New Campaign for another game to be saved https://www.change.org/p/project-save-muramasa-campaigning-to-reverse-valve-s-ban-of-full-metal-daemon-muramasa?redirect=false - please consider singing it also - thank you

if you have heard or not that the Steam release of Chaos:head has been banned and there is now an ongoing attempt to save it

What reason was it banned? i am not sure and no one else seems to since it is still getting a full Switch version

If you want to help - please check out the charge.org campaign - https://www.change.org/p/project-savechaoshead-campaigning-to-reverse-valvesoftware-s-ban-of-chaos-head-noah-savesciadv?redirect=false

i hope this is allowed - if not i will close this thread

Just to say i have nothing to do with the game or the people behind it or the campaign other than signing it myself - and i am NOT asking for money to be pledged (you can do this under the thing to get the campaign promoted on site)

thanks for your time - here is one of many articles mentioning the game and Steam release - https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2022-10-02/chaos-head-noah-game-steam-release-canceled/.190405

edit: found out that they now have a twitter page sharing updates and news - https://twitter.com/ophiddenhand

edit 2: I know almost 0 about the content of this game or series but i feel it unfair to have it unable to be sold via Steam

https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/qFPTu/

Edit 3: WE WON
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1961950/CHAOSHEAD_NOAH/
https://www.spike-chunsoft.com/news/update-steam-version-of-chaoshead-noah/

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like i said if this is not allowed please let me know and i will close this thread

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sadly I can from experience tell you that once a game has been banned from sale on Steam then thats it. There is nothing you can do to get a second chance

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Valve has take back some of their decisions before in the past about banned games so I will keep my hope up.

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banned
...not band.
release
...not realse

Other than that, it sounds like an interesting topic to discuss.

First off, someone definitely knows why it was banned. If it's not being discussed, lawyers are likely involved. Soon enough an excuse to save face and distract will be announced. Probably soon after it gets released on the Switch.

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well all i know is the totally inconsistent rules on Steam make me laugh

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Dude just please change your wording then, this way it's just confusing.

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Chaos:head

Hmm? Didn't the company make a statement that they didn't want to release it on Steam?

I think I saw something recently to the effect that conforming to Steam's rules of representation would be impossible because there would be too many things that would have to be changed and would create conflicts in the story.

In other words, there is no point in trying to sign it.
(It might make sense to sign a petition to Steam to stop restricting expression.)

This?
https://www.spike-chunsoft.co.jp/news/company/16332/


(machine translation)

Spike Chunsoft Co. has decided to cancel the release of the Steam version of "CHAOS;HEAD NOAH", which was scheduled for release on Saturday, October 8, 2022.

This was a final decision because Steam guidelines (regulations) do not allow the game to be released in its original state, and modifying the game according to the regulations would severely damage the game's gameplay.

We sincerely apologize to all fans of the Science Adventure series and those who have been eagerly awaiting the release of this title.

We are currently considering and working on the sale of the PC version on other platforms. We will inform you when it is ready.


It seems to me that you could give up on getting it on Steam.🤔
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Yeah, same thing I saw. Not sure what to believe though, the fact that they don't want to release it on Steam or the fact that Steam rejected them. They could still push for the game on PC on other platforms though, such as EGS.

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Seeing that their other pc games are on steam and not on other storefronts, i doubt that they dont want to release it on steam. I believe that doing the adjustment will either take longer than what their schedule is allowed to or change a big amount of content just for steam. Or maybe they just arent sure which content was flagged by steam.

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Yea, this one is probably the most likely.

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they don't want to release on Steam if they have to censor a great deal of the game

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so it's up on Switch but it's too much for Steam?
and I thought it was Nintendo with the draconian content policies...

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Huh?? Steam will let you have Orc Massage with full penetration on it. What in the everloving hell is in this game that it would not meet Steams criteria?! The only thing that comes to mind is something political. Or complete idiocy on the devs/steam part.

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Or clearly stolen assets or copyright stuff?
EDIT : Oh god all the anime weebs on reddit crying and blaming steam calling them hypocrites. I mean come on, they probably have good reason or it was a mistake.

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I mean come on, they probably have a good reason or it was a mistake

They really don't. Right now, you have crappy visual novels on Steam about eating feces, having sex with corpses, and far worse stuff that I'm not even gonna type out here. There is a lot of inconsistency at Valve and considering approval is purely manual, a lot of things could be speculated here.

All things considered, a visual novel with only a hint of a lesbian relationship can be banned right away while something called SEX with HITLER is fine according to Steam.

I mean, this same game will be released on NINTENDO SWITCH of all places but somehow Valve found something wrong about it (we still don't know what though)

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I wouldn't be surprised if a DEV submits a "clean" version to get through then updates or patches all that crap in after when no one will report it. That or half the time the person doing the approval process just barely looks at the game.

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I wouldn't be surprised if a DEV submits a "clean" version to get through then updates or patches all that crap in after when no one will report it

That's actually against Steam guidelines for devs. That's why many devs will just link some websites to uncensored patches to get around it. A loophole perhaps, but as long as it's not on Valve servers it's all good

That or half the time the person doing the approval process just barely looks at the game.

This is way more likely. Valve always had that "eh, do whatever you want" attitude for employees so it all depends if the person in charge of the approval process woke up on the wrong side of the bed today or not

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"a visual novel with only a hint of a lesbian relationship." Thats is just not true whatsoever. The reason for a ban in that case would never be because of the sexuality but for other reasons. In most cases it is because of the looks/ age of the characters

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Yeah, I don't understand this either. The amount of junk on Steam is staggering (reported an asset flip listed at $100 yesterday), and the amount of games that push all kinds of boundaries in all kinds of ways that challenge my perception of the human mind is not small either. Why not just release it under Mature?

I'm not arguing for or against the matter because who knows what happened. I'm just confused, with how lax Steam usually is.

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The latter part seems most likely, especially considering that this thing actually happened: https://mobile.twitter.com/hanadakeika/status/1501196842960580610

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🙄Thanks for the good info.

If this was the reason for the NG, we need to push Gabe off the boat and put him on a swimming diet.
(Just kidding, of course.)
However, the reasons for Valve's rejection would need to be clear.

It will lead to speculation that the approval criteria are greatly stricter or easier based on nationality or region.
This could happen not only with this game, but with others as well, and the more indie game developers are, the more serious the impact will be.🤔

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Agreed. They need to list the offending sections to the developers at least to ease the process. It's just like finding a needle in a haystack atm.

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Have no idea what is going on, just clicked on twitter link and first thing I saw is that they are doing and encouraging others to spam Gaben's email address with demands to whatever they want from Valve. And that is called "our plan's second phase" so, probably, some other shit was done... After that, there is no sympathy or desire to understand what they want or do there.

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i think it's more that asking him why it was banned or refused and the more people ask the more they might answer and get it resolved (if if it's only to say why it won't be coming or needs to be changed in a major way)

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I regard this behavior as digital terrorism. Given that all this is organized by people who (apparently) want to make money.

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i think it's less about the money and more about the reason or reasons why it can't be added to Steam many other games they have are on there in full (so i believe) this is more important to get a reason why Steam says yes or no to a game

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I have not studied this topic, you may be right. But the first portion of the information that I saw made just such an impression on me)

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Steam gives you the reason for why a game isnt accepted for release though

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but does it? according to multiple devs and publishers it does not always do this

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from the ones I know they do at least after asking for it but maybe that is also dependent on the employee you talk to then

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Weaponized geese and laserdolphins are phase 3, don't want to miss out!

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Seems like they just got my attention 🤔

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Edit: guess I misunderstood. Thought this was something along the lines of this developer. Should've done my research first.

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What is wrong with this thread

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Can you elaborate, what you feel is wrong with the game? Looks like a usual Visual Novel... How is it cancer?

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I thought you were a nice guy, guess I was wrong

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As far as I'm aware Valve will allow pretty much anything on Steam these days unless it's legit illegal or straight up hate speech, so what did this game do to motivate them to take a stand against it? I'm actually curious.

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im guessing its just a tactic to drum up sales

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drum up sales? you mean sales of this game? so to get more sales the best tactic is to not be on the most popular (and for many) the only pc platform they will use and instead only be sold on the Nintendo Switch - which many don't have (Googled sales and said 91 million and nearly 68 million people in UK alone)

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ive never heard of the game or anime until now. working

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neither had i to be honest but i doubt sales are going to be as strong now it's Switch only

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Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case as it wouldn't be the first time someone uses that tactic, but it seems a bit odd for an established series as the " ; " one (I don't think the Stains;Gate universe actually has a name, at least not as far as I'm aware).
My suspicion is that the game actually fucked up big time somewhere (my bet is on explicit pedophilia) or it's yet another case of Valve deciding this time they'll have standards all of a sudden. There's also the possibility that the only reason they blocked this specific release on Steam is that they would need to actively promote it because of some contract so they can't just shove it under the rug as they usually do with anything questionable.

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that is not really the case they are very strict depending on who reviews the game especially when it comes to things like the age of characters even in games that arent explicitly sexual

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one less anime crap on steam

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Ur face after posting this comment:

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i know you always get one - this was not about the game in the first place it was about making the rules more clear - i mean if i could that Witcher game would be in the bin but people should be aloud to play what they want

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i guess because you don't like no one else should then?

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Don't need to feed the lone troll. Let him cry in a corner.

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good point

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I already played Chaos:Child so would be nice if steam allowed Chaos:Head.

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Not first time when Steam revivers show double standard, one time game is not ok next is ok (and Valve NEED do full clean house). And game gets released on Nitendo Switch!.
And remember one thing: original release is on X360, PS3 and PSP. Game passed old console regulations but can t pass now Steam now?(who happy release: random porn overpriced asset flip)

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I played Chaos:Head a long time ago. The game is a bit gory, maybe that's what they don't like. Is the C:H NOAH a new version or it's another story?

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It seems that it's due to a middle school/high school environment portraying kids having sex and orgies, child decapitation, a police officer attempting to rape a child, as well as multiple child suicides which include a young girl slicing her wrist. This is just some of the things, there's apparently more.

I'm honestly surprised that Nintendo is allowing it to launch on their console.

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no problem for Nintendo, lmao

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Yeah, that's crazy to me. Honestly I don't think Nintendo actually knows what's in it, otherwise I think they probably wouldn't let it launch. With this making headlines, I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo becomes aware of it and stops the launch.

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Good thing Spike Chunsoft didn't make a big fuss about it so maybe Nintendo won't notice it in time... oh... wait...

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"already passed the ESRB and PEGI rating boards"

I suspect that's what they are going by.

Besides Sorny has become prudish too censoring games that ended up releasing uncut on Switch, so that isn't a new thing.

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errr...original game come on X360 Release Date: 06.02.2009 they have PLENTY of time to do it...

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No, Nitroplus games don't have "kids having sex and orgies". The game have some graphic gore but that's because the story is about a serial killing happening near the MC. And if you're smart the name of the game tell where it happens.

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I don't care for visual novels and I don't know anything about the series. I was curious why it was banned on Steam so I went looking. What I mentioned in my comment is what people who played the game said is in it.

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It's a Sci-Fi psychological story. You can even search google for "H" scenes and you will find nothing because this game have none. You can find girls in underwear images but that is a mod created by fans.

The ban looks like it's because of school anime setting.

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Better cheek "info" sites than "I play this game! Believe me!" comment
https://vndb.org/v22505
^ "No Sexual Content" tag mending of tag
https://www.mobygames.com/game/chaoshead-noah
on Moby Games no "Adult" narrative
tag

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I also didn't remember anything about sex and orgies, but then I was reminded that the main character has a lot of delusions (either sexual or gore) and that some of them are indeed disturbing. Most of them are not depicted on screen and you only have text, but the text is very explicit on what is happening
(I have played the original not Noah)

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and it got rated which means the video game rating people think it's ok and if you see half of what's on Steam this isn't any worse

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giveaway added to bump

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Signed. I hate how Valve doesn't allow this visual novel in Steam, which are real games, however it allows truly trashy adult games. I am not complaining about the adult games, if somebody wants to play them, more power to them. But why won't they allow all visual novels, damn it!

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thanks

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https://twitter.com/ophiddenhand

https://www.change.org/p/project-savechaoshead-campaigning-to-reverse-valvesoftware-s-ban-of-chaos-head-noah-savesciadv/u/30969356

There is a campaign to send emails directly to Newell/ a few people in Valve.

Chances of the campaign working, extremely low. Almost as low as the campaign to convince From Software to release Dark Souls on PC.

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Did you mean Demon Souls? We already have Dark Souls on PC.

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It was a reference to the campaign that started to get Dark Souls on PC. It got a huge traction, and it got an official response from From Software. Eventually Dark Souls got released on PC, and every single game from From Software eventually got released on PC (barring exclusives because exclusives are shit)

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I didn't knew it. Thanks.
Too bad Armored Core isn't on PC too.

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Well you will be happy to know that FromSoft is actually making a new Armored Core game

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Nice, I hope they make improved version like the AC3 games. Also I hope PC get a version too,

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HUNTINGTON BEACH, Calif. (October 6, 2022) - Spike Chunsoft, Inc. today is pleased to announce the previously cancelled Steam release of CHAOS;HEAD NOAH will launch on Steam on October 7, 2022, PDT as originally planned.

The company received the following statement from Valve, the operator of Steam:
"Valve's content review team, the group that made the original decision, has re-examined CHAOS;HEAD NOAH and decided to reverse course and allow the game to ship on Steam, as is. We've also examined the process that led to the previous decision about CHAOS;HEAD NOAH, and made some changes to avoid situations like this in the future."

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What the....? We won?

https://www.spike-chunsoft.com/news/update-steam-version-of-chaoshead-noah/

Just when I started writing to Valve to complain about it. Well, I guess I have to complain more often ;)

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I'm really curious as to the exact reason the review team declined the original launch plans of the game as well as the changes made in their review process.

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I dare to say, the fact that the Steam Deck actually needs more visual novels, perfect for a system like that. Also, it was already on the switch, there were multiple media reports about that, there are multiple porn games on steam, and CHAOS;HEAD is not even a porn game, etc, etc. At the end, probably the one in charge of reviewing the visual novels, that apparently had a hate boner against japanese visual novels, considering how many were getting rejected, was removed from the post.

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Can't say much about this case but banning anime stuff from Valve was usually due to human factors. A former dev of Campo Santo is now working there and he was pretty vocal on Twitter about his dislike for anime & visual novels and how much he enjoys banning them

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Human factor (like xarabas and quijote3000 say), some people just hate anime (probably: boomers) and take their personal opinion to work. That why Valve really need do clean house and boot out those who can`t disconnect their personal opinion from work. (or make better review processes like cutting some power from too ban-happy reviewer because we have Reddit mod problem)

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as was mentioned earlier by Xarabs - i only just saw that we won - i went to see if it passed 5000 signings (it did not) but saw that a victory had been posted - so i would just like to say thank you to everyone who shared and singed and e-mailed to get the ban over turned

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Great news, really happy about Valve reversing their decision.

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out now -https://store.steampowered.com/app/1961950/CHAOSHEAD_NOAH/ - £19.49 or get it along side Chaos child and save 10% for £35.08

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