Was it useful for you?
There's no need for a script, we already have a twitter account announcing every boss. https://twitter.com/SteamSaleEvents
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I'm not using Twitter and I bet I'm not the only one. If you don't find it useful feel free not to use it. I felt it was a nice incentive for those on the brink of cheating just for the sake of leveling up.
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First of all chill. You're being aggressive for no reason. Secondly, since you obviously don't like it, feel free to move on and have fun with wtv you feel like using. I'm not forcing anyone to give up on using cheats, or do something they don't want. So I don't see any point in having this discussion.
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Also thanks for your blacklist.
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OP is right, not everyone wants to enter twitter and saying "there is no need" for something others did is kind of idiotic imo, like, the world does not revolves around you or what you think the world needs.
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It's not cheating. It's not different than checking the game for the boss message. It does nothing else than letting you know there's a boss. You can ignore it or go play the game. It takes no action whatsoever in your stead.
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There are different degrees to it as well. It's not just black or white. It's one thing to get a notification of something and another entirely to actually automate the entire mechanics of the game to where it plays itself and you don't even have to do anything basically.
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Since using cheats takes all the fun away
That's assuming there was any fun in this game in the first place :x
Anyway, thanks for this, I won't use it since I'd rather eat burning pebbles than play Saliens again, but it might be useful for people who are still commited to it.
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I'd rather eat burning pebbles than play Saliens again
That made me laugh ;) Nice one.
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It's funny how the cheaters are the ones pointing fingers towards my little harmless helper. Tell me you got the Salien Rank 6 badge by honest means. Give me a break.
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Fair point but what accomplishment or achievement is there in using a script that does everything for you? None, that's what. It's empty. Given that boss spawns are random and unpredictable and those battles only last about 15-20 minutes with it yielding less points the later you join in, it 's not really practical to expect someone not to seek out a way to find them easier. Not doing so would entail literally spending 24/7 waiting around and checking constantly for a boss spawn. At the same time it is very doable to actually play those boss fights oneself and achieve a higher ranking if one is so inclined, without the need for a script.
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No, it is black and white. You either use tools that give you unfair advantage compared to other people, or you don't. There is no middle ground of "I use only X that gives me unfair advantage but only a little". Whether it's a moral or acceptable thing to cheat is entirely different matter, as some games (especially this one) are made to be botted. A helper script does not offer you advantage over other players of any kind, such as ESGST function that shows whether game is bundled or not (doesn't affect your chances of winning). This script definitely does that.
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Nope, there absolutely are different degrees to it.
If I bragged that I created an amazing breakfast that my robot maid actually did all of the legwork for then that would different than if they only notified me that I was out of certain ingredients that I went and bought and then actually performed the labor of cooking the breakfast myself. Silly example, but that's two different degrees and there are others in between as well.
edit: Oh and for the record my argument was never about any perceived advantage over other players or the chances of winning the prizes. It has to do with personal accomplishment (or lack thereof).
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False conclusion on your part. If you want to debate something then make an effort to present a real argument in your own words, otherwise there's no point. It's not unlike the shortcut that one takes by automating the entire process of the Saliens game from beginning to end with a script. The best way to get somewhere is not always the shortest or easiest path. Sometimes things can become lost in the process. And that can extend to a lot of things in life (and not just some silly game).
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Cheating in video games involves a video game player using non-standard methods to create an advantage or disadvantage beyond normal gameplay, in order to make the game easier or harder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_video_games
What is there to discuss? It's not up to debate whether this script is a cheat or not, since it clearly offers unfair advantage. You can debate how big of a cheat it is and how it compares to others, sure, but it doesn't change the fact that it is a cheat, not a "helper" or "legit" script. If you want to say "this is the smallest cheat for this game that has ever existed" then I can even probably agree with you, but don't try to make stealing of an apple not a crime just because it wasn't a car.
(This is also an example of right analogy, since the scale of cheating doesn't change you being a cheater, same as scale of robbery doesn't change you being a thief)
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That's not the issue I was raising. There are different degrees of thievery, aren't there?? Just as there are different degrees of crimes in general. And likewise to cheating (to which you falsely claimed there was not). My point was about severity and it's implications and not just a narrow black and white 'yes' or 'no' determination, which there any many things that cannot be quantified or defined in such simple terms. You are trying too hard to operate like a logic circuit instead of using common sense. All Math and Science, no Philosophy.
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Tzaar: For some reason, he believes one is cheating while the other isn't.
You: That's fine but as I said above it is not just black or white. There are different levels to it.
Whether his script is a cheat or not, is black and white, and I refered directly to this response and not to any "scale" of cheating. Whether one is cheating or not is as black and white as you can ask for, because you either use third-party tools that offer you unfair advantage, or you do not. There is no middle ground about this and there is no "debate" of any kind - you either play the way it's supposed to be played, or not. And if you do not, only then you can define on which "level" of cheating you are, but that's not my concern in this thread at all. OP is a hypocrite by saying that his script is not a cheat, it doesn't matter how "little" or "big" the cheat actually is. Common sense is not in contradiction with logic - if you do not see his script as a cheat, then that's your subjective opinion that stands in direct contradiction with a definition of "cheat" - this is not a common sense, this is making up your own definitions. You can't say that Earth circles around Mars and call it common sense, this is what people in medieval ages did, just with Sun instead. You can debate about cheat's complexity, moral basis or whether it's allowed or not, because all of those things are indeed up to discussion, but not whether something is a cheat.
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Obviously you are the holder of all truths and whomever holds a different opinion is wrong. Twisting and warping facts to suit your needs comes as a second nature while everything you claim must be the real truth. You must be fun at parties.
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So if I don't use any script but I scan Twitter for boss announcements is that cheating?? Or what if I am actually playing the game (crazy idea, right?) and I get news about bosses from friends? Now is that cheating?? Where does one draw the line as to what is an unfair advantage or not?? And so on and so forth there are so many potentially different scenarios that have so much subjectivity to them that you can't sit there and tell me that there aren't different levels or layers to it, and it's no different in society or in real life with respect to how something is judged as criminal or otherwise (or even literally anything remotely controversial for that matter) and to what degree it is. That's all my point was. It's nowhere near black & white and most things in life and in the human world we have created aren't. If you can't understand that then you've been sitting behind a computer for too long.
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No, it is black and white. You either use tools that give you unfair advantage compared to other people, or you don't. There is no middle ground of "I use only X that gives me unfair advantage but only a little". Whether it's a moral or acceptable thing to cheat is entirely different matter, as some games (especially this one) are made to be botted.
You seem pretty angry that people can play the game without using bots.
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You seem very butthurt and affected by this little helper. Chill and move on.
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I'll move on once you answer my question, since I'm not sure how I should respond when I don't know your mental state. Falsely believing that you're being attacked by angry people just because of a disagreement or having a different opinion is quite serious brain defect that can heavily impact your life. I wouldn't like to contribute to that.
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I'll move on once you answer my question, since I'm not sure how I should respond when I don't know your mental state. Falsely believing that you're being attacked by angry people just because of a disagreement or having a different opinion is quite serious brain defect that can heavily impact your life. I wouldn't like to contribute to that.
So you go that far as name calling me and insulting me in a very serious manner I might add. You seem to be very full of yourself and anyone not agreeing with you must be insane. You should look into that.
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I'm not insulting you, I'm seriously concerned about your medical condition if you see my posts as personal attacks full of "anger" and "butthurt". Everybody is telling you the same, yet you deny the truth, seeing all of us as some huge group of enemies. Joseph Stalin had similar issue, especially after gaining the power. Perhaps you should take a break and reevaluate your condition.
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OK, you went too far. I don't think I have anything more to discuss with someone who can't write a sentence without insulting me. Also a piece of friendly advice: you should stop thinking the world revolves around you.
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The only one who seems "butthurt" here is you, dude. You go flinging shit around, eventually you're gonna get some on ya. ;)
No one really cares who does or doesn't have the badge. They just want one for themselves, and no one is going to think any more or less of someone who has or doesn't have it.
It meant enough to you that you wrote a script to help you get it. So yeah, perhaps you should consider laying off the people who are using scripts to get the same badge you're using a script to get. Something to think about.
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I'm not using the script. And if you read the OP you would have seen that. But it's easier to throw shit at someone without reading the facts. And take it a notch down with your dude thing.
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That doesn't indicate that you're not using the script. It indicates that you're not using a bot, and this thread is evidence enough that you believe the two different enough to be given separate terms.
You seem pretty angry that people can play the game without using bots.(to Archi)
But you're okay with people using your script. So yes, I stand by what I said (despite your petty insults).
Have a nice and pleasant night! :D
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But you're okay with people using your script.
Again, for the nth time: all it does is refresh the valve page. It's the same thing as having the game window open only that instead of showing the warning sign when the boss appears all the page goes green. The game tells you when a boss is available and so does this. If this is a cheat then the game is also a cheat. As you can hopefully see this is galaxies away from being a bot. It's nothing more than a harmless helper.
But whenever people see the word "script" they imagine lots of shady things going on behind the scenes. It's nothing shady and it doesn't even require any permissions whatsoever. I'm not using it because I don't need it. I play occasionally and the bosses I beat from time to time are enough for my level up.
I've seen many people saying "I don't want to cheat using a bot but I want the level 6 badge". This is aimed towards them as an incentive so they can play the game themselves.
Have a nice and pleasant night! :D
Here, it's a lovely working day. Have a good night!
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´"All it does is cheat a little bit. That's so little it's not cheating because I drew a line in water where I wanted it and this fits inside the line. Everything else that cheats bit more is cheating because I said so!" is something only a dirty cheater would ever say.
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Well at least you admit it so there's that. I'm not promoting anything. I just made available a little helper that aims against using bots and encourages people to play the game themselves.
I'm not calling people using scripts cheaters I'm calling people using bots cheaters. Playing the game yourself is a thing while having a program play it for you is a very distinct thing.
Also having the game window open to see the exclamation mark that appears when a boss is available is the same thing as having my script open. My script only makes it bigger and easier to notice. I think it's a very big difference between a cheat and a helper.
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Not sure what you're talking about but all I got were blacklists and several annoyed cheaters. Meh, doing a good deed never goes unpunished :)
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Doing a good deed has nothing to do with being a hypocrite. If I'm using ASF to idle cards, I'm not saying that I'm against bot users. Calling other alternatives cheats while presenting your own script that does exactly the same thing in exactly the same way and promoting it as more "legit" than others is a hypocrisy.
Cheating in video games involves a video game player using non-standard methods to create an advantage or disadvantage beyond normal gameplay, in order to make the game easier or harder.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_video_games
Doesn't matter at this point how "little" or "big" your cheat is, it matches the definition perfectly.
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Don't be like that. You may make them fall off their high horse ;)
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I'm being called a hypocrite by a cheater. Yes, you are. At least I played the game myself and not by having a bot do it for me like you. But to each their own. But from that to calling me a hypocrite for making available a little helper that takes no action and does nothing else than encouraging people to play the game by themselves is a big leap.
It seems cheaters are pretty butthurt for genuine players being able to reach level 6 badge by legit means. They weren't expecting all their effort to go to waste. It's actually entertaining watching all the backlash coming from cheaters.
Calling other alternatives cheats while presenting your own script that does exactly the same thing in exactly the same way
No it doesn't do the same thing at all and you know it. At least I expect you to know it.
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But from that to calling me a hypocrite for making available a little helper that takes no action and does nothing else than encouraging people to play the game by themselves is a big leap.
I'm calling you a hypocrite for your attitude towards other solutions and false logic, not because you created something. In fact, you creating the script doesn't even matter for this. You could erase half of your post and I'd still call you a hypocrite. I'm not sure if you understand that your authorship over it doesn't affect your invalid logic.
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I'm calling you a hypocrite for your attitude towards other solutions and false logic, not because you created something. In fact, you creating the script doesn't even matter for this. You could erase half of your post and I'd still call you a hypocrite.
Yes, because refreshing a valve page is a cheat but having an automated solution that plays for you is the way to do it because "some games (especially this one) are made to be botted". Aren't you being a hypocrite yourself?
Give me a break and don't be so butthurt. All the cheaters insist it can't be done without bots or automated scripts and look and behold it can. And this drives them mad because all of the time they invested into it. Pathetic.
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Yes, because refreshing a valve page is a cheat but having an automated solution that plays for you is the way to do it because "some games (especially this one) are made to be botted"
I never said that, but I'll help you make up for your mistake by leaving a bunch of useful links for fixing your logic.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_premise
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I never said that
Let me refresh your memory. Your words:
No, it is black and white. You either use tools that give you unfair advantage compared to other people, or you don't. There is no middle ground of "I use only X that gives me unfair advantage but only a little". Whether it's a moral or acceptable thing to cheat is entirely different matter, as some games (especially this one) are made to be botted.
And to be clear about this, having the game window open, by your logic, must also mean having an unfair advantage compared to other people not having the game open.
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And to be clear about this, having the game window open, by your logic, must also mean having an unfair advantage compared to other people not having the game open.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/False_analogy
In particular, having a game window open is no way makes an analogy to running a third-party addon.
BTW, I forgot to link your initial argument of "I'm being called a hypocrite by a cheater", it's Tu quoque, it could help you too.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superiority_complex
It takes no special skill to link to definitions on the internet. It would be funny to watch a debate on Television where that's what they did to present arguments.
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"I'm against cheats... I've decided to write a little script"
Hypocrite
No, hypocrites are the ones like you, using bots to reach level 6 that probably expected their level 6 Saliens badge to hold a special meaning of how badass they were to reach it. And now that everyone can reach level 6, by honest means, all the cheaters started swarming around and pointing fingers on how bad I am for writing this helper. Pathetic.
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It's only people like you that rage about others cheating that seem to imagine the 200XP badge has some special value. To others it's just 200XP which a fraction of a level, nothing more.
Says someone having his 6 years old Steam account Level 503 to me having my 4 year old account level 24. Who's the one giving special value to leveling up between us? And I'm being called a hypocrite. Geez.
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I can say same. I used bot for helping myself. The script i used only manage to click, point and change levels, by that i could rest my fingers and I could do others works other that this mindless game.I do not used any sort of cheat to GAIN ADVENTAGE i.e. instant level or instant badge just scripts to help.
You should see that my point of view, and yours are the same.
Its not about that you made that script its cool and I appreciate it, but its cheat that gain adventage over normal player, and saying it isnt benefiting anything and its not a cheat its just a lie.
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Valve themselves added an error message that said "update your cheats" when bosses were added, and I think people care more about them being cool with it than a random player. :P It's fine that you're offering an alternative for the masochists out there (and it's kinda cool what they did with the boss levels so I think it's worth playing it manually once) but it's not really worth getting into a cheating debate over this game in particular.
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I would have understood the reaction if it came from regular players but all the backlash comes from the ones using bots, so from the ones cheating their way around. They went as far as name calling me and insulting me over this stupid helper thing that all it does is refreshing the valve page. My blacklists skyrocketed and I'm being thrown shit at for no reason other than doing a good deed for others since I'm not even using this script. Talk about a toxic community.
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Making the helper in itself was a good deed, but your message came across like you'd made it as a way of shaming people for not playing the game the way you'd like them to play it rather than just offering it as a nice alternative. Not that there was a lack of it beforehand, but any community will be toxic if you introduce toxicity to it, even if unintentionally. :P
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your message came across like you'd made it as a way of shaming people for not playing the game the way you'd like them to play it rather than just offering it as a nice alternative.
I clearly stated: "I'm not forcing anyone to give up on using cheats, or do something they don't want."
People seem to try finding malice in everything nowadays and being toxic for no reason.
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You did say that later, and I think you've been unfortunate in some ways here and the thread devolved from what you intended, but still, first impressions count for a lot. Also you kept bringing up whether people were cheaters or not, and regardless of whether there's malicious intent in that, that does cause trouble unnecessarily.
Anyway, never mind all that - if you're still getting blacklisted, not much you can do to undo it now, but to stop it you'd probably be better off closing the thread and maybe making a new one if you still want to share the script.
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Anything which gives you an advantage while using a 3rd party is cheating. Something telling you where the boss is, is the same as something killing the saliens, both 3rd party and gives you an advanatge. So to say your boss finder isn't cheating but using a script to kill the saliens is, is just blatantly wrong.
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LOL, indeed. And when you think people even bought VPS nodes to run the bots day and night to reach their levels it's no wonder they are so butthurt about everyone being able to do it without any bots and without any hassle whatsoever.
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but play butthurt how people blacklist you
You're wrong. I actually thanked them because they are obviously people I don't want to interact with. That doesn't mean I can't use the stats on how many upset people are going to that extent to remove me from their feed. That means they were pretty pissed off. Everyone is welcome to add me to their special list. At the same time this doesn't make my previous statement any less true.
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You're still the only one butthurt here. I've already forgotten about the game because my superior cheating method got me to lvl25 ages ago. You still need to grind and grind because your cheating method just sucks. I didn't even need to buy any VPS to do it, must make you furious!
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I've already forgotten about the game because my superior cheating method got me to lvl25 ages ago. You still need to grind and grind because your cheating method just sucks.
This is awesome, someone admitting using cheats is calling me a cheater for manually playing the game. Unbelievable. I hope you don't mind if I feature your comment in the OP. This is the best one so far.
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Care to explain to me how am I a cheater by playing the game? Are you for real?
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I think enough people have already explained that simple fact to you. If you choose to ignore the opinion of others just to feel somehow morally superior and imagine they are the butthurt side, that's your choice. Or you could open your eyes and admit you're a cheater too and your farts smell bad.
"Care to explain how using this cheating script makes me a cheater?" there's a nice quote for you.
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So I play the game the way it's meant to be and you cheat but I'm a cheater. It makes me think this place is full of trolls.
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No, I played the game the way it's meant to be played, fully cheating with a bot. You're butthurt because you imagine that you know better than Valve and people should only cheat the amount you allow them, not a bit more. Stop trolling and people will stop counter-trolling you, it's usually as easy as that, no cheater script needed.
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"Since using cheats takes all the fun away"
Oh yeah, Spamming 1 is so much fun.
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If only people didn't use scripts to fight bosses as well. It feels stupid when you're the only person there.
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"Since using cheats takes all the fun away"
Oh yeah, Spamming 1 is so much fun.
Believe it or not I liked fighting against bosses and didn't spam only 1 but used all the power-ups. Also the fact that you weren't winning all the time was nice too.
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I liked it too. To be honest, I haven't used any scripts to fight the bosses. You don't need scripts to get the level 6 badge, it only takes about 30-35 boss fights. The point is I'd like it if there were actually people fighting alongside me.
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That is the point, those playing manually don't really bother with the easy levels. Scripts were the reason so many bosses could spawn.
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First of all I'm against cheats. I've noticed lots of people are using them to play the Steam's Saliens game. Since using cheats takes all the fun away and as a follow up to this post I've decided to write a little script that checks up whenever a boss is available in the game. This way you don't have to cheat and use bots and autoplayers. Since bosses give up the most XP in the game, now you only have to jump in on the game and manually beat the boss to get the XP and level up without any need for cheats. Bosses are quite fun to play against and they pop up once in a while.
The repository is located here. You only have to install this script in Tampermonkey and go to this address. When it goes from red to green it means a boss is available.
The script checks once every minute for a boss. Have fun and let me know what you think.
This is just a visual wrapper over Valve's official API and is no different than keeping the game open and looking for the in-game exclamation mark that appears when a boss is present. So those calling this a cheat can go find themselves other threads to troll.
And the best comment(s) award goes to someone admitting using cheats that is calling me a cheater for manually playing the game:
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