The BSI is a joke and that warning shows again how crazy the world is nowadays.
All the Bundestag cases weren't done over a antivirus solution, at least as far as i know, not from Kaspersky or other ones. So linking them in the text is, at least, misleading and wanted to create a wrong impression.
Kaspersky have their server stuff in switzerland, only to bring that up. So most likely a bit more difficult for russia to have a influence there as when the servers were in russia. but of course that aren't listed in the text from the BSI.
The USA spied the german cancellors (Angela Merkel) mobile phone, the EU (with listening devices) and in the old days installed a "listening device" on the german backbone of the internet in Frankfurt, when they "helped" us with the technic of such a backbone (they got all the messages, emails etc. from that mega backbone).
Besides that are very known that the USA grab infos from dif. companies with or against that companies will. And they force them to implement backdoors and give them the infos about them.
So how can it be worse as that ?
Impossible from my point of view.
I never used Kaspersky, so i don't care for it that way but i care when i see that lies get spread, stuff twisted and presented as facts.
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The actual BSI press release does not talk about the Bundestag so there is no basis to accuse the BSI of being a joke.
What the US did to Germany is not relevant here. People need to stop bringing up the US every time something happens in the world. This is about Russia, Germany and Kaspersky, nothing else.
Furthermore, this letter is about trustworthiness and risk mitigation. It's not like this is the first time Kaspersky was seen as problematic and having ties to Russian intelligence. It totally makes sense for a national intelligence agency to recommend not taking any risks.
Their response to the invasion is also lacking: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspersky_bans_and_allegations_of_Russian_government_ties#Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine
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Wrong.
I am german and i know how "good" the BSI is. They are a joke that can't secure our own country systems, like the Bundestag and other official sites, gremiums, places. They shown that many times and i never seen some useful stuff from them. Believe it or not.
It is very needed to show that other gold are only painted shi* (too).
No company is fully "free" but that extreme black and white portraying is annoying and blatant wrong/lies.
The Bundestag stuff is listed above in the OP text.
Why i shouldn't list the USA when they have access AND use it on many levels in many companies and their (IT) products ?
They aren't better as russia, they only wrap their shi* in gold paper and act a bit more diplomatic in front of people.
None of the big countries are innocent angels.
People have fear that russia take a influence on their private data etc. but, obvious, don't care or don't realize that the usa do exactly(?) the same with other products (antivirus solutions too).
The Kaspersky servers are in switzerland, as far as i know. So a bit more secured as "the company is in russia" sounds.
Their response to the ukraine invasion is complete uninteresting for me. [and as far as i know they said they are against the war and want peace]
Their software have to do the job people expect and, maybe, paid for.
Not more not less.
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The BSI can be wrong but again, this is about the link that you are confusing with the ACTUAL press release.
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I'd say the better reason to not use Kaspersky is because it is bloated shite. Not the level of Mcaffee but close enough. There are much better solutions for virus protection out there.
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Bloated with what? I have been using kaspersky for years withouit any problems, even on slow pc's.
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It doesn't have to have anything added to be bloated. When testing for corporate deployment we found that is was substantially slower than other packages which we tested, again it wasn't as bad as the likes of Norton or McAfee but it was inferior in both performance and in results.
Obviously your mileage will vary when you go to live usage but we decided it was not a great product. I'd choose other software over it any day of the week.
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Any recommendation for good antiviruses? Preferably free, but paid is okay if not too expensive. I tried the big names and felt they are often worse than the viruses xD
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most people are just using windows defender now, it's reliable, free and you already have it on your pc
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Ding Ding Ding, this one right here. As long as you are sensible then windows defender is a decent solution. I wouldn't recommend it in a work environment though simply because you have to plan for the lowest common denominator (ie idiots) who will click on that random link in that email that their boss with the misspelt name just sent them.
Most of the time you end up just locking the machine down so much that you minimise the attack vectors anyway but stupid will still find a way to fuck your day up.
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Yeah, that's what I am using actually, but I was always scared on it being weak. But from the comments it seems it's perfectly fine for home use - thanks for the info!
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use built in defender from windows and optionally run malware bytes once a month
or use linux
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AnVir Task Manager Free, good utility, but not the most automatic
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Bitdefender in my opinion is currently the best in the market followed in a very close 2nd by Kaspersky. Not sure what it costs for a year where you're located, but here in the USA it's currently only $39.99 on sale for the year, which isn't bad in my opinion.
Windows Defender is a lot better than it used to be, but it's not updated a lot which makes it pretty vunerable to zero day threats. It's detection rate definitely isn't as good as Bitdefender and Kasperky, which are at the top. It's not a bad choice per say, just be aware of the things mentioned if you choose it.
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I´ve been using Kaspersky Security Cloud (free) for a while now and it seems to do its job properly and it´s pretty light on system resources. Before that I had been using Bitdefender but my license expired and it was also rather heavy on system resources. I also use TinyWall (also) instead of Windows 10´s firewall.
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Not the level of Mcafee? Kaspersky is consistantly one of the top security solutions, which definitely hasn't always been the case for Mcafee.
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You've misread the comment. I was stating it doesn't have the same level of bloat as McAfee, not their respective merits as antivirus products. McAfee has been dire for decades.
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Everything is bloated now. Even Bitdefender now tortures me with its VPN and identity packages. Now Windows Defender is what tells me my Bitdefender needs an update...before Bitdefender can update automatically. Is a simple antivirus without bloatware too much to ask?
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I think for most users the pre-included Windows Defender is enough.
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I must say, being a longtime user of Kaspersky, that I have been having doubts about it.
Nothing ever happened but then again you know what? It's been so useless that it keeps reminding me it's on my computer like some eager pet every 5 mn with some "potential harmful site" warning on random sites or "reminders" to use Kaspersky Password Manager (as if!) and other products.
I use an ad blocker, I run malware bytes. The only time before I ever an into an issue with virus was when my girlfriend plugged a usb key she had used at a printer's shop to get the business cards I had designed for her printed. That's literally the only time I ever even made use of any anti-virus.
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I don't get bothered with it, there is a special notifications tab, turn everything off there, maybe i also put security level a little less strict, can't remember.
Now Malwarebytes is the one every time i boot my pc giving a message saying scan done, found results (or safe if i clear them) wish i could turn that off.
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Heh yeah they need to tell you they're protecting you! Just in case you forget and wonder why you're paying good money for their product.
Is Malwarebytes the free version? or did you buy it on top of Kaspersky?
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They even mail you once a month or so with a report.
Both are bought, it's also impossible to crack. Kaspersky is just 20 euro on some site, malwarebytes is full price, bought both with my dad and split the costs, but he passed away last year and i am on wellfare so once it expires, i probably won't be able to afford it anymore. Newsgroup access already expired 3 weeks ago, and it was 90 euro, it was a very good fast server, but for now i just let it go.
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I wouldn't really trust security software that can be cracked tbh ;)
Yeah Mwb is a bit pricey for me. I think I'll just use the occasional scan.
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Well eset a bit longer, and malwarebytes used to be very crackable up till about 2 years ago. ;)
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My Malwarebytes (free version) only say something after i start it (so max. 1x month).
I don't support autostart stuff and deactivate it in nearly all cases.
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Yeah, this is a joke. Have been using Kaspersky for years now and it's the least intrusive AV for me and with fewest false positives. If you use unknown external flash drives often, using windows defender is like asking the thief to rob the house because you forgot to take out the key from the lock.
With all the propaganda ongoing, I'm not surprised a bit about this news.
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I am. Or I was anyway.
I don't necessarily think their products are dangerous (spoiler alert: I don't work for the NSA, the CIA or any government agency) but their recent "Swiss stand" on "the situation" made me decide to give my money to someone else.
It only served as a reminder that they are a sensitive business operating in a country ruled by an unhinged dictator and I like to be at least twice removed from guys like that.
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Same as most have tried like a dozen antiviruses over the years and Kaspersky has consistently been on the better ones. (top 5)
Norton and Mcafee have been filled with bloatware and were almost always the slowest with worst detection rates.
There have been versions of most software filled with malware, just dont click random links to get your antivirus.
China, India, and Russia account for over 40% of the worlds global wheat exports are you going to ban russian wheat or something.
The price of wheat has increased maybe 30-40% since the war and if you ban wheat then what it will increase 80+%?
The war may cause more loss of life from food scarcity and higher cost over the war itself.
It seems like many governments are just banning anything Russian.
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just use Windows Defender, it's pretty good now. Unless you download a lot of pirated software and games the built-in software works like a charm.
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Imagine, what a small world it is:
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I don't understand. Why do people still use third party antivirus when you have built in defender that does the same thing and more?!
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kaspersky actually does a lot more than just defender though. example it can also be used as password safe and so on, but I still also wouldnt pay to use it
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(゜Θ゜)ooO(?)
Wasn't there a discussion in the last week or so about which Security software to use?
📝:(5day ago?)what antivirus or computer protection do you use?
That Kaspersky's source information is suspected to have been hacked and leaked.
Well, I can't help but think that in the old days, when the U.S. has issued similar warnings in the past, there was a story that the source code was disclosed and denied.
However, the fact that Kaspersky is currently headquartered in Russia may be a reason in itself to suggest a degree of danger.
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Only as a sidenote... their servers are in switzerland.
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It's the same in the USA.
Without the gun but with laws that result in the end in exactly the same (+ their servers are in the USA).
Which mean, i don't see a difference between them.
If someone have fear because one of them, he should have fear because of the other one(s) too.
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In any case, at this stage with Windows, it would be pointless to worry about the US.
If we only worry about Russia, we don't have to worry about anyone but the US stepping in.
(For the average person who doesn't care about speech or expression)
Would you place your trust in a country that does not censor itself?
Would you place your trust in a country that censors?
I hate to put it this way, but the U.S. would be No. 1! (The land of the free!) It is.
*In fact, I don't think it's always the best.
For example, the US has experienced both wide and very narrow freedom of expression in the field of comics.
But I think there is room for both good and bad.
If things are decided at least "within the bounds of speech" and "with reference to majority rule", not so many unfortunate things should happen.
Thinking of "Five Eyes"(Echelon) and "Pegasus", I can't say that the earth won't become "Russia 2.0"...
(I feel that this is an unfortunate time for freedom of speech and expression on earth)
At the very least, we want to avoid anything under the control of the Russian government, which has suddenly started slaughtering civilians.
This is about as much as I can say about this story.
We do not want to be picked up from Area 51 again.
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usa = the land of the free = rofl
I think very different about that and each one that read only a bit of the Edward Snowden, Wikileaks, Asange, Guantanamo etc. stuff should know why ;o)
They abducted people and transported them throught their airfield in Frankfurt, Germany, without the knowledge of germany, to their "prison" (i would call it a torture KZ) in Guantanamo. No right to see and get defended from a lawyer or something in a court, only torture like waterboarding, re-named as "hard questioning" that they don't need to say they torture there, maybe innocent, people for years..., no sleep for days, all the time full light, full sound, sitting in cages with dogs around that cages and other stuff of that "quality".
All this is, sadly, no joke and relative openly available, it give books, movies and sites, if someone is interested.
A educated and FREE country would NEVER abduct people, don't give them rights, use torture and such stuff.
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I uninstalled it for security reasons, but I'm sad because it was working perfectly :'(
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"German Federal Office for Information Security agency, also known as BSI, recommends consumers not to use Kaspersky anti-virus software.
The German Federal Office for Information Security agency, aka BSI, recommends consumers uninstall Kaspersky anti-virus software. The Agency warns the cybersecurity firm could be implicated in hacking attacks during the ongoing Russian invasion of Ukraine.
According to §7 BSI law, the BSI warns against the use of Kaspersky Antivirus and recommends replacing it asap with defense solutions from other vendors.
The alert pointed out that antivirus software operates with high privileges on machines and if compromised could allow an attacker to take over them. BSI remarks that the trust in the reliability and self-protection of a manufacturer as well as his authentic ability to act is crucial for the safe use of any defense software. The doubts about the reliability of the manufacturer, lead the agency in considering the antivirus protection offered by the vendor risky for the IT infrastructure that uses it.
BSI warns of potential offensive cyber operations that can be conducted with the support of a Russian IT manufacturer, it also explains that the vendor could be forced to conduct attacks or be exploited for espionage purposes without its knowledge.
The message is clear, companies and other organizations should carefully plan and implement the replacement of essential components of their IT security infrastructure.
The German agency also warns of the risks associated with a replacement without preparation that could expose organizations to cyber attacks due to temporary losses in comfort, functionality and safety.
The United States banned government agencies from using Kaspersky defense solutions since 2017, The company rejected any allegation and also clarified that Russian policies and laws are applied to telecoms and ISPs, not security firms like Kaspersky.
In June 2018, the European Parliament passed a resolution that classifies the security firm’s software as “malicious” due to the alleged link of the company with Russian intelligence.
Some European states, including the UK, the Netherlands, and Lithuania also excluded the software of the Russian firm on sensitive systems.
German authorities linked multiple attacks against Bundestag to Russia, in 2015 a sophisticated attack paralized the lower house of parliament.
In October 2020, the Council of the European Union announced sanctions imposed on Russian military intelligence officers, belonging to the 85th Main Centre for Special Services (GTsSS), for their role in the 2015 attack on the German Federal Parliament (Deutscher Bundestag).
In March 2021, several members of the German Parliament (Bundestag) and other members of the state parliament were hit by a targeted attack allegedly launched by Russia-linked hackers"
https://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/129085/intelligence/bsi-recommends-replace-kaspersky-av.html?utm_source=rss
They also remain neutral: https://cybernews.com/security/kaspersky-neutral-stance-in-doubt-as-it-shields-kremlin/
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