Thanks, i haven't actually opened the invitation yet, just saw it on the table, so it's probably in there.

They had some delivery problems though, and many people including health care workers were afraid to get astrozeneca and some end up in the wastebin and call it bin vaccins, in which people can go wait in a line that want a vaccin already to get one (although if they are out you waited for nothing).
That's why i believed they tried to stretch things a bit, but i could be wrong.

I'm getting the Pfizer vaccine, which is 6 weeks from the first to the second dose.

That is interesting, I got Pfizer and so did several others in my family, and it was 3 weeks between the 1st shot and the 2nd shot.

Hope so too for you.

The Netherlands is constantly screwing up things lately. :p

Yeah Astrozeneca seems to be more of a risk to young women (on birthcontrol) if i was healthy though was less of a deal, but i am not, but it's the same with getting a vaccin, you can still get corona, only it leads to mild complications, but noone really says what they are. People also get "mild" complications but end up with lung problems or even brain damage, i wouldn't call that mild.

I got my J+J because it was the only option at the time, also the least effecitve. I was awful sick the next day, but it cleared up ok.

Hope so too for you.

Yeah i had that last time with just getting my blood tested, next day it went all blue, then green and yellow, lasted way over 2 weeks, probably hit the vain wrong or something. Some of them just can't do a shot right.

I always do, beside normal water, am a tea lover! ;) Although its healthier to drink green tea apparently, but i need the caffeine. :p

But they can't "force" you either, here you can decline astrozeneca, only you gotta wait a lot longer for another vaccin then, or if you decline astrozeneca you really would get nothing else later?

Biggest risk group seems to be older people and young women (on birth control) so if you are a young guy it seems to have less risk, but if you are one of the other groups then yes i can understand your fear.

I think the AstraZeneca drama is wildly exaggerated...I would have no problem getting that one, with that being said, from what I heard the mRNA vaccines (Pfizer, Morderna) just seem to be better anyway.

No one died because of the vaccine. Suggest you look for more information.

Are they forcing the russian vaccin (i wouldn't personally trust that one myself either, but also not the chinese one, since it all started there) on you or you could also get other brands?

Russia has many other problems, and so do other countries but only all together we can get the virus down, if it "stays" in russia or bulgaria (50% doesn't want to get a vaccin, i dunno the numbers in russia) then we be stuck for it forever.

Cheers.

And the whole lying about it and how it's so standard in our government and yet our prime minister (today he was speaking in name of all of us how he/we fully supported Isreal) gets away with it yet again and nothing is going to change again. :(

Hope your mom is doing okay, yeah that's what i question, did America and maybe even China with such a large population buy most of the vaccins out under the rest of the countries so Europe couldn't get vaccins, or did they purposely made mistakes?

Shortage with oxygen tanks are also everywhere, Brazil, India, i think they should atleast get help with that from other countries.

Thank you, certainly will do, you stay safe too.

In ways it's also weird to understand if you really think about it, how many operations (or chemo's) been postponed for over a year now and will encounter the sideeffects (if you aren't already dead) because corona patients have to go first, but that also includes people that willingly neglected any protection and went partying with large groups.

Grats on your first dose though.

Thank you.

In some countries, some people died because of trombose, they say it would have happened to those people anyway and the EMA says it's safe, but who really knows in the end? And offcourse these vaccins have been pushed through very quickly where otherwise it would have taken years, could really be anything, but i am not a doctor or chemist, someone here must know a lot better.

Yeah those old 30'ers. :p

Good you getting one though.

good luck with the new job - :)

Thanks.

Hope you get one soon. :)

Thanks, and good to here it's good there. :)

Oh weird, and how old is your mother then?

I also received Moderna. First shot was just as you described, a sore arm. 2nd shot knocked me on my rear end for a day. If you are able, try not to schedule anything the day after your 2nd shot.

Thanks.

That seems really slow yeah if only today your grandpa received one. :x Hope the spread/infections aren't bad there.

I read in america or something they offered $1000 (companies atleast if you work for them).

I am sure African countries and such will be the very last, if they can even afford it.

Thanks.

Netherlands, in the beginning we did one of the worst when it came to vaccinations.

Sorry to hear first time i hear someone can't get a vaccin due health issues, may i ask what they are?

But you can still get it a second time in a short period, it does not make you immune, be careful.

Yeah but with 193cm i wasn't a type that would take an airplane quickly anyway. :p Each year you seemed to go with it, the less legspace you got, i try to avoid public transport too.
Also travel agencies smelled the money and selling their scarce holidays for major prices.

I wouldn't go outside much unless the R number as well call it is well below the 1 and even then, 1/3th apparently doesn't want to get vaccinated, it's a high risk still getting in contact with someone that could be infected, and suppose your vaccin didn't work for you.

Thanks.

It's always been shady anyway, you don't know if someone picked their nose, went to the toilet without washing. 😁

We have 7 million people vaccinated (we are with 18 million total), 1/3th apparently doesn't want to get vaccinated, i definitely not going to go outside like it was normal until that R number is way down, even with all those people that did have a vaccin already.
That number and people on the IC are/were still high until 2 weeks ago, it only now starts to go down.
But it's also bad weather, if people went outside massively i am sure we had hit a (hospital) crisis, we had Kingsday and a bunch of groups also neglected any rule and just partied and they also had groups of infected people.

Yeah it's selfish, i can slightly understand when it's because of religious factors, but when people start to think Bill Gates might secretly chip them and such, and not getting a vaccin is even 1 thing, but it's also the same people that go to massive demonstrations or parties, and just also neglect any distancting and such and that makes them dangerous.

My mother wanted to wait till she was confident there would be no major sideeffects but she decided to go for one anyway because of all the other reckless people out there.

Well we also already learned a bit about that when social media started, the things people say to eachother on twitter.
In WW2 (or any other war) people had a curfew and couldnt do much for 5 years and then people complain about not being able to go to their favorite store or get a beer on a terrace, like grow up. When the stores just opened, people waited massively in a line (with no distancing) to get some pants or whatever, i wouldn't even do that if they gave clothes away for free.

Cheers.

The EU is destructing a lot of things for the average person, most plans they got we pay financially for it.

Well the panic around astrazeneca was risk of blood clots (which wouldn't always be deadly) but being a risk of 1 on 100:000 which is a small chance, and more chances with young women (on birth control) so as a guy i guess even less risk.

But apparently you had the same chance on bloodclots just by taking a car ride or plane trip.

Probably different statistics for countries, sure AZ blood clot risk is low but others have even less risk so it's up to each person to gauge what risk they're willing to take. I wouldn't say I'd never take it but if I could choose I'd choose a safer one for my situation. If I was in a hotspot, then the risk judgement would change. No idea why they panicked over it, the risk was stated at the start, then suddenly no one wants to be "that one".

You can't blame anyone for not wanting to take the risk or any gov for wanting to take the least chances of any public downfall during this epidemic. Although unfortunately, politics and business is still messing with the health crisis.