I still have the option to reserve a free upgrade on my taskbar.
But I'm gonna avoid Win10 til they fix the bugs.
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I recommend that u make an installation cd of win10 not sure if that tools will be there forever
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They announced we'd have access to the upgrade for a year after release a while back.
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They announced that Win 10 upgrade from 7/8/8.1 is free for a year (not from XP/Vista). After you upgrade you will have a Win 10 license that can be used to reinstall as many times as your previous license allowed (if you have an OEM license, you cannot install it to another computer).
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Sorry, let me reiterate what I wanted to say: They announced that acquiring the license is available for a year. You will be still able to access the installer after that.
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They won't delete it. Even now you can download from MS web page WIN 8 installation.
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There are no bugs in the OS itself, at least I couldn't detect any. There are some minor bugs in Edge browser and OneDrive but I don't care since I don't use both.
Windows 10 is the best OS I've ever used, I recommend it.
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I agree. I'm also loving Edge. Very slick looking and responsive.
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EDGE? I heard that edge will come later in upgrade waves. Since its unfinished when Win 10 launched.
Are u in the insider program? or the MSDN?
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Nah, I'm pretty sure Win 10 comes with Edge, but from what I hear, it's missing a lot of stuff that other browsers have. Probably they will roll out those stuff in patches later on like you said.
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+1 it comes with W10 and lacks some actual features, like bookmark transfering from HTML or selecting the download location. I'll use it when it gets updated, it's really fast and responsive.
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Welp if it's as fast as people say, I will 100% use it when they add bookmarks and sync with another browser ... and stuff like LastPass extensions.
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The big important feature with edge is that it doesnt use 50% of your CPU like chrome does atm in Windows 10
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Chrome uses no more cpu in windows 10 than it did in windows 7 for me.
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That doesn't mean it does not use 50% of your CPU :)
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I don't know about CPU, but since i just switched to Windows 10, my PC with Chrome, skype and Vuze is only using 4gb ram. On Windows 7 i was using for the same programs, same tabs opened on 7 as in 10, and it was using 6gb ram. Don't know if it's the windows itself using a lot less ram, or the programs using less ram, but i'm happy for now :D !
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they talked something about better system memory management in W10, which means, if more programs request same file to be present in memory, it loads it only once and the programs share it, unlike in previous OS's
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Oh well... that would be amazing for Chrome I guess :D. I mean Chrome does open a process for every tab XD. Maybe that's why there is a 2 gb difference XD.
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You didn't even had time to test it. Just give it some time and you will get some bigger problems ;)
I prefer to wait several months before check it, WIN 8.1 even now is not perfect especially if we speak about drivers. Now we have whole new system. But i heard that after upgrade to Win 10 it will appear some back-up with older system (avalible for 30 days) if you would want to back to previous system.
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You do know some people have been using it for months now right?
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"some". There exists milions of drivers, programs, hardwares. Even with technical preview version is impossible to catch all the problems with even thousands of people that had been using it to check new system.
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Maybe. But your previous post implied that the user couldn't possibly had time to encounter issues on their system as they hadn't used it long enough. My point may have been widespread but you were commenting on an individual's usage or lak thereof.
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Windows 10 is the best OS after Windows 7 I've ever used, I recommend it.
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Are all steam games compatible? thats the one question thats holding me back....
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I had trouble with Space Engineers in DX9 , but no problem with DX 11. All others work great. Edge is better than Chrome when running twitch.tv, less CPU usage.
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Then you'll avoid it forever. Heck, you shouldn't be using any Windows or OS in general since they all have bugs.
Let's go back to Stone Age.
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Seeing as you're able to use a computer I am going to assume you are not an idiot. So lets not pretend you thought I actually meant until it had ZERO bugs.
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Well, you never specified which bugs you were referring to, so zeroxxx'z comment was entirely valid.
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That is because I am referring to ones I was told of by my gaming community and didn't feel it necessary to explain here as I was simply stating my general opinion, not trying to start a full-blown discussion.
Little did I know being 100% specific about every situation you speak of on the internet is required.
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It wasn't valid, Windows 10 was just till now in the process of creation, what you say "bugs" were only unfinished things. Also, this windows had and have over 2 milion of users from which the data was gathered along with a "windows feedback" full of questions and demands from the users which they fixed/done/etc them all. Also, if you had problems till now with software/drivers, it wasn't a windows bug, it was a bug in your software, just get the last version of it, or wait for it if it doesn't exists, simple as that. Also, the reservation, as it's own name, "first to come, first to receive", they will upgrade from 3 windows editions, 7, 8, 8.1. If I were you, I would reserve it as fast as I can. I was an insider till now and now I got my own windows 10, but that doesn't really matters. AMD is on and up to date, nvidia should be as well, all directx works, you even get the last one. I've played till now on windows 10 ( at least 4 months ), even games which didn't worked in windows 8.1 works in 10, just go ahead and get it, it will work any game that worked on win7.
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You're overthinking this.
The bugs in question weren't specified = zeroxxx had no reason to assume he didn't mean each and every bug in the OS = the comment was valid.
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I had this issue too -You can trigger a manual download though - I had to trigger the download 8 times before it worked - then it crashed during installation and reverted back to 8.1.
So I manually triggered it AGAIN 3 times.
It downloaded again, I D/C'd my internet connection and it installed in just under an hour.
10 does include edge - the hold off is on the Cortana Voice program - and only in some countries. Apparently it has trouble understanding some accents - Australia specifically and some Euro's.
And there seems to be a pretty good jump in video performance with steam games - previously with 8.1 and DX 11, I could get 17 - 22 fps on medium in ARK with my card running at 70c to 75C.
With the new DX12, I'm getting 30 - 44fps on High and my card only hits 65C-68C.
Edge is crisper/cleaner looking - but there is no option to not install "Bing". Homepage setup can sort of clear it away, so you can go to google or whatever, but when you open edge you still autoload a "Where to next?" Page that likes to promote MS News sites etc. And with the lack of addons that means no removal of bing - YET.
Boots slightly slower than 8.1 currently but that's only because I haven't fully deactivated a lot of options yet :)
With the OS purportedly able to support 512 GB RAM in the 64bit Pro (Unconfirmed as yet - no-one I know personally has that much RAM lying around let alone a MOBO that supports that much), if true I can see a lot of upgraded boards being purchased in the near future.
I have only noticed a few utility apps that have failed to work correctly - Gigabyte Motherboard "Easy Tune 6" specifically comes up with a number of errors.
Hope this info helps.
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And what bugs are those? i have not come across any huge bugs yet,no minor ones either that i know of.
If your waiting for a bug free windows,well you might die of old age before that happens or hell freezes over.Hell even the mighty Penguin has bugs that get fixed,nothing is bug free and ever will be.
You can download the iso from Microsoft and install it without a key or upgrade to see how it works for you and if you will like it without jumping all in.
It runs faster then 8.1 and a lot faster then 7 so far i like what i see so i took leap after testing it out a bit.Also i installed 10 on a spare hd so i could keep Windows 7 intact.If you do not have an extra hd you can always make a new partition and dual boot
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me too. still looks a pretty bad idea upgrade. any news or review sources?
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a litte laggy and boots slow. I have it and it looks cool, performaces in gaming might be slightly better than 8.1
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is it possible to judge it better than 7?
the windows 8 is crap. just skip it for all possible reasons.
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Windows 8 is better than Windows 7 in almost every aspect.
Saying crap is for people who are ignorant and misinformed.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA loled hard.
let me help you to get amazed: Apple OS, in general, seems perfect for you then.
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It does. Here, a tissue.
Other than restarting when there's a system update, my iPad does not need a single restart for daily use.
Here, again, a tissue.
Stop spouting crap.
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Calling other people who may have different opinions 'ignorant and misinformed' is rude.
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just report. people like that do not worth your time.
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+1 Windows 8 is an awesome OS, a lot better than Win7 in many aspects
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Yes, Windows 8 is crap, but windows 8.1 is superiour in every way to 7 and 8 (but if you have a mid-low config, 7 will be better for your framerates, 8.1 is the best for high-end). 8.1 is smooth and fast, just get PRO N with latest updates and see for yourself.
As for 10, I do believe it will be the best, but not yet, not in day 1 or until they update it. It will have some issues for some until they fix it.
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I had worst overall performance on every notebook (Intel i5/i7 4nd gen with dedicated Radeon 8800M/Nvidia model-that-I-don't remember) that I've had with Windows 8 then updated to 8.1. at some point, I just give up to try... It just didn't fit on my needs.
When I downgrade to Windows 7, I instantly felt like I was working with a PC again. On Windows 8 retty bad UI for mouse use porpouses with a lot of unused space... They just got the worst of Apple OS and got nothing good from previous Windows versions.
Fortunately, most of them are announced back on Windows 10... (there's where my hope is)
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A 8.1 pro n version out of the box was the best; also, you could downgrade your start program and tweak it a little bit, getting rid of all the tablet UI and features.
In 10 they combined old Start with the new one; looks very good imo. Minor tablet features are still there but the interface got much better.
I also installed fresh windows 10 on another laptop (same model as mine but 2gb less ram) and the freezes and other trouble that I had with this one were not present at all. fast boot, fast responses, fast everything.
So if you plan on installing it, do it fresh. avoid upgrading. Then disable that sh1tload of microsoft options to monitor your data, including the 'torrent' option of Windows Updates (that let you upload to others without consent)
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great tip. thank you. i'm really looking foward to clean installation too...
still, i'm concerned about that privacy issue. it seems to be a big opening to some advertising too.
i don't know... there's a catch somewhere in this "free" edition...
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If you upgrade, it's kinda free, if you clean install it requires a cd-key. You just really have to look carefully to turn off everything. As for privacy, they always let us pirate it. If they would, they could make an uncrackable windows, but that's not good for any of us. Every major company tracks you, you just have to protect yourself, especially if you're going to do something bad, haha.
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i'm a lawyer so... i'm always going to do something bad (for good porpouses obviously). AHAHAHA
to be honest, considering what you said, i do prefer to pay the cd key just for the clean install... without even think about it.
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Got it reserved but no new notifications since then.
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Nice, thanks. I'll install it on VMware to try it out; Hopefully it'll be better than when I tried windows 8
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is it your birthday? is that why you have a cake on your nick name?
(seems obvious but i have to confirm - still newbie)
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I'd rather not upgrade to windows 10 because of the privacy issue... https://i.imgur.com/BsLARf3.jpg
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I think, that nobody would install it after looking on this link...
thank you for the link
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Thanks for that, I was just about to start downloading Windows 10...
I'm surely staying with 7 now !
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Just disable it, you puss.
It's so low to think that only win10 does that to you.
Every version did this (vista+) and almost every operating sistem, steam, your phone os, everything. you can limit them
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Didn't you read you can't in non-enterprise versions? Geez.
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I doubt he knows what it even means. He probably thinks his free upgrade is the Enterprise edition.
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So if don't have a visual button you think it's not possible? Yeah, I'll have fun beign ignorant and wrong and you have fun with an operating system designed by yourself or by a company that does not list their doings.
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What do you think google does? Your Current OS? Steam? Your Smart phone? Microsoft already has access/knows everyone on your outlook and Skype because, guess what, they're Microsoft too. Windows 10 is just designed to work with skype and outlook/hotmail.
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That can be disabled in the installation sequence - and really - as previously stated by others, it exactly what cookies from AMD/NVidia/Google/Amazon/Facebook do. Android Phone? Same crap different flavour. IoS? For crying out loud they collect your damn fingerprints and retinal patterns for an unsecured international database!
Face it. if you use anything other than a water wheel for power and a pushbike for travel - you are stuck in the system and there's nothing you can do to stop your government from looking at your life.
Welcome to the 21st Century.
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I will wait to see if this is true: https://imgur.com/BsLARf3
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It is true!
I'm just waiting to make sure how bad it is. You can't avoid such stuff with Google/Yahoo/MS/Apple all doing such things nowadays
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Then no windows 10 for me. I am actually thinking of switching to linux and have a partition with windows 7 just for games which do not work on linux. I just have to find the right linux :D
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good choice :)
Although I will suggest to wait a month or so to get the full picture. Maybe MS will go back on the telemetry issue with all the backlash. maybe someone will create a counter-service app to block telemetry connections :D After, MS do declare the ports through which the service communicates.
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They probably will. Remember Xbox One? They go big to retract some back later and appear that they listen. But I want all of them removed or be off by default.
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They might, but it's unlikely. They might also say they "removed" their spying tools by hiding the options to control them from view.
If you're worried about that kind of stuff, Linux really is the best choice. It's got plenty of games at this point, there's also WINE and you can always keep a Windows machine around as a "console" to handle your Windows-only titles.
EDIT: and we're forgetting that the reason Microsoft went back on their Xbox One descisions is because they were seeing major competition from the PS4. With Windows, well, they have nearly complete market dominance. People who love to respond to Linux threads or comments with "lol use Windows, Linux isnt a real OS" are only feeding into that. So long as everyone uses Windows, Microsoft has no reason to cave into any demands or petitions. They'll just keep doing whatever the fuck they want.
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I will wait one month and a few days. See what is going on with the windows 10. If I am not satisfied, I will start slowly migrating to linux. Until then I will try a few to see what suits me. In a month most of the information will be cleared and we can have a good view of what is happening. It is most likely that I will switch, but I'll wait and see. My windows 7 are good for now.
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In the past my only concern for linux was steam games. With steam os now more and more games are turning into linux too so no problem there.
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start with ubuntu... it's great for new to linux :)
then you should freely choose your desirable distro :D
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On one hand, I want to say "it's not like you didn't give all that data to google already, what's wrong with giving it to MS too".
On the other hand, they made Solitaire a F2P game (yeah, I know it was on W8 too, but then it was optional install, now it's installed by default), so I'm really not sure what other ideas MS might get.
When people joked "DX12 will be like Xbox Live Gold - on monthly subscription", nobody thought MS might decide it is a good idea. Now it wouldn't surprise me...
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To tell you the truth I don't care if they know about my hardware, but there are things that I cannot let slide, like... they can have access to any file, whether private or not and other stuff like this. AND all of these are on by default. I don't think google messes with my files (or maybe they are and if so pls inform me to delete chrome :D)
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That's why they are offering "free upgrades". Microsoft data collection scheme in action.
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From MS ToS:
We will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to protect our customers or enforce the terms governing the use of the services.
“good faith” of corporations? I’m not even sure such a thing exists.
I'll try to keep updating this reply with links to opt-out or disable what ever is possible from user side to avoid MS snooping.
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The only faith I know they have is that many ppl will not read the TOS.
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Great, thank you for the links. I'd also recommend everybody to disable Wifi sense
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Without purchasing or pirating the Enterprise edition you cannot turn off telemetry data transmission. Telemetry data will contain information on your physical location and over time will track and correlate your habits. Microsoft is obviously planning to help watch everyone in this Age of Big Data.
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Well, they were the first to jump into Prism, so it doesn't surprise me. We seriously need to fight back over this stuff, and part of that is not using Windows 10, unfortunately. Looks like a Linux only future for me.
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I'm waiting for M$ to roll out my copy and seeing what people find out about the system while waiting. That said the moment they give me my reserved copy I'm switching to Windows 10, because my Win 7 is so old and has so many bugs right now that I can barely stop myself from downloading it right now.
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my Win 7 is so old and has so many bugs right now
Please elaborate.
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2 or 3 years since I reinstalled my windows, and I'm one of those people that don't ever run a defragment or anything like that... Biggest thing that made me just reinstall my windows to 10 is that sites were literally broken. Some sites I just could not browse, it loaded some of the elements of the site, but most of the site was broken, and every day another site was broken for me like that ( on every browser... ). 3 Anti virus programs said I had no viruses, malware or anything of the sort. I have no idea what the actual problem was, but it's fine after a clean Windows 10 install.
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I won't upgrade to Win10 for now. I'm not the only one using this computer, and I'm not willing to teach everything again and to hear the same questions all over again(it took 9 months for her to learn how to delete friends in FB, even tho she's the only that uses FB here).
And because of privacy issues
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Windows 10 is made to spy on people and collect data. That's why they're giving it for free. Stay the fuck away from it.
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This post makes me happy/hopeful. At least someone else isn't blind. :)
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Funny, people get mad on Microsoft spying on them, yet Apple and Google are allready doing it for years :D. Awesome.
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The vapidity of your reply clearly shows your lack of understanding on the situation.
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If you say so, be so kind and share your understanding of the situation so that i may get a tiny bit smarter.
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Required for Apple: Install OS X, install Little Snitch.
Required for Google: If you're using ChromeOS I feel bad for you son. If you're speaking in general browsing terms, no one makes you use Google or its products/services and with simple browser extensions any *.google-analytics.com hits can be completely blocked.
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Maybe this is just me, but I have things in my private folders that are much more sensitive than what I would have in a phone or browser.
Full PC/OS spying seems way worse in my eyes.
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Considering there's nothing that's using DX12, the rampant privacy issues that will never be fixed because MS wants to send everything the US gov, the fact that it's built like 8.1 and 8.1 is made for tablets makes me more likely to move over to a GNU/Linux build and use WINE to run things that work through it.
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page says, "If you will be installing the operating system for the first time, you will need your Windows product key (xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx). For more information about product keys and when they are required"
so here they mention about Win7/Win8 keys or WIn10?
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you have to go through the upgrade process to use a windows 7/8 key. The only key you can input into the installation is a windows 10 key (since they're selling those too), a lot of people are downloading the files, doing a clean install, then being really angry that their windows 7/8 key doesn't work to activate.
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yes once you do the upgrade you can go back and do a clean install at that point
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Is there any truth to; if you go for the upgrade (and don't revert in the 30 days) then your key/license is only valid for windows10 from then on.
ie can't reinstall a retail copy of win 7/8.1 using its cd key anymore, will be stuck with 10?
More and more I'm thinking I'll hold off till new pc and consider getting a copy of 10 then, but keep my 7, maybe even get a copy of 8.1, unupgraded just in case.
I get the impression there won't be anykind of sp1/ .1 for win10, Often thought it's best till hold off till that point because then the os's are solid and tweaks been made from feedback. Win 10 though I think they'll charge at the sp1/.1 point. Either a sub or pay per upgrade.
Those privacy policy's and defaults are disgusting.
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I know you have the 30 days to revert back but I've heard some claiming after that after that the key/license will no longer work for your old windows. :-/
Just can't find the basis for that so not sure if it's just scare mongering. Why this upgrades coming across I don't find it difficult to believe tho.
[edit] all could find is from here http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/wiki/insider_wintp-insider_install/frequently-asked-questions-windows-10/5c0b9368-a9e8-4238-b1e4-45f4b7ed2fb9
"If you upgrade from a OEM or retail version of Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 to the free Windows 10 upgrade this summer, the license is consumed into it. Because the free upgrade is derived from the base qualifying license, Windows 10 will carry that licensing too."
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By the sounds of your edit, it seems like the upgrade eats your old key. I wouldn't do it unless you are 100% sure you're OK with losing your Win7/8 key.
Not worth it imo.
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Hmm. Yea between this, privacy stuff, I wouldn't use cortana and wont get much from dx12. I'll stick with what I've got for now.
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either way, windows converts even retail keys to oem, so if you change your motherboard you lose that copy of windows 10. It's possible to reinstall the original retail key and re-upgrade, but after a year even that's out.
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somehow I still feel like it's a trap. I DON'T KNOW WHY.
And my original key is broken so I had to use a winloader (DAZ) and it does not support the upgrade anyway. I'll wait..
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too late, already installed.
i'll have to check for hidden cameras in my bedroom later.
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hope you won't find the cameras I have hidden there.
absolutely not creepy smile
:D
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I still have the option to upgrade but I'm just gonna stick with 7 for the foreseeable future. That is until my pc finally gives out and I get a new one.
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i think the million dollar question is?
Did all my steam games work with this win 10 ?
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time to move to gog :D
https://www.gog.com/news/news_getting_ready_for_windows_10
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So, a friend of mine has a laptop with a Windows 8 (don't know which version) key stored somewhere in the BIOS. Currently, she has only a pirated version of Windows 7 installed in the laptop. She wants to upgrade to Windows 10 (genuinely).
I assume this "everyone" in the topic means "everyone with a legit copy of Windows 7 or 8". I also assume the way to go is to install Windows 8 again, and then upgrade. Or can I just install it over 7, since the legit key is in the bios? Also, I read that reinstalling Windows 8 will only work if the version installed is EXACTLY the one it came with, and I don't know what version came originally with the laptop... Any clue? Thanks.
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where had you read about EXACT version?
your friend ought to install win8 and only then update to win10 to be able to activate win10.
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I've read it in another topic here in SG (about Windows key GAs or something), and I guess somewhere else on the internet, but can't remember/find where... You think I can get any ISO for Windows 8 and install it and it'll work as long as it's not the PRO version?
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i see where i failed... ofc, you need win8 PRO :O
or version that was shipped with pc
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Yes, that's the issue. I don't know version was shipped with the PC. I've even heard that if it was shipped with 8, an 8.1 ISO won't work, and vice-versa.
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security updates will still be available to win 7 and 8 and we don't need dx12 anytime soon. really shitty of MS to include dx12 only with win 10
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yup-yup... but with asshole move with dx12 i'd rather not trust ms with security updates on win7 and win8 :O
income is above all in the end =\
edit: nevermind on directx and other stuff... personal ad made me LMAO https://choice.microsoft.com/en-us/opt-out
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I think the Win8/8.1 release is like Win98/98se releases, so the next version (Win10) is skippable just like WinMe was.
Also, I doubt they will be able to keep DX12 restricted to Win10 -- people will just make an installer that works with Win7+.
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I've been wondering how to upgrade mine should I choose to. Thank you for sharing! :)
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Good news, I have just received an email from Microsoft of how to get windows 10 free upgrade. even if u haven't reserved it yet. its free for everyone
Enjoy,,,
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