Kijib and Cult Best Friends Forever Ultimate "Points System" Fix!!!!

I like this idea. But, I'm strict like that.

when is this to be implemented?

Well, it is an improvement over what we currently have..

Sorry I have to...but best friends forever???

"Once a giveaway ends, that entry begins to regenerate and will be back after eaxactly 24 hours."

Sounds good to me.

How about 24 hours after the person first entered it?

I'm not a fan. I won't be able to be in two dozen giveaways simultaneously. :(

I won't complain too hard though. I think this may work.

I'd bump it up to a round number though. Like 12.

yeah this entering 180+ giveaways and having only 4 won giveaways is really starting to grate on my last nerve.. i've sank more than 700 points in the last month or so on Dirt 3 giveaways than i care to admit entering..

If someone makes an one day long giveaway and then someone else notice that giveaway and makes a 12 hours fake giveaway for a high rated game. I have one entry point and I use it on the fake one. How is this new system going to solve the problem with fakers?

How will invites be generated?

Hell, I say implement it for a little while, and then munch on the results. No harm in trying it out, right?

Would you still be able to refund your point if you decided you didn;t want a certain game because something more awesome just appeared?

Or is it just tough titties?

Sounds good to me! Except for the impromptu geiveaways that come up for just 10 minutes.

I'm definitely a 10/10 go for this mission suggestion, because from what I've seen is people who are gifted games from giveaways then just leave it there to collect rust, or sometimes they just play for less than an hour or whatever than stop completely (won't say some names, but you know who you are). As a person who is in the philosophy of just choosing a game you really REALLY WANT. And not just because "meh i think I'll enter" or "OMG THIS GAME IS SO COOL I WANT IT NOW" or whatever excuses people do these days.

Finally you guys made this kind of suggestion and for taht I'm proud of you guys (super kudos for each){though +1 kudo for Kijib b/c he doesn't shut off chat into "Officers may speak only" Cough Cult Cough nah im kidding <3 u cult XD.

No because this would mean people would need to be active every day. If i entered a giveaway and used 10 points up on say fallout and it lasts for 3 days i will have to log on again the next day. I enjoy spending my points and the points management of saving for games i want ect. this 10/10 would take that away

I don't agree with this suggestion for a couple of reasons. First, it doesn't account at all for changes in the amount of giveaways. It would work okay so long as a decent number of giveaways are being posted, but what if the site slows down a lot? What if there are only a handful of games posted in a given time period? You wouldn't have to be selective at all in those circumstances. Points are good because the amount of points generated is proportional to the volume of giveaways.

Also, the proposed system doesn't consider the cost of the game at all. I can't imagine many people entering to win Fortix and likely passing up a chance to win games that cost $20-$50. With points, you can choose between lots of entries for inexpensive games or fewer entries for more expensive games (assuming the points system is modified so that you have to be selective about your entries).

The points system does need a revamp, but I don't think a flat 10 entries per person per 24 hours is the right option.

Wasn't this purely cults idea? Anyway I still like it cult.

http://www.steamgifts.com/forum/hr0hs/my-idea-on-points

I hardly use the forums but I thought I'd scroll through to see what's going on with the rapid ascending points I always have.

I like this idea a lot. I have to be honest, even I enter for games I don't really want or need just because I wouldn't mind trying them and whenever I wake up in the morning, I have 300P! I can't seem to get rid of my points.

Bring this in and try it. If it sucks, we can always go back ;) No harm in trying! :)

"If the person doesn't have it in their giftable inventory, they can't make a giveaway." - We're not able to check this information, as viewing gifts has been disabled on user inventories.

"You have to be a lot more selective for the games you really want." - You stress this often, but your plan is to achieve it by having a higher cost to entry. How would this differ from simply dropping points from 10% to a lower number?

A few thoughts. First off, the only difference between points and entries is that points takes into account the value of a gift. That's the only difference, so let's ignore names and look at the options.

Options

1: Distribute a fixed number of points or entries on a daily basis.

2: Distribute a dynamic number of points or entries based on giveaways created.

A: Cost to entry is equal for every giveaway.

B: Cost to entry is based on the price of a giveaway.

Choose one from the first set, and one from the second set. At the moment, we're doing 2B, and you're proposing 1A. The system needs to be dynamic, and we can't distributed a fixed number of points or entries, because we might have 10 giveaways created one day, and 100 another. Therefore, the only options are 2A and 2B, meaning the decision is whether or not to value giveaways equally, or based on their price. In short, it boils down to the below. Which scenario do you prefer?

1: $1,000 worth of gifts are posted. You choose $100 to enter.

2: 100 gifts are posted. You choose 10 to enter.

This wouldn't work at all. everyone will just enter 10x every day.
I've been here a month and even through all of the summercamp/dirt3/hib3 influxes, i've not had enough points to enter 10/day.
you wouldn't have to be more selective at all.
all this does is alleviates the problem of fakes generating points, which could be handled better by one of the other suggested methods such as the points being generated after the gift is received instead of when the giveaway is created.

"Everyone gets 10 entries" I don't like the idea

I like the current system better.

For 300 points, you enter either 6 Dirt3 or 50 HIB3. You decide which one you want more.

Right now, I personally use points on Dirt3.

On your proposed system, everyone gets 10 entries every 24 hours. I'll just blow points on whatever. If there is only 10 giveaways, I am going to spend all entries on them, because I am gonna get them back anyway!

Compare to current system, I tend to pass on games I don't really want, and save up for the ones I do want. That more closely resembles real life money situations. If there is only 10 giveaways, I am less inclined to enter unless I really wanted it, because I know i won't be getting the points back right away.

10 entries a day still seems like quite a bit too me, but perhaps with entries regenerating 3 days later it would work better.

My only concern is that it has no relation to how active the site is. During slow times 10 entries could be more then enough, during times like the summer sale 10 entries is legitimately limiting.
Some way to tie this to the site activity to some extent, along with the 3 day regeneration would be better IMO.

The person above with 74 entries in two days should be plenty of proof that there is a ridiculously large number of points floating around in the system right now though, there is barely any reason to even glance at how many points you have... unless you're entering into virtually everything as with the above poster.
And if that's the case then the point system clearly isn't doing what it was originally created for.

I'm just not certain this, as it's suggested now is necessarily a significant improvement without any relation to site activity.

As it is this proposed system feels like nothing more than a "band-aid" to the current problems. Hence you're trying to fix the symptoms, rather than attack the source directly.

Now lets look at the source of the problem. What's the main issue here? People abusing the system and generating an influx of points. If I wanted to I could create a bunch of Dirt 3 giveaways. Sure, I'd get myself banned since they'd all be fakes, but from my understanding the damage would have been done. Do you guys remove points from all active members for each fake giveaway created? Or do you just ban fake giveaways?

The idea of "only allow point generation upon gift completion" is a double-edged sword. This would discourage people from making long giveaways so more people can enter, which is the point of this group. On the other hand, this would give others incentive to draw things out even further to seemingly give them an edge somehow. How? I'm not sure, but they may figure the problem out.

Our current system seems to be fine and works just fine. The problem is that it is VERY easy to abuse because there is no way to verify that the gift is legit or not, so you get points regardless, which inflates the system by a huge amount. There are also people who get games through 'cheating', such as key farming Dirt 3 codes, so that others are unable to get the code. Granted that blame falls entirely upon AMD for doing something as stupid as offering free codes for literally doing nothing, but what can you do about that?

The only thing is that no one will enter a contest until the last day, because they won't want to give up a slot for an early entry. In all honesty, there'd be no reason to enter a contest early, since you'll get your slot back when a contest ends.