To ensure you're not creating fake giveaways.
The more successfull giveaways you had, the more you can make :)
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It's to keep people from spamming fake giveaways to advertise and troll.
For every three giveaways you send that are marked received, you get another slot.
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Why is there a limit to the number of gifts I'm able to give away?
We limit the number of gifts a user can create for security purposes, and to prevent a new user from potentially posting a large number of invalid gifts to the site. When you create giveaways and your gifts are received, this number will increase, and you'll be rewarded with the ability to create giveaways with a greater number of copies, or more simultaneous giveaways.
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You will get more and more with every successful giveaway you do.
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Makes sense, I should've made them 1 hour, not 1 day giveaways...
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Since you made them low level public, there is a good chance you'll wait days for them to be marked as received anyway.
(If not flat-out marked as not received and put up for sale on G2A or Steamtrades.)
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I am certain that you have reasons to be that pessimistic, but maybe he has no problems at all. For sure I didn't give away as much as you, but even for lower levels I barely had problems with people not marking as received.
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it's not common thing. it's not that you have big chance of this happening to you, but it does happen on low levels only. To this very day I have 7 never marked GAs all from low levels
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but it does happen on low levels only
Yes, higher levels just un-mark giveaways to pass SGTools checks. -_-
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first of all - if you notice something like that just report to staff and SGT. idk if it will count as missuse of GA feedback (as they changfe it back) which is permasuspoension on SG, but I know it's permaban on SGT for doing it even once..
Second thing - as much as it sucks it's arguably still not as bad as situation me and talgaby talked about. In the end the sucker got into some SGT GA, but Contributor lost nothing - he still have his CV, people who never mark or mark falsely to resell/regift means the GA creator never even receives CV for stuff he paid for and gave away.
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My point was that it's not just low levels.
There are some shady as hell high levels, too. They're just smarter about it and get away with more, and because there are fewer of them, they don't make the "headlines" as often.
And yes, it does count as misuse of feedback. I've had several "high level" users perma'd for doing it. ;)
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see - when someone marks, unmarks and marks again he's providing proof needed himself. if someone like in talgaby's example sells the key then marks not received claiming it was duplicate/invalid you have no proof against him. 1st person if reported can be permabanned after 1st try of breaking rules, 2nd person can break rules multip[le times and will get away with it, as no matter how much he does it there will never be actual proof that the key he got was not in fact invalid/dupe.
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This is why I switched to gift links there. Or Steam gifts. Traceable and if they do accept them, it can be proven. I had zero issues of people claiming false keys since then, and the single one problem turned out to be my mix-up with a copy-paste error.
To comment on what Tzaar said, I vaguely remember managing to get some level 8+ suspended for quite some time once. ^^ Stil, people over level 4 seem to learn the lesson after one misstep, usually. (Or switch to small insider trade groups only to avoid detection.)
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sadly the thing is afaik only humble and indie gala provides gift links (and from IG you cannot even post them on SG) - thus your method will not work with keys bought from any other keystore or bundle site ;p
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GamersGate has a gifting option as well. But yes. Hence why I moved Bundle Stars, OtakuMaker, and DIG keys to public group giveaways or try to aim a little higher than level 0. Not saying it is foolproof, but helped with retaining my sanity and keep on doing level 0 public drops even after I thought I was totally burnt out by the constant uphill battle of chasing down winners.
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thought of semi-solution ;) you can creaye private key GA on http://keygiveaway.com/, send link to winner only, then you will have steam account recorded which viewed the key. Winner can still claim it was invalid thou, but you can see something is fishy, if he viewed key, but game is still not on account hours/days later.
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i'd hate it if i started getting wins like that though, i feel like that's too much like the gleam referall rule, forcing users to go thru extra steps just to receive their win.
imo it'd be just as bad as forcing a user to solve a jigidi to get their gift after they've already won it.
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It is a hassle, but I wouldn't go as far as comparing it to clicking reflink or solving a jigidi - you gain nothing from it unlike reflink, and it takes few extra seconds only unlike jigidi. Still I see how it can be viewed as annoying and not user-friendly but at the same time - so are for example captchas on various sites you visit daily or putting mobile token onto Steam - they are annoying but serve sam,e purpose - to get rid of cheaters. For fair users they are minor annoyance, for many chgeaters may be dealbreakers.
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no i agree, it doesn't fall under that rule already or anything like that. just slightly comparable to it.
i don't think it would be allowed if you have to login to keygiveaway.com, but if it works without the login necessary then it probably would be fine, just a slight annoyance. but IG, HB, & Groupees gift links do not require an account or login and that's why they are acceptable.
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keygiveaway.com doesn't require separate account as well - it requires Steam account you already have. I'd argue that there's no difference in this aspect thus. HB,IG,Groupees require email account for you to claim your gift so you need to provide your email, keygiveaway requires steam account to claim your key. But both email and Steam accounts are required to be able to register on SG in the first place, so you are not required to create an account in neither of the situations. And if it's acceptable by the rulkes to provide key hidden behind link requiring providing email, why would it not be acceptable to hide key behind link requiring providing Steam account?
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unnecessary extra steps. why not create a 300 question test for users to fill out in order to receive their win or force users to go thru a jigidi puzzle? neither of those require email or a steam account, yet it is still unnecessary extra steps.
groupees, ig, & hb gift links are from authorized key seller websites, keygiveaway.com is not an authorized key seller.
edit: alienware giveaways are allowed even though they "require" a level, yet gleam giveaways are not allowed because they "require" a twitter account. so it's very debatable whether this should or shouldn't be allowed though. xD
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you exaggerate again - comparing two click (login with Steam auth, so not even any account creation, no password, not anything - same login as you log in to SG for example then 2nd click for "thanks I claimed it") process to solving jigidi puzzle or going through 300 questions. you compare soimething that takes few seconds to somethiong that takes minutes to hours and say it's the same thing.
what does baing authorized keyseller have to do with anything? if you decide to use keygiveaway as GA creator you decide to do so on your own, noone is forcing you to do so, same way you may decide to use or not to use SGT (talking about these bad third party websites that require unnecessary extra steps - why don't you fight SGT then - it adds extra steps to GA access so arguably is even worse - here only winner will have to take extra steps, in SGT all entrants will have to so instead of 1 person tens-hundreds of ppl have to take extra steps!). if you are a winner there's really no difference for you compared to claiming gift - even if keygiveaways was some malicious website they cannot do anything - you don't provide them with your Steam login credentials, only using outside Steam login session to prove your identity. Arguably it's even safer than providing your email for a gift link - because with email you usually already provide your login, here you don't provide anything, no private data at all, only public data which is publicly available on your Steam profile like your SteamID.
Also gleam GAs are not banned because they require twitter profile. If they were using only twitter account to log in to confirm your identity they would be allowed. gleam GAs are not allowed because twitter interaction is not just logging in, but rather posting, liking, retweeting, following etc, which SG counts as the same as ref linking. Alienware nor keygiveaways do not require any of the prohibited actions. From the rules:
When posting links or content, that content should not force users, encourage users through reward, or primarily exist as a traffic source for users to perform an action for promotional, commercial, or monetary benefit. Such actions include but are not limited to clicking a referral link, liking a Facebook page, following a Twitter account, joining a Steam group, completing a survey, or making a donation.it does not say that any third party options are prohibited, only ones requiring or encouraging to prohibited actions - social media actions, reflinks etc.
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what does baing authorized keyseller have to do with anything?
everything.. literally it has everything to do with it.. if i get a win like that, i'll be marking it as not received, because i'm not going to some random 3rd party website to redeem my win. period.
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can you explain to me why? Because I provide you with arguments, you reply with "everything" and that's it, you ignore whatever argumentation I provided. The same way I may say that if I receive a groupees gift from you i will be marking as not recveived - groupees gift links are not allowed in key form on SG so according to your logic of "because i feel like" screw p[eople trying to use them because of safety reasons, I am marking as not received! period! hurr durr!
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i said cause i'm not going to go to some 3rd party website just to redeem my win, i will on the other hand go to an authorized dealer website to redeem my win. there's a very large difference between authorized and a random 3rd party website, and i don't think that difference needs to be clarified.
edit: also about the alienware argument, it requires a level and in order to level you are required to post content, like things, upload things, etc. it is the same thing but somehow gets a free pass. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ why? idk.
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and i said that the same way I may say I will not go to groupees or indie gala just to redeem my win because they are not authorized on SG (Humble is because SG allows humble gift links, but does not allow gift links from other platforms). I see no difference between someone saying "I will mark not received if you send me key requiring me to go to keygiveaways" and saying "I will mark not received if you send me key requiring me to go to indiegala". And both cases for me would be a dick move. After all GA creator provides you with the game, with game they paid for, and they use these link methoids not to earn something (via reflinks), not to screw up with you, but just to protect themselves from unfair users (because there is no other way to protect you on SG sadly.
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idk why you don't see the difference between authorized and not authorized, you've been around long enough to see the difference.
in one form it is guaranteed by the site and will be replaced by IG/Groupees/HB if there is an issue, and in the other case it will not be guaranteed or replaced if there is an issue by keygiveaways.
using keygiveaways offers absolutely no extra protection anyways, it merely shows you they viewed it.
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It's not that I don't see the difference, it's that I don't see it matter at all here. even if it's 3rd party you are not providing said 3rd party any credentials, not even your email, all you give is your public SteamID. Thus no matter if it's authorized or not fact of the matter remains that in practice it's no way different from let's say IG. And IG will not replace even if there's an issue after their timer (idr if 30 or 60 days), groupees won'tr replace at all - I traded on their platform, got "safe" key which turned out to be used, got no replacement. So no difference here (only Humble replaces no matter timer afaik). And I already explained how keygiveaways adds protection - same way ypour gift will say claimed by d3m4n@something.com KG will say viewwed by d3m4n. if I gave KG link only to you it will show that noone but you viewed the key. In both cases you could claim that key you got was invalid, but for example you won't be able to claim that you never received the key if I have proof that you viewed it on KG.
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I am not sure support would be okay with this method. I use keygiveaway (heck, I may still be in its top10 list) and thought of this, but I doubt it would sit well in the long run.
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problem I see with keygiveaway is that it's still a little countereffective way - after all main purpose of website is for keydrops, thus UI and everything is suited for keydrops as well. For GA purpose things that are present on KG like missing letter or history of multiple entrants, or multiple buttons for viewed, thanked etc is not necessary. Best would be some similar system but designed for GAs only and for 1 user access only, maybe someday someone will make sth like that. As for support being ok or not with it - cannot say, I'm not a support, like I said above I personally see no difference between gifting your key via KG and via IG, groupees or GG - none of these websites are authorized by SG, only authorized one is Humble because you can post humble links directly on SG ion keys section.
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TOS
If you post giveaways to the Website, you will be entirely responsible for providing an unused Steam redeemable gift or unused Steam redeemable key (gift or key, further known as "Gift") to a user ("Winner"), who is randomly generated by the Website for each gift represented by your giveaway. You warrant that:
within 7 days of the giveaway ending, you will use reasonable efforts to send the Gift to the Winner using the Website services, or the e-mail address the Winner has provided
technically according to the terms of service even IG & groupees links aren't allowed. the only reason humblebundle had an exception was due to the way they used to redeem to your account for you instead of even having an option to get a steamkey.
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and I can send you KG link using email you provided ;) Same way as I can send you IG gift link to your email ;) And like I said - you basically agree with me here - if KG is somethiong so bad etc the same can be argued using same arguments for groupees, IG, GG etc. And marking "Not Received" because TOS says only key via SG or SteamGift is acceptable according to TOS is like I said in my eyes a dick move. If I sent you a key via Steam Chat would you argue that you can click Not Received as well? after all TOS in current form does not mention sending keys via Steam Chat. And if someone clicked not received because someone sent them key via steam chat I'd call it a dick move as well.
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again though, you may say it's an exaggeration but it is still the same thing as forcing a user to jump thru any extra unnecessary hoops just the same as solving a jigidi requires no account or email.
i email you a link to a jigidi that once solves it give you a link to a itstoohardpuzzle that once solved links to a indiegala gift link... that is perfectly acceptable according to your example.
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the "dick" move as you keep saying, is not giving the winner their gift in the simplest and easiest form possible.
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I think at this point we may as well just stop the discussion as it's just repeating the same thing over and over... no, jigidi or 300 questions puzzle is not good example and very bad comparison. KG-HB-IG comparison is good because all these systems require little time (heck, KG requires even less time than IG or HB, where you have to waitr for email, on IG you also gota confirm your account every time - it takes minutes, KG takes seconds), yuet you keep forcing comparison to something that takes even hours. I explained to you several times why it's bad comparison, even did it again now but you post it over and over again. I guess no matter how long we'd discuss, in a few posts I'd hear about hiding key behind few hours puzzle again or other nonsense like that.
And again - reason for using KG, or IG or HB or anything else, purpose of me using it would not to be a dick to winner, my purpose would not be screwing with my winner, my purpose would be protecting myself from unfair winners in low level GAs. Contrary purpose of someone marking game Not Received because he got a gift link, not a direct key, or got key via steam chat while "hurr durr TOS doesn't mention chat!" would only be to screw up with gifter. That is being a dick. Your sole purpose is to be aa dick, while my purpose is not to be a dick but to protect myself from cheaters. See difference? Oh, you probably don't as it's another example of something I already explained, explained my reasoning behind it, yet you decide to ignore whatever I wrote before just to repeat yourself.
So like I said, for me conversation is over, no point in repoeating the same thing over and over again being ignored and told same thing over and over again as well.
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some people like taking comparisons to the extreme to show how badly things can get once a rule is in place that cannot really be specified for or against certain places. yes, those were deliberate extreme examples to show you how the rule cannot really work unless they literally add an approved and unapporoved list of places that can or can't be used to deliver gifts.
i agree though, the debate is going in circles like i figured it would, i said in the beginning this was very debatable and i knew it wasn't one that can be solved thru debate really, it just will end up being another CG decision instead. xD
edit: idk why you seem to be getting upset using "hurr durr" comments and childish things like that though, i've remained rather civil this entire time. my sole purpose is not to be a dick either, it's to prevent dick moves such as the one you are suggesting that once again offers absolutely no protection for you what so ever. visibility =/= protection. those are the comments i've skipped over and ignored.
edit2: you also twisted a lot of my words around that were not even my words, they were from the TOS.. i never once said i wouldn't mark chat received or ig gift link received games not received, i said i wouldn't use a 3rd party competitor website to gain access to my wins which should make sense to most people being that it is a competitor (albeit, not a good enough one to care about though).
edit3: you also do gain credit (success/fail rate etc) over there on keygiveaways, so there is a personal gain to be made out of it.. it would of been the same thing as me giving the winner a private invite only giveaway to gameminer.net or galagiveaways.com or one of the others and gaining experience points over there on top of here for the same gift.
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I hope this is not a bad moment to ask you something, but how does that protect you from possible scammers? They can just say that the key was already used, as you commented. How is that different from the winner taking the key from steamgifts and then saying it was a dupe? What additional security does that site give you?
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if the winner wants to activate key on alt account you can never be safe. Winner can the same way say that IG or groupees gift he received from you was giving dupe key as well - humble would usually revoke keys and give you new ones, but IG gives you only timed protection and groupees give you no protection at all. the thing is that in situations like talgaby said when winner tries to sell/trade key it takes time. You won't sell key in a few seconds like you can activate it on alt account. Let's say you win XYZ from me right now. I add key to SG and I don't hear from you for 6 days then you say me you just checked key and it turned out to be duplicate. I have no proof you are lying. But if I send you gift code or other link which registeres you I can see that you viewed the key 1h after GA ended for example. And yet game is not in your account. I see next day it's still not in account - I have time to react, contact you personally b4 you manage to sell it, contact support. Also if after 6 days you say to me you just checked it and it's duplicate (because you already sold it, duh! ;p) I have a proof that you are lying, that you got the key 6 days ago yet waited 6 days b4 informing me it was dupe which makes strong contextual evidence aganst you ;)
Anyway that's why I called it semi-solution, not actual full solution. It can give you warning something is fishy, it can give you time to react fast, but it's still not a solution if winner decides to activate key elsewhere, not try to sell it.
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except you don't have proof someone is lying, all you have proof of is that they viewed it, which changes nothing at all for support.. so it's a totally unnecessary approach to gifting and does have gains outside of this website like i stated in edit3 in my last reply.
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I did explain what it changes and what provides. You keep ignoring whatever I say and explain as in rest of this discussion, so like i said b4 continuation of me saying A you replying with b me A u B and so on is pointless. I was replying to perro here.
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I was replying to perro here
sry, you right, i shoulda stayed outta that one.
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Oh people selling won keys, ewww disgusting, I didn't even think of that.
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I even had a couple of (smart) low level users that thought it was a good idea to fiddle with the marked received feedback in my SGTools trains and they did won several games, but I got re-rolls and those users won't bypass no SGTools gate anymore. :3
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I have had to issue two rerolls for non-response this day only, I will most likely have to do two others tomorrow and two forced marked receives the day after that.
And this is only this weekend. And this is my last week of level 0-1 giveaways:
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its a high probability in the low levels, i went back and checked my first 10 GAs some time ago. i believe 5+ of them were never activated. whatever the actual number i remember it was far too much, like 4 of the first 5 checked. what can you expect with 300+ wins and 0 games given users?
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Still better than making them 3 weeks long ;) It could always be worse!
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so if you do alot of good giveaways you can make like this https://gyazo.com/f70a4498a1d6a2a1d9145dc03d595d5c
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You're able to create up to 78 additional gifts based on your giveaway feedback.
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also my understanding is if you are a dev and want to do a big promo giveaway you can raise a ticket, prove your status, and they can make a special GA giving away as many keys as you like
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Be patient... those keys aren't going anywhere. Trust me :-p check my SGT list - I just did a major clean-up
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At beginning you don't have lots of giveaway slots.
As you get one more for each successful giveaway, you get one additional slot.
After a while you get more than enough, so don't worry.
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I am really bored today so I am going to blacklist you for not reading the faq.
Once you give me your word that you have read it I will unblacklist you.
I know this is stupid, but I'm bored :_(
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So I have a sh*t ton of leftovers n stuff which I wanna giveaway but after the 6th giveaway SteamGifts won't let me make more.
Why?
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