Hello dear Steamgifters,

Recently, among many other great posts out there, including some of my favourites such puzzles or just interesting discussions, I've seen an increase in the amount of different experiments people try out. For example, someone did a public giveaway for 'Portal of Evil' if I'm not mistaken, and linked an invite only giveaway in the description. Showed some stats, discussed how steamgifters don't read descriptions etc. That gave me the idea to do my own experiment, because why the heck not. I mean, all those keys stacking up in my Humble library have to go somewhere, right? (and no, I'm not doing puzzles. I suck at making puzzles, I tried. :3) Anyway, in that thread I argued that the quality of the giveaway was the key determinant as to why people don't read descriptions. Was I wrong? Maybe.

I followed the idea, and created one public giveaway and one private giveaway. However, the only difference is that I made giveaways for two different games, so that may result in inaccurate data. Anyway, through my extremely detailed and well thought experiment (totally not a rip off, I promise), I came up with the following results.

For the public giveaway, I used Saints Row 2 (previously bundled)
1,017 entries, 35 comments. (1 is mine).

For the private giveaway, I used Risen (previously bundled)
21 entries, 21 comments. (3 or 4 of them are mine).

Conclusion? Out of 33 unique users that posted on the public giveaway, only about 17 or 18 went through to post in the private giveaway, either because they decided to skip it, or simply because they didn't read the description. Again, the quality of the giveaway may have impacted the likeliness of people reading the description. Until I do a Witcher 3 giveaway, I will never now.

Long story short: I did a social experiment, result are just as expected. Enough said.

What's your two cents on this?
Sorry, couldn't help it. Shit posting at its best.

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7 years ago

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Do you think social experiments should become something regular on Steamgifts?

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What the f*ck is a social experiment?!
Potato

I like social experiments, but since this is the third time I see this one, I voted no. :3

7 years ago
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Heh, I'll be making a thread in a few days about an experiment I did previously. Didn't expect these to become a thing before that so people probably won't be too excited to see me adding one more. Well, at least it wasn't the same experiment as done here so maybe someone will be still interested in it.

7 years ago
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Man, we are social experiment comrades. OF COURSE I'M EXCITED.

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7 years ago
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Great! You just gotta wait a few more days for it.

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If you want an experiment like that to prove anything you have to do it multiple times with varying games. Right now all you could be proving is that 50% of the people who own saints row 2 and who comment also own risen and that the 1000 whatever entries all mostly own an older semi cheap bundle game as well
not trying to hate on your research, just pointing this out. Social experiments are always fun

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That's true, hency why I said the data may be inaccurate. I might become a social experiment regular.
Oh, also... I'm not trying to prove anything, it's all for fun really. :D

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7 years ago
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Ffs, it's steamgifts here, guys. xD What's next? The Stanford prison experiment? :P

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It already kind of is, isn't it? People were given the opportunity to blacklist someone. Some power. And you could see that some people just started abusing it.
SG = Stanford Prison Experiment
CONFIRMED!

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+1 lol

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So, I guess it's all bots? Or just ones that zombie trough all giveaways?

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Yup, we're doomed.

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I prefer experiments that end in fire and/or explosion.

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To really make the experiment objective, you should use two copies of the exact same game. This ensures that each 'test subject' has the possibility to enter both, or at the very least, if he has the points to enter only one of them, there is no point to choose the public over the private one. Thus, your results will be pure.

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The experiment was more aimed towards actually commenting in the giveaway, rather than entering. (hence why I compared number of comments and not number of entries).
But yeah, I agree. I did say results will probably be inaccurate because of the different games, so might have to give it a go another time with 2 copies of the same game.

7 years ago
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Already done. :)

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You could also try just asking people to comment on the linked GA even if they don't want to enter as part of the experiment. I don't think that will do much to negatively affect the results since the goal is to find out how many people don't read the descriptions and those people won't read anything posted there anyway. I'm not sure how much it would help in getting more accurate results either given how many uncontrollable variables are involved here and it's pretty likely that at least some people who read the description won't comment anyway.

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On the topic of reading descriptions, read this one

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Hahahaha! I didn't follow the links as I'm currently using my phone which has apparently become self-aware and protests if I jump between pages too often (I think it's in its teenage rebellion phase). I'm just going to hope that most people either didn't read/listen otherwise the robot script army is far more powerful than I thought.

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No worries, hahaha. I definitely feel you on that, whenever I go on steamgifts on my phone, browsing discussions and opening links can be a bit of a struggle. And yeah, bot army is strong.

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I did the same thing 3 years ago. Although I did it slightly different. I had mine in giant bold text.

Although it's been so long I don't know if I would get the same result if I did it today.

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There is no need to prove that people are lazy, this should be an obvious fact for everyone.

There is also no need to prove that majority doesn't read. If people are lazy, they don't read either.

The sooner everybody accepts the fact that public giveaways are mostly won my rule-breakers, lazy people and leechers, the better. If you want to reward people that pay at least a little attention - you create a thread, and if you want to reward for effort, you make a puzzle, or even a jigsaw if you have no idea for actual puzzle.

Ah, and there is also 4th variant, the one I like the most - you can just give games to people you like, either through a whitelist or a group.

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I mean, giving games to touhous is so overrated, amirite?
Hopefully I'll get my hands on something nice in the summer sale to give. :D

7 years ago
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I often enough think that cg is already doing a social experiment, in form of this project. I'm pretty sure that you'd be able to gain some very interesting and valuable data, for many disciplines of study.

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Be prepared for my own social experiment very soon. Had an idea for some weeks now but wanted to wait for the summer sale ;)
It's not to proove that people are lazy (what Archi thinks these are for), it's to add more people to my blacklist muhahaa..
Jokes aside, I'm curious about how it stands with the logic of people. It's not about being lazy to not follow simple rules..

7 years ago
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In real and online life I hate social experiment ideas. But in steamgifts I like them :3 bring more of them and one step at a time and we will get to Stanford experiment.

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Um... how is Steamgifts not part of "online life"?

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I'm speaking in general terms, if I see a social experiment in youtube I probably don't like it. If facebook starts some viral shit to know how people respond I don't like it. But I do agree in SG.

Probably in the future the line between online and "real" life will be suppressed. More generations are growing manipulating cellphones at 1 year of age. What will future bring? Look how VR is easily achieved with a cellphone and a cardbox. You even have a VR category in porn sites. Look how at a really small age kids are in social media and all his activities are recorded, his change in moods, statistics beyond what we can imagine, etc. The change was so big that even our grandparents adopted technology when probably before when they saw that we were hours in the computer they thought we were addicts and they even knew how to use a mouse. Look how marketing techniques changed: the hype created, people buying without knowing a shit, people supporting ghost companies or projects (remember those movies like the Boiler Room were stock brokers inflated fake companies and did shit like that) just watching a kickstarter/greenlight page. I remember when I saw US videos of people doing enormous queues for buying X stuff (harry potter books, a game, an apple device) and lastly rampaging in an stampede (ala Stacy Malibu vs Lisa Lionheart :P). How many times do you check your cellphone a day? How many times you feed yourself some useless shit like 9gag or that page called steamgifts? We abandoned television just to stuff our throats with series or videos of screaming youtubers and twitching users.

Look back 5, maybe 8 years back, and this wasn't like this, maybe in "advanced" or "developed" countries it was, but now it is all over the big cities of every country, the scum banlieues, everywhere.

Imagine all this millions of dots feeding a system made of calculators, the biggest calculators in fucking earth, measuring with statistics, with the most advanced algorithms designed by promising people suck into the "Oh look! In your workplace you will have candies and a PS4, and a pinball machine! You can stay all day! Work in your personal project! Bring ideas! Work from home work from under the bed! You have masturbation time also at the office!" ... just for also feeding google or whatever enterprise or government our precious ideas, our precious work.

Two days ago I thought I changed my keyboard language to a foreign one so I typed in google searching for something. What instead I typed was something random like "xff xfeghrt fjfdj kfj dfsh gkllkfajf skj" (no joking). And you know what? It showed only a result, but there was a message that said "Maybe you were looking for 'the correct thing I was looking for' " wtf. Stop messing with my mind damn telepatic google.
Long time ago we were afraid of micro$oft and their monopoly shit, people were outraged putting dollar signs instead of Ss, but now, be got the fucking skynet controlling the internet bringing you mail, cellphones, operating systems, translations, images, face recognitions, vr, videos, your family pictures you took with your phone, scanning every single fucking printed book, maps, satellites images, 360° views of the street down your house, military cheetah robots, webspiders crawling all the web up and down searching and recollecting, and also your fucking secrets, your fucking curiosity, it even knows when you searched how to enlarge your penis.

So what I am telling you is statistics are killing us all. So c'mon bring more social experiments to sg.

7 years ago
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Ok.

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Keep in mind that with the steamgifts extension you can enter into a giveaway without open the giveaway itself.

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I know a guy who likes to do social experiments. A... a Mr. Hilter, I presume. Such a chap from an Austrian town.

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Good fella! So righteous! And what a charming voice he has!

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Must have been a Charlie Chaplin fan. He does have a very square mustache.

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Indeed! A gracefully trimmed mustache. And he loves scenic arts too! What a gentleman!

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I really like social experiments. If you do any others, I'd like to hear the results. I did something like this, but with a cheap 3-point bundle game. 717 entries for the public, and 7 for the private (same game for both). Sometimes I even leave extra keys in the description, and they usually last several hours (although they are usually also for cheap bundle games).

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It's just a social experiment bro

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It's just a prank bro.

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Make both giveaways for the same game. That means people who pay attention get 2 chances instead of one and will reduce the factor of passing one over out of lack of desire or already owning it.

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You should have masked the hidden giveaway URL to something like Fallout 4, GTA V, Skyrim, or some other AAA game...
That said, these social experiment are really fun (and useful), aren't they?

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Might try that next time, thanks for the idea. :D

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Well if you're giving away more stuff, go ahead and do your experiments.

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I think it's a really good idea, it shows how many (or how little, in theses cases) people actually bother to read the descriptions. The absolute best one I've ever seen was on a giveaway for Alien Shooter 2 - in the description, the user said everyone who entered that giveaway would get blacklisted, and the winner would still receive the game, but he posted a link to a private giveaway for two copies of the same game... from what I remember, only about 13 people actually entered the private giveaway.

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I'll say it again: social experiments are useful!
Thanks to my currently running one, I got 3 users permanently suspended (they had 6, 7 and 10 unactivated wins).
And I still have over 1000 entrants to check...

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Your main variable completely ruins your results...the game.

People may have entered the public GA, seen the private and already owned it. For more accurate results you need to give the same game away twice. That way if they already want the first, they obviously will want the second.

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That's Steamgifts, what do you expect? Always been fucked like that. :D

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Where's I don't care option? -.-

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I expect that using a triple A game for the private GA and a similar game for the public one would net better results.
But too broke to actually try that.

In any case you'd need to use the same game in both GA's for it to actually work as an experiment.

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You don't need to actually make a AAA giveaway, you could just fake the URL like I did...

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Hmm, then people stil wouldn't enter though since they wouldn't want the actual game. Making a comparison of entries rather pointless. Maybe they'd still comment, dunno about that. Or maybe I'm just being cranky cause of being hungry.

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