[UPDATE] You guys do realize that I am just not talking about the sale, consider it the last straw. I mean butchering the trade system, region locks, rumored (further) price increases in the EU regions, atrocious customer service, laggy unresponsive client, repeatedly crashing servers, neglected faithful gaming communities (TF2) and so on. (ah also the flood of s**t called Greenlight and the Early Access model that produces 9 failures out of 10 attempts, with the "success" being a half-baked mediocre game at best)

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I am seriously thinking that Valve is starting to lose the crowd. This sale is disappointing, no event, no good games on sale, no interesting sales. It's just an ordinary boring storefront now.

I know I know they don't have to do this, they don't have to do anything but these little events and quirks were the things that really set Steam aside from the other vendors.

They also killed game trading, spat in the eyes of the TF2 community with an insult of an update (End of the Line) and they only care about milking their F2P cash-cows and not developing a game. The Steam client is still laggy and full of bugs, and their servers crash almost ever other week. I'm starting to think that they simply ran out of ideas and now they'll slowly kill over and die

Probably it is time for a new company to take their place, and do something fresh. Valve might become the next Blockbuster LLC

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Anyway I understand if you disagree, it is just an opinion, so take it easy. You think I am entitled? Well yeah I am a paying customer/consumer, of course I am entitled lol.

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Fixed that for you.

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Don't forget that Valve is for us and not the other way around. I AM entitled.

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And? They're "losing it" just because their sales don't meet expectations of certain entitled individuals?

Valve is a company interested in making money, just like every other company out there. Welcome to capitalism.

Be happy that they're not like EA, Ubisoft and Activision.

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Capitalism means that a company that cannot renew itself and please it's customers +poor customer service is destined to die. EA has superior customer support, and actually Origin is not half-as bad as the fanatic EA haters think it is.

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Well clearly Valve is doing something right because they're nowhere close to dying. On the contrary, they're the strongest in the market.

I'm not a Valve fanboy, I get annoyed by some of the things they do as well, but the amount of complaining whenever there's a sale is getting out of hand.

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Because EA is known for pleasing their customers

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But maybe, and maybe, they will give other game for Christmas xD

Just dreaming high guys. They already gave CS:GO as an apology this winter.

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People always greedy than what they want.
Will you think others will do better than steam? rofl

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Before you know it, Steam will consume the world and move onto manufacturing pharmaceuticals, biological weapons, technology & probably run for president.

In the end, You'll end up paying extra just to have peanuts & Caramel in your lunch bars because that's how they like to do it.

Déjà vu anyone? Umbrella Corp

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This rant is getting old and boring... People should learn to grow up.

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i agree in every point -.-

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I believe there's a reason as to why there's been such a "lull" in their updates. My guess is that development of the Source 2 engine is taking more manpower than they originally expected, but we won't know until Valve tells us or until North Korea hacks their servers. I know this is a foreign concept in the 21th century, but have some patience. Some big things are coming, I'm sure of it. In the meantime, maybe play some more of the 660 games you have on steam instead of wanting to purchase more.

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The Auction and gems were a part of a sale actually and it's the best thing that happened with Steam in 3 last years, I made so much money from nothing that I could actually buy everything I really want even without any main page discount.
The only real problem with Steam sales is that you always know what games would be here on main page, there are so many interesting games that don't get any attention, so I'm always asking why? Are developers don't want to or Valve couldn't make it happen? If there were, like 1-hour deals for, let's say, 10 games even with 15-20% more discount in addition to daily featured deals, it would be awesome.
Also about trading - it should have been done much earlier actually, black market isn't a thing for civilized economics.

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I'm not so sure that this sale is boring. It's just that their sales are so crazy all encompassing that pretty much everything is on sale all the time. Too much of a good thing, me thinks!

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There is the fact that there's more sizable sales this year (Halloween, fall) And I'm not upset about events as well... it's mainly those with tons of money to toss around that benefits most from them.

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This sale is pretty boring compared to past sales...

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Now that they have the market share, they can just coast.

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Or maybe we got too many games from Bundles and cheap places, that we are not interested in the actual sale.
The more games we got, the less interestedin sales and new games we are.

Have a nice day :)

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+1

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Like another said, it's due to Valve monopolizing the market, coupled with the small staff which has to manage such a huge and booming corporation.

Also, it's "keel over and die."

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Meh the sales suck but I honestly dont buy much during sales. There are a few games I might pick up, and CSGO I will pick up if it goes lower, but besides that I'm not disappointed. I dont know anything about the TF2 community but if its because of TF2 keys and trading, I think it was a stupid way to prevent scammers. Regional trading was something we all knew was going to end sooner or later.

As for blockbuster, well they got ran out by netflix I believe? Just easier to use...would need something like that to kill steam which I dont see happening...but then again if I saw it happening I'd invent it and make money off it :P

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Hahahahahahahahaha

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Yeah it is ridiculous to say that Steam will fail now, but eventually it will and apparently they are not making the right decisions to prevent it.

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Okay?

If they fail, they fail-- it's not as if anyone needs Steam. Vote with your dollar and lay off the hand-waving-flip-outerry.

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BLASPHEMY!
Valve will correct their mistakes, they will give the option to developers choose to NOT have region block! #IBELIEVE
Valve is working hard on its new engine, which will improve all their games and help a lot the modding community.
Also DotA 2.

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People moaning groaning bitching crying, don't like it? go join Console Master RACE where they all pay $60 per game

Squeakers require moar tears...

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Console Peasant Race*

+666 For Snake

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ahahahahahahahahaha

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I have to say, there has been a lot of issues with valve, and steam, but they are definitely going in the right direction. While the discovery update is slightly more confusing to navigate and harder to browse the best specials, it does allow the account to be logged in on multiple computers and game streaming through the client.

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The sale prices are still awesome, and they fathered the culture of steep discounts in the digital PC market.

They "butchered" trading and region locks as a result of scammers and loopholers, a common complaint. The waiting is annoying but not a death blow.

Steam does not set the region-dependent pricing, they merely have to obide by it.

Greenlight is totally optional, using it or partaking in any products it allows in is entirely down to you.

The TF2 community is catered for, still getting FREE holiday updates that tend to add entirely new spins on things. I mean seriously, the halloween one had fucking BUMPER CARS in it this time, on top of the new map mix-up, cosmetics, free seasonal drop, and free short comic. Yes, I hear the "End of the Line" update wasn't what people had hoped for, and admittedly I'm not up on that entire situation because I'm taking an extended break from TF2 after overplaying it, but consider that it is still a F2P game, and still frequently added to. I'm willing to bet that it's more a problem of our playerbase getting so used to having amazing updates that the first time they get hit with a dud, they think they're being personally insulted. I mean for fucks sake when Valve decided not to make a big issue out of the early idler program and instead scrubbed inventories (which at that point only had one set of alternate items and a tiny handful of hats at best), and instead gave people who didn't use it a halo, remember how people reacted to that? That's right. By banning players who used the halo on their servers, starting up blacklists, and generally being hateful little shits and throwing a gigantic collective tantrum.

Yes, the customer service needs a lot of work, however it is pretty standard fare for any company that uses an automated system as a first-line. It needs improvement, but that doesn't mean they're losing their grip. This has been a constant with them.

So to summerise : No, Valve won't keel over and die. No, Valve isn't losing it, they just might not be particularly tickling people's collective taints at this very second. I'm well aware that Valve and Steam aren't perfect angels, but they're still on the top for a reason more than just self-made financial backing.

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+2-3 infinities.

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Repost of something I posted in a thread nearly two months ago......


Anyone notice that the current situation in the gaming industry is like the Warhammer 40k Universe?

You've got Steam which is essentially the Imperium of Man where we all worship a being as a God Emperor (Gaben). It's the Client we all believe we should know and love; and to not love it is considered HERESY! Despite the fact it had flaws, a rough start and that it appears to have fallen into a state of decay (a lot of people are not happy with the direction Valve is taking with Steam) we hold onto it as our only hope since we could arguably do a lot worse.

Which brings me on to the next point, The Forces of Chaos. The Ruinous powers. Your Ubisoft and EA pretty much with their Uplay and Origin. Also can kind of include Activision in this. They offer shinny titles and try to undermine Steam at every turn with their tempting AAA games full of shine. But if you sell your soul to them you find there lies a bug riddled mess. While it may look pretty the gameplay is often shallow and repetitive and you never quite get complete satisfaction from them. Before you know it you seem to be shelling out $60 for an incomplete game each year and a further $60 of DLC. Constantly repeating a cycle for a game you thought looked good but once you play it, it appears to be a linear experience offering very little in terms of gameplay. These are as such the ways of daemons, to lie and mislead us!

Now you got Indie Developers, the Orkz. They can be a lot of fun and can be a good cheap laugh, but left unregulated they can mess everything up. Think your average Kickstarter/Early Access with good reputation. Not to be confused with the next group.

The Shovelware Developers. These guys are your Tyrannids and their only purpose is to make a buck by sucking your wallet dry. Essentially your typical Steam Greenlight Game (yes I know there are good titles but unfortunately there are far too many terrible ones). They copy/steal an idea and reproduce it cheaply to cash in on the current trend while producing a minimal viable product.

Next you got GOG which are essentially the Tau (i.e Weeaboo Communists) who offer something refreshing; DRM free games, fair regional pricing, refunds and games you actually want to buy which will often or not work on any system. They are you up and comers but since they rarely can sell those big AAA titles people turn their nose up at them.

Then you have the Eldar played by Nintendo. They seem to be either arrogant towards the current games market or ignorant of it. Either way they want to stick to their old stubborn ways and appear to be dying off (but never really fully for some reason). While they do have some good stuff people seem embarrassed to admit it.

The Dark Eldar seem to be Sony in this situation. People kind of like them and they are like that person that has those weird fetishes, willing to experiment. For that people consider them cool even if a lot of time it doesn't pay off and confuse the hell out of people why they would even consider attempting that in the first place. While in trouble overall financial they seem to be surviving from sucking the life out of Playstation.

Then you get to Microsoft who for all intended purposes are those damned Necrons! They come and screw you over, they don't die no matter how many loses they take, they just don't care! Seriously Microsoft just won't die! They seem to mess up consistently but no matter how many kicks in the teeth they get they just will not die! They do whatever they want and there really is no stopping them, so they never really care! Even their Games for Windows Live isn't really dead yet!

In the Grim Darkness of the 21st Century, there is only DRM!

Thoughts? Or am I just drunk?

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Thoughts? That was entertaining to read and I'm not even really into Warhammer~

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I agree that nintendo is stubborn in their business ways, they are also one of the most innovative and out-the-box of the 3 consoles when it comes to take a risk with new technologies for gameplay, it may or may not work but at least theyt try.
MK8, Super Smash Bros and Bayonetta 2 are really good games, among the best this year.
And even with the might failure of WiiU the company is in better situation than Sony financially, people just like to say that nintendo is dead or dying, and by the way the industry goes I just want my PC and a Nintendo console for my nostalgia series. I have no shame to say I like Nintendo! =] but I do agree they seriously must revise their business model.

As for Micro$oft, GFWL is dead is developers fault that are games still using it not M$

And sorry but I know nothing abou 40K universe =[

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I am pretty sure the prices are just set by developers. So they would have asked steam to reinforce regional pricing based on IP. This year's winter sale is so bad cause summer / thanksgiving have exactly the same discount / price drop and this year has been quite lacking in AA games especially with other companies ie: EA and ubisoft trying to market their own platform so we're seeing the samething over and over and none of the newer EA games are on steam so intead we got a whole bunch of greenlight / non-mainstream and alpha games, not too mention people's backlog. And one more thing I noticed is that some of the games on sale have been in indie bundles recently so there's really very few interests for me at the moment until the bigger mainsteam games come on sale for 75% or higher.

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This was bad year...

Can't buy anything...everything is locked, and games and ingame items...very very bad year...

I'm not even buying treasure chests in Dota because items are not tradable and marketable for 3 months after you open chest, they also pretty much removed drop system from Dota (they didn't but it's like they did, very few people get drops) , haven't got drop for 52 days.

But I'm voting with wallet, I can't buy games for EU price when my country has average salary lower than average salary in Russia...

If they wanna region lock then they should give fair price for every country according to average salaries in that country.

Hopefully if they get less sales they will change something...

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I've honestly seen a lot of really good games with really good sales (i.e. Shadow Warrior 90% off, L.A. Noire 75% off, Grim Dawn 50% off and it's Early Access and doing quite well and is amazing) that I've never seen go on sale before. I really don't understand why people get mad at Valve for some of this stuff because they honestly can't do anything about it. They don't get to just say "Hey, we want this game on sale so it's going on sale." Also, from what I've seen ... the region locking isn't all their fault. And increasing EU prices ... please. One reason Ubisoft pulled off Assassin's Creed Unity and The Crew, among other games, off the EU Steam store was because Valve refused to allow them to put them up for the price as they wouldn't allow for a price greater than 55 Euros. As for a Steam event that brought the community together, didn't they just do that team event this past Summer Sale where everyone joined a team to earn points to get free games which they clearly rigged until every team won once? Also, the monopoly thing ... I've seen and read about so many worse monopolies. AND ... Greenlight, the developers pay to get their games put on Greenlight and the USERS vote on what goes through, it's not Steam's fault if crap goes through that the Steam users voted for and I think they have do a quick review of a game before it's even allowed to go to a user vote, so imagine the crap that would go through if they didn't do that. Also, Early Access, if you don't like it don't buy it, but that in itself is a problem especially for games that rely on the funding they get from Early Access sales.

I do agree on the customer service. I got in contact with one of the main Valve staff members before I heard back from customer service.

So quit the "Steam isn't exactly what I want it to be" crap.

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You're basing this on opinions. I have bought quite many games. Don't care at all about any events, I just play games. Don't care about trading, that's really not the primary point of games. The region locks aren't a problem for people who buy their games, which is what people are supposed to do. I don't see the problem with Greenlight as it just provides people with more options and you don't have to buy the bad games you don't like. Early Access is something that I think is a poor idea though, that should just be removed.

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