I don't quarantine myself from consoles, and yet I'm a PC "fanboy".
And how is the Steambox supposed to actually unite the two together? You must be on crack for this one.

Now I know you are just being a troll, and a true legend for dirty, dirty purist console peasants. Mad that the glorious PC master race is actually winning?

Consoles are 'cheap' on purchase because they are sold at loss. The revenue is made from premium memberships, taking a cut game purchases (also the reason why console games cost more than PC) and ads on the dashboard.

It is easier to optimize a game for console, because there is going to be a set of hardware, and you don't have to take account parts from different manufacturers, drivers and all that fancy stuff.

I said that consoles are easier to use.

Even with a modest PC, you will not have to worry about replacing hardware or not being able to run games for few years. You will start with being able to max most games and then start to go down from there as time goes on. Do note that the consoles start at quite low settings in the first place.

If you don't use Linux and aren't provided a Windows OS for free, you can still easily build a PC that can compete with the next generation consoles for less than those €700.

I would also like to note that PC games are cheaper and provide for the most part a free multiplayer experience. If you buy a fairly small amount of games and are lucky to get provided the exact games that you want for your subscription (PS+ f.ex), you have an argument that you'll be using less money than on a PC. This still comes with the downsides that you lose the games when your subscription runs out and they are eventually not carried over to the next generation system.

It is also worth taking into account that a PC will also provide the user with more than just a gaming machine. This isn't as needed by those who have, say, a laptop, but it is a factor.

Also PC games aren't that much cheaper

Steam summer sale would like to have a word with your console 'sales' Let's not forget humble bundle, a game for 20 something cents?

At the end of consoles life cycle, you've spent more money total than if you were to get a decent gaming machine and bought from sales. People truly can be short sighted and insist that consoles are cheaper.

I acknowledge the advantage of a console. Better portability, easier to play game, just pop a disc in and you're set. But now things aren't looking too good for them when they get more and more complicated without options to upgrade them when it is needed. I know there are bigger HDDs for them, but the prices are outrageous.

Do you know anything about technology? Tech advances at such speeds that few year old stuff is starting to get outdated by new hardware, more demanding software and build quality.

You don't have to upgrade / replace hardware every few years, they'll still be fine but don't expect them to perform at the same level as their stronger brothers. Time takes its toll even for the technology.

No, there's no case of "you might be cheaper off" - if you buy a console, versus buying a PC, you will have spent a shit tonne of cash more over 3/4 years' time on that console, than on PC gaming. Period.

Next-gen will all but require a monthly subscription (if you want to do anything remotely interesting with your console) that costs a bunch every month.

And again, about the sales - I can, in a years' time, get around 20 or 30 fresh new games for my PC, for no more than perhaps between 200 - 400 bucks, depending on how many of those games are AAA, and that's not even considering bundles and ridiculous sales on game / franchise packs. On a console, that would translate to 4 - 8 games. And yet one more time, there's always some big-ass deals going on on Amazon, GMG, GOG, and Steam. You don't find 75% off sales on console games, unless they are either used copies, or games that are older than a year, and have had lower than expected sales figures - in other words, games that you'd want less, anyway.

Your logic is flawed, the facts are stacked up against you, and yet still you try to cling on, defending consoles, for some idiotic reason.

Now don't mind me, just going away to put a new GPU in my machine, get some extra performance out of my games, then maybe put a community made realistic graphics mod on GTAIV so the game looks 2x as good, adding incalculable extra value to my game for free. Maybe then, I'll go play some CSS on some custom-made game maps, or maybe I'll play some Fallout: New Vegas story mods that add a whole new game's worth of gameplay, weapons, items, characters and dialogue.

What's that? You can't do all that on your precious consoles? Aww :(

That's right, fool.

Sit down.

"If you didn't have to replace your PC parts every 3 or 4 years like you're claimimg, then it is just fucking bullcrap that the PS4 would be outdated already."

See and yet again, this makes 0 fucking sense. No one said anything about the PS4 being outdated anywhere, yet you raise the point as if responding to someone who did.. And even if someone had said that, your statement still makes as much sense as a squirrel in a tutu dancing on a polar bears' tummy. They don't even live in the same hemisphere (for starters). See where I'm going with this?

If you didn't have to replace PC parts every 3/4 years, then what is your proposed alternative situation? What are you implying by that statement? That if PC parts lasted far longer than those 3/4 years, somehow an unreleased console would not be outdated? Or do you mean that if PC parts were like components of consoles (so you'd never replace them), somehow a PS4 would be superior to <any PC>? Seriously, your entire statement makes absolutely no sense, at all, in any way I try to look at it. So please, spell out what you actually mean. Don't say "if this didn't happen" or "if this wasn't this way", explain what your proposed situation would look like.

Anyway, you don't have to replace your PC parts every 3/4 years, unless you want to keep playing all modern games on their higher / highest graphical settings, which is an unnecessary luxury. Also - just for fun - console games' graphics can usually be compared to about medium settings on their PC counterparts, meaning that if you're going to be talking about comparative performance / looks, your PC rig would last even longer using medium graphics settings - say, 5/6, perhaps even 7 years.

They are old and so what? I see older titles on the consoles don't drop below €20, unlike on the PC, where they drop to €5-20 without sales. I believe there's at least a €10 difference on new titles, where the PC is always the cheapest version. I also believe PC game sales are a lot more frequent and with bigger discounts.

Umm, I got AC3 and FC3 free with a promo, Remember Me off SteamGifts, and Amalur (on launch) for $10. I'd say its plausible.

Yeah, the indie ones are the good ones. Totally love them (no sarcasm - AAA games suck most of the time).

When you go around provoking people, knowing how they are going to react, then continuosly fueling the flame, using vulgar words while only mentioning PlayStation, trying desperately to prove that everybody else is wrong, yes, I believe you are a fanboy. Tell me, isn't that exactly how fanboys act and the reason why you hate them so much?

Let's just all agree that

**1. Consoles are empirically more expensive than PC gaming.

2. You're retarded.
3. See below -**

PC MASTER RACE