Hi SteamGifts users, I have looked everywhere for a solution to this, but noone EVER has an answer, so I came here to ask.

My Specs are:
GTX 660 Ti,
Athlon II x4 640 @ 3.0 GHz (It is a quad core btw),
4 GBS DDR3 RAM,
Windows 7 64 Bit,
1 TB Hard Drive,
600 Watt PSU,
Native res: 1600x900

EDIT: My computer is actually this, but I use the 660 Ti instead of the integrated card, and I replaced the power supply with a 600 Watt one. http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&docname=c02628380

I know my ram isn't the BEST, nor my processor, but come on. I run Borderlands 2 usually 45 fps, although I can sometimes go to 10 FPS with physx on high, and even sometimes on low. I run Rise of the Triad at friggin 30 fps constantly, and will almost ALWAYS drop down to 15. I run TF2 at like 70 fps (which is very much playable, but it SHOULD run higher than that). Painkiller HD runs at 50 usually but can drop down to 25. Why am I getting such crap performance for these games? I have up to date, NON BETA drivers, I also don't have any AMD drivers from another card or anything., I also have up to date BIOS.

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Those are pretty badly optimized games tbh, I've heard that about Rise of the Triad. Dunno about the rest of them.

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ROTT has been fixed, noone has optimization problems anymore. TF2 isn't badly optimized, and most people with 660 Ti's should be able to run BL2 at 65+ fps with PhysX on high.

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confirmed... msi 660 Ti twin frozr PE,
Bl2 on ultra with physx on at 1080p is 60-70fps for me

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my 560ti has no problem with TF2 ...

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My intel HD 3000 has no problem with TF2...

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My integrated video card has no problem with TF2...

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My radeon 9600 has problems with Tf2 (lol)

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My Asus 8500GT has no problem with TF2...

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My Radeon 5470 mobility has no problem with TF2 even with a dual-core Intel CPU

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My Quad SLI Titans have problems with TF2 on minimum...

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My old Asus P4B , Nvidia 5200FX 256mb has no problem with TF2...

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That's what I had before I rebuilt!

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Get more RAM. Format and clean that PC.

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Ram, as of now, shouldn't make a difference, as that my RAM usage is never higher than 3 out of 4 gigs, and the games I play, their recommended is 4 gbs ram.

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sounds like an issue where your 660 TI clock speed don't go at full. I'm hearing this issue a lot.

Can you check your gpu clock while playing games? Example software: MSI afterburner

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Is that an issue with this specific card, or does it just randomly happen or something like that? Cause I've been thinking of getting a 660 TI in the near future.

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I don't think so... doesn't seem like it... although I did win it in a 2K giveaway for ahem BORDERLANDS 2.
Also, I will post my clock speed once it downloads.

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It happens with some cards with nvidia

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Okay, thanks for the info!

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GPU-Z

I had issue with my brand new 770, bad beta drivers. Try some other drivers maybe?

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GPU-Z says my normal clock is 915 MHz, and when I am in Borderlands 2 (PhysX High) in a firefight, my GPU Core Clock is about 914.5 most of the time, but VERY RARELY go up to 1110.5 MHz. My GPU Memory Clock when in a firefight is 1502.3 MHz. Do I need to use Afterburner to overclock one of them or both, and by how much if I do?

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Umm, Can you use MSI Afterburner so it shows usage % ?

Let's talk overclocking later, let's diagnose first what's making your games fps very low. Because those are not normal to me.

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30 on MSI afterburner is the HIGHEST. (Max: 60)

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30% ? HOLY FUCK. CPU bottleneck man.

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Well it reaches 30 for like half a second then goes back down to like 9 or lower, then goes back up after about 10-5 seconds. So what does this mean? What do I need to do?

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wowza, it means that you are not using the full capabilities of your GPU. Your GPU Drivers are fine, it just means that your CPU is bottlenecking

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So I should overclock my CPU? Cause I have NO IDEA how to do that. Or does it mean I need to make the GPU overclocked. I'm fairly new when it comes to overclocking.

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Either:

Get a new CPU or Overclock your CPU (Which will only bring a minimal performance boost, around 5-10 fps est. in your case).

Try downloading "AMD Overdrive" If you want to overclock your CPU. It's a good starting software to Overclock your CPU.
Also download the software called "prime95" to test your CPU overclock stability

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yeah amd and nvidia down't really work perfectly with each other. You are using a competing manufacture (Nvidia) with your CPU (AMD)

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Thats not really true. At least it shouldnt have this much of a problem.

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That is not true

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yes it is the features for the 660's mak, or were made to utilize thunderbolt tech. AMD and Nivida are in direct competition with each other. Yes Amd cards do better with AMD CPUs and Intel and Nvida do perform better look at the Toms Hardware specs to get the full details. .

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What...thunderbolt has nothing to do with any of this. CPUs and GPUs are completely different architectures. AMD's CPU division is in no way competing with Nvidia. They're not taking up die space just to add hardware to detect an Nvidia GPU and limit its performance...that's pretty counterproductive to selling their products.

Link on that article? Obviously any card with a decent Intel CPU will outperform one running with an AMD simply because of IPC. How would you even begin to compare performance across platforms like this?

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Based on my experience with a 635, the CPU just below Retro123's, AMD Overdrive doesn't even launch. It only wants to overclock using multipliers, which is impossible without a Black Edition CPU.

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lol you are right you just saved that man a fried cpu. . . Also any CPU lower doesn't utilize the 660 ti's usage od the cpu graphics capability to optimize itself plus none of the mobo's for that generation use the 5X tech. Time for a new mobo and CPu.

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If he's got an AM3+ mobo, he might only have to buy a new CPU. If not, he may as well go Intel.

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it is the case he's using a 2nd to new gen card in a 5 year old + mobo. The core of this issue is the Pci-e slot nothing else I think that is the core right now. Without the PCI-e 2+ he cannout use any of the features of the 660 Ti. . . on the plus side for 200 bucks he gets a CPU and an msi MOBO he is set. Cicky or

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Wait, when did he mention his motherboard specs?

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no but I have a large feeling that is the core issue. . there is a large oversight if the MOBO was updated or not.

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Aside from the socket, the motherboard shouldn't cause this kind of problem. If you're referring to the PCI-E slot, he shouldn't notice a difference between 3.0, 2.0, and even 1.0 ( PCI-E 1.0 x16 is the equivalent of PCI-E 2.0 x8, which shouldn't bottleneck most cards).

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no the bios needs to be updated for Nivida's hardware, to run properly, the 600 series uses the cpu to amplify the hardware. A simple Bios update should make the sytem run a bit better.

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My computer is actually this, but I use the 660 Ti instead of the crappy integrated one, and I replaced the power supply with a 600 Watt one.
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&docname=c02628380

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kk upgrade your bios. . . It made the 660 ti work in mine. You have the same system I had.

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Alright, how/where do I go to upgrade my bios?
EDIT: Also, my motherboard is a FOXCONN 2AB1, and my bios are American Megatrends Inc. Version 6.04
Date: 9/7/2010 (I guess that means i need an update :P

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Wait, so I can't use OverDrive?

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Nope, you have to go into your motherboard's BIOS to overclock anything. In case you didn't notice yet, schalart posted the download link for updating that down below.

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Well we should also know CPU usage to make this kind of a statement maybe something else is wrong.

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100% almost all the time.

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Your pc isn't bad at all.

Just a few ideas:

1) Check cpu clock/temp, maybe it's overheating? Maybe it's downclocked for some reason?

2)Check your GPU clock/temp

3) Format, you have no idea how many problems this solve ;)

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Could you please check the specs on your PSU as well?

How do games behave with PhysX set to off?

How old is your Win installation and how much HW have you changed in the meantime?

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My psu is 600 watts. Games with PhysX off run better than with it on, especially BL2, but I SHOULD be able to run it with it on. My computer was originally a prebuilt, so my windows 7 64 bit came with it, but I replaced all the parts in it about a year after I bought it.

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you need a bigger PSU I have about the same specs but a 650TI and 700W PSU also depends on the brand of your GFX card as well as they all have different specs. The one I have of ASUS recommended 650W PSU. I'm running those games stable at max settings with 50-60 FPS

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That's complete nonsense, depending on the PSU (should be at least 80 Plus certified) even 400-480W would be more than enough for his system. Modern PSUs are very efficient.

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not with a 660 ti. . . you need at least a good 600 + PSU. . . They say 550 but that is crazy.

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That's just not true. If NVIDIA says 550W, than they say that because they have the crappy cheap PSUs for $30 with "550W" in mind. Way more important than the "550W" is the combined power on the 12V anyway.

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i'm sorry but that's utter bullshit, 600W is perfectly fine.

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600+ means 600 or larger. . .I'm saying going lower then 500 is just. . . foolish. . . It could work but if you add anything to your system down the line you are boned. For the +10 dollar price better safe then sorry. there is no BS with what I said.

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Do you know how much his total system power draw is? Hint: its around 300W

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he has a 600w power-supply anyway >< non-issue till he upgrades his mobo then his will be at 550 like mine. well 543 to be exact. I did the same thing he did a year and a half ago I really do know what I'm talking about, though I had an X8 that I gave to Yatterman.

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As long as the PSU is running normally, 600W are perfectly fine. (A system with your card in it should peak at about 320W, putting you around the optimal 50% load.)
Low power or a malfunction can lead to the behavior you described, but I don't think it's your case.

I agree on the fact that you should be able to run games smoothly with PhysX ON. I asked about it to know if turning it to off would make the problem go away completely (it would have pointed to a driver problem of some sort).

I think your culprit is the old installation. Since you tell me that you replaced all the HW (without reinstalling, I take), I think it's your best shot to format and start again: it could be a case of really messy registry, with a pinch of drivers conflict. :)

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That could be a factor, but I know for a fact that a 640 will heavily bottleneck a 660 Ti, so he'd still have the same problem after a reinstall.

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The 640 will bottleneck the GPU in more demanding games (100% garantueed), but OP is talking about TF2 and BL2 at 1600x900. They run well at 1440x900 on my Core2Duo E7300 with a HD6850 and 2GB of RAM.
His case is not just about bottleneck, there something going wrong underneath.

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Format, if you can't, remove all you drivers e reinstall them.
Complete virus/malware scan.
Check Bios setting (clocks, etc).
See if during gaming your CPU reaches 100% and your GPU is not at 90-100% (this is to see if you CPU is a bottleneck).

4gb RAM is still enough to play.

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OC that cpu, it's pretty weak.

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Not weak for the games I play. I'm playing games like TF2, BL2, and some games that came out as far back as 2006 that have problems.

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How about you try it.

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I'd rather see if it is a card problem first, because most people seem to have more problems with that than the CPU.

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OP being stubborn, awesome you ask for help and this guy is right your CPU is weak and you should upgrade it or it will bottleneck your card.

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it isn't an msi one or asus. . . if you got a budget 660 tiI think you get boned. My Msi Oc is and has been boss. The other factor is the motherboard. What one is it? You may have to get the new bios for it the work with 660+

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I had a 635 up until a week ago, and that's only slightly less powerful than the 640.

With a 7950, Battlefield 3 ran at 40-50 fps, with the GPU maxing out at 62% usage while in a jet above Wake Island. In War Thunder, the GPU usage was stuck at 35%. In both cases, changing the graphics options didn't change the FPS whatsoever.

Long story short: You've got a CPU bottleneck. If you don't believe me, try changing the graphics settings in the games that you're having problems with. I can pretty much guarantee that your FPS won't change at all :P

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This is true. So do I overclock CPU or something? And how?

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if you have to ask don't you may fry it if you don't have a good fan. Exp if you don't have a liquid cooler.

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You won't be able to push the cpu any farther with water cooling than with good fan cooling. Only stock heat sinks/fans might be an issue.

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Since the 640 has a locked multiplier, I don't know much about overclocking it. However, it seems like this article could be extremely useful. Also, like schalart said, you want to be careful about temps. Get HWMonitor and make sure that under load ( Prime95 might be useful for maxing out the usage ) the processor stays at a reasonable heat level.

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+200 . . also update your bios. . should help more-so. . . update your motherboard Bios before you do anything.

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I will recommend to buy R9 280X probably the best what you can have for that money! :D

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It definitely a good card, but it's not that much better than a 660 Ti. It's definitely not worth spending $300 on in this case, regardless of how good it is for a new build.

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7970 ghz is cheaper now and they are exactly the same card.

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his card is probably the best part of his PC... this is an useless suggestion. He should upgrade his CPU, even if he buys himself a GTX Titan the games will run like crap.

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What that processor, this would be a terrible investment

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If you min. ingame settings then max. and performance doesn't change - it's cpu.

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The CPU is heavily bottlenecking the GPU. You need to upgrade the processor to at least a Phenom II X4 to processor to fix the issue. However, I'd recommend at least an AMD FX-8350 or Intel i5 4430 to future-proof yourself.

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CPU is weak. Get new CPU and performance will increase. It's bottlenecking your system right now.

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OP, here's what I want you to do.

  1. Download CPU-Z and find your motherboard model, then look up whether that board has an AM3 or AM3+ socket.
  2. If it's AM3+, go out and buy an FX-8350. It'll fix all of your problems.
  3. If it's AM3, you can buy a new motherboard and CPU (i5 3570k or 4670K), and that'll also fix all of your problems.
  4. Whether you have an AM3 or an AM3+ board, if you really don't want to buy any new hardware, do what I said in my other post (41 minutes ago).
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yeah. I had the same Cpu before I built this system I had the first 660 Ti OE off the line. . . Really AMD's AM3 cannot gain anything from the 660's

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I'm planning to get 8350 :D

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They're really nice. They have mildly worse per-core performance than Intel processors, but they get about the same performance in current gen games, and should get even better as games start to utilize more cores (both Watch Dogs and Battlefield 4 are capable of using 8 cores).

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Get a new CPU, get more RAM (no rush for that one), and you'll notice the difference.

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for Bios upgrade click

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and read this too too many people saying what I'm saying is BS

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I don't actually see what you're talking about in that thread...

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just that the 660 ti doesn't perform it's full potential in his MOBO. Oddly they say the 650 does? kinda odd.

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Assuming that his mobo is actually PCI-e 1.0/1.1, which one person claims is wrong, there won't be any noticeable decrease in performance with that vs 2.0 or 3.0.

Each generation of PCI-e doubles the bandwidth, but most cards today don't even use enough bandwidth to max out the first generation of slots.

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PCIe v2. but that specific mobo will not give the 660+ series it's validation. The manufacturer ditched on on updates in 2011 and the MOBO is poorly optimized. I bet his CPU bottleneck with the old video card.

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I don't know much about that sort of thing, so I'm gonna assume that you're right about the validation thing. However, everything points to the fact that his CPU is causing the problem, and upgrading it (which would require a mobo upgrade anyway) would solve that problem.

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yup. I had the same issue before. Sadly you really do need an Intel i5 with Thunderbolt to get the full effect from the 660 + series. I know I got the Msi OE ed with the MSI G series MOBO. Sadly mos people overlook the importance of a good mobo to back a good CPU/video card. Also HP suuuucks for MOBOs. ALso when i5k or i7k+ always get liquid cooling it saves money and allows for crazy OC. I'm running at 5.1 right now and have a constant temp of 23oc with my antec H90

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Btw, they mean that the 650 is less expensive, but ( because of his CPU bottleneck ) equally as powerful as the 660 Ti.

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in that MOBO yes. Because as I've said before the MOBO cannot do the GPU to CPU communication the lower bottle-necking and null most latency. Wheras the 550 is self utilizing. That is probably the biggest issue the bottleneck. .

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Well... I updated the BIOS. I got a VERY VERY TINY increase in performance. Although, how do I overclock this processor in the BIOS, and by how much?
Also, for anyone who doesn't know, my computer is this: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?cc=us&lc=en&docname=c02628380
Except with a 660 Ti and a 600 Watt Power Supply.

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you wont get much more. . honestly.

edit like the guy from tom's hardware said you aren't going to get anything from a 660 ti. Your CPu cannot handle the demand it puts on it.

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You won't be able to overclock from bios in a prebuilt system. They don't give you any of the options for frequency or voltage control that are needed.

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Get an extra 4 gigs of ram at the least and get a SSD drive. Some games just play smoother on an SSD.

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What? SSDs don't increase game performance.

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yeah and not with that CPu and MOBO. I don't even think it has SATA 3.
edit: nope it doesn't so he cannot use a SSD.

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SATA3 SSDs are backwards combatible with SATA/SATA2, you just don't initialize the full potential of the disk but it's still a huge difference than a regular HDD.

On the other hand the SDD won't make a difference other than faster loading times except for some games that load data on the fly (usually MMORPGs like WOW)

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I feel you require a lesson on SSD's...

A solid state drive replaces the common hard disc drive's spindle in a vacuum sealed container with thousands of serial bus connections, therefore it does not follow the common format of storing information on "segments" or "sectors" of a hard drive (which are what make up the HDD).

In a HDD, these sectors can contain a set amount of information, for example, each sector could hold 126MB and there could be 2000 sectors. each sector can only contain information from a single file, therefore a file of size 1kb would take up a whole 126MB sector (this is why when you go to right-click properties it has two file sizes, the theoretical size and the "size on disc" or actual storage requirements). If a program uses a large amount of separate files, the game will be slow to load as it has to draw information from more sectors. This is also determined by the rpm (revolutions per minute) of the drive. a lower rpm drive will find each individual sector at a slower rate, therefore a 5400rpm drive with larger sectors is slower than a 7200rpm drive with smaller sectors, even though, smaller sectors would increase the amount of time it takes to load due to having to load more sectors, (therefore, more processing power from the CPU is used).

however, due to the SSD's serial BUS system (similar to a USB device however with more connection), it does not have the restriction of setting data to specific sectors, therefore it is able to load it all from essentially 1 sector and does not have to look to find out in which sector the information is kept in (this is also why you do not have to defragment a solid state drive as the defragmentation process is simply moving sectors to more convenient locations to draw information for use, therefore increasing the performance).

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That's all very nice but the FPS stay roughly the same.

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not true, on most machines that will be the case but that is only because something is holding back the performance (e.g. a graphics card below the GTX500 series + quad-core 3.0GHz processor or lower).

however, on newer machines, the performance is held back by the hard drive's inability to find the correct files for use in time. (which is why if you have a large amount of RAM to store it in and frequent restart your pc, you will never notice as it will all be stored on that instead of searching the HDD every time. For anyone who leaves their pc on for days at a time like me, you will notice the performance drops the more programs get stored on the RAM as it can no longer store the files temporarily there due to no more temporary space to place it there and it won't over-write until you restart the computer.

One fairly major case that you will be able to notice is if you were to use the Unreal Development Kit whilst using screen-capturing software, due to the developmental state of UDK it fills your RAM very quickly with constant build saves (you can use 16GB in about 7 hours). after that point, it will read it off sectors on your hard drive, which as stated before, will cause it to slow down as it has to search for individual sectors constantly which is why it is recommended you buy specific hardware for games development as it increases the amount of temporary storage you have, or to just use SSD devices as they use serial as well rather than sector mapping (it is also a better security design as sectors will hold information even after you delete it. It will hold that information until something overwrites it, therefore it can be retrieved by special software).

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I can see the logic behind what you're saying, with an SSD being a bit less taxing on the CPU than an HDD, but that doesn't change the fact that money spent on an SSD could also go towards a processor, which would be affected less by having to decide which sectors to load.

Besides, I can't imagine that the process of loading extra sectors would noticeably decrease framerate, especially if you have enough RAM and VRAM that you don't have to load the game directly from system storage.

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I agree with what you are saying, however, the point i was making is that having an SSD does improve performance, not what is better to buy.

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Fair enough.

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Jesus Christ that's a weak CPU man, what did you expect?

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I guess I'm not up with the times on what is considered a powerful CPU... anything I can do about it besides buying a new one?

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Overclock? But honestly the motherboard in those hp machines is usually terrible so I don't recommend it.

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You can try overclocking it, but it won't make that much of a difference. Until you can get a new one, you'll just have to deal with the bad FPS or play older/indie games. That's why CPU bottlenecks are so much worse than GPU bottlenecks : /

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there is no way he can OC that CPU without getting an liquid cooler and manually doing it. I've looked it up and I wouldn't do it even with my OC know-how. Ocing old CPu's is a hard thing to do. My MSi has a button to push. My old one I had to many different things.

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Honestly I've been reading your posts here and they are pretty much hit and miss.
Liquid cooler? really? OCing is a s easy as changing some values in the bios and unless you're not doing anything extreme, air cooling would be just fine. The problem is that his OEM motherboard migh have a shit VRM and OCing is way too risky.

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meh I don't know anyone foolish enough to use a stock fan when doing an OC. For the price of a fully contained liquid cooler You'd be a fool not to get one. You don't need a crazy custom liquid cooling system. BUT you DO need to take care for making sure you have good thermal paste and a good cooling system. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't know what they are speaking of. Also this guy didn't know how to look-up for his base bios drivers. The new CPUs and MOBOs have an easy OC system anything before 2010 didn't take OC into their features unless getting a custom MOBO. ALSO this is an HP setup there is no way you can OC with setup without much effort. I had an HP system that I had to put into a new tower just to get it from over heating. . . this very same model though I had a different MOBO. There is only 2 vent fans in this system and on top of that he has to do lots of BIOS work. I've been goggling everything he has posted.
edit: OCing this system as a suggestion is 100% a BAD idea all around.
EDIt 2 : No offence to OP just you really need to know what you are doing when OCing an Old CPU.

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Even if his board did have auto OC, it wouldn't do anything with a 640, since the multiplier's locked.

Also, liquid cooling is really nice (impressive OC, btw), but a decent air cooler is generally enough for a simple overclock.

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his board doesn't he had a MOBO made before manufactures made any type of support for OCers his Original bios is from 2010. . . the last update was Sept 2011. Also yeah Ocing this won't do anything to help.

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the multiplier can't be increased but the bus speed isn't locked.

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Unless I'm misinformed, which I may be, most Auto OC systems avoid messing with bus speeds.

Edit: I don't mean that a 640 can't be overclocked :P

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I've been overclocking for many years and most what you just said doesn't make sense to me.
Liquid cooling is reserved for extreme overclocking and it's also expensive. You can OC with stock coolers if you are careful. You can get good speeds with something like a 212 evo if you are on a budget. The stuff about mobos doesn't sound true but then again I never had an OEM mobo so it might as well be true for those. As far as I can remember though overclocking was as easy as changing some values and multipliers in the BIOS settings.

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KK let him accidentally fry his CPU he does need a new one anyway.he had to set the right pins FYI

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Overclock? But honestly the motherboard in those hp machines is usually terrible so I don't recommend it.
-Me, 27 minutes ago

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:)

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Heh, for about a year and a half I was using a 635, and up until a few weeks ago, it was running at 80-90C under full load, which forced it to throttle itself. Fun times... I've got an 8350 now.

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High temps are usually a problem from the user's side not the hardware itself.

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Yeah, I worded that kind of badly. I bought the 8350 a week ago, whereas I found and fixed the temp problem about a month ago. It maxed out at about 52-54C after I reapplied the thermal paste and fixed my cable management.

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you took an moped, slapped an 70cc cylinder on it and expect it to run 150+?

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Alright, so
I went on PC part picker and I threw something together that I want to hear your opinions on.
( I DID NOT INCLUDE POWER SUPPLY OR CARD BECAUSE I ALREADY HAVE THE 660 TI AND A 600 WATT )
I also threw in a mouse (I need a new one)
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Wwyb

EDIT: It has to be under 660 dollars.

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watch out with too much ram speed if you're building an AMD CPU, I'm not very updated but I think the max with AMD is 1866

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Alright then. UPDATE: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Wwyb

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(i presume your building an gaming pc) swap the cpu for an i5-4670k and the mobo to any z87 board (theres an z87 version of the extreme4). memory and the hdd are fine but i would recommend an blue ray or at least dual layer drive.

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I need to it be under 660 dollars.

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Looks pretty good. My thoughts:

  • If you're looking to save some money, you can also go for a CoolerMaster HAF or a Corsair 200r.
  • I'd say that you should spend the extra $10 and go for the Hyper 212 EVO.
  • If you're getting an 8350, you should probably go for a 990FX board, rather than a 970. This one looks pretty nice, although it's definitely not your only option.
  • Don't you already have Win7, a HDD, and a DVD Drive?
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Here's my modified version. Even with a mouse, you're still well under $660.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1WwTt

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I have a modified prebuilt, so Win 7 came with my hard drive, not as a disc, but preinstalled.

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Do you think that it'd be possible to transfer that old hard drive to the new system?

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Try something like this instead

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1Wx0d

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8 CAS Latency for $55. Not bad.

OP would probably be much better off with a higher quality motherboard. It doesn't have to be a $200 RoG mobo or anything, but it should at least have good VRM cooling and 2 PCI-e slots.

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how about this? you have the rest of the parts and it makes the most of everything click
edit: and you can get 16 gig of ram for 70 bucks. . . and add win 7 and still be under 600

Edit this one is better

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That's a pretty nice mobo.

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Athlon II CPU's suck, they have no L3 cache and it affects gaming. Even Phenom II's are considered bad nowadays anyway. I'd just leave AMD and get myself an i5 and a decent mobo if I were you.

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cpu is letting you down, bottle necking that gpu

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Overclock it.

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Upgrade your RAM to 8 GB 1600 Mhz at least!

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Be careful with upgrading RAM at odd intervals. You want to make sure that you're keeping whatever channeling system your motherboard supports (most use dual channels), so that the RAM sticks can work together. Otherwise, they'll perform much worse than they should.

Unless his mobo uses single channels, an upgrade from 4 to 8 should only be done using a 2x2GB kit, which is just plain silly. So, funnily enough, he'd be much better off going from 4 to 12 than 4 to 8, even if he never uses that much.

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Just by reading the OP, it's clear that the CPU is the weakest link. You GPU is great; could use more RAM but it's not a problem now. I'm using 560 TI, 6GB RAM, and an i7-940 CPU and can comfortably max out all of the current games, so your GPU is definitely not a problem (unless there is something wrong with your particular card, of course).

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