This is a big deal? The X-men and Fantastic four haven't been good in years.
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Don't know if it's a big deal. I think that it's a shitty move for longtime fans of the games. Wolverine, Cyclops and Magnetto were fan favorites since the first iterations. It's like having a King of Fighters without Kyo or a Street Fighter without Ken.
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ahhh, for most people I know, wolverine was as popular of a character select as Ryu is... almost close to the face of the franchise. When people think of X-men... its usually wolverine - as seen by his multiple stand alone successful movies. But meh.
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You say tomato i say potato. It's the same thing. They screw it up.
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Capcom is full of shit, I agree, but if it's legally impossible to have such a game, what's the point of complaining?
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They have the videogames rights. They could use them, but an increase of popularity on this characters, may be beneficial to the Movie rights owners
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Now that is interesting. I looked into a bit, and this doesn't apply only to games:
A few months after news broke in late 2013 that Fox was making their eighth "X-Men" movie, Marvel announced it was killing off Wolverine. He's one of the most popular X-Men, and comic book fans quickly grew suspicious.
...Marvel is willing to sacrifice its comics for the future of its films. That in an effort to thwart Fox's success on the back of characters it created, the company will change its plots and even kill off its characters — in short, it wants Fox to fail.
...Marvel has also told writers to stop creating new X-Men characters and that one of its classic comics "Fantastic Four" is being cancelled to derail Fox's new movie.
(Source: https://www.marketplace.org/2015/03/20/business/comic-book-battles-behind-big-screen, a business radio show)
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I'm a comic book fan and the controversy goes way back to the beginnings of the success of the marvel cinematic universe and before Disney got involved - probably to about the time of the hamfisted replacement of the original Nick Fury with black Nick Fury to suit the movies.
It's only gotten worse as Disney have taken over Marvel and relations with Fox have deteriorated with the attempts to replace mutants with the inhumans that can still be used in movies by Disney and so on and so forth. Not to mention the various conflicts with anyone else that bought certain rights from Marvel before they started pushing their own movies.
I can't see any legal problems with using mutant characters in the videogame - it's just that comics and games both now clearly considered to be in large part simply advertising for the big money spinning movies and related merchandise. And any characters that are advertising somebody elses movies are clearly in more danger than they would be from any super villain...
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Yeah. No. Marvel had an alternate universe way before the MCU where Nick Fury was based of Samuel L. Jackson. Also the inhuman gimmick never caught on, not as it should have so they needed to do whatever the fuck they're doing in the X-men comics.Which haven't been as good as they should have been in years. X-men has sort of run it's course and this is coming from a massive X-men fan.
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Movie Nick Fury was based on the Samuel L Jackson lookalike in the 'Ultimates' alternate continuity, which is the series that that the Avengers movies were in large part based on. But then in the main comic book continuity the original Nick Fury was replaced by his illegitimate black son (who looked like Samuel L Jackson) to match the movies in extremely ludicrous and contrived circumstances. Just to clarify what I'm talking about...
The inhumans as replacements for mutants didn't really catch on despite being pushed in the comic books and the Agents of SHIELD TV show - but I felt it was an example of several incidents where comic book continuity/storylines suffered to try and evade movie rights issues and benefit the MCU.
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Eh I stopped paying attention to the Shield side of things, I vaguely remember that story. Though the ultimate universe ceased to exist in whichever massive cross over event where Doom became a god. I thought it happened in that one, though Original Sin was before that.
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Nick Fury got replaced well before the destruction/merging of the Ultimate universe into the new main universe (although that event was arguably one of a number that was mostly just to fix things for the benefit of the cinematic universe).
A popular summary posted on comic book forums at the time of the black Nick Fury controversy for the benefit of anyone who hadn't read the (shitty) comic book was as follows;
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That is... Wow. That Is really Stupid. Marvel really decided to screw up old fans
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That is an actual thing that happened. And fair enough - it is Marvel (and now Disney) that has ownership and control over these things rather than fans. But it was one of a number of things that suddenly shit all over ongoing plotlines and character development and continuity that fans had been paying to follow for years in the name of corporate marketing.
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Marvel has made several really stupid moves over the years.
I'm just wondering how Marvel will deal with anybody mentioning the whole "condoned rape" [Avengers 200] when they release the Captain Marvel movie.
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Well that mess was down to shitty writing, poor editorial oversight, different attitudes of the time and simple misogyny. Tumblr would have gone nuclear if it had happened in this day and age. Chris Claremont at least had the X-Men rescue her and call it out for what it was.
The more immediate issue for me is that (despite a few aliens also using the name at different times) the Captain Marvel that myself and many others grew up with was Monica Rambeau - iconic black female superhero and leader of the Avengers. It was the relatively obscure Ms. Marvel that got space-rohypnoled way back then.
You might think that somebody who was leader of the Avengers for years might at least get a mention in the MCU. Instead the rise of the MCU coincided with the introduction of aryan superwoman Captain Marvel - now a major character in time for the Captain Marvel movie.
Poor Monica, at least Warren Ellis remembered her...
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My Captain was Mar-Vell (IMHO the best comic death Marvel or DC) or Captain Marvel (Fawcett) [aka Shazam].
I barely remember Monica ... but by then I was just quitting comics.
Then again I'm still waiting for the Dazzler movie with Farrah Fawcett. Considering she's been dead 8 years and was 30+ years beyond the right age then for that movie ... I guess It's not going to happen.
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Still better than that "Peter Parker is magically changed into big spider only so the big spider would die giving 'birth' to Peter Parker" all that so comic spider could shoot web from his own hands, like it was in movies.
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This sounds about right. This is something that Marvel made the decision on more than likely not Capcom.
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And yet Disney doesn't own the rights to the X-Men, (not-so-)Fantastic Four and Deadpool, so how can they have any say if they are in MvC Infinite?
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They don't own the rights to them as far as movies go. If they didn't own the rights to them at all, they wouldn't be able to publish the comics under Marvel.
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Disney outright owns all of Marvel and LucasArts/LucasFilm properties, having acquired both companies.
Fox however still retains some rights to previous Star Wars films, and to certain Marvel franchises.
In short, there's no reason for the game to have 14 characters all [Yes, even Ghost Rider] from current or planned-for-near-release Disney-Marvel films, with most based solely in Avengers and Guardians, rather than including other characters from the very, very expansive Marvel universe. One of the main appeals of previous Marvel V. games was that they catered to the fandom; that's clearly no longer the case. Capcom is indicating the basis for that shift is in wanting to appeal to modern tastes; yet, X-Men and Deadpool, at the very least, are still very, very influential, with active film releases and major recognition. The only reason Disney could have to want to exclude some of their most notable characters (that is, foremost, Wolverine and Deadpool) would be because of not wanting to support Fox.
Issues with Fox aside, the roster is, frankly, a weird consideration, based entirely in Disney treating the game like an advertisement for their films, and again, pretty different from what Marvel V. fans are used to.
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I don't know about us but I most certainly don't. If I wanna play a beat em up that pits various character from different franchises against each other I'll just play Smash Brothers but that's probably just me not giving a crap about any of those Capcom characters.
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I'm more of a DC fan myself (Lobo & Etrigan FTW) but I'm starting to warm up with Marvel.
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Sure, but Marvel games tie in to Street Fighter- I mean, Capcom- and DC games to Mortal Kombat.
If you're a fan of DC and not of Capcom, you should find the current split rather favorable, I think.
Injustice 2 even just got a fresh tease for a new character pack.
Personally, I'm quite content to have a nice spread of offerings between the various companies. After all, Injustice, MvC, and Smash Bros all play quite differently from one another. And of course, then there's the more fringe mash-ups, that we occasionally get.
(And that's not even getting into the non-exported Japan-released anime-mash-ups.)
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Well if I come across the console version for cheap (or I get it "for free" with PS+) I'll give it a go.
Yeah, I'm looking forward to Injustice 2. I won the first part here on SG and was surprised how good the story was for a beat em up but my PC could barely handle it even after switching to my ancient tiny screen so I'll have to play it on PS4.
Wow, that really is a tease :D I'm more of the "I'll check it out when it's done" type of guy ;)
Edit in response to your Edit: Yeah, more variety is always good :D
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Speaking of anime mash-ups, here's one I doubt many have heard of: Sunday vs Magazine.It has so many anime characters that I recognize but are lesser known like the guy from Air Gear, inuyasha, The law of Ueki, Ushio no Tora, Kenichi the mightiest disciple and some more popular ones like hajime no ippo or fairy tail and a few I don't recognize or forgot the name of.
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Well, not sure it's worth the emphasis you're giving it, but you certainly have a point nevertheless. The roster is completely biased to the current Disney movies- being based nearly entirely in the Guardians and Avengers line-up- and the Capcom statements are completely nonsensical.
Still, we've never had a fighting game that gave us all the characters we wanted, other than perhaps Street Fighter Alpha 3 and Ultimate MK 3. And, y'know, for all the blandness of the Marvel side of things, the Capcom selection looks nice and diverse. The game should still be fun.
Disney is definitely being heavy-handed in some respects with its Marvel and LucasArts properties, but on the other hand, we're also getting more emphasis on those properties than we have in the past. Compared to all the things we could be stressing over, this seems like one of the things where we can safely just appreciate what we do get.
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This sucks, but... I'm just a [very] casual fighting games player, so I guess my opinion probably doesn't really matter too much on it. If characters are too similar, I'd be okay with just having different skins.
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Previous MvC games did skins with slightly tweaked movesets. For example, despite her often being dismissed as a joke character due to having weaker hits than Mega-Man, I always found Roll to be very agreeable to play.
The amount of work involved in just tweaking stats and a few moves would certainly be less than making a new character from scratch.
That said, it's the era of DLCs- regardless of Disney's intents with the initial release, it'd be a very odd decision to skip out on making the most of the game by releasing character packs (as has become a norm for fighting games). Whether it's reskins or entirely new movesets, it'd be surprising if they didn't eventually expand the roster in a way that catered to tastes outside of their current film franchises.
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Although it's clear it's not good It's not that severe with X-Men believe it or not.. but Fantastic Four is a different story. Gazillion Entertainment when they renewed their license with Marvel for Marvel Heroes they had to stop selling all 4 Fantastic Four members as well as Silver Surfer and all the Future Foundation costumes on all characters. Dr. Doom was still allowed to be sold. X-Men are still being sold.
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That's interesting considering I started playing Marvel Heroes Omega a few month ago. Did previous owners on PC get to keep them?
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Yes anyone who purchased those characters and costumes were able to keep them. Unfortunately Dooms default costume changed to his classic green and the Future Foundation costume was removed. If you used the blender on the default you lost it(yes I did it smh)
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Thanks. I'll probably watch a Beginners Guide sometime to see how they play.
So I'd better not hold my breath for them to make it to console.
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Actually I'm new and have only played the PS4 version. I was always unsure about the game on Steam because of all the negative reviews with several thousand hours playtime but a few month ago my buddies got me to try it and while I was not a huge fan at first after I convinced them to switch to heroic and higher I started to like it quite a lot. What I ment was that if those character were removed from the PC version for legal reasons I shouldn't get my hopes up that they'll be added to the console version. I was wondering because Nightcrawler and Blackcat were added since I started playing.
I guess you could say I'm still in the honeymoon phase :D Currently leveling my 2nd character. First one was Blade and I'm about to hit the level cap with N°2 Nightcrawler while saving eternity splinters for (most likely) Doctor Strange :)
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Oh yeah you won't see the Fantastic Four or Silver Surfer on console.. sorry.
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I guess I'll just make do. Not the biggest fan of FF anyway and while Silver Surfer would peak my interest more there's still plenty of interesting options left. Currently saving up for one of the 750 characters... most likely Doctor Strange.
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Awesome :D I usually like the villains (and heroes that gravitate towards the dark side) way better than the heroes themselves.
My favourite DC characters are Lobo and Etrigan the Demon. It will probably take a few months until that update hits console so that should give me enough time to get more shards, plus in ~ a week Blackcat gets released for gen pop after being introduced as a timed exclusive for Founders pack owners :)
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That's incorrect.
Just so you understand Disney/Marvel do own the rights to the X-Men and Deadpool. They don't have the movie rights though.
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It's really a complicated situation. As many people(me included) want the movie rights to go back to Marvel Fox did save Marvel.
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No, they didn't. Marvel is a classic example of corporate raider willful mismanagement. Ron perelman bought marvel in the 80s for $10 million in cash (and $70m in debt) and legally plundered about $700 million, leaving the company $1billion in debt. During that time he sold as many rights as he could to make as much money as he could, before filing bankruptcy (one of the most complex bankruptcies in history, lasting 2 years, involving two competing boards of directors, and ultimately being purchased by their own subsidiary)
If anyone should be credited with rescuing marvel, it should be Isaac perlmutter, who prevented an auction of the IP and a splitting of the company, reasoning that Spider-Man alone was worth a billion dollars (which, it turned out, the the first movie nearly made on its own). Having won control of the company, he then continued to use his own money to buy up outstanding debt to reduce the load on the company.
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There's really no reason for you to try to explain anything about the situation to me to be completely honest with you. I'm very well aware of the things that went on. That's a very interesting point of view you have but I'll stand by what I stated originally.
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fair enough. I only studied it from a bankruptcy/business perspective
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The response they gave concerning Wolverine is probably because they can't talk about it not that they didn't want to.
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Also since everyone seems to be blaming Disney, this isn't a Disney thing, if anything it seems like it has Isaac “Ike” Perlmutter, hands all over it.
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We already knew this ages ago, they're not promoting characters they don't own movie rights to.
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Old news. And Capcom did get permission to use them. So expect them to show up as the season 2 roster on the Marvel side.
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Can you source that? Because it sure seems like the official stance is still "No Mutants".
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It was mentoned in interviews shortly after the game was revealed (so end of last year/early this year). Roster was still very much undecided at that point (apart from Mega Man, Ryu, Iron Man & Captain Marvel who were in the first trailer)
But since Google is shit and emphasizes the most recently published articles from this summer instead I'm having trouble finding those again :/
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Looks like it wasn't actually an official statement, which is why we couldn't find it:
https://gamerant.com/marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-roster-leak/
https://gamerant.com/marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-roster-dlc/
When cross-checking the information provided, it seems that every google result matches to that initial rumor/leak.
Currently, it seems that discussions on the topic mostly consider the user in question to be trolling, with most of the user's inclusions which actually did make it into the game having already been leaked by other users previous to that point. As such, we can't consider the rumor to have any weight until the first DLC is announced.
More unfortunately, this circumstance means that even if the individual in question was legit in their statements, we don't know for sure that the Disney/Fox interactions didn't sabotage Capcom's internal plans since that statement was made.
Of course, flip side, associating all of Fox's characters to DLCs would make profit-splitting a whole heck of a lot easier to keep track of, which does lend credence to the particularities of such an arrangement.
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Welp. Thanks for being able to find that.
Also, there goes my optimism. Oh well.
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Hey, I'm still holding out for the likes of Squirrel Girl, Madcap, Gwenpool, Taskmaster, Agent X, Warlock, Magik, Black Cat, Black Widow, Nightcrawler, Spider-Man 2099, Morph, Blink, Ricochet, Wiccan, Loki, Nico Minoru, Lightspeed, Jubilee, Mulholland, Marvel Girl (Valeria and Rachel both), etc. Frankly, you've got better odds of seeing the "Fox All-Stars" than I do any of the less prominent characters that I'd like to see in a game.
At least I've a good chance of getting Hawkeye [though I'd prefer the Kate Bishop rendition by far].
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At least I've a good chance of getting Hawkeye [though I'd prefer the Kate Bishop rendition by far].
I didn't even know about this incarnation of the character but after a brief Google search so do I.
Purple suits her way better than it does him :D
Yet I still feel for Hawkeye... He's always rather nice and polite to the other heroes and yet everybody is still picking on him.
He's like the Aquaman of the Marvel Universe :D (Although Aquaman can be a bit of a dick himself as far as I can tell.)
Hang on, there is an Amalgam between Gwen Stacey and Deadpool ? I thought my Amalgam collection was complete with 2 runs :(
Worst miniseries to collect EVER ! Not because they are so rare but rather because it's almost impossible to tell what exists and in what order to read them...
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Clint is usually presented as being very passive, and being prone to sulking when things get tough. He may not have that unlikable smugness that defined classic Green Arrow, but at least Oliver Queen stood out for it. Clint generally gets walked over, can't manage to get his life together, or gets used up for plot devices.
Despite that, he can be one of the more likable mainstream characters, and has a fun moveset for fighting games- hence my initial agreeability for his inclusion.
That said, you should see if you can't take a moment to read through the New Avengers/Runaways/etc (most recently, Champions) generation of comics. There are some pretty complex and engaging and strong-willed characters among them, with Kate often being one of the more stand-out examples.
In any case, compare Clint and Kate in this strip, and see which you find more interesting:
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I'll see if I can pick some of those up the next time I go to a convention but then again austrian comic conventions are rather lame when you compare them to their famous american counterparts, mostly people selling comics and merchandise, a few cosplayers and maybe a handful of lesser known artists showcasing so I only go every couple of years. Probably more like the larger US conventions used to be before Hollywood money came in. (and a lot of the smaller ones still are I assume)
I'm a little torn on that one. I'm obviously missing context and I'm not a huge fan of the type of the neurotic superhero (that's why I'm not a huge fan of 2/3 of the big 3) but then again she does take his dog. You don't take a man's dog. Who else is going to show him honest affection in that situation ?
But on the other hand depressive people are often not up to taking care of an animal.
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Amalgam was based on hybrids of Marvel and DC characters, and hasn't had a new print- that I'm aware of- since the 90s. Much like the What If..? series, they weren't really meant to be anything but conceptual one-shots.
Gwenpool (who is fully in-house Marvel) was a fairly recent gag cover (based off the popular Spider-Gwen character) of a Deadpool-related comic, who got enough fan support that they were compelled to test it out as a cameo character, finally making it an official character. Both Spider-Gwen and Gwenpool are "original" characters, in the sense of being from alternate Marvel realities- so no actual character fusions (in the style of Amalgam) are going on for them.
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Puh :D Glad my Amalgam collection is still complete then :)
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“If you were to actually think about it, these characters are just functions.''
Thats the funniest part and is actualy now a memefull joke passed around the fighting game youtuber channels like Maximilian Dood, if you follow him, youl see this joke alot.
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To be fair the roster is only one of many problems this game has
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still no squirrel girl, best hero ;_;
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As an x-men fan, it sucks. It also sucks the way the entire X-Men universe has been treated in the last 10 years or so, bastardised beyond belief.
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Wow fanatics getting upset over missing characters lol
Same crap for every game released with IP of this sorts always missing a character someone wants and make it seem so terrible.Funny thing is how the OP thinks this is due to some hidden agenda as if the people doing MVC don't want some of them in-game because of some conspiracy of sorts.
Truth is if they could be in it the game they would, after all, some of the missing characters are some of the most popular hence would mean better sales and more popularity.The rights to these IP's are all over the place and is one big power play to who gets to use them.
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The Official full roster is out and there are (as previously stated) NO X-MEN or DEADPOOL.
Wich means of course, no Wolverine in a MvC game.
https://www.eventhubs.com/news/2017/aug/17/marvel-vs-capcom-infinites-launch-roster-has-been-fully-revealed/
Capcom tried to explain (full of BS statement)
“If you were to actually think about it, these characters are just functions. They’re just doing things. Magneto, case and point, is a favorite because he has eight-way dash and he’s really fast, right? So our more technical players, all they want to do is triangle jump and that kind of stuff. Well guess what, Nova can do the same thing, Captain Marvel can do the same thing. Ultron can do the same thing.”
“Captain Marvel may seem like a strange pick, but she’s fantastic. She fits the gameplay. She fits the story, and they’re gonna be really pushing her as a strong female lead all the way up into the movie. We’re trying to take everything into account and choose the best characters.”
http://www.ubergizmo.com/2017/06/marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-no-x-men/
Or this. That is even worse:
"We talked with Marvel very closely about their future roadmap, about what's gonna be happening. Your modern Marvel fan, maybe they don't even remember some of the X-Men characters, but they know some of the Guardians characters or Black Panther."
https://www.comicbookmovie.com/video_games/marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-features-no-x-men-because-producers-dont-think-you-remember-them-a152077
The truth is fairly obvious. They are trying to push the Marvel Cinematic Univese, and sweeping under the carpet the Fantastic Four, X-MEN and Deadpool (of which Disney doesn't have the movie rights), because they think that could be free advertisement for FOX.
EDIT: Game is death by now. A couple of months later. I may call that justice, but I love MvsC, this is just terribly sad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zewNbhJNLBo
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