Have you've ever had a VAC Ban before?
Yeah, I got 1 VAC ban on this account - 6010 days ago.
No clue what I did, because I don't remember everything from 17 years ago โฎ(๏ผพโฝ๏ผพ)โญ
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So, VAC bans do go away I see. I've seen a lot of hate, yet people don't understand each person's situation. It's very strange to see people spilling hate on someone who has a VAC ban.
Your account doesn't seem to be affected. When did it stop the warning going away?
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Bans are permanent. The reason you don't see it on my profile is because several years ago they made a change so it doesn't appear on people's profiles after 7 or so years. I can still see it though.
The way I'm 'affected' is by SGTools I suppose, I fail like 90% of them because people almost always include the "never got VAC banned"-clause. And it shows up on any website using Steam's API, so for example SteamTrades, which leads to people asking me what I did. Not really bothered by it. I can still buy games, trade items etc.
Dunno if it's a coincidence, probably?, but before they changed it I kept getting harassed by people calling me a cheater because I had a - back then - 10 year old ban so people figured "once a cheater, always a cheater". It annoyed me so much I sent a ticket to Volvo asking them if they could please change it so that really old bans don't show up on profiles anymore. And a couple of months later it got implemented, so maybe they listened? ( ยด๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ)๏พ(._.`)
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I sent a ticket to Volvo
They must've been pretty confused by that ticket lol
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Bans are permanent. The reason you don't see it on my profile is because several years ago they made a change so it doesn't appear on people's profiles after 7 or so years. I can still see it though.
Oh that's not a sight you want to see, but I'm glad others aren't able to see it.
The way I'm 'affected' is by SGTools I suppose, I fail like 90% of them because people almost always include the "never got VAC banned"-clause. And it shows up on any website using Steam's API, so for example SteamTrades, which leads to people asking me what I did. Not really bothered by it. I can still buy games, trade items etc.
I see, so it does affect overall your trading records. It's pretty annoying that after so many years you still having to explain yourself.
Dunno if it's a coincidence, probably?, but before they changed it I kept getting harassed by people calling me a cheater because I had a - back then - 10 year old ban so people figured "once a cheater, always a cheater". It annoyed me so much I sent a ticket to Volvo asking them if they could please change it so that really old bans don't show up on profiles anymore. And a couple of months later it got implemented, so maybe they listened? ( ยด๏ฝฅ๏ฝฅ)๏พ(._.`)
You see, this kind of harassment is unacceptable. It's embarrassing enough that you're with the VAC ban and you get to be labeled in such a way, but harassment isn't acceptable, no matter what you did. People judge too quickly and even if you did cheat in the past, you've probably learned your lesson and probably looked for ways to correct yourself.
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You see, this kind of harassment is unacceptable. It's embarrassing enough that you're with the VAC ban and you get to be labeled in such a way, but harassment isn't acceptable, no matter what you did. People judge too quickly and even if you did cheat in the past, you've probably learned your lesson and probably looked for ways to correct yourself.
The day they implemented the profile change was a glorious one indeed. I was extremely into CSGO back then and I wasn't half too bad either, so I had people calling me a cheater all the time because of a single 9-10 year old VAC ban on my profile lmao. But people will always try to get under each other's skin, whether it's CS, RL or DOTA. Nothing out of the ordinary really.
With that said, there have been times when even my own teammates (random people, not premade) would throw the game because even they were convinced that I was either cheating, or deserved to lose because of having an old VAC ban. That made me WTF a bit.
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17 years ago just tells me probably cheat engine was left open when opening a vac protected game lol simple mistake
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Honestly, your guess is as good as mine โฎ(. โ แด โ.)โญ
Seeing KillingArts video shows just how easy it was to get VAC'd, and I've said elsewhere that I remember that MW2 had issues as well. Who knows how many more VAC-enabled games were impacted by similar issues.
But maybe I did cheat. I don't remember what I had for dinner 3 days ago, let alone what I may have done in a videogame 17 years ago when I was a kid.
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I think you are eligible to petition the mark's removal after 6 or 10 years .... however it is never truly gone:
https://steamrep.com/profiles/76561197966778988
^^ As you can see poor Whoosh still has it listed.
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I think you are eligible to petition the mark's removal after 6 or 10 years
Unless they changed something since then, it just happens automatically.
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According to google: VAC bans are permanent, non-negotiable, and cannot be removed by Steam Support. If a VAC ban is determined to have been issued incorrectly, it will automatically be removed.
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They never remove it even if it was a situation beyond the control of the user.
I guy I knew was VAC banned cause he used a legal mod for TF2 that added hats (or something like that) that didn't exist in the game, but then they added hats to the game, available trough lootboxes, so when he logged in on the game after that update( which he didn't noticed cause most people don't read the updates information) he got automatically banned. He sent requests to have his ban reviewed but they always replied that a VAC ban is automactic and can't be reversed
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That by itself is the shittiest way to deal with your clients. I am sure it can be done, but still wanted to pursue and punish the person anyway for modding the game. Kinda sucks to be punished for such a thing.
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I believe i read once here someone wrote an email to Gabe and got his VAC removed.
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Honestly, there is no need to make two discussions. Just edit the other one.
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Although similar by topic, this addresses to VAC banned people. Sharing their opinion can help people maybe understand better how people made mistakes and not shove harassment without seeing the big picture.
The one topic is mainly for the opinion of others towards VAC banned people.
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There really isn't any value in this. There aren't too many options, people either act way too careless or they simply are cheaters.
Cheaters rarely will admit it and instead you'll get stories how someone made the mistake of sharing their library with an actual cheater via family share etc.
People either misbehaved or were dumb, there is your big picture.
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I do believe some people can voice their opinion even if they made a mistake. Having the opportunity to do so may not be something you agree with, but maybe some people like the idea that they get to explain themselves and teach others what not to do.
Here's a similar example of a type of person:
Former Jewel Thief Reviews GTA V Jewel Heist
You can learn a lot more from him than from a lot of people and I don't mean doing bad stuff, but rather how they think and what to never do, what conclusions and lessons should you draw.
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Not all VAC bans are due to either of your reasons. There is always an exception, just like antivirus false positives.
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I appreciate the random blacklist. ๐๐ป Although you've not mentioned why, hope you're having a good day.
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People don't need to tell other people why they're blacklisted. I can, however, tell you it wasn't just in the last 24hours.
The fact you couldn't just take some constructive criticism goes to show you deserved it though.
I imagine you got more blacklists from people who haven't bothered to comment than the ones who did.
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People don't need to tell other people why they're blacklisted. I can, however, tell you it wasn't just in the last 24hours.
The fact you couldn't just take some constructive criticism goes to show you deserved it though.
I see, I can't remember what it was the topic itself, but thanks for letting me know. Will do better in the future. ๐
I imagine you got more blacklists from people who haven't bothered to comment than the ones who did.
Possible. I just happened to noticed you among the others who may have done it, that's why I asked.
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Made me reflect upon some things. Maybe I don't know how to take constructive criticism. Maybe, he/she is right. It really depends on the topic and I'll not be nit-picking comments or participation she/he takes on the community. I am beyond perfect and I am aware that sometimes I can get on people's nerves for creating discussions that maybe or maybe not have their place. I also voice my opinion quite openly, so that may upset people. Therefore, I am not quiet either. ๐
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the only thing i can tell you and i remember is that many years ago PUBG videogame has a bug (and or problem compatibility win10 update and their anticheat system) that make them ban WRONG people with 100% legit software that never use any cheat\mod etc.,this has been reported on twitter by many famous streamers too,And in my opinion this thing is worry.
This said i play steam games for around full 10 years (if not more than this) i play thousands of games and i never get 1 ban because of my fault.
Also when i play i'm habit to not scream,not put music,not offend other people and not use third apps softwares etc.i prefer to concentrate in gameplay\result,and when have people disturb i put mute on them instead of reply or fight because in my opinion is better use that time for play and have fun instead to lose it with bad people that want more fight than play.
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Also i not understand (but this is not cheat\ban\mod etc.) why some people like to activate "ALL MAX Graphics" in videogames also when a graphic have negative effect in the game.
Just for make some example i see people like activate graphic that make background be blur\opaque (and they lose also FPS for do this!),but for me this is absurd because it damage the gameplay especially in open world games i want to see far\distance objects\buildings that i can reach
OR for example all people like "High Quality Soft Shadows" but me instead prefer the minimum\low shadows and not for the "Performance\fps" but because i like them more (they is + visible) etc.
So in my opinion graphic effect\high must be activate only if FOR YOU make the game better,better gameplay or visual,and not only because have the word "MAX\High".
Sorry for this OT.
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the only thing i can tell you and i remember is that many years ago PUBG videogame has a bug (and or problem compatibility win10 update and their anticheat system) that make them ban WRONG people with 100% legit software that never use any cheat\mod etc.,this has been reported on twitter by many famous streamers too,And in my opinion this thing is worry.
This said i play steam games for around full 10 years (if not more than this) i play thousands of games and i never get 1 ban because of my fault.
Hey man! I'm glad to see you around here. ๐ If it's a common known mistake probably that VAC ban can be excused.
Also when i play i'm habit to not scream,not put music,not offend other people and not use third apps softwares etc.i prefer to concentrate in gameplay\result,and when have people disturb i put mute on them instead of reply or fight because in my opinion is better use that time for play and have fun instead to lose it with bad people that want more fight than play.
Same, I tend to avoid multiplayer games nowadays because they disturb my peace with the game. I like to be social over the games, but often times chatting for me is a distraction.
Also i not understand (but this is not cheat\ban\mod etc.) why some people like to activate "ALL MAX Graphics" in videogames also when a graphic have negative effect in the game.
Just for make some example i see people like activate graphic that make background be blur\opaque (and they lose also FPS for do this!),but for me this is absurd because it damage the gameplay especially in open world games i want to see far\distance objects\buildings that i can reach
I don't do this, I only want my game to be able to support Widescreen and I'm pretty tolerable with the overall looks. Unless the game is old and needs adjustments. My wife loves tweeaking the graphics and stuff that makes the game look a lot more admospheric. Have you've seen Skyrim mods? Some of them change the overall look and feel of the game and that's epic and I totally support that.
The reason why some people like to trade visuals for a few frames is because:
- They can afford it due to their gear being capable to work in 60-120 frames with the mods or visual effects.
- Visuals are important for their overall feel and makes the game looks more pleasant. Therefore they enjoy it more.
OR for example all people like "High Quality Soft Shadows" but me instead prefer the minimum\low shadows and not for the "Performance\fps" but because i like them more (they is + visible) etc.
Again this is more a preference. Sometimes having harsher shadows or on Low/Medium, doesn't make much of a difference. Some people think trading a few frames for the idea that their game looks better. Again, if you can afford it, and your PC is a beast, I don't see why shouldn't you play the game with max details.
So in my opinion graphic effect\high must be activate only if FOR YOU make the game better,better gameplay or visual,and not only because have the word "MAX\High".
Sorry for this OT.
No worries, much appreciated, but I must disagree here. Why would someone bother to build an outstanding looking visuals for a game and a GPU being able to generate that image for you and you to not wish to see the game run at it's best visuals?
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Because MAX graphic NOT give "Best Visual", People think that by set all to MAX they get the BEST but it is NOT.
if a game at max graphic settings make the distance\far things be blur,it's not a best visual,is the worst,would be better so disactivate the dof (or i not remember what name that option) and see the game normal
if a game (like mad max) have an option graphic for activate the effect of desert\sahara "hot" temperature,but this effect "damage my view" of what i can see,is not the "best visual" is the worst,better not have it than have
if a game have the max settings for fogs or smoke,but maybe in that game so much smoke or fog hidden objects and you lose it because it make you can't see it,it's not the best visual it's the worst
And so on...
in my opinion it's better to disable or low the "max graphic" effects that damage the gameplay\visual
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Because MAX graphic NOT give "Best Visual", People think that by set all to MAX they get the BEST but it is NOT.
In some cases it does.It ads a lot more contrast, realism and good reflections. I hate bloom for instance or camera blur that just makes the whole visuals more difficult to trace.
Red Dead Redemption Graphical Comparrison
if a game have the max settings for fogs or smoke,but maybe in that game so much smoke or fog hidden objects and you lose it because it make you can't see it,it's not the best visual it's the worst
I see what you mean there, and that's true, I'd not like that and require more adjustment to it. Was Mad Max the only example you have? That game offers some decent visuals.
in my opinion it's better to disable or low the "max graphic" effects that damage the gameplay\visual
Well yes, I agree with that, but if it's not a problem, play it maxed.
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"I hate bloom for instance or camera blur that just makes the whole visuals more difficult to trace."
Yes this is what i mean,i disagree people that activate all or put all at max only because they think it give best result,this is NOT.
Best result (for self) is to disable or low graphic that lower the best visual for you (same as the example you say about the blur or bloom it's a perfect example)
i remember also have one deus ex that i enable Realtime Global Illumination Lights but it make the game be so much white colors,brightness so much and in that case for example i like to play it without that option colors was much better (i don't remember if is DERevolution or making divided or another)
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If they are not intrusive, I will enable them as any other.
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yes what i mean is,sometime is good thing to disable or low graphic if this give better visual feel for the player,and\but because this happen for many games,it's not a good idea most of time to set all to "MAX" opposite than most of people think.
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Here's one for you, a friend got he's steam account hacked and stolen and only realized it some months later. He contacted steam for help to recover he's account back and, after providing some proofs of game purchase and other previous ownership proofs, he got the account back but in the meanwhile the hacker had gain a VAC ban... He asked steam to remove it since he was not the owner o the account during that period (since he got hacked - and steam knew that) but they still said him the "VAC bans are permanent, non-negotiable, and cannot be removed by Steam Support" thing and up to now (almost 10 years afer that episode) he still has the VAC ban...
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That's a shitty thing to happen. I thought it's possible and imagine having to explain this to strangers. Every single time they ask you. Not everybody is going to believe that and it kills potential trades or other stuff you wanna do.
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You're probably right about that, but maybe there's some people who really don't care and have their conscious clean.
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I'm having a hard time coming to grips with why it would be a deal breaker for some people. Do people really get choosey about who they give a gift to? I take for granted that people don't want to get to know who they've given or gifted to on here. It's part of the sincerity and yet the mystique too.
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I see it differently. If people want to BL someone for having an almost 2 decades old ban with zero context, then so be it. If it gives them that warm fuzzy feeling inside, why deprive that from them? :P
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Easy; I never did. Because I'm not a cheating SOB.
And let's face a truth here folks, almost all VAC bans relates to punters doing bad stuff.
Are there/will there be false bans? Yes, as with all systems, there will always be errors - and I feel really bad for anyone falsely banned.
But most times I've heard people complain hard about their false bans it later turns out 'their friend/little brother' installed cheats, or they 'had cheats but did not use them', or had some software running hot but 'not interfering with the game'. Utter bull crap.
And this is why we berate anyone with a ban, because the infinitesimally small amount of false ban-complaints drown in a vast ocean of punks complaining about being caught out.
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That story with the brother stuff it's hard to believe at this point as I've heard it before.
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Did you know that cosmetic mods can trigger a lifetime VAC ban? You install a mod, for instance one that improves visual quality for an older game. You are not even aware that this could be a problem, because after all it's a cosmetic mod, not a cheat. So you wouldn't even think of checking for possible VAC related problems. And bam - you're banned. For life. Without using an actual cheat.
Did you know that you can also get banned without using any cheats or mods or any of the sort, just by using family sharing? You share your account to your little brother. He uses a cheat without your knowledge. Bam - you're banned.
False positives happen. Maybe even more often than we know. And if they happen, Valve will not help you because of their stupid zero tolerance policy. Zero tolerance means they will not even discuss that it might have been a false positive. Tough luck.
Apart from actual false positives, I also believe that these bans should be deleted from the database after a while. I bet you there are countless people who used a cheat one time as a teenager. Now they are adults, and after 10 or 15 years they are completely different people. A VAC ban should be deleted (completely deleted!), if the user hasn't produced another offense for 3 years or so.
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Did you know that cosmetic mods can trigger a lifetime VAC ban? Yes and no. I did not know about VAC ban specifically, but that certain cosmetic mods can trigger anti-cheat software is well known. Mostly in more modern competitive multiplayer games though, so to have that happen unbeknownst and without any intent must feel really bad. On the other hand: Any third party software that gives you an advantage (no matter how infinitesimal) should trigger a 'I need to check legality of this up before using'' thoughts with any account owner - or you might just be breaking a ToS somewhere. Remember, cheating is not only wall hacks, or aimbots, or I-get-all-the-mana-and-gold, better visuals can equal an unfair advantage too - even if you as a player is not aware or intends it. Really, any software that goes against the ToS is technically cheating and could trigger a ban. Players should be really careful installing/running any such software without checking it up first.
your little brother. He uses a cheat without your knowledge. Damn right. It is the account owners responsibility regardless of who uses cheats on the account. I'm sorry, I can feel for the person - I really can - but I will not say it is wrong. Sharing your account with people means you take a risk, and you should make sure they understand before. If not, shit can hit the fan. I see this as no different than me taking a hunters license, getting a rifle, then keeping it in a closet where my little brother gets hold of it and he runs off with it and shoots someone. I will be held responsible for that, as is right.
False positives happen. Yes, and this is where I agree with you - not being able to even discuss a VAC ban is not a good thing. However, how do you suggest Valve should handle it? As legitimate false bans do happen (I have no proof other than I have yet to see any fool proof system anywhere in the world in any regards, shit can and will happen to all systems) how do you prove that? How many do you have to hire to just sort out claims that should be looked into from the ones that should not be? Then how to decide if there is no evidence? For clarity, I am not shooting your claim down here - I just see it as an enormous task that will be difficult and expensive to do - if even possible at all without a huge effort.
I also believe that these bans should be deleted from the database after a while. No argument from me here. An account with an old ban on it (without any repeats, of course) should be cleared. People do grow up as you say. There should perhaps be a multitude of steps for this. For example a single VAC ban 5YO degrades to a VAC warning for 5Y, then goes away completely. 2 VAC bans degrades to a VAC warning 10Y after the last issued, and goes away after 5Y. Three Vac bans or more stays longer, or permanent. Or something similar, I'm sure smarter people than I can think of even more suitable flow charts on this than I can.
Look, I'm basically not arguing with you. I know there are false bans, We've all seen them happen on YT or wherever, and it is not good at all. But at the same time the truth is 99.99999999999999% of them are not - people were cheating (according a ToS somewhere, which does not care if you had a wallhack or only had greener trees with more detailed leaves on - it's third party software that either change game files or how they are presented on your screen in real time) and therefore deserve the ban. Maybe not for life though, especially for 'mistakes'.
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"Utter bull crap"
Even though some games flag you as cheating simply for simply having a cheat engine process open...
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Well, yes? How do you expect the game to know your intentions?
Point an unloaded gun at a cop and get surprised he shoots you anyway?
And this clearly explains why they really couldn't discuss a ban if you got one. How could you prove that you did not intend to use it for cheating? You can't. And it will be against the ToS so technically you did cheat - even if you didn't gain anything here. Using such software is a Pandoras Box best left unopened. Buy you do you, I guess.
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"How could you prove that you did not intend to use it"
Why should this matter? No illegal actions were performed which should be known. Why is it their business to scan processes on my computer? These apples to oranges comparisons make no sense... The software is really just a memory editor. I own my RAM and should be able to use such software. They don't check for interference with that particular game, just whether or not it was detected. They could check for actual direct tampering but no. THAT is the real "utter bullcrap". Never banned btw.
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The intrusiveness of anti-cheats have been a long standing discussion, I'll give you that. It is a double-edged sword, on one hand we want them to very effective - to stop cheaters. But we don't want them to be intrusive, which gives cheaters the wiggle room they need to continue instead.
Why is it their business to scan processes on my computer?
Well, online multiplayer games comes with certain restrictions, and this is one of them. If they don't the game won't work at all due cheaters running amok. So it really comes down to dull legalities and your own actions. You agreed to let their software monitor certain things when you clicked YES, on the ToS. You agreed not to do certain things while the game is running. If you did not agree with the ToS, you should have clicked NO and uninstalled instead. It would mean not playing the game yes, but you would have your machine to yourself.
But what I don't get from your comment is; Your anticheat software most likely only scans and reports known cheats/cheating processes in use, it does not report all your processes or what you are using them for, and you argue that that is intrusive. But you want to give the software even more rights, to see if you are actually using it and exactly how you are using it, and the exact effect on your PC in relation to the game or peripherals used in the game, to remove the intrusiveness?
It's like saying: Don't point a gun at me - it makes me feel uncomfortable. Shoot me in the face instead, much better....
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Your arguments make no sense. Aside from trying to assume I "clicked YES" since this is all hypothetical and I'm against these practices by Devs, the ability to keep cheating under control is in no way hinged upon the scanning of memory editors...
"it does not report all your processes or what you are using them for" - Again what relevancy does this have? The point of contention is that this is done at all. It's unnecessary and premeditative. You CAN determine cheat use directly. Having a process open, is of no consequence.
You're just pushing bad practices and lazy design because "It was in the TOS" as if that makes things right to do. It's just a magnet for false positives. Sorry that triggers you so badly, but "Because I'm not a cheating SOB." and your endless blanketing just gives you away.
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You are correct (I guess, I'm no anti cheat expert) that it is not 'hinged' on it as you say, but it is a part of it. Any modern cheat uses many different approaches, and Memory Editors are one of them. It's used to inject code into the memory to change it to better fit the cheaters agenda. So monitoring if such software is being run simultaneously as the game would be a no-brainer, don't you think? It's a rather low effort (for your pc) way of seeing if someone is starting up processes well know for cheat-use, without interfering too much with client/back-end comms of the game, or hogging too much Resources on you PC while doing it.
And there your agreeing to the ToS very much becomes an real thing, weather you like it or not, or call me names or not. You agreed to it, but now you complain about it? So remove the anti-cheat software, uninstall the game, and be rid of it. It's not like you are locked into this forever, now is it?
But yeah, if you can back up your 'lazy' comment with actual ideas on how to do it better, on how to unintrusively both see if detrimental software is being run on client end, and tell if it's used legitimately or not, without disturbing the game itself or hogging pc power too much, then I suggest you sell your ideas to anti-cheat developers so they can build better software- You will be rich, and loved by all gamers world wide. Until then, I just suggest don't install and use software that angers you so.
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"on how to unintrusively both" Well there it is right there LMAO. I won't be rich, it has been done. Try to use cheat engine on starcraft now. There are plenty of ways to prevent changing memory even locally, as well as determining if the memory was edited. Maybe you should look into the topic before discussing it. It's simply laziness, and it's intellectual dishonesty on your end to ignore this fact. As if legality is the be-all-end-all of the matter... that's all you can harp on. I don't know how to get through to you that determining if it's running has NOTHING to do with whether or not it was used. It stops no one. You can get around it and it's unnecessary (not to mention that a blacklist of processes is just a terrible idea overall to combat cheating), but make another wall of text telling me how the ToS is the argument ending point.
"And there you're agreeing to the ToS very much becomes a real thing " And I thought we established that I didn't agree to the TOS. I don't see why having a differing opinion here is mutually exclusive with having not used the software to cheat, but hey I guess that's why you keep stopping to assume every which way about everyone who doesn't agree with premeditative action.
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We seem to be thinking the same thing of each other.
You don't think I understand that ''that determining if it's running has NOTHING to do with whether or not it was used'', which I do.
And I don't think you understand that it is completely irrelevant if you did or didn't - the point is you agreed not to run it all.
So as we both sit and think the other is an idiot, I'm gonna get off here because I don't think we will get any further now.
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Never got banned because I just don't need to cheat or want to. It does help that I tend to avoid games where cheating is even a thing in the first lace.
PS: I know a guy who got banned in 100% OJ. lol
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100% Orange Juice? Well that has multiplayer, so yeah. I guess they exploited something or maybe toxic?
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I got at least 2 warnings on CS-GO that my connection or something was fishy, I was just kicked of the session (just playing Dust II casual). That's the closest thing to a VAC ban for me, and of course It was a false positive. One of my contacts got a VAC on Killing Floor for using the leveling exploit on X server. He was so mad because It was one of those old accounts that he used to sell ๐
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It seems that the most common way to get a VAC ban is through Counter Strike. It's probably because it's the most played game out of all the other FPS's.
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Something interesting regarding VAC and false positives:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG6fo34JOAk&t=171s&ab_channel=SuperBunnyhop
It's frankly outrageous that these bans are for life when VAC works like it does.
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I knew false positives were a thing, but this is just next level lol.
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Feeling sorry for people who got VAC banned for using a mod to just make a game pretty. ๐ฅ
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This mod use opengl injectors to .exe file, it's not a vac mistake. In this method work moustly cheats.
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I think it is a mistake and mods like these should be whitelisted. You basically said it yourself. Mostly cheats use dll injection. Mostly (and I even have my doubts about that). There are also mods doing it that are not cheats. So detecting them as cheats is a mistake. This seems very clear to me. If Valve wants to use a method that bans based on process behavior, they should absolutely allow for false-positive complaints and whitelist if necessary. Zero-tolerance is only viable if your method is 100% accurate, and VAC is not.
Think of anti-malware software. They also flag every unknown process that uses functions like OpenProcess or ReadProcessMemory (if I recall correctly). But you can apply for whitelisting, so your program works for your customers and doesn't trigger the antivirus every time. Valve should do the same. And they should do it based on customer complaints about false-positives. Instead, from what I've read, they just tell you about their zero-tolerance policy and that you will face even more consequences if you write them again. :/
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I use similar mod for game Return to Castle Wolfenstein what add new effects and make graphic better. But, also I can create specific shader what in couple with this graphic mod, give me transparent walls or illumination aura around enemies. Good ideas and mods in wrong hand can give problem to other player's. If it only SP mode it's not a problem, but here we talk about TeamFortress. This why any injection method mods are potentially harmful.
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That's shit of a logic. Serial killers are mostly humans, you are human, so you must go to jail.
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I'm crying for those who really made minor mistakes and got punished by it. ๐
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I got got by an indie game on Steam, called Depth. I boldly used cheat engine in an attempt to increase my game points, so I could unlock more shit ingame. Grave mistake that was, never thought a game like that would use VAC. Learn from me, and don't trust any steam game (check store page first).
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I've never checked a steam game for that particular thing. I mean some games have anti-cheat, but I never bothered. Elden Ring has an anti-cheat and I've used Flawless Widescreen on it, but there's a fair warning that it could get me flagged. So I stopped. I rather not risk getting banner or something for an ultrawide feature and just rather wait. I'm sorry you had to go through that.
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This Deepth (https://store.steampowered.com/app/274940/Depth/)? It's multiplayer base game with anticheat, ofcourse using any hex-editors will be result like ban.
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I lent my old account to a friend who got VAC for me ... and he had audacity to lie to me that he didn`t cheat :D (spilled the beans afterwards)
It only had COD MW on it so not a big loss, but it was created around the time I got into gaming. For reference my current account is 6 years old, but the original one was around 12 years old.. was a bit sentimental and sad that I couldnt continue building my library in that one.. But yeah - didnt really want that VAC to be branded for whole of my life especially when I didnt get it myself
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Besides, not everybody is going to believe you and often times they tend to harass people, no matter if you were the one or not.
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But jokes aside, I personally look a bit wary at those who get VACs ... while false positives are there most of them actually cheated and literally ruin the experience of others.. and for what ? Some superiority feeling ? Accomplishing absolutely nothing ? 20/1 K/D ratio which is not valid ? ... Somehow everyone didn't cheat or don't know how they got the VAC when asked about it .. even me saying that a friend got it on my acc - I wouldn`t believe it myself.
So I suppose I answered the other discussions question here as well :D
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Yeah, not everybody is going to say the truth. Btw, the link isn't working.
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I've never been VAC banned, on an account or game I own. However... 15+ years ago, I did play CS:S with my gf's brother when I'd go visit her parents. He had a few copies of the game, was hardcore addicted. One day he came to the realization he played too damn much, and felt the only way to stop was to get all his accounts banned, so... We downloaded some aimbots, and went on a trolling spree pretending to be FPS Doug (youtube if unaware). Naturally got all his accounts banned within a day. Sadly, it didn't help his addiction to the game, he went and bought more copies like a week later if I recall right, but I never played it again.
That was the only time I cheated in a PvP game, and I won't lie, it was fun trolling, but yah, I don't like cheating, my enjoyment of competitive games comes from actually playing good. Only reason I even cheat, was simply because it was his accounts, and he wanted them all banned to stop him from continuing playing.
All that in mind though, I'm not gonna judge people with bans, would be hypocritical, and I'm not one of the "once a cheater, always a cheater" believers. At most, I'll be skeptical of them if they're recent enough. In the end though, everyone does stupid stuff at one point or another in their life, sometimes that's with games. That and well, wrongful bans do occur, whether some want to acknowledge or not. Sure it's not a huge epidemic, but it can happen.
I'll wrap this all up by saying... If you've cheat in the past, acknowledge your mistakes, move on, don't do it again. If you cheat now, just stop, you're ruining games for others, and for what? If you get your joy from pissing others off, you need to grow up, or potentially seek help. If you cheat because you suck, well guess what, everyone fails before they succeed, work at it and improve.
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Interesting story. I gotta admit, I appreciate the transparency and coming out sharing your story.
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I see no reason in hiding it, what's the worst that'll happen, a few blacklists? Meh.
Lots of people cheat, a good portion of the people who said no in the poll likely do and just won't admit to it. I'm not saying I condone it, hell it pisses me off, right now in DBD for example, there is a huge cheater issue, and I hate encountering them, but yah. It's pretty common human behaviour, in games, relationships, tests, etc etc. People cheat and lie all the time. What matters in the end is whether or not people will take accountability and try to be better.
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I see no reason in hiding it, what's the worst that'll happen, a few blacklists? Meh.
Blacklisting should be for more reasons than honesty really. People do abuse their blacklistings for things they don't agree. I'd be happy if there was more good use, but oh well.
Lots of people cheat, a good portion of the people who said no in the poll likely do and just won't admit to it. I'm not saying I condone it, hell it pisses me off, right now in DBD for example, there is a huge cheater issue, and I hate encountering them, but yah. It's pretty common human behaviour, in games, relationships, tests, etc etc. People cheat and lie all the time. What matters in the end is whether or not people will take accountability and try to be better.
True, there's always a form or another. Sure, I do believe there's people out there who never cheated because they never needed to, but discovered and used exploits, which is a form of cheating too. Luckily, not everybody gets banned for nonsense like that.
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Never got banned. I'm not into cheating and I have never used a mod or anything else to modify any game.
From what I understand, getting banned happens with mp games and I don't play those. I played coop 3 times in my life and I don't like them either. I prefer taking my time. I start a game and finish it whenever I feel like it. It may take a couple of days or months.
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I feel I am like that too and even when I did play online, I never really intended to cheat. But thanks for sharing your views. What games are you up to lately that you plan on finishing?
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I never got VAC Ban but for the story i got a 6 months Battle.net ban.
When i was a teen, i played Diablo 2 with some family members but i didn't know why, they were much faster and i couldn't follow them.
Then they told me : "install this, you'll see the full map, so you can follow us and you won't be a dead weight anymore".
Honestly i liked a lot using it because i've just no orientation sense, and it was so fun to teleport so fast with them.
Years later, we got taken in a ban wave. And then i learnt it was called a maphack and we had no right to use this.
No i didn't understand that it was detrimental to the other players. Yes i understand the sanction was fair.
End of story (hey i'm 35 years old now, since then i replayed Diablo II full solo multiple times without that and had a lot of fun)
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How is your sense of orientation now? ๐
I don't see it being a bad thing really. And 6 months is a lot better than a label that haunts you your entire life while gaming and full restriction on those games.
They treated it fairly, although I don't see it as being such a problem since the mod helped only you and your family members.
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How is your sense of orientation now? ๐
Still shitty. Sometimes i got lost is 3D games, for example in counter strike. But as my reflexes are getting worse too, i tend to search for slower games now anyway.
I don't see it being a bad thing really. And 6 months is a lot better than a label that haunts you your entire life while gaming and full restriction on those games.
I agree that a perma-mark is quite harsh for those who cheat on Steam (i played counter strike for +15 years without cheating so i can understand the frustration to play normally vs some random cheaters for years). If we think about that, the irl equivalent would be to write on the thieves forehead the word "thief" for 10 years, it would seem extremely severe ! And would we write "cheater" irl on the forehead of someone who cheated at the casino ? ๐ (i understand that he would not be allowed to play at the casino for a while though)
They treated it fairly, although I don't see it as being such a problem since the mod helped only you and your family members.
Yeah 6 months was fair. Now i can understand Blizzard logic : if we play and farm loot faster, it can change the loot balance between players.
The funny thing however, last time i played Diablo 2 years ago, there were plenty of bots and maphacks became useless because we just had to pass through the portal opened by a bot to the boss. Why the bot was programmed to do that ? With more people in its group, the bot farmed better loot ! Human players had all become companions of the bots ! (It was not our bots, so we were not in fault, but we were happy to use these fast portals !) ๐
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Still shitty. Sometimes i got lost is 3D games, for example in counter strike. But as my reflexes are getting worse too, i tend to search for slower games now anyway.
Sorry to hear that. Do you feel the same in real life while following directions?
I agree that a perma-mark is quite harsh for those who cheat on Steam (i played counter strike for +15 years without cheating so i can understand the frustration to play normally vs some random cheaters for years). If we think about that, the irl equivalent would be to write on the thieves forehead the word "thief" for 10 years, it would seem extremely severe ! And would we write "cheater" irl on the forehead of someone who cheated at the casino ? ๐ (i understand that he would not be allowed to play at the casino for a while though)
Truth! At least they are allowed to game other games that don't have VAC ban.
Yeah 6 months was fair. Now i can understand Blizzard logic : if we play and farm loot faster, it can change the loot balance between players.
The funny thing however, last time i played Diablo 2 years ago, there were plenty of bots and maphacks became useless because we just had to pass through the portal opened by a bot to the boss. Why the bot was programmed to do that ? With more people in its group, the bot farmed better loot ! Human players had all become companions of the bots ! (It was not our bots, so we were not in fault, but we were happy to use these fast portals !) ๐
Those bots don't last long really. It's only a matter of time until an account gets removed, to be replaced by another. That's the best they can do. Think about it. You're a company to ensure entertainment, not bodyguard every silly cheater on the platform playing your game. When it hurts your budget, well... then you as a development company either pay someone or you do it yourself to deal with bots and cheats.
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Sorry to hear that. Do you feel the same in real life while following directions?
Nah ! The problem in game or irl, it's not following directions, it's when it's not usual and there is no more direction ! XD
Truth! At least they are allowed to game other games that don't have VAC ban.
I forgot that. You're right, they can still play, there is just the stigma.
Those bots don't last long really. It's only a matter of time until an account gets removed, to be replaced by another. That's the best they can do. Think about it. You're a company to ensure entertainment, not bodyguard every silly cheater on the platform playing your game. When it hurts your budget, well... then you as a development company either pay someone or you do it yourself to deal with bots and cheats.
When there was none, the high level players were taxiing the new players, the bots didn't kill the fun in fact, they just automated the leveling and taxiing. At least that's how we perceived them, bots got loot and we got fast transportation and fast leveling. But i've read that there were real money exchanges behind this bots system and that's why Blizzard didn't like it.
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Nah ! The problem in game or irl, it's not following directions, it's when it's not usual and there is no more direction ! XD
I try to follow my intuition most of the time. Most of the times I get there. ๐
When there was none, the high level players were taxiing the new players, the bots didn't kill the fun in fact, they just automated the leveling and taxiing. At least that's how we perceived them, bots got loot and we got fast transportation and fast leveling. But i've read that there were real money exchanges behind this bots system and that's why Blizzard didn't like it.
Yeah, when it comes to money made off of that, no developers appreciate it for some reason. ๐คฃ When you speak about taxi, it really reminds me of an MMO I used to play when a was much younger. Back in 2003 or 2005. I can't recall the date, there was a game called Silkroad Online.
In this game you'd get taxied by players and later on there were bots. I've played this game A LOT as a kid.
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Hi there,
Since I created my previous topic to Why do people dislike/hate VAC Banned accounts here? I wanted to explore further and ask people that are part of this community to share, if they want, their story of getting VAC banned and what have they learned from it.
I think a better understanding of the situation can clear out some names. You don't have to voice out if you feel uncomfortable about it, but if you do, I'm sure others and myself included appreciate it.
Thank you for sharing your story! ๐๐ป
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