one deserves to be abused and hopefully that is not the case

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That and someone mentioned that he had like 50+ hours of playtime a week. I didn't actually think to look at the time, but that's a full-time job and then some. If you are really playing games that much then you obviously aren't doing shit to make ends meet.

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Haha locked down! Group has 28.000 members though. I wonder how many will leave? My bet is not many... Anyway who's this Sammy boy? How old is he, 3?

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He's in his late 20's as far as I'm aware.

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He's 28 or something.

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28.893 now. xD

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This will only end up having a very tiny impact on the group's membership. When you reach numbers like this it doesn't matter what happens, some people will still stick around.

Funny that the group owner had to throw a fit and go nuclear - he could easily have shrugged all this criticism off and kept going like nothing happened.

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Yes but it's fun looking at it. :D

28.886

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28,885 now!

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Woooo bleeding another member.

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I left the group and here's my reasoning:
I was fine with referral links but I'm not going to knowingly financially support a guy that acts like Sammy does. I was planning to leave anyway and then I saw the announcement locking the group. Way to sabotage your efforts Sammy.

Shame for him too because prior to that I intentionally used the referral links multiple times to give a little something as thanks for sending out the deals.

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He's acting like a child, one of the several reasons 90% of the admin/mod team left the group.

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Yup, and exactly the reason I left as a member. I've been a member of OP savings for awhile and will be happy to switch to them as my primary deal finding source. I know at least a couple of the Hookups mods are affiliated with them

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And we are glad to have you! =D

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But his rent is too damned high! Y U NO support him?

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If he has two jobs and sells his blood still can't pay rent, how the fuck is he gaming 60 hours per fortnight?

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Cocaine is a hell of a drug, son

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So he's using the referral cash to buy drugs now! :D

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His cardboard box in the alleyway must have a HUGE rent, man.

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LOL

I was wondering how he was able to function without sleep.

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Joined Hookups myself when it was rather new and had few members but left it immidietely when I learned that owner or mods started massively inviting people. I just hate assholes inviting random strangers to their '23567th unique gaming community' using bots or other shit, for me it's just unwanted spam I have to delete and annoyingly waste my time doing so, it was just a matter of principles to leave. Didn't know the group got so big and the owner started making cash out of referrals, his reaction clearly shows what kind of man he is and he's not one I'd like to see profiting.

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I agree. I don't really want to bash the owner. He's actually built himself a nice little side business, from all accounts. So in that regard, I'm impressed and he's got my respect. But as a result, the positioning of the group as wanting to help out people then becomes disingenuous. It changes the dynamics completely.

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So if this doesnt die down or ends up falling apart due to the owner and old staff of the group. What is the next best place to go like this?

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Whatever community is made by the mods who decide to leave... It happens to all big communities when the owner goes nuts, or at least it usually does.

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A lot of us have already moved to Opium Pulses Savings.

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Really don't care about the drama, but it seems as though new deals won't be posted, so what's the point in staying? Time to find a new group.

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All this is actually pretty astounding, first he posts these links to awesome deals:

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Massive Price Changes
Hookups Exclusives

Metro Last Light Pre order (incl Ranger DLC + Comic) - $14.99
Bioshock Infinite - $14.99
Dead Island Riptide Pre order (incl Survivor DLC) - $14.99
Tomb Raider Pre-Order (incl Animal+Pistol DLC) - $12.99
DMC: Devil May Cry Pre-Order (incl Costume DLC) - $12.99
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Then goes and locks down the group asking for the drama to stop now:


Drama Ends Now!!!
Fight for Hookups!!! Fight for me, make the drama stop and ill unlock this group. If you care about anything then do this for me. But until something changes and the harassment stops there is no need to Hook you guys up with anything. I love you guys but this drama and harassment has gone way too far.

How old is this guy anyway?? 5?

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Physically, 28. Mentally? Too young to own a steam account.

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Renjility (same seller) offers those exact same deals directly in his Steam Trades thread:
http://www.steamtrades.com/forum/S5ggn/

That "Massive Price Changes Hookups Exclusives" is really just Renjility's normal pricing.

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yah that made me leave :/ i really didnt care untell i was dragged into this bullshit for just being a member

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"Fight for me!!! If you do Gaben will bless you with 100 games in the afterlife"

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I don't think you understood it.

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At least attempt to read everything before typing. If you had read anything at all, you would've known that Sammy was doing all of this behind people's back.

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You obviously don't know how crappy the edit tracking is in Valve's community system. Edits are not shown at all. It simply say's someone did an edit, but doesn't show what exactly was edited.

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You clearly didn't read into it much, it's about more than the whole money and referrals programs.

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So, someone explain to me why there's drama and how it started.

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Again AK, you clearly didn't read much into it.

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You are making yourself look bad through ignorance and quackery.

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hahah quackery :D

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"clearly because some of the mods / admins didnt get a piece of moneycake sammy was making.."

Nowhere in the many, MANY screenies that involved the ex-staff and Sammy did the topic of the ex-staff getting a share was ever brought up.

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I'm not saying that they didn't know. They knew from the start that Sammy was using referrals. If you read the entire thing, it started off as Sammy asking the mods if he should go weekly or month giveaways, to SlipSlot asking about all the money Sammy made from the referrals since Sammy claimed that all money made from referrals was going back to the community in the form of giveaways. When confronted, Sammy claimed he only made a few dollars when in actuality, he made a lot more than he claimed which he then used to pay for his rent(questionable since there's no proof). When the thread was deleted, the mods grew outraged over the lack of respect Sammy showed them and a mod wrote a thread to Sammy regarding his trigger happy thread deletion/thread moving. After some arguments, Sammy said something along the lines of "You guys are all replaceable and I have no qualms in doing so..." which pissed the mods off even more because of all the hard work they put into the group so they banded up and left.

That's the gist of what I've read...might've missed a few details but I believe that's what it was about...

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Yeah he was about to do a giveaway, by using 1% of the profit he gained from referrals. What a joke.

The reason everyone left was not even about referrals, I'm fine with you being completely ignorant of the entire situation. Please do carry on. Please shill for Sammy's cause harder, maybe you would like to start a charity fund for him next so he can pay for his 400 dollar rent. Perhaps you could even start an indie gogo campaign, those are all the rage these days.

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What the fuck do you think people are doing? They are leaving lol...besides for most people its not even the fact he did the referral links. Personally I couldn't give a fuck. If I'm going to buy a product regardless of a referral or not why not use it.

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Oh he is breaking the TOS, with an invite spam bot.

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It is.

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maybe he wants you to locate the exact words in the tos that says it

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I see a line in the Subscriber Agreement prohibiting the use of bots to trade or play games, but nothing preventing people using them to unrelentingly spam users with group invites :(

It strikes me as something which shouldn't be allowed, but while it is clearly a dick move, from what I can see, it doesn't seem to be breaking any specific rules.

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Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that Valve believes is illegal, constitutes a Cheat, or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers.

Being spammed with invites negatively affects my experience.

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Before they left, they informed the group about sammy's behavior and warned them about his action. If you want to call it whining then go right ahead.
Then, by chance, they found this thread about it. Just like you. It's kind of funny how your post count this month suddenly shot up and in the pretty long forum too I might add. Anyways, to prevent any misinformation from spreading and because this is the only place they could talk with fear of getting the thread deleted, they informed the sg public of what happened or at least their side of it. But sammy did try to get this thread removed but failed in doing so because he had no power here. Appearing in this thread himself, he did not try to present his side of the case besides what was already mentioned but instead, wanted to fight with his ex-mods to end this.
Also, saying that second bit will only make people more suspicious and people are capable of learning from their mistaking, seeing how previous supporter of sammy was both in his group and friends list.

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Well as in Toast's post he used an invite spam bot but thats something only the admins know for sure I think. Either way this whole thing should just end. Make the decision to leave or stay in the group by whatever proof there is. It isn't like he posts any "exclusive" deals to the contrary of what he might say. Most of the deals from GMG/Amazon or wherever are posted 20 times everywhere else including here from time to time.

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Those aren't the "exclusive" deals that are mentioned...it's more of it being SteamTrades traders that were recruited to the group to sell or something like that.

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Some of the users might have more a problem with him claiming that the referrals were used for the benefit of the group when in actuality, he was using it for himself. I think one of the ex-mods said it in a thread somewhere that they only wanted transparency: If Sammy had come out flat and said he was putting referrals and wanted to make a profit for himself, the mods wouldn't have cared so much but he stated from the beginning that all money made from referrals were to be put back into the community in the form of gifts which he never did until now with an exploited game and a <$1 game from a very recent Humble Bundle.

And to your last point, although true, it's still kind of heartless. Most of the ex-mods put many of their hours into the group, enforcing the rules, making sure that the community would be one of the better ones not filled with trash. They stayed online looking for deals to post, or posted deals of which they had been informed by the users.

My mind makes these weird connections, so bear with me:

Think of the ex-mods to the community as a step-uncle to a kid. They nurtured the community to what it is now and then they're told that they're easily replaceable.

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Clearly you've got the basic English comprehension skills of a cerebrally challenged hedgehog with a bad case of concussion.

If you'd bothered to read any of what's been posted (including that which was airbrushed out of existence by the group's esteemed owner) you'd realise that what you posted makes less sense than a Jeffrey Archer novel.

None of the mods cited this as their reason for leaving. It's a straw man.

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Ur grammer s givin me cancer.

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Maybe he's doing it on purpose or maybe he's sammy.
Someone did say a previous person wrote like sammy when he sided with him and now he learned from his mistakes and came back as this person.

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That would make a lot of sense. Lets look at the similarities:

1.) Unable to get off his high horse.
2.) Enjoys arguing for the sake of it.
3.) Trivializing the issues at hand.

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Indeed.

  • Same narcissistic tendencies.

  • Same tracing paper-thin skin.

  • Same unwillingness to recognise and deal with the issue at hand, preferring to set up easily toppled straw men.

Maybe it's his "girlfriend"?

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"....ungrateful jerks!!!!"

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Wipe those tears away, comrade.

It's got nothing to do with your standard of English and everything to do with you not bothering to read the thread and the [now deleted] discussions salvaged from Hookups before the owner got busy with his airbrush.

As I said before, none of the mods cited wanting a share of the referral link income as their reason for leaving. Read the linked discussions. Check the posts by the ex-mods in this very thread. There's nothing. It's a straw man, entirely of your/his own creation.

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Clearly someone didn't read anything because money is not why people are leaving.
We are leaving.
They are expressing their side of the story, we would gladly listen to sammy's side if he would care to explain beyond I can't pay for my rent, I had a bad day, I work 2 jobs, and I donate plasma for his actions.
We really don't mind the ref link. Just look at this website, no one knows how much cg is making and (to my knowledge) cg has never promised to make giveaways. All we know is that he spends a good amount on amazing giveaways for this site and doesn't treat people like shit, except for the occasional rule breaker. Heck, we even disabled ad-block to generate more revenue for this site and even want to donate to this site if we could.

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Real men do complete blood donations. Not only plasma.

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Real men donate, rather than selling it.

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Oh. He sells blood? That's wicked sick.

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I hope he doesn't "donate" his sperm.

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but plasma is compatible with everyone.

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So is my blood.

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Anyone wanna give me a short simple answer? So far what I've seen is that "It's not about referallz!!!!!1" but that it's about the owner of the group using the money he earned from the referrals to pay for his rent. Anyone else got anything to add? Because honestly if that's all, I think the solution would be for everyone to just shut up and go home.

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The short answer is he promised to use all the money from the referrals in giveaways for the group and used most of it for himself.
So thus don't tell people to shut up, cause you blatantly didn't read the whole thing.

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Well, if that IS the short simple answer then my solution is the same. Shut up, get over it, and if you don't like it leave, you don't need to attempt to ruin someone's reputation. Same goes for stuff like EA, if you know a game is probably gonna be packed with crappy DLC and Micro-transactions and you don't like that, why would you buy it? Just stop giving EA money and the problem will eventually go away.

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If only the world were as simple as you say. And since when have I tried to ruin someone's reputation? He ruined his own reputation by his own hands.

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Except the problem here isn't going away and if you'd read the thread at all, you would know this. This is a last effort because the mod was a pratstick and is now playing the "woe me" card. To put this into an analogy, what has essentially happened here is that he took money (from the links) and said "I'm going to give it to charity" (give back to the group) and then proceeded to blow it all on a Mercedes (his rent) and then lied about how much was put into the charity box (the referral profits) when all that was ever asked was proof he owned the car for honesty's sake (transparency). People are going to be pissed. Shut up, get over it and if you don't like it, leave.

1 decade ago
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K.

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Special K?

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wow this thread xploded from the other night, beer and popcorn are not wasted reading this
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i have left this group after reading this whole thread and left some comments on comments i agree with

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I'm not entirely sure what happened, but this morning, I received an event notification from Hookups. Upon going to the Group, I found myself unable to read anything, post anything, etc. I thought this weird, considering that the only interaction I think I've ever posted to the group was saying thank you for one of the deals. Given the drama that has been going on, I thought it prudent to leave. This is just messy and I don't like the implications of what the owner has done.

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I checked out the Greenlight game description, and he apparently has permission from the devs to release it on Greenlight. I don't know if that's against the terms of service or anything, I haven't found anything specifically stating that releasing the game on Greenlight is "wrong," but it seems like people are searching for reasons to make him look worse now.

I mean, I agree with you on most parts, but those are my thoughts concerning the whole Greenlight angle.

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Pretty sure he's been called on this already and just deleted it, as usual. If he had proof, I think he'd have shown it.

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Probably. It's still a dickish thing to do, I wonder if the original devs would be earning any of the royalties, assuming that he has their permission.
And then, he seems to like holding back proof, doesn't he?

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Oh, lol.

Edit: The $100 tier. "Admin spot in Steam Group Hookups for a month"

Yeah, we all know how useless that is now, don't we?

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Really? That is priceless :D

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lol, now that's an incentive. One whole month too!

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It's even funnier when you read the chat transcript where he offers some random guy an admin position on the spot. And then gives mod designation to someone else who admits that he's a serial chat idler.

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I spotted the game on some abandonware site. I suppose it's the shareware version.

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The greenlight version is the shareware version. He has absolutely no game development skills and the original dev team have apparently left it for him to do as he pleases. He saw a cash cow and is now trying desperately to make it succeed.

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So he isn't even offering full version? And those minimum requirements? Considering effort to run dosbox to get even this game running...

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If anyone wants to observe Sammy in his natural environment, here is the hookups chat log of about 12000 lines of text.
Afraid I might break his cover, I cannot reveal the source of this text.

Of course there is no point in reading this, it's just for those that need maximum drama exposure. Ctrl+f =^[(O){d_b}(O)]^= to find the word of sammy.

http://pastebin.com/Sxvfdjce part 1
http://pastebin.com/z9cKcnSY part 2

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Whoa man. If that's not altered that Sammy guy is really a drama queen. And look at all those prideless asslickers trying to scratch an admin position.

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Welp, time to leave this group.

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+1

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Just read this article, dunno if it's true but related to this topic Steam Greenlight Scam

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It got posted before your post buddy. You are just a tad too late.

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sorry didn't see it since this thread is blown up with posts

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Did you see the pastebin link in Meemo's post three entries above yours? Someone outed you as a "cock gobbler". I swear, it wasn't me. When I told you your cock gobbling secret was safe with me, I meant it! I will go to my grave without divulging your secret cock gobbling ways!

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The text is too long, I stopped reading it like after a good 1 minute of reading.
Edit: Found the two, maybe three guys. While I do not condone their behaviours, I feel no need to act. All I hope for is for all those people to know the real truth, and not blindly believe in sammy.

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Bah, everyone around here already knows CHT gobbles cocks as a living and as a hobby. Those guys are waaaay behind the times. ;)

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Just.... give up Sammy, it's too late and you're done. just stop with this, and move on. Or else it's going to be a death threat around here or real life.

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Death threats? What in Gaben's name are you talking about?

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Okay, calm down, dude. So you don't like how he runs things, so be it. I didn't either, so I left the group. But interfering with his group / business is really not the way to go.

Frankly, it's come to light that one of the ex-admins screwed with the site on his way out. That was waaay out of line. Completely disproportionate. The owner may have manage the site in a way that's self-serving, but that's a judgment call. It certainly doesn't give anyone license to mess with his group.

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I have read what the ex admin and mods post here, technically he screwed himself up real nice.

It's not interfering with his group or anything but how he dragged his co admins and mods into this mess. Only they know/knew Sam's true nature that how he handles things around there! Well after hanging around in the chatroom he does have emotion issues and how he handles things (just look at the "other account" comment above), he doesn't look too rough.

For one, now everyone knows who he really is. 2, how he uses, cheat, and how he lies to his co mods and admins. 3, Look how he handle his own group user. it just dirty as S*.

I just laugh at the Breakfree's steamkey donation for 25 dollars, and 100 dollars for being an admin in hookups. on conclusion, he just desperately needs money!

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Or more like he's fallen into the liking of fast easy cash and doesn't want to let that vessel sink.

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But guys he like needs this money to like pay his rent and his two jobs totally don't cover it especially as one of them deals with death because he's such a good guy because he works with dying people omg why aren't we all paying this saints rent? ;_; Poor Scammy!

-_-

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Closed 1 decade ago by chairmankao.