would you appreciate a "Festive Pack of 500 Points"?
Don't see the issue... I too have small wishlist(less than 10% of games on steam) and I have no issue with points...
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i knows not what i do, only what i do is good, and only good thing about what i do, is that it can be undone....
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Or some kind of point piggy bank for when you're staying maxed out all day because you don't want to enter just anything and then the holidays or Steam sale come and you're running out of points in 2 hours!
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That would actually be nice since it'd be a friendlier way to integrate an option that currently favours minmaxers (like myself) and bots who manually enter and exit long-running giveaways to obtain the same result (building up a point storage to withdraw from in times of better odds). The only issue I can see with this is if they actually do not want to directly condone this behaviour, but on the other hand no measures have ever been taken to prevent it.
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Yeah considering the vast number of giveaways that are getting over a thousand entries even level 5+ and even with all the GAs that are going on now, I'm pretty sure you're not the only one doing that. And it's not like it's against the rules either.
We're getting a limited number of points that go to waste when there's 10 times less GAs, which has been pretty much all year so it's ok to keep them going until there's more GAs.
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Points are usually not an issue for me but with the crazy amount of amazing giveaways people are making around the holiday season + the humble bundle/choice situation, sg holiday event, Christmas calender etc, i can see people wanting some extra points to enter more giveaways.
I am running low like you on points but i suppose this means better chances for people winning games they prioritize so its a fine balance Icaio. For me, i have to say no as i would favour the latter more than the former. Regardless, mate, i do wish you a merry X'mas and a Happy upcoming New Year!
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Didn't the point system used to dynamically reward more or less points based on the cost of new giveaways being made? You'd always know because you'd max out on points every good humble bundle.
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Yes but by making the points go up dynamically you would get approximately the same number of people entering giveaways pretty much. With limited point regeneration like it is now, you are limited to what you can join and therefore it makes people think about which giveaways to enter rather than putting all your points in all of the humble bundle giveaways. This in theory should increase the chances you are going to win the game you entered in for.
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For me this now (400) is enough but if\when SG enable point transfer user to user i would be happy give a little of mine to you icaio or also other people that need.
But i must say i enter only wishlisted games and i have only around 365 wishlisted on my list... i understand that for who have + wishlisted games or who enter also all others giveaways (or maybe want to make cards etc.) 400 is not enough much yes.
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That's why I don't like the new point system. Since it was introduced I always have either too much points or too few points and a lot of giveaways I'd like to enter. Back when points depended on giveaways created on site it never happened to me.
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when u give more points, its gonna be more points for everyone. more ppl will enter the GAs you want, works both +/- ly
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But since there's more GAs, and all the big ones are in the tens of thousands entries anyway, it's not as if the limitation did much for winning chances right now.
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I still prefer the original points system that gave points based on a percentage of the value of all the giveaways created. It made much more sense. It gave more points when there were more giveaways being created and less when there was less. When there is a mass of giveaways from something like the Humble monthly, you have more points to enter stuff and when there is a lull without much to enter, the points become much more restricted so you can't just enter every giveaway created.
That being said, I wouldn't want to increase the current number of points. I like having them limited to make people think about what they are entering. I usually have a hard time spending them. If anything, I would be happy with everyone getting less.
Edit: We have been receiving this same number of points since the change was made in Oct 2017 even though the number of giveaways has dropped drastically. There was 60-90 thousand giveaways created per month when this points system was put into place and now there is only about 26-30k and we get the same number of points to spend. That means we now have 2 to 3 times as many points in relation to the number of giveaways created than we use to.
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but it also meant there was a mad rush. If you could stay logged on at the right time on Tuesday (when the new humble bundle came out) you could use your points as fast as they replenished, but if you were busy all day, the points would hit their cap, and you'd only be able to enter a few giveaways.
Switching point regeneration to being time-based made it a lot more fair toward people who couldn't stay glued to steamgifts at the right tim
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Then just increase the points cap. Ever since the change was made, I find it very difficult to spend many of the points and they usually just sit at 400. Then if I am interested in a game or 2 from the Humble monthly, I instantly run out of points and can't enter many giveaways. This has just created a system where people now have to store and manage thousands of points in future giveaways so they can stock up incase there is a mass giveaway of something they are interested in.
When the number of giveaways slow down, users that only enter for games they are interested in will keep getting flooded with points and won't be able to spend many of them while the users that just want a +1 will keep spending everything they get. If the points slowed down as the giveaways slowed down like it used to, I feel like it would make it more restrictive and force people to consider what they are entering.
The way it is setup now feels backwards because we have a set number of points which means that when more giveaways are created, you can enter a smaller percentage of the total number of giveaways even though you are finding more that you want to enter, and when less giveaways are created you can enter a larger percentage even though you are not able to find giveaways that you want to enter. So you don't have enough points when you need them and have too many when you don't need them. The users that just want a +1 and entering for anything won't mind though because they will always maximize their chance of winning by always spending all the points they get.
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same problem, because a lot of giveaways are really short, so the people who are online get to enter those, and longer ones, and ones created later. People who only log in in the evening will have way more points than they can spend, because all the short-duration giveaways are already gone.
In truth, there is no "right answer', and no matter what the system, someone will complain. So it really comes down to whatever CG thinks is most fair. And I must say, I don't really disagree.
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Yes, but being able to enter 1 hour giveaways will be a problem with any points system. There are a lot of people that want to increase the minimum giveaway duration to make things more fair, but you can't please everyone. It's nice to find short giveaways and have good odds to win, but it's not fun if you are sleeping or busy when a lot of people create giveaways and you miss out on them.
I agree that there is no right answer though. There is no way to remove all the flaws or loopholes and create a perfect system, but I still preferred the old way. I think a more fair (fairer? I edited this twice because I can't decide, lol) system would be a proportionally points system like it use to be with a higher points cap and a minimum giveaway duration of something like 12 or 16 hours. That way you don't have to be online every hour of the day if you have a life and you know that you won't be losing your points or miss out on giveaways. This would also help limit the benefit of using a bot.
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I agree that there is no right answer though
and agreed again. also, talking about cg, i think he could have a, the "potential best answer" (as he could see system how actually is working and if he needs a fix and where, and so on)
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On the other hand, with Choice, there is no reason for a mad rush anymore. And those games have been getting a lot more GAs anyway because they are not marked as bundled so people are farming CV by getting several copies. So the number of points would still go up when there's a rush.
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points based on a percentage of the value of all the giveaways created
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we now have 2 to 3 times as many points
my "idea" was pretty simple: given all these "festive" chances (but also a "more festive mood") might be nice to receive an extra amount of points.
the old "original points system", these times, would generate more points, more chances. but, say, not two months ago. had those 400P sitting there, unused, most of the times. and, as stevey said, "its a fine balance"... also might be just me having this need and so on... but still think that a "Pack of Points", SG points, could be something nice to have, more in general along the year, but even more these days.
that said, really thought this was a simpler "thing" (the points system) than what it actually is... but also guessing cg is the most patient user of all SG :P
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Yes, having an extra pack of points for the holiday season would be nice because there are a lot of giveaways to enter now. I guess what I was trying to say was that we need that extra pack of points now because the current points system is flawed. If we still had the old points system, it would have worked itself out naturally because it would proportionally give us more points as more giveaways are created.
You say CG is patient, but maybe he just ignores everyone instead of having to deal with things. Out of site, out of mind could be mistaken for patience :)
I have no idea how much he pays attention to what goes on around here. Maybe he reads everything or maybe he just lets the mods run things and they give him status updates if anything major happens.
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:D
really know 0 about the man, but i do take details into consideration, often. from what i've read and seen, the man looks very patient!
that said, i think he could have ignored tons of things here around but cg = SG, and the results are fine and good as seen from here. not perfect, really not... true that, but we should also consider how much we're getting from it.
that's also why i see him as a patient admin. ignoring some stuff, maybe, but he cares. he still do (and he could have done it very differently, also :D)
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Reading this got my mind bubbling with ideas which would both benefit to active people without hindering the less active people in any way and without creating points and without giving the opportunity for people to abuse it by selling points for true money or feed their own account with points.
We have a maximum of 400 points that can be stacked on our account, all points above are lost. What if, instead of those points being lost, they would become a point giveaway which would be augmented for each hour the stack of point hasn't been touched.
Let's suppose that 1 hour is equal to 5 points and that you're at 400 points, not finding anything where you want to put your points on, two hours pass, a 1 hour giveaway appears, you participate and at the same time a 10P giveaway (which of course would cost 0P) appears. To avoid the inactive users to produce a too big amount which could be released in a stupid amount of point the day they would decide to come, you limit the max points to 100P for example (so 20 hours if you go by 5P per account).
The idea of making a 0P giveaway would limit the abuse as I you wouldn't decide who would win the point and since it would be automatically created you would have no way to interfere with it. To also avoid the users who never give and may use a bot to get some points, maybe adding at least a 1:1 ratio could help.
Those are the ideas I got on top of my head, I don't need all my points, sometimes I feel meh when they get to waste, so I wouldn't be against the possibility for them to be given away to someone.
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My opinion is that people should not make all the great GA's at christmas and spread them more over the year. I try to handle it that way so everyone are happy from time to time and not only at "special days/time ranges" ;o)
That raise the winning chances for the one that enter too.
Devastate the "point problem" as a sideffect.
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pretty sure we would have more points right now if the points gained were still related to the number of gibs created.
gotta use them points in the piggy bank tactically. like a tactical piggy bank!
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You can have my points! I usually have more than 380 spare, 400 most of the time :)
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I give 200 awesome points for participating in the discussion!
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I wish there was an option to give your points to other people, kinda like upvotes on reddit or something like that. I usually barely use 100 a day :/
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I know, same here. I feel like my points are just being wasted most of the time.
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That would be a really good idea and it would work better than blacklists as a deterrent for trolling lol
Seriously though, that would also motivate people to make giveaways and participate in the forum more, methinks
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I'm sitting at 362 at the moment. If I could send you my points I would.
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🔫 Put your hands up and give us all your points then back up slowly!
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i'm always capped because there are that few giveaways i enter. i don't know if i even happen to go below 300P any day
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icaio and many other contributors really deserve a lil bit more for all that they have given :)
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Personal preference, I'd like to see less points. I prefer higher odds on a few giveaways I enter, than entering dozens of giveaways with decreased odds.
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thought a little about "packs of points" and changed the request on "Could we have a faster points regeneration during the holidays?".
so, for those whom don't need more points, won't change much. but would still give more to folks in desperate need of Points
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I now only enter games I want to play. I am always above 200P, often sitting at 400P with nothing to put points into. I used to enter games for the +1 and cards, in which case I was always at 0P, but I quit that crap over a year ago. Even with all the extra giving this month, my personal game preferences are leaving me not entering many GAs.
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Really easy to lose all the points with so many 50P giveaways. I personally couldn't join most of the holiday box giveaways because I didn't have enough points for them
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hello cg and all!
my problem: despite a small wishlist and the thoroughly checks prior each and every click on Enter, the SG Points i'm getting really aren't enough.
just joined a bunch and only got 9P left...
why not giving away Festive Pack of Points? that would be like giving away Steam wallet cards but spendable only at SteamGifts. only for these festive times, a one time only.edited version: Could we have a faster points regeneration during the holidays?
are your Points really enough, nowadays?
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mandatory goodies:
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