Go ahead and delete the username from your post as part of the "cleanup" of this thread.
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Maybe they want you to put all your items on the account and then they can recover it back.
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But they should have a chat log. It should be easy to prove that the account was given with consent, right?
EDIT: Oh, they get the account back after the victim added new items. I see.
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A wise man once said " a gift horse shouldn't throw two birds with a hand in a glass house while leading him to water to get stoned."
Yes, it seems suspect.
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"You shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth" Bad advice for this thread.
"A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush" probably bad advice here too.
"Don't throw bricks into glass houses" No application here either way.
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink" Doesn't apply either.
And... "A rolling stone gathers no moss"? If that's the one you're referring to, which doesn't apply here either. Funny you combined all these.
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Step 1 : give account away.
step 2 : wait for idiots to play and get items
step 3 : take back account and change password.
Step 4 : PROFIT!!!
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When you're not sure the safest thing to do is block! ^^
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Don't know if this is new, but it certainly reeks of scam.
If you feel like flipping the tables on the offering person, report them to Valve. Steam accounts are supposedly not transferrable so if someone over there decides to do something for a change it's a potential scammer that gets a ban, instead of a potential victim of a scammer.
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I belive that nobody reads Steam ToS anyway, but seriously?
Why do you not give me your card number and cvv - I may have played CSGO and shit as you
~google translate
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A Nigerian prince I once met warned me not to do business with that guy.
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Scammers trying to find new and inventive ways to scam people.. best thing to do is just unfriend and block people who try to scam..
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Be careful about IP bans. Don't use anyone else's account on your own PC.
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TL; DR: Yes, this is a scam.
- Find person who is both gullible and greedy. (Easy to do.)
- Tell the person he or she is "trusted" and "the only one who can help." (This obvious lie should tip you off.)
- Give stolen account with duped items and malware seeds to the fool and wait for him or her to actually use it.
- Once the fool has been sufficiently item-farmed, hacked, data-mined, et cetera, report fool for account theft.
- Let the authorities have the fool for law-breaking while you disappear into the ether and profit.
If something like this happened to me, I would include the (original) screenshot in my report to Valve, "mark" the guy with a nickname (e.g. "Scammer"), and plan on blocking him after Valve has had time to act on my tip. Then, I would follow up with a report on SteamRep.com for good measure.
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You cannot scam your own account, thats stupid -.-
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That's not how it works. Go back and read everything, again.
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and of course never shame those rats here. censor his names, so they can scam more people.
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Steam has a report function for that. If you want to know the name of the guy (for whatever reason), just ask ImRocker in private. Also, there are other sites for witch-hunting and outing scammers. It is not necessary to bring that to SteamGifts. Discussion of public figures (e.g. the head of a gaming network or software company) is a different matter, of course.
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Since when is it illegal to use somebody else's gaming account?
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Good grief... Check the Steam Subscriber Agreement, Part #1, Section C.
I strongly suggest that, in the future, you read legal contracts before agreeing to them..
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They aren't actual legal contracts. There are no laws that say you can't share accounts in any country. Those are just Valve rules. Something that is actually illegal is a law and you can get arrested for breaking the law.
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Do not confuse a legally binding contract (which I have been talking about) and civil law (to which you seem to be deflecting). If you choose to violate a legally binding contract, it may be terminated by the affected parties as per the relevant clauses. In Valve's case, they are allowed to terminate your usage and keep your money. You could then choose to pursue the matter in your local, civil court, but you would probably lose the case as you agreed to a legally binding contract.
As for illegal activity conducted while using an account, that will vary in accordance with local law and is also in violation of Valve's TOS. See #4 for details.
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There is nothing being confused. Illegal means
illegal
ADJECTIVE
Contrary to or forbidden by law, especially criminal law.
‘illegal drugs’
"Let the authorities have the fool for law-breaking while you disappear into the ether and profit." There is nothing actually illegal about sharing an account. Valve can shut down an account sharer's account but they wouldn't be able to get them arrested since there's nothing illegal about it.
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There is nothing actually illegal about sharing an account.
In your determination to "win the argument," you have continually ignored what I have actually written. I specifically said "illegal activity conducted while using an account." That would include credit-card fraud, intellectual property violation, theft, piracy, hacking and/or planting malware, blackmail, et cetera. There are various crimes a person may commit while using an assumed identity, and some countries do indeed pursue some of those crimes. It was this type of illegal activity I originally mentioned in Point #4 of my post to which you supposedly responded, but you apparently skipped that part. Instead, you keep insisting that "sharing an account is not illegal," a moot point since I have never claimed otherwise.
I had assumed that English was your primary language. Perhaps I was mistaken?
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Hah! Native speakers are among the worst to communicate in writing in English. This is one of the reasons most companies hire people who learnt it as a non-native language to make their important documentation. Especially since apparently there was a giant epidemic in the US that somehow erased the concept of punctuation from everyone's mind under the age of 20.
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"L; DR: Yes, this is a scam.
Find person who is both gullible and greedy. (Easy to do.)
Tell the person he or she is "trusted" and "the only one who can help." (This obvious lie should tip you off.)
Give stolen account with duped items and malware seeds to the fool and wait for him or her to actually use it.
Once the fool has been sufficiently item-farmed, hacked, data-mined, et cetera, report fool for account theft.
Let the authorities have the fool for law-breaking while you disappear into the ether and profit.
If something like this happened to me, I would include the (original) screenshot in my report to Valve, "mark" the guy with a nickname (e.g. "Scammer"), and plan on blocking him after Valve has had time to act on my tip. Then, I would follow up with a report on SteamRep.com for good measure."
No this is the exact quote.
You didn't say ""illegal activity conducted while using an account." once in that comment.
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Of course not. I said it in this follow-up comment. As I said, go back and read Point #4 of my post, where "... item-farmed, hacked, data-mined, et cetera," are all elements of illegal activity conducted while using an account.
Nevermind. I see am I wasting my time, here.
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It's against the ToS selling your account or charge people to play on your account, it's ok to share or give it to someone. Otherwise it was impossible to use family sharing...
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I've been thinking this too. What would happen after my account reach 100 years?
will it dissapear? will I lose my rights for the digital products I bought?
Clearly I will be dead by then, but that means that we don't really own anything in steam, after I pass away, all my invested time and money will be thrown away.
There should be the RIGHTS to TRANSFER your account to someone else AT YOUR WILL, since you paid for those digital products.
Now Physical discs and backup copies make more sense to me.
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You may not reveal, share or otherwise allow others to use your password or Account except as otherwise specifically authorized by Valve.
...and...
... nor may you sell, charge others for the right to use, or transfer any Subscriptions other than if and as expressly permitted by this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use) or as otherwise specifically permitted by Valve.
Family Sharing is the sharing of subscriptions, not accounts, and would fall into the category of "as otherwise specifically permitted by Valve."
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The brazilian portuguese translation is ambiguous, so, for me, it's still legal to share my account.
PS: a valve employee translated this, not the volunteers.
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That's what i thought, i don't need to use another acc since mine is pretty well, probably he was expecting me to trade the items to my acc and then report it for theft.
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By the way, you should have blacked out the name of the individual and avoided "naming names." What you are doing constitutes "calling out," and is against the SG rules. Consider this an official warning and edit your post.
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well technically the Guidelines state:
Use the appropriate avenues for support. If you have an issue with another user, submit a ticket with a user report, rather than calling them out within the community or on the forum.
If said person does not have a steamgifts account does that rule still apply? My understanding was that it was meant to protect steamgift users, since no action can be taken towards any other kind of user? Not trying to be difficult or anything, just asking an honest question.
Also he didn't technically call the person out either, he asked the community if what he was doing was a scam, he never actually said he was a scammer.
I do think it's nice you warned the person first.
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Not trying to be difficult or anything, just asking an honest question.
It is a fair question, and it deserves a clear answer.
The rule was originally written to prevent "witch-hunts" within the site. SG users have other means to lodge complaints regarding a particular user, and Support spends a large percentage of its time responding to such complaints. (It seems like more than 50%.). In those instances where an individual does not have an SG account, it is still undesirable to begin a "witch-hunt" on this site, and there are other avenues a user may use in pursuing justice. The habit of "outing" private individuals (i.e. "calling out") on SteamGifts is therefore discouraged.
Public figures are a separate matter.
... he never actually said he was a scammer.
A general question about a possible scam does not require names be attached.
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Fair enough, I appreciate the clarification.
A general question about a possible scam does not require names be attached.
Also true. Thanks for your reply Khalaq.
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SG users have other means to lodge complaints regarding a particular user, and Support spends a large percentage of its time responding to such complaints. (It seems like more than 50%.)
Man, if that's the case, really more than half, this seems like something that should be addressed internally immediately otherwise it can only be considered the staff's fault for the amount and consistency.
SG isn't a daycare, is it?
I feel like any staff time could be better spent doing literally anything else. Tickets should be in regards to giveaway or website issues, not to complain that someone is making fun of you or something.
Just my opinion and tried to be polite as possible while still delivering my distaste.
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About the rules, i'm not calling for a witch hunt, and since the name is not so unique it would take a lot of effort for someone to actually get with the right person. As my tittle stated i'm asking if it's a new form or scam or a new way to screw people's accounts.
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No one hands out cookies on a silver platter these days.
There's always a catch. Or people just want to sell you things >:(
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Thats not scam. You are free to use this account or not. If you use it and he recover the items, so what, it wasnt your account before -.-
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Actually, you are not "free to use this account or not." Doing so would be a violation of Valve's TOS, for starters. Beyond that, you have no idea what state this account is in, or what is connected to it. Just stop and think long enough to consider what kinds of illegal activity the scammer could have been doing with this account. Anyone who takes over the account also takes over the blame for whatever the scammer has been doing with it.
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The latest scam is actually some dev publishing a game with an item that is basically exact copy of Dragon Claw hook ,. a SUPER expensive dota 2 item ... and basically scaming a bunch of people with it .
That was some next level scam tbh
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It is scary shit tho ... hope volvo do something about it.
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Not some. All the items were fake. Not only were the items fake DOTA 2 items, but the game executable and icon was changed to fake people out thinking it was from DOTA 2.
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I've just watched a SidAlpha video on similar situation, but for TF2 item... and the "culprit" game is also a monero miner apparently: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xClkx9UzsmE
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Here's a piece of advice for you: Never. Ever. Trust. Russians.
It's in their blood to scam, steal and lie. Telling this from personal experience, had to deal with them a lot...
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that's kind of racist.
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
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That is still a very commonly shared experience. Сука блять
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I am reminded of my friends from Nigeria. The subject of scam emails came up, one day, and they were suddenly all very "animated." I am guessing that nobody hates Nigerian scammers as much as the Nigerians do as they take serious offense to those who tarnish their people's reputation.
(The Nigerian people are actually quite nice and very sociable.)
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My 3 flatmates from 2 other African countries all agreed on that Nigerian and Somalian people are the worst Africa has to offer. It's just a simple fact that poorer countries with more corruption produce many more scammers than a richer countries with working legal system. Nothing to do with the people themselves, most people are as nice as people can be anywhere, but most people aren't trying to sell you stuff on Steam either for example. It will become not so nice easier when money is involved. I've met and had fun with plenty of Russians too IRL, but that doesn't mean I'm going to trust them in online trading.
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If you have Nigerian friends you should ask them if they've heard of Sakawa. There is a thing called Sakawa in Ghana (similar things exist in Togo, Burkina Faso, and Benin) which was inspired by their scams and involves scamming/fraud like the Nigerian 419 Scam (the meme everyone knows that started as junk mail IRL then moved onto e-mail after the internet started) and other criminal activities with a type of bush voodoo (bush in reference to the African wilderness) they use to bless their operations.
It's been going on since before e-mail but only really came to light during the early 2010's when VICE Motherboard did a documentary on them.
It's an entire subculture that promotes scamming peoples money from richer countries so they can live their own lavish lifestyles but in order to be good at it you have to do voodoo type shit like cut off chicken heads and drink the blood and all kinds of weird shit. There's an entire movie industry there ran by them too.
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you will learn, that sharing your opinion here costs blacklists. good luck using the "forum"
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You may ban/blacklist me all you want. That won't change/hide the truth anyway.
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actualy i gave you a wl. i only said it, because i often got blacklisted when i share my opinion and thats a bit too realistic
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Yeah, this is crossing the line. You are condemning an entire nationality/ethnic group because of the actions of a percentage, and you are claiming the "cause" is genetic. That is the epitome of racism and prejudice.
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The russians that do that kind of stuff always have an angle. The good russians don't bother with this bs.
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Indians are still into phone scams.
Well, they are more or less the only ones left who are still into phone scams. Some Nigerians still do the type where they ring you and hang up immediately, hoping for a callback that quickly charges a few dollars, but actual phone call scams are still mostly just Indians.
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Have we heard of any Swiss or Norwegian scammers on Steam?
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Sure, there just is a huge difference between countries. If you scam $100, in a poor country you could support your family for a month or couple and have no risk of ever getting punished. In a rich country you can buy a candy bar or couple and might get in trouble with the law.
It's also about socialism, if the government pays you enough for doing nothing to play by their rules, you're far less tempted to use any means available to make some money. Most online scammers at least here are junkies etc career criminals who just don't care about anything and have a desperate need for extra income right now.
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You don't need perfect to see a huge difference. But yeah, politicians, corporations etc are the biggest scammers everywhere. It's just that stealing $10 is theft while stealing $10 million is tax planning or whatever lawyers made it to look like this time.
If a society takes care of their least fortunate, there is much less crime because of poverty. Kids are another thing, they might scam that candy bar because they are young and foolish. But if their parents get a call from the cops, they might face cruel and inhumane punishment like no games for a month.
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Who says they are? Most kids scam and cheat online on their own and if there is any manipulation, it's peer pressure from other kids. How many of those tribal villages where caring for each other still works have people trading on Steam is another matter as well.
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You can look up statistics on crime in different countries if you want to see the difference. If country A has 0.01% scammers and B has 0.0001% scammers, A has 100 times more scammers which is a huge difference. It has nothing at all to do with 100%.
You rebel against getting free money from the government? Well yeah some do, but they are just silly to begin with. I'll happily pay my taxes when I have a job and as happily take free money when I don't. If I didn't get free money and couldn't find a job, that's when I might start thinking about scamming others just to survive.
There are still more % of scammers in some countries than others even if there is some % in each. No amount of idealism can argue with simple facts based on statistics. There is a reason why one type of scam is called Nigerian for example, because their laws used to allow it freely. Laws also protect people from crime to some extent, not only cause them harm. If you live in China or Russia, your government is more likely to give you a medal for scamming capitalist American pigs than you ever getting in trouble with the law for it.
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That's why I'm talking about % all this time, not numbers. Crime statistics are usually number of crimes per 100 thousand people or something similar. So they really tell how common it is to do crimes, not how many people live somewhere. And there are huge differences between different countries. Anything else is idealism, imagining that the rest of the world is as nice as you might be while facts tell a totally different story.
Here's an example for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Would you feel safer in El Salvador with 82.84 people out of 100.000 murdered or in Monaco with 0.00 per 100.00?
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To make it absolutely clear, would you rather live in 40s Nazi Germany or modern Norway if you believe every place is equal in every way. I guess you need to live in a Nordic country before you get that some systems just work better than others. There are reasons why we're on top of all the wellbeing/freedom/education/etc charts.
Perhaps not coincidentally, Freedom House's top 10 countries in 2018 also match rather well with Forbes' list of the 10 happiest countries in 2018."
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You are the one who clearly doesn't understand what I'm talking about.
Which means just because one person is doing things like scamming, doesn't mean everyone in said country is that way.
Exactly what I have been trying to get through to you with things like
You can look up statistics on crime in different countries if you want to see the difference. If country A has 0.01% scammers and B has 0.0001% scammers, A has 100 times more scammers which is a huge difference. It has nothing at all to do with 100%.
Stop making everything black and white, there are other % of scammers than 0% like you like to assume and 100% like you like to assume I mean. After this I will just assume you're saying no country has any scammers ever. You never said it but I never said 100% either, so that would make this equally silly.
I could never live in USA because it's so far from actual freedom that it's closer to Russia than a Nordic country. You have the right to own assault rifles and rocket launchers so you can shoot at the government when they come to take all your rights away and ship you to Cuba to be tortured, that's about it. Move here and you will experience true freedom and human rights. And stop believing in your governments silly propaganda about socialism, that went out of fashion with the Soviet Union already.
Clearly you care very little about facts, a very common problem with idealistic people, they live in their own bubble and ignore things outside it.
And stop reading your fake news press https://rsf.org/en/ranking
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So as a libertarian you think taxes should only be used to arm the government against it's citizens rather than on education, healthcare and welfare? I sure hope you're not holding your breath waiting for that system to produce anything else than more violence and death.
Your amendment rights are a joke, nothing more. Just because you live in a 3rd world country that oppresses any real human rights doesn't mean anyone elsewhere should want that system.
You care about facts by yet ignore them when they don't suit your own idealistic agenda? That's very common but not right in any way. You need to also learn to accept facts that disagree with your beliefs to say that. Like different countries with different laws and society producing different amounts of scammers.
Socialism has been proven to work by the actual results it yields in freedom, happiness, human rights etc. Your 2 party system has been proven to only produce massive violence machine going around the globe killing people to bring them freedom. It's also just 1 party above Communism unlike any civilized country that can have dozens of different parties. I know you also have some token ones to make it look better, but when have any of them been in power?
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That's just what you imagine about your country because you haven't experienced anything better. Just say Patriot act 3 times and all your rights are thrown in the gutter. Or whatever they renamed it this time to justify being tortured as your only right.
http://theoatmeal.com/comics/america says it all much better than I could. :)
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Well, good luck with the idealism, my bet is that like many others it will never work. Or has there been a society with absolutely no rules or enforcement of them that has worked ever in the history of mankind? There are several socialistic societies today that produce better results than most other systems. A proven fact, not blind idealism thinking that if only everyone was like me then everything would be good.
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Yes every system works if you're alone. The problem is having a working system for millions of people.
Why would it fail? It's not like some part of people is only paying for the other part. They are paying so everyone's kid has an equal chance in free education, everyone gets free or cheap healthcare, people who lose their jobs don't starve, elderly are taken care of and such things. People choose to work and pay taxes on their own, nobody is forcing them to do that. We've already had several generations of this and it's actually the old people who like it less than young.
I don't believe in any -ism except realism, just saying this system has been proven to work by actual results. Your libertarian idealism hasn't been proven to work. As a realist, I like to support the system that works better in reality. And if you dislike living somewhere where people are free and happy, you could try Russia next.
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http://worldhappiness.report/ed/2017/
The USA is a story of reduced happiness. In 2007 the USA ranked 3rd among the OECD countries; in 2016 it came 19th. The reasons are declining social support and increased corruption (see Chapter 7) and it is these same factors that explain why the Nordic countries do so much better.
But I guess all stats are pure lies no matter what. I'm still happy I live in an actual democracy.. :)
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Enough random people from all population segments to make it statistically valid enough.
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It's included in the reports:
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You need to look up how gallups and other polls work, they could never ask everyone so they ask enough people representing all kinds of groups of people to make it match the whole population closely enough. Then you need to look up how probability math works for statistics giving them a certain error margin that gets lower with more people asked. Or read up about it on the site of the organization that does them: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nhis/index.htm
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This sub-discussion seems to have gone way off the rails, and I know people get passionate when discussing politics, but you two seem to have kept the discussion civil thus far. Please be sure to keep your self-control.
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I guess there is very little left to discuss anyways, since views on some things are so different. And I'm not that passionate about politics, they are quite boring, but at least I managed to hopefully get something out of all this. :)
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You think it was founded on freedom because only rich white people could vote and had the right to shoot everyone stepping on their yard. I think it was founded on genocide of the original owners and funded by slavery. Nothing says freedom like a god given right to kill and enslave everyone you want as long as you are Happy.
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Just pointing out what the freedom your country was founded on really was. So talking about founding fathers and constitution means you're approving it just because in modern times the slaves are called illegal Mexicans or minimum wage workers working 2 jobs and still barely surviving instead. Nothing to be proud of and not any kind of real freedom. Rome did that already quite a bit earlier and it could be said that they were quite civilized for their time.
You are missing the point that in a real democracy government is the people, in good and bad. But I guess that's hard to understand with as corrupt government as yours, which is why happiness has gone down the hill there. Only people who like corruption are the ones benefiting from it. A working constitution would change with the times and not be stuck hundreds of years in the history. The only reason you needed all those weapons back then is to shoot at the British if they ever come to get their tea back. Is that an issue still so you need to spend trillions on weapons of mass destruction and go massacre people all over the globe for your own financial benefit?
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No, most of those would be just fine, I just disagree with you about having them in your country. You often need to step outside a bubble to see things clearly. Aren't countries Authoritarian as well? There should be only single people, not any group of them being represented as a country.
I like the fact that we're on top of the fake well-being charts most of the time even if we lose to some dirty swedes or barrels of oil a bit.
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No you got it all reversed. I disagree with you about your country having them now so I'd like you to have more of them is what I meant. But I guess enough of this for now, let the thread die already. :)
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HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM I WONDER
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If someone write Russian, block him for safety of your own account.
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Uhm, if you already play Dota, why would you play it on his account instead of your own?
Besides the scam attempt, this doesn't make any sense to me.
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It will probably hack your elections as thousand little Putins burst from your screen, scattering around and sending GLONASS positions to the secret Soviet 2.0 command center beneath Lake Vostok, designating your home as the new Polygon, after which you have like couple hours of life left before everything you have and love will burn.
At least that's what happened to me the last time a Russian dude gave me his Neopets account
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if you're not paying for the product, you are the product
just keep it in mind always
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So, somebody just added me and start to tell me something in Russian. Basically he asked me if i play dota, wich i do, and then tells me that i can be trusted and he will give me his account with 2 months of Dota+ (~5$usd) and all the cosmetics in the acc.
I don't know if this is a new way to ban accounts or something, because one of my friends traded something and the guy reported him, and his acc was locked, and he can't trade anymore. I din't even open the account to see if this works.
What do you think?
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