It is not because of the refunds. I don't care about cards much (not a trader or anything) and 2 hours (sometimes more, sometimes less) is about how long it has always taken for me to get a card from a game.

Result is me having 5-6 hours played on shitty games

Fix : don't buy shitty games

Hours in games don't really mean anything. I don't see the problem. :s

Yeah, that 2 hour window you can't drop cards anymore on any game is complete bullshit. We can't refund bundle games anyway, why can't we start getting cards instantly? I can understand for games bought on steam that are eligible for a refund, but for someone buying bundles, those games represent between 1/10 and 1/100 of their game library.

while dropping cards and selling them means $$$ for steam, buying games and selling cards means more $$$. considering many people buy games just for their card drops, it's not really good idea for steam to accept refunds for those games. so they'll either terminate the refund program or make drop rates longer. i don't know about you but i liked the refund system. devs started to actually work on their games already instead of saying "tough luck bruh." (see: batman arkham knight).

I think card-drops should be adjusted game per game, some small adventures are done in 2 hours, other games need much more time...and it's ridiculous that a regular player has to keep open his game, to get all the cards.
But ok...it´s not about collecting, it´s all about trading, steam and the publisher like sucking the blood. Many users also just idling the games....and I am guilty, did it also sometimes.....but maybe.....maybe.....steam without card-"selling" (edit) would be the better steam ;-) ready for heresy-answers

It's an understandable change. I guess they simply don't want their support to have to waste a lot of time trying to figure out if people are trying to abuse the system by card farming and then asking for refunds. And on the plus side, with fewer casual card farmers, cards might actually go up a little bit in value.

I totally agree with this practice. However, I actually do wanna some some jerk record how he idles for cards without actually playing the game [just use a program that pretends to run the game exe like SAM or IM] and then sue valve when they refuse to refund it (he got proof that he never was testing it for 2 hours). Just for the lulz :D

Yeah it's really slowing down last week but since yesterday my Idle Master is working again !
Really happy !

valve could easiliy do this

if ( game_is_from steam_store && game_purchase_date+14days > today ) {
drop first card after 2h of playtime
} else {
drop first card after x min (set by developer) of playtime (like it was before)
}

but I guess that was too much to ask for.

pity I will no longer get cards for shitty games as I wont play shit for longer than 1h, really.

idelmaster is not an option for me, I rather use my spare time playing something I like, idling shit for 4h is just a waste of electricity...

edit: but I agree with the refund policy. nothing wrong with refunds

Got 1 card after 3 hours of gameplay in Batman Arkham City, so yeah, it is becouse of the refound (2 hour refound limit + apox. 1 hour of gameplay for a card)

It's pretty boring for me to idle my few games with Idlemaster atm, I see.

But whatever, the fact to idle games just to sell the cards and refund should never have been a thing.
Steam should add an option to mark if you are sure you won't to refund certain games and make those games available for fast drops. Of course the option couldn't be unmarked. That would actually be a solution, but hackers would find the way to uncheck somehow and spread the word.

37 people don't agree with being able to get refunds? WTF?!?!

If you don't want to use idle-master then install the game -> Run -> Minimize -> Go watch a movie.

Refunds > cards.

Cards are nice but we just have to deal with it, having option to refund and stopping abuse is more important, idle when you go to sleep and just accept this new way of getting cards.

Back then.... in the old days.... 1950... everything was better back then.

I've been idling Rise of Nations for 5 hours now and I've got only 1 card drop. What the hell?

I've noticed that, recently I've been idling cards and the drop rate is definitely longer.

Cards are good, I've sold all my cards recently and I've racked up $100+ so far, And hundreds are not sold yet.

Couldn't just the cards drop like normal and stay untradable/unmarketable, and made tradable/marketable when the playtime goes over 2 hours or the date of purchase gets over 2 weeks old.

758 cards to drop.
202 games left to idle.

GG WP.

+1 for refunds.

Already used it once and works perfectly, great addition to Steam experience.

Hmmmm....
Last 2 nights I've used Idlemaster to farm cards. But the final cards dont seem to drop.
Alarameth TD: Played 8.1h, 3 cards dropped 1 drop remaining
Batman Arkham Knight: Played 8h, 3 cards dropped 1 drop remaining

Thats not right is it?

I honestly have no plans to ever use the refund system, so it isn't fun having to wait 2 hours for all these different games I am buying each week. Kind of feels wrong to get punished for something that others were exploiting. I did a post about ways to fix it, but I would never hold my breath on Steam doing something to help customers.

I have gotten to the point where I idle all my new card drop games at once, to just before 2 hours, and then I switch over to regular card collection. It isn't end of the world bad unless a game has those card drops that take like 1-2 hours. Then It just adds up to way too much time.

If they had a turn off refunds and get regular card drops option, I would so use it. They could still allow price adjustments, if they ever built in a way to do just those. I would have no problem forfeiting refund rights.