Libelous comments hurt people's reputation and thus make them suffer financially, e.g. if you say that the death rate of surgeries performed by Dr Smith is 80%, you will scare away his patients and Dr Smith will earn less money. That's why libel is a crime in our society, regardless of your countries.

And when we say that next week there will be a Ubisoft Bundle or Lego Bundle, what will happen? Yes, gamers will refrain from purchasing Lego games and games made by Ubi so that they can buy them for $1 later from Humble Bundle. What if they don't show up next week? Just wait, wait and wait, until one day they eventually become Humble.

The results? Ubisoft and Warner Bros will earn less money. So saying a game will feature in Humble Bundle is NOT different from saying that it contains spyware. People will just stay away from it and the developers will suffer financially.

Do a favor to the gaming industry. Stop guessing which games will become Humble.

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Thanks for libido!

and lolno
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Lego bundle? Sweet! I was just going to buy those games, now I'll wait for the bundle. Thanks OP

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No. Terrible terrible arguments. Do a favor for game industry, stop assuming the guesses are right and waiting.

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I ll stop guessing and start the pirate life.

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YYYYEEEEAAAAHHHH!!!!

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We've got us a map! A map!

to lead us to a hidden box!

That's all locked up with locks! With locks!

and buried deep away!

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Heheh. Foxy boxes.

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I've got a jar of dirt!

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So by this logic Valve should stop doing Summer/Winter sales as people usually save up for them and dont buy shit until theyve started.

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no that is not a logical conclusion. In fact your logic is very flawed. I don't care for the OP's point, I can understand it, not sure if I agree with it, but then I don't really put too much weight in the crap people say on here.

To my point, libel is libel because it is no true. To further that point steam does not advertise their sales, and more conclusively I have never seen steam advertise "we are going to mark down ubi games 90%" if they did state that, and only then NOT mark the item down, then you could draw some parallels.

Market effects from steam sales is purely on the end consumers prognostication. Though I doubt humble bundle potential game "leaks" really have ever hurt a games sales. That would be near impossible to prove, which is the flaw in the OP's statement.

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u sey wut?

11 years ago
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In all seriousness, your comment, if taken seriously, is pretty bad.

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Do yourself a favor and stop talking shit. You don't know what you're talking about.

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Steam sales, not just Summer/Winter sales, does more "harm" than good to their creators. If I take the Tomb Raider Collection that I bought during the summer sale, at a normal price I would never have bought it, but buying it at 75% off, it's like a steal.

also these Indie bundles do more harm on their own, than speculating on what's going to be in the next one. As why buy a new indie when it comes out, because it's almost a guarantee that in a few months it'll be in a bundle, as an example look at ittle dew & Eandor, both very new games, and you get it in a bundle.

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"at a normal price i would have never bought" they're not loosing any money from you if you would have never bought it at that price. I'm sure game publishers/devs would be happy if everyone paid full price for their games, but that's just not possible. Ideally before a game is put into a $1 bundle it would have been put on sale from 25% to 75% to maximize that amount of money ppl spend on their product. I'm sure there's a lot of ppl that would have bought ittle dew and eandor at 66% or 75% if that was available before being put into a $5 bundle.

One of the problems with this is I know devs/pubs don't really have any control over the sale prices of their games on steam. at least that's what i heard. I think they should have more control.

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I bought Eador @ full price =)

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Yeah, but not really. I can see what you trying to point out here, but that's just not how the world works.

Mr. Smith earning less money, 'cause he's killing people in their sleep, and not because of "libel". Think about this regarding to games.

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except he isn't really. if its libel its false(and written rather than spoken. i learned this from spiderman). Dr Smith is actually a good doctor, but somebody is smearing him to destroy his practice

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I was just going to buy an Ubisoft game but now I'm going to wait. Thanks for the tip, OP!

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No one is saying that it will happen though, they are just speculating.

Also... Dr Smith seriously shouldn't have a license. I mean 80% death rate? yikes

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maybe he only does inoperable brainumors nobody else would ouch that have a certainty of killing you if lef alone. 20% odds would look pretty good from hat angle

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The assumption is that the statement is pure speculation with no factual basis. Dr Smith may, in fact, have a 0% death rate.

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I think it only counts if its false.

if Dr smih's deah rate is 80% hes either specialized into some very high risk last ditch fatal if not attempted anyway so wha the hell 20% is beter than 0 possibly expirimental surgeries(in which case you aren't going to scare his paitents away and people'll laugh at you for trying) or he should have his licence taken away and people deserve to be warned lol


(...or psosibly his anesesiologis ro hospotal is a faul, or supply end is using shitty drugs or tainted anibiodics or something. maybe they don't believe in bloodyping or sterilizin his tools, maybe he just calls himself "dr" and uses chinese traditional herbalism or holistics or bloodletting and perscribes bear bile or tincture of blue car for crash victims. maybe a psych phd or a nuritionalist shouldn' be removing your appendix, the whole thing should be invesigaed raelly and if true whoever said i hanked. if false then liebl charges can happen)

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Yes, truth is a defense to libel. In some jurisdictions, it is necessary to prove that what the defendant said was false in order to establish a prima facie case. I don't know why OP even bothered to spout this ignorant garbage for us to consume.

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I'm guessing either to troll, or as a weird sense of humour for the final point in the post : That they don't like people constantly guessing on the next Humble Bundle contents.

...which is admittedly a bit silly given we have no scope or gauge for what they might choose next. Then again asking us to stop that is like asking your average internet mouthbreather to stop posting just "+1" or "52 disliked becuz got keeked by chook nurrus huehuehue" or the old iTourettes favourite of "LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE"

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I don't think they were guess' as to what may be next, just what bundles what be a nice idea.

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This isn't going to end well.

11 years ago
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Honestly thought there would be a hidden giveaway in this.

Someone needs to link that not sure if serious pic, bwaha.

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Can't tell if he's trying to be an armchair lawyer, white knight, or troll...

Edit: Also, for the record, as someone who knows more than absolutely nothing about law, this is almost definitely NOT libel.

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Do white knights live in White Castle?

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I think they live in white rooks...

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only during siege. he res of the ime hey have heir own whie lands(or maybe regular lands but owe fely to he whie king?). possibly with a casle o forress of heir own bu maybe only a manor house or such

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Troll I think. He created one of these inflammatory threads last week and came off as a complete douchebag and paid the price. Honestly I think he just likes the attention and will say anything to get a reaction in the forum.

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What price did I pay?

Most people come here because they dont want to pay anything for games, which I am certain.

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What price? I would think that is obvious: people know you now. You know the saying that any publicity is good publicity? Well that doesn't seem to work here on Steamgifts. You are being your own worst enemy and threads like this aren't helping your image. People will automatically assume that anything coming from you is nonsense. Your best bet is to lay low, close this thread, and open no more. Before your other fiasco thread you were invisible. Now I can only speculate that you are on any number of blacklists and/or are tagged as a spammer or worse with SG Plus.

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So exactly what have I lost financially? Who cares if a bunch of freebie seekers think I an not the good guy?

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Apparently reputation and being taken seriously means nothing to you. Suit yourself, it's your funeral. I've been on this site long enough to see lots of guys like you come and go. You certainly aren't the first and won't be the last.

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If people don't want to spend money on games, they pirates them.

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Except that the owners of the games have to agree to their games going into discount bundles like that, so they have to be okay with it. Also, acknowledging the existence of sales, and then speculating the potential for various sales, is not libel.

If I have a discussion online with people about fast food and say "Urgh I bet that new burger that McD is bringing out will be terrible", that's not libel. Neither is "That burger is way too expensive, I bet they'll drop it in price when they realise there isn't much interest".

The common power of observation, the freedom to discuss, and the ability to hold and share an opinion, is not libel. Trying to suggest that waiting for prices to drop to a point you're more willing to purchase at is damaging the commercial industry is a bit silly isn't it?

I mean, you could just say you think the Humble Bundle guessing is a boring/tired subject and you don't like it. That would have saved you a lot of typing and pretence.

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Thanks for Humble Elder Scrolls Bundle, with the BTA one-year TES Online subscription

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oh and humble battlefield 4 and ghosts bundle is next week sale i guess. "War of the Titans" is supposed to be the title I heard...

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Hahahah, you've never actually studied tort law have you.

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Face the truth, man. Everybody held off buying Dead Space 2 last week. Why?

If I were a dev and you said that my game would feature in Humble while actually it would not, I would definitely sue you if this rumor causes any significant loss of sales.

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Oh. So... you're not a troll? And you're just a complete idiot? What, did you just take your first law class in high school and realize that you now know everything about the law?

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I am that Dr Smith, specialized in testicular cancer. I sincerely think you can use my removal service.
Believe me. You will be my 20%.

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I am sure this passes for a death threat

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Testicular threat.

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Your lawsuit would fail. The judge would laugh at you! Then he'd say, I'll wait to get your game in the humble bundle!:p

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Suing random people over internet for a "rumor" in a forum? Yes, this would certainly end well...

Everybody held off buying Dead Space 2 last week because 30€ is a frickin' huge price compared to 1$ for 5 other games... I don't even preorder new games at that price, why would I spend that for an over 2 years old game?

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Lol, look at COD games...

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You know, go to an actual lawyer or law professor and bring this question up. There'll be no better way to dispel your silly notion that speculation = defamation.

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Yes... except that they started that rumor themselves, by putting Dead Space 2 in the Steam database. That's on them, not the person bringing focus to that piece of information.

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Genius move actually. They update the Steam database to ignite the rumor that Dead Space 2 is in the bundle, then everyone quick jumps on board before the second week so they can get the bonus games but still only pay the minimum. This means more keys distributed and more people installing Origin. The worst case scenario is that a few people hold off on buying Dead Space 2 (at full price anyway) to wait and see what happens. If it's not in the bundle and they still want it after the bundle ends then they buy it. It's a win-win for EA any way you look at it.

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I can be a wikipedia-lawyer, too, and point out that due to Dead Space 2 being updated in the Steam database at the same time as the other bundle games, there was reasonable belief that it would be included in the bundle, and people were acting in good faith by speculating in order to save people money rather than hoping to stick it to EA by decreasing sales.

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Ignoring the fact that the judge would laugh at you, that two week drop in sales two and a half years after release probably halted the development of their next time.

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Now I'm sad...poor developers... =/

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Yes, indie bundles are going to ultimately destroy the industry because everyone will start waiting for bundles. This include consoles gamers who will abandon their console and build a PC.

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Origin bundle <-> Indie bundle

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awww someone learned a new word today, congrats.

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The best comment.

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+1

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Too bad he still doesn't understand what it actually means.

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"The results? Ubisoft and Warner Bros will earn less money."
Maybe that's the evil plan?

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Closed 11 years ago by wongheungwing.