write it again, cause fucking server
Thats the guess-part, if someone did a one time fault in the past, and since then nothing wrong...there is no reason for reroll, but here are members that violated the rules multiple times, traded their gifts....and those are also back after a couple of weeks....and I really disagree with the opinion, that some have here, that thouse should be reintegrated into the community as a full member
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It always comes down to guess-part. No system will always be right. Some ppl need more mistakes to learn than others. Some will always look to game the system.
It all goes down to how much trust debt were willing to give as community i guess. Or cg, since hes law round here.
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Agreed: if the offense was bad enough to get perma-banned, the user should have been; if not, after they've done their time, they should be reintegrated into the community as a full member. And when there is a genuine risk of future harm, there's a feedback system (e.g., reporting and the feedback system for trades). There's also personal blacklisting, for whatever reasons you choose.
You're thinking, "Oh I just want to protect myself." But in general this kind of thinking is just as perverse in real life as it is here. This is why we have high rates of recidivism, for instance: felons have to wear a scarlet letter on every job application, so they don't get an opportunity to change their circumstances, and lo and behold they turn back to crime. I don't mean to get ranty, but a violation is either ban worthy or its not, and perma-shaming or branding non-ban-worthy rule-breakers is barbaric.
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That all depends on whether you think the punishments handed out by the establishment's justice system do truly fit the crime.
If a justice system "punished" child abusers with a single night in prison, would you consider the guilty parties to have "done their time" once they had served this arbitrary sentence?
I'd say that justice and redemption are a very subjective thing, and certainly not as straightforward and binary an issue as you suggest. Still, it's all about opinions, and I respect your enthusiasm for re-integrating even the worst offenders into the fold. For people who have very bad track records, however, I'm unconvinced that any length of "served time" would persuade me not to attempt a re-roll or, if it came to it, to hand over a game against my better judgement.
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Good points all around: endorsing a system totally depends on the fairness of the system. Gotham City needs Batman, for instance, and we're all glad that John Wayne shot Liberty Valance. And of course there are people who are beyond redemption, like the Joker or James Holmes, for reasons of either nature or nurture or both. And we shouldn't be blind to evidence of current risks. But to presume that someone will behave badly without good evidence to that effect is a nasty way to live.
Thanks for engaging!
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I've reported things I've found, for which people had already been given "timeouts" in the past apparently. At those times, the staff in charge left a quick note it was already done before, when closing the ticket.
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www.steamgifts.com/discussion/LfhYJ/some-suggestions-and-a-little-rant-updated
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I'm sorry for hijacking this thread, but I just made some giveaways and it seems like one of the winners has not activated some of his previous giveaways. Should/can I ask for a reroll because of this? I used sgtools and I also checked my self. Also the last time he didn't activate was a year ago, but should I still ask for a reroll? (I haven't sent the gift yet)
Edit: So when I click the reroll button I can choose "did not activate win in last month" as an option. Since the not activated wins are more than a month back, I guess I can't reroll? Please help Guys =/
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You can ask for a reroll. Even if the non activated wins are older than a month, you'll get a reroll if the user hasn't been suspended yet.
It works like this :
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Thanks.
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