How do you rate Diablo 4?
I only could start playing yesterday and mostly play it solo with my Necro, to experience the game without being rushed by others.`
Switched to using a controller to test if it would be a good candidate for the Deck and I actually enjoyed that more than mouse + keyboard.
Combat is flawless, all issues from the first two beta weekends are gone. I hope the experience remains the same when the gates open for everyone else too.
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Diablo Four, more like Diablo Bore
nothing new worth playing it anymore
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Always online for playing single player is a JOKE. Don't buy it, they will never learn.
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They're afraid ppl will steal their precious game.
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Just because you can play something alone doesn't make it a single player game.
And I'm thankful that it runs on their servers only, I've seen way too many cheaters in games which don't. That ruined the end game in Grim Dawn for me.
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I've never seen so much cheaters in any good single-player game like in those MMOs/variations
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Single player mode and online mode need to be completely separate (different account for each) to work, otherwise yes people will cheat offline then bring their cheat character online making online suck.
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I don't mind force online when playing single, but if your connection is not good then have fun with the delay and lag.
I first tried D3 several months ago and at worst moment the character just teleport instead of walking :D
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Whoa, who said anything about piracy? I didn't say that, I said don't buy it. There is a big difference between not buying and piracy. Also it always gets cracked anyway.
EDIT : Oh it's just estimated 5 million in the first day and 13 million by the end of the year. So it seems gamers never learn.
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No, piracy is worse because of the always online DRM. Most people don't pirate games. Look at Witcher 3, no DRM yet 50 million copies sold. It's when they do stupid shit like this that makes people want to "avoid" the DRM
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This is always the best argument to anyone saying DRM is the cause of piracy affecting sales. Witcher 3 was a AAA game developed by an indie studio (self-published) and it sold a shit ton of copies. It also had zero DRM and could be downloaded from any piracy website and played easily. Yet, people chose not to and bought it instead. DRM (like the online always stuff) only makes people dislike it even more. Remember how legit Assassin's Creed 2 players got a worse experience than those with a pirated copy since they didn't need to be always online to run it? We are now at the stage where the community may need to step in and create some sort of alternative (like they are doing with Hitman) in case you want to play the game offline. Imagine having the whole progression in your single-player game tied to servers. Just idiotic.
Personally, I don't boycott games if they have DRM, but I know that nowadays they don't really do much and it's more of a placebo effect if anything. People who want to buy the game, will (day 1 or on sale). Those who don't won't. Simple. And sometimes people pirate due to the high cost of games in their country.
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Not my genre, so I will buy it on deep discount only, like I did with D3. Never saw the appeal of grinding in those games for hundreds of hours.
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It's not your genre and you don't see the appeal of the grind, however, you still buy the game. May I ask why? Why spend money on something you don't even seem to enjoy or like?
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Did I ever say somewhere that I don't like or enjoy the genre? "Not my genre" means I'm not playing a lot of games from it, or that I'm not that invested in them. With D3 + RoS expansion I did couple of playthroughs with different classes, played some end game content also and was pretty much finished with the game. I enjoyed my time with it but it would overstay its welcome by a long shot if I were playing it like I'm "supposed to".
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Fair enough, personally, if I say that something "isn't my genre" then it's usually things I don't enjoy and therefore simply wouldn't buy, that's why it didn't make sense to me that one would still buy a game in that case. :)
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I'm having a lot of fun. Lvl 40 so far, finished act2 main story, still have to fully explore the 2nd area and do more side quests and stuff... Playing a necro that uses corpses to carpet-bomb everything in the screen area. Taking breaks every 2 hrs, took a 2h walk too yesterday... No queues or waiting, but we'll see what happens after the 6th.
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I don't know why I made the 'smart' decision but I'm testing my Necro support build ... in the only run that I actually intend to play alone. 😅
Works well enough, though my kill rate could be higher.
And the game seems to make fun of with me. Every unique I've found so far is for anything but the darkness skills I use.
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I use darkness too. Everything is making darkness dmg, and then you introduce spawning corpses from dmg and making dmg with corpses. And then... Anyway, have almost all legendries, but no uniques yet.
Anyway, played some side-quests in act2 in S... area... (druid country; keep forgetting the names) They really tried to make them interesting story-wise and fill with some bg lore, I'm positively surprised. The one with drowned kids and wraith was amazing. Bear one was OK too.
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Shit price + online only + microtransactions + Battle Pass
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I will buy it when it goes on sale. I'm very interested but not enough to buy it at full price I think.
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rainbow colours?
this isn't D3.
D4 is far closer to D2 than D3 for visual aesthetics.
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not my sort of game at all - so i don't really want it and i 100% would never spend more than 5 - 10 on it
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Got the Standard Edition so will be able to play tomorrow. Did try one open beta and the Server Slam though. Server Slam convinced me to get it, fell in love with Rogue gameplay. Got addicted to the flashiness/utility of the Caltrops skill somehow so I will probably have an early build with that skill in mind. I may adjust depending on drops while leveling to 50 -- did love close combat rogue gameplay too.
The cutscenes are nice, the music fitting, the dark atmosphere from Diablo 1 and 2 are intact.
Not familiar/never played Diablo 3 but have hundreds of hours in Diablo 1 and 2, and like 5 hours in Diablo Immortal.
I have about 1 day-ish to decide on potential names for all five classes for character creation, figuring out names is surprisingly hard to decide...
Hopefully the official launch goes smoothly, early access launch looks to have been pleasantly and surprisingly smooth for most.
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Yeah, the Rogue is my favorite too. That's why I'll play that class last. Necro now. Followed by Barbarian or Druid, then Sorc and Rogue last.
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Diablo 4 patches are coming fast and hard I see. Just noticed there's another patch out ~10 hours ago that brought big changes/nerfs.
I haven't looked deeply into other classes but I've seen some Necro gameplay via a VTuber. Playing a Necro in hardcore mode with her chat-guided build that is somehow getting a boost due to the recent patch is admittedly hilarious.
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played the beta and server slam, liked it but not that much to warrant a 70$ purchase from me
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Not touching it or anything else from Blizzard until the company stops being crap.
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trash artsyle
same gameplay
70$ at least + microtransactions
ez pass
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mannn, wut do u know anything about concept art ? or do u even work in concept art/ design industries ? that artstyle is top tier in the market right now. the only good in blizzard is they recuit some good artist from asia to draw/design for them ... imagine Path of exila dev have those juicy artist design cosmetic for them then path of exile will be perfect !
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I'm really tempted to buy it. i've played diablo 3 when it first came out and i've also played a lot of path of exile which i liked a lot.
i can't decide though if i want to invest time and money in this one and keep the other games in my backlog piling up or not.
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I'm probably biased since I decided to stop supporting Blizzard years ago - but from what I've seen, it really doesn't interest me at all. It feels like D3 but with more "MMO-ish" elements that exist purely to turn it into a live service game and monetize it as much as possible.
Story seems meh at best, gameplay looks more of the same, build variety seems poor, itemization is a mess.
The only thing I appreciate is the darker atmosphere compared to D3, but that's pretty much it.
Also, $70 game with microtransactions, battle pass and always online. That stuff alone is worth a pass.
With how badly Blizzard fumbled Overwatch 2, I also have zero confidence they'll properly support the game in the future.
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Story seems meh at best, gameplay looks more of the same, build variety seems poor, itemization is a mess.
Are you sure that you looked into Diablo 4? Because pretty much none of these makes really sense.
Story is widely considered fantastic and by far the best the series ever had.
Combat feeling is outstanding, way better than D2 or PoE imho.
Can't judge build variety yet.
Why is itemization a mess? It actually improves build variety.
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Unfortunately I can't say I agree - the combat animations look pretty good, but the combat in general feels weirdly stiff to me.
Itemization seems boring and simplistic, it takes quite a while for it to become interesting and even then never at the level of other ARPGs. When it comes to builds I very well could be wrong, but everything I've seen so far from items to the skill trees doesn't fill me with confidence. It feels ripe for cookie-cutter builds and it doesn't help that Blizzard historically has a reputation for pretty terrible balancing - but as you said, it's still quite early to say for sure. Story-wise what I've seen seemed pretty par-for-the-course, and personally I haven't really seen anyone rave about it so far - but that's pretty subjective, after all.
There's plenty more stuff that doesn't really convince me - bosses seem pretty uninteresting (some feel taken straight out of D3), challenge appears to generally be on the low end both in campaign and world bosses (nightmare dungeons seem pretty ok though), there are scaling issues, class balance is quite a mess, etc. To me it just feels like Diablo 3 2.0 adapted to be closer to something like Lost Ark (but with no P2W, at least so far, fingers crossed) - in fact I feel that even Lost Ark did some things better, certainly when it comes to bosses at the very least.
I'm glad you seem to enjoy it though! As I said, my bias towards Blizzard probably makes me see more issues where someone else wouldn't see any, but so far I personally haven't found much in D4 that could convince me to start supporting Blizzard again - especially when you also consider the monetization they attached to it.
I'll keep a lookout and see how the game does in the months and years ahead, though
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Ah, I misunderstood you about itemzation then. True, it can't compete with PoE in that aspect.
But I must admit that I don't really miss that kind of complexity, mostly because D4's system will save me a ton of time.
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The issue mostly comes from the fact that ARPGs are really made to be replayed over and over - but if they're too shallow, they end up being boring and repetitive pretty fast. Even in something like PoE, which as you said is way more complex (to be expected, since it's been in active development for a decade at this point) you can still hit that wall relatively quickly. Unless Blizzard really knocks it out of the park with the updates, that could very well be another big issue that will pop out in the coming weeks or months. In fact I've already seen quite a few people complaining about the endgame being lacking, and the game has barely been released.
I do however agree that if you're just looking to play through a campaign and be done with it, being simplistic could very well be a bonus. Personally I'd find it hard to justify a purchase just for that, but I also understand that the definition of "worth it" changes from person to person
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Oh, I am interested in the end game. But not to entertain me for 1k hours or even more.
With Grim Dawn I reached about 240h IIRC, with Diablo 4 I'd expect something around 500-600h. If they manage to keep me entertained for even longer, I'd consider that an impressive achievement and bonus.
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I haven't played since the Diablo 2 expansion. I enjoyed the games, but I don't want to use Battle.net for it. I used to have an account, but haven't used it for decades.
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is it not on Steam?
edit: would have voted not interested if that was an option
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I haven't played it and my computer probably couldn't run it anyway.
Back in the day I spent a ton of time playing Diablo 1 and 2 and I'm kinda burnt out of that whole genre. Also I have similar games like Torchlight, Titan's Quest, etc. And I'm not too confident in Blizzard these days.
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That's because it's not on Steam. You have to get it through Blizzard's Battle(dot)net store.
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I will say that I've watched Twitch gameplay streaming and the game looks really, really good, so the graphic artists should be proud. But beyond that, the gameplay itself feels shallow and soulless, the story is barely there, replayability looks like it's not good...
...and it looks like they're doing more of the pay-for-content-and-aesthetics-after-you've-already-dropped-60-to-80-bucks thing that convinced me to boycott Diablo III entirely.
So yeah, if it ends up in a bundle later as a "complete" edition in the future at like 80% off, I may think about it, but otherwise, I'll pass.
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I did play the beta and, while the graphics was pretty, it just lacked the heart and soul that Diablo and especially Diablo 2 had. Even D2 Resurrected seemed hollow compared to the original, pretty much for the same reasons that you just stated. While I hope Blizzard will go back to the quality of their games instead of following Asian business models for the sake of cash grabs under the acquisition of Microsoft, I'm not holding my breath.
Like you, I will wait for the complete edition when it's 75-80%+ off.
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Yeah, I had high hopes with the Microsoft acquisition, since overall they have a really good track record. But after what they let happen to Halo in the last iteration...man, I'm not holding my breath for Diablo, either. We'll see. MS seems to be feeling the pain of the consistent negative feedback of Halo Infinite (their latest releases make things a whole lot better and they are clearly listening to the community... although with the lack of split-screen MP, the #1 requested feature and something promised from the beginning that they've officially said is not going to happen, the reviews will never skew positive), so I'd assume they'll exercise more caution with other IP. Forza Horizon continues to be great. If they could even meet in the middle, quality-wise, of those two IPs, I'd call it a win.
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Oh yes... I had forgotten about that with Halo Infinite. It's nice to know, however, that the developer is listening to their playerbase and actually fixing the problems the game has. (To be fair though, the pandemic really impacted many games in development that was hyped for release at the time of the lockdown.) Rather, my gripe with Microsoft is they have a habit of treating games like their operating systems and stop supporting them in favor of their shiny new toys - namely Xbox - and letting them fall into abandonware. "Freelancer" anyone? Thankfully Diablo didn't meet the same fate, but found new life on GOG because it was a single-player only game, as did Warcraft I and II.
Let's hope with Blizzard's move to multiplatforms in recent years, other than PC, Microsoft will reign in Blizzard's newfound love for cash grabs and they'll go back to rivaling Blizzard North and make these modern games worth the money we pay for.
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Diablo 4's tonal and aesthetic "return to darkness"—a tagline that promises Diablo 3's biggest haters that this one is for big strong adults who liked Diablo 2—is so afraid of levity and color that it misses what made Diablo 2 and 3 so evocative. Diablo has always had to balance its dark fantasy world with your character's ridiculous presence in it. As you fling godlike powers at buckets of demons and the occasional treasure goblin, the previous games, whether by the technical limitations of the time or differing creative directions, found a way to make the eternal conflict between heaven and hell worth caring about—largely by injecting surrealist art into otherwise mundane environments and having characters like Deckard Cain provide a hit of gravitas.
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Somehow Diablo 4 didn't give me a truly threatening villain or dungeons with demon statues puking blood red lava until the last third of the campaign. If I wanted to fall asleep in gray dungeons and abandoned cathedrals, there are plenty of other action RPGs out there. I come to Diablo to feel like I'm cutting demons apart in a death metal band's airbrushed album art. This is a series where the final boss is literally in the title; the lack of subtlety is its strength.
https://www.pcgamer.com/diablo-4-review-in-progress/
Aside from the described environmental aesthetics above, I am already deep into a battlepass system for another game - War Thunder - which I am already investing my personal time into. Needing the Battle.net client is also an obstacle because I do not have any other games that I play to justify downloading it. I have multiple games that I want to play or have played on Steam, GOG, EA App/Origin, Ubisoft Connect, and Epic Games.
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The game is excellent in my opinion. Combat feels amazing, mini-boss fights and boss fights are difficult and abundant, with well-thought-out patterns and goreish death scenes. I've not played yet the whole story, but it's hella fun. I like it a lot!
I highly recommend it, but the price can scare a lot of people away. Still, I think money is well spent.
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Too expensive for a genre of game I'm not a big fan of. I'm paying Grim Dawn instead, and perhaps I'll buy D4 in 2/3 years when it will be at an affordable price
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D4 looks like a D3 remake. They could expand but its the same isometric fixed camera hack and slash that D3 was. Now upgraded with battle pass and microtransations. I loved Blizzard... when they were from the 90s.
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They could expand but its the same isometric fixed camera hack and slash that D3 was.
That's what Diablo players want. I don't understand what you think they should have made, a FPS?
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Guessing this is a joke, otherwise maybe your suggestion is that COD should also make a puzzle game, Need for Speed should go back to it's roots and make a horse riding game, and the next Witcher game should be a hentai JRPGMaker game. World of Warcraft should just re-release itself as Room of Warcraft, where the whole game happens in one single bedroom and it's now a single player game. Of course, to compensate, we now have an FPS game featuring Sherlock Holmes after he swallowed an entire barrel of steroids and he's the bad guy, and Mortal Kombat is now a RTS game, and lastly the most popular Baseball game is a hidden object game where you're trying to find DEEZ NUTS! Oh and I guess Crysis 4 should just be benchmarking software, no game.
Some of these would probably be kinda fire to play.
In all honestly not a bad mentality, the variety and some change would be nice just for some fun and lols, but it would be a risky and strange experience to jump into any of these titles expecting what they currently provide. It would probably affect sales a lot if you couldn't tell what you're gonna get. For example, Halo has a RTS game, but it isn't as popular, and the reason is obvious, because people expect a fps. Another example for instance, is Bloodrayne. Easy way to kill your game.
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next Witcher game should be a hentai JRPGMaker game
Jokes on you. That sounds fun xD
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Don't give them any ideas, the card collecting in The Witcher 1 was bad enough!
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Half way into writing my comment I was like "hmm maybe not a bad idea" so I added the second paragraph haha.
As a gamer I'd probably enjoy trying different things, but for the company it wouldn't go well with the masses I assume.
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Of course that is a joke! I said "expand" the game, not turn into another genre. Put something new, the game feels like playing D3 with new skin.
If you play D1 and then D2 you see the core elements of the game but you know they expanded the game.
D3 turned into "Find Legendary clicker game".
As an example have you ever played Sacred 2 and wandered the map of the game? It's huge and for a 2008 isometric game still beautiful. That game combat may not be the best and fluid like D3 but they could have learned something from the world setting.
Edit: FPS with puzzle = Portal.
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Technically they expanded into a direction, just not the one I care about. It's better graphics, and rightfully so since it's been enough years since their last title, and they went full mode with the mtx, battle pass and deluxe,etc. editions. Even the standard edition claims it includes a pet, and imo who cares, at that point it's just part of the game, since I can't buy an edition lesser which doesn't include it, it shouldn't even be shown as a reward of the standard edition. It's all corporate bullshit.
As for them making bigger worlds like Sacred 2, I would too prefer that, having not played Sacred 2, I do understand how the content can run stale pretty fast.
You did convince me to get Sacred, and eventually I'll get to Sacred 2.
Regarding Diablo IV, I don't really care for it that much, I don't think it's a terrible game, I think they did alright, but not with all the mtx, battlepass, etc. Because it has all that other paid content it gets a no from me. This exclusivity thing in games needs to leave the industry. Including free to play games that sell you items that add up to more than $100 or lets say 150% of a brand new AAA game so like $70 + $35 = $105.
Wish there were laws that regulated if a game releases as F2P, that the combined amount of the store items cannot exceed $100 in total, so if they added 2, it'd be like one $30 one $70, and if they added another, those prices would lower to like $20 and $60 to fit another one at $20 in, to always keep it at a max of $100 and so on if they added more. That or you just pay for access to the store, and everything on the store is free in perpetuity once you buy the all time access pass for it. Having so many items that you cannot acquire unless you spend thousands, is really toxic to a game imo and is really damaging to the industry.
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With D: Immortal they learned that they can milk players hard. Why stop? Why not revive the auction house again? The game is not bad but it was made to make players spend lots on cosmetics. Why bother with loot if I can show everyone my new character's fancy pants? I wish ppl that like this game have lots of fun without giving in to that predatory behavior.
As with Sacred you can go straight to S2 since the stories are not linked.
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So what are your thoughts?
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