Telling his name. You know, this link: http://steamcommunity.com/id/PART-THAT-CALLS-OUT
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Are you sure you got the right guy and not some impersonator? Check your trade history.
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His L4D 2 bundle is so far back in his inventory. He probably acquired it some time back.
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Remove the link, as mentioned above.
If you have the chat history than report him based on this. If they believe you, good for you. If they don't, well, you were not going to trade again anyway, right?
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That's a bummer all the way around. I can understand his point (untradable gifts are definitely less valuable and riskier than the tradable versions he thought he was getting back), but he should have been very clear about that requirement up front and discussed how to handle it if things went south. One of the many reasons I generally avoid trades that can't be done in a single trade window, too many ways for things to go wrong even without malicious intent.
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The thing is that he's got 2 copies of Borderlands 2 right at the end of his inventory and his L4D2 is in the 2nd row of the last page.
There is no reason a tradeable copy which you probably traded using the trade window could have turned into untradeable ones. Something is definitely not right.
And check your trade history to see if the person you traded with is a Brit with 346 games and 625 comments.
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He's also got an untradable copy of Borderlands 2 sitting right next to the L4D bundle. He has probably since traded/gifted away two out of the three that he got back, and still has one. And it's definitely possible for a tradable four-pack to turn into untradable bonus gifts after it's been activated. Any account that can't buy immediately tradable gifts (i.e. one that hasn't bought a Steam game in a long enough window) will also generate untradable gifts out of a four-pack.
I see nothing inconsistent about the OP's story.
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He's got 3 untradeable BL2 in 2 locations far apart for reasons we do not know.
I find it very hard to believe that someone with 600 comments would do that. And OP didn't even bother to check the trade history. If OP was really scammed, he should file a scam report.
That's why I don't like trading making trade conditions with noobs anymore. The only trade I would make with noobs are straight trades. OP isn't entirely faultless if what he claimed is true.
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If someone activates 4-pack and didn't make any Steam purchase in three months or even more (one year?), the extra given copies in his inventory become untradeable until 30 days pass on just like it was purchase on brand new account. I believe it's basic trading knowledge, really.
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Yes you are both right about a tradeble turning into an untradeable. I forgot this momentarily. And OP should learn to use fucking paragraphs and proper sentence structure.
A similar thing happened to me with a Romanian who didn't buy anything last year. But he was upfront about it though so it was fine with me.
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Well, at least you didn't lose much. Something similar happened to me and I lost 3 tf2 earbuds (worth around 100§ at that time) to a trusted trader who decided to quit trading and scammed items valued at more than 500$ from different users at that day.
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It's not the trader's fault that you didn't make any Steam purchase in a freaking long time so when you activated the four pack, extra copies turned into not tradeable ones in your inventory and would become tradeable after a month. If someone was screwed, I'd say it was the trader you dealt with so no wonder he was looking for compensation of some sort.
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Make conditional trades with noobs and you get things like this happening if OP's story is indeed true.
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It doesn't work that way. The trader needs to confirm these details prior. It's not his place to determine whether or not he deserves compensation for an error he himself made in judgement. His part is to cut his losses, not steal from the person he was trading.
And yes, I've dealt with this situation many times as have many of my colleagues. He is now a scammer for doing what he has done. That's how it is.
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This is why I never trade. In real life I can punch the idiot in the jaw for trying to scam me but on the internet there isn't much you can do. I trust no one. Even on this site people have been misled or scammed by other users and got cheated out of their prize that they won. Report the prick and consider it lesson learned. It sounded like there were way too many variables in that trade to begin with anyway. There's no way I would have agreed to it unless I knew the guy. Also, rep can be manipulated if the party has a lot of friends or multiple accounts so I don't trust the whole rep thing either.
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that's just paranoiac. i made 423 trades to date, and trust me, the ones that scam ya stand out by their idiocy and incapability to type without using google translators.
the thing is everyone's gonna get tricked somewhere. i had borrowed money several times with guy moving into another city without mention. or a guy having seasonal job and being unable to repay for some time. you just have to deal with it.
besides the trades in steam window are 100% safe. there's trade history and support reverts back ANY and ALL trades that are fishy - scams, chargebacks and such. in case of 4-packs, i would get pretty mad if guy made my 3 copies of a sellable untradable back, screw the collateral, collateral is just a symbol that there will be a trade-back.
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The problem is, we're only hearing one side of the story. I'm not saying OP is making any of this up, I'm speaking in general in cases like this. Even in cases where the "accuser" posts tons of chatlogs and screenshots, I always take these "reports" with a grain of salt, because in every single instance, things are exaggerated, omitted, glossed over, etc.
There's a reason why in any sane court of law, the accused has the right to defend themselves against their accuser before being judged.
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Toss on steamrep and let them deal with it and let him get perma marked.
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This is not trader's fault, remaining copies are untradable for 30 days unless you bought something on Steam recently (I guess it's on the previous year).
The trader is more experienced than you are and should have noticed you about it but even in that case, you can't just blame him.
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You can -totally- blame someone for flipping you off, instead of trying to work something out when things go wrong.
"They'll never believe you, because I'm normally not a douchebag" isn't a good defence for anything.
When things go sour due to oversights, you don't spit in the other person's face, you try to end it amicably.
And yes, you can blame him. If he's in the business of taking "insurance" transactions then he should also be in the business of checking what can go wrong. Yeah, it would be cool if Power2793 did research beforehand, but when you're in a position of trust, you can't just fly the bird in someone's face and still be reasonably be called a "good trader".
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I can't say he is wrong, the games turned in giftable only because you had not purchased something on the current year and giftable only copies lose their value in trading. Anyway he should have asked you and didn't trade.
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An experienced steam user that is apparently very reputed has just scammed me , it went like this:
First of all the deal was I would pay some ‘insurance’ as well as 3 tf2 keys for a borderlands 2 four pack
Then, I would activate one copy and trade the rest back for the remainder of my items
I got the four pack and activated a copy, but the other three turned into gifts (not tradable), however I had no idea about this
The trader said gift him each copy in many different e-mail addresses, I would than eventually have ALL my items returned
I gifted all three copies; I got everything back except for the left4dead bundle, which cost me 4 keys. But I was supposed to have gotten back everything
The trader said left4dead bundle was to cover some ‘costs’ because the copies I gave back were gifted rather than traded (But I DID return all the items and the trader never said anything about them turning into gifts
*I am not filing a scam report because I have too little rep and no-one would believe me. Also, the trader said I was a “time wasting idiot”, said that I simply wouldn’t be believed if I filed a scam report and the trader would file a scam report on me if I “complained” again.
I am not trading again because I have too little rep and This type of thing could happen again
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