I am kinda new to such strategy games. Currently I have:
-Crusader Kings 2 (base game only) <-- do I need the expansions?
-Europa Universalis III Chronicles
-Hearts of Iron 3 Collection
-Victoria II (base game only)
-Warlock (base game only) <-- do I need the expansions?
-Majesty Gold HD
-Majesty 2 collection
-Magicka collection <-- not strategy but just putting it here

Which should I start with? I heard EU3 & Vic2 are the easiest to pick up but for the latter, it requires the expansion to make it more fun. Then again I also heard that Vic2 is actually pretty tough...

Suggestions please? Thanks.

EDIT: updated game list. Although the last 4 are kinda like fantasy instead of world history stuff.

1 decade ago*

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Pfft, hop on that Mount and Blade

1 decade ago
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The easiest to figure out of the 4 is probably Europa Universalis. Vicky 2 takes a lot of economic micromanagement but even without the expansion is a lot of fun (though it does vastly improve the game). Crusader Kings 2 is also pretty easy to pick up once you figure out how all feudal stuff works.

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I played Vicky 2 without the expansion for some hours, but it felt like you couldn't possibly fuck up your economy so you'd go bankrupt. I always had enough money and that took out a big part of my motivation, since the game is focused on economics.

Did they ever improve that system or did I get a wrong impression? Also were there changes in the cultural system? Because that's another thing that bothered me a lot. Cultural assimilation went so frickin' fast! After some decades the Finnish disappeared completely and India became British. I understand the need to reduce pops, but that went a tad too far for my taste.

I'd agree that EU3 is the easiest to get into, and still offers hundreds of hours of playtime. You can start with Vicky 2 or CK2, but it wouldn't recommend that. But never ever use HoI3 as your starting game. HoI2 was harder to get into than the three and HoI3 is way more complex.

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Well if you start off as a powerful nation such as Britain (how starts off as #1) then obviously the game will be easy. When you start the game it shows the difficulty meter. Also if you play as a democratic nation then it is super easy to go bankrupt because you have very little control over the economy the more liberal your government is. And cultural assimilation only goes fast if there is a nearby influence. Like how if Russia invaded Prussia. There is a lot of slavic influence nearby so the assimilation goes faster as more slavs more over that way. The British already control, I think, most of India at the start of the game so assimilation has already taken place since before the game starts. Any way if you play as Britain then yeah you be playing easy mode. Try playing as a 3rd world country or even play as Prussia and try to unite Germany; might even wanna try a secondary power out. Playing as unindustrialized 3rd world nations are were the difficulty really is; especially the middle east and africa since Europe is so close by. Asian ones might be a bit easier since they are more secluded. The easiest unindustrialized nations are Japan and China; they get really powerful once they industrialize. I would really recommend getting the expansion, however.

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That must've come out wrong: I was indeed playing as Prussia and united Germany, which was a lot of fun by the way. The India part was just an observation that boggled me, because it's so unrealistic. Similarly the conquered French lands were 50% German after ~20 years. As a person which sets value on the cultural aspect of the paradox games, this is bothersome. So, was that changed in any way?

Also I did not find the game too easy or anything, it was just that the economy run way too well (especially if I compare that to my few horrible minutes of Victoria I ... ) and I had money en masse. Maybe I just got super lucky, but I seriously couldn't find a way to even spend the money nearly as fast as it came in. I should note however, that this was a early version of the game, so this might have been fixed. Hence my question.

Oh, and don't misunderstand me: Even in that way the game was good. It was just that it felt like it wasn't running as it should or could be and so I went back to playing the other 3 games. I do plan on giving it another shot, though. I just wanted to know if those things were changed.

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Well here is a little background history for you. The 1st factories were in Germany, therefore Germany has always been a big Industrial power and usually doesn't have to worry about money to much. History repeats itself, look at WW1 and WW2, the Germans got back on there feet after being crushed twice and our even one of best Economically well of countries today. As for The French/German culture thing; idk where you live or how much you know about it but along the borders of France and Germany, especially in Alsace-Lorraine, German and French cultures are highly mixed together. That's why some towns in France speak German and vice versa. Try playing as a less well off countries; if I'm not mistaken, Prussia starts off as a Great Power. In other words, still easy mode.

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Europa Universalis 3, it's the easiest and most entertaining ,it also has the longest timespan , best Grand Strategy game ever made

1 decade ago
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I personally found Vicky 2 to be more fun in the end, once I learned the ropes.

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EU3 is by far one of my favourites, although once your used to the game it lose's the majority of it's challenge (Did anyone ever see the retail collector's printed manual? It was HUGE). If your into lesser (i.e. not as grand as EU or Vic/HoI) then Swords of the Stars 1/2 has plenty going for it as a 4X Strategy Game. Couple of friend's of mine has had a game of SotS2 going for 4 month's now, it's a insanely good game once you get your head around it.

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148 pages! <-- That's referring to the pdf manual. Maybe the actual printed manual has more.

1 decade ago
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Yip, plus the 100 page Strategy guide and insane poster! It proudly sit's next to my other game's to this day.

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wow! Do you refer to them a lot? It's pretty troublesome to refer to a pdf. I am considering printing it out. Of course the last time I printed a manual (300+ pages), I killed my printer...

1 decade ago
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Not as much as I once did. You should see the state of the book. It's well used that's for sure.

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Thanks. Make for some light reading... ;)

1 decade ago
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Heh, got retail edition of EU3 from a thrift store for $3. That manual is soooo long.

1 decade ago
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Man...there's no such thrift stores here. $3 just for the manual itself is already worth it.

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Well I was going to say Warlock, but you don't have that one :<

I only have CKII. It's not all that bad, having just spent an hour in the tutorials (only got through 2/3rds of the beginner tutorials lol). The hard thing is figuring out how you're doing, I spent an hour or two into a campaign and I'm not far enough in to tell how bad I'm doing

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Just got a copy of it. How is it compared to the others? Easy to pick up?

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yeah it is easy to pick up, it's a civilization clone, and even if you haven't played civilization before it isn't bad at all in terms of learning.

Also, Magicka isn't a strategy game, but it is very fun :>

1 decade ago
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EU 3 or Crusader Kings 2
Sengoku is fun as hell too

1 decade ago
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I heard Sengoku has some problems? Like patches not released on steam or something?

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Crusaker Kings 2 is probably the easiest. It allows you to play as noble, who only has to take care of his/her province(s), and not worry about the bigger picture all that much, at least not early on. While there is a lot to actually learn if you want to get really successful, in order to just play & enjoy the game, you don't need to know a whole lot about CK2.

Victoria 2 is probably the hardest one to get into, as you always need to think long-term, and most things you do don't have any direct results. It is my favourite of the lot, but I would recommend waiting with it until you are at least familiar with the sub-genre.

I always found EU3 to feel a bit too abstract. It is not "that" complex, but I found the others more straight forward.

And finally, if you want to play HoI I would actually recommend that you play HoI 2 first, for the simple reason that it is more approachable. HoI 3 brings a lot to the table, and it can get overwhelming. On the other hand HoI 2 is relatively easy to get into (though it is still a complex game).

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EU3. I'd buy the other two expansions, though, they very much change the game. Otherwise, Vicky II if you want more politics and economics or CK2 if you want more dynastic interaction.

1 decade ago
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yeah I have the Chronicles pack which include the 2 expansions. You recommend it with the expansions? I was thinking of installing the base first..

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I don't think you can install the base game without the expansions, but either way, no, just jump directly into the full game. Unlike most modern games, when Paradox releases an expansion pack they really actually change the game around like a good expansion should. Which means you'll end up having to learn a good number of things that end up being changed entirely later if you somehow started without the expansions.

And sorry, I get Chronicles and Complete mixed up sometimes.

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Dunno who told you that Vicky 2 is easy to pick up, but they were wrong. If you're willing to invest a couple of hours to get a grip of the underlaying mechanics, yeah it gets easy, but it's not noob friendly. Go with EU3, then pass onto CK2.

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For EU3, do I start with the base then move onto the expansions? Or do I go straight into the expansions?

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It's a sandbox game, and expansions add features on top of the main game, so there's really no point in playing without expansions. So you instal everything, pick a country (I'd recommend someone mid-sized for the start with not many bordering countries, like Portugal, or Spain) and play.

If you ever have doubts and questions about how a game mechanic works, I wholeheartedly recommend visiting Paradox forums, the community is very helpful :)

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I think you end up with more of a rewarding feeling with Vicky 2 though. Least I think so.

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Although you don't own it, you should try Warlock: Master of the Arcane, it's very similar to Civ and it's very easy to pick up. though the game isn't really too difficult even at the higher difficulty levels, so it's not much of a challenge.

1 decade ago
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I will remember this, someone also suggested Warlock above.
E: got it. Thanks for recommendation.

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I'd say Crusader Kings II. Fairly accessible, and one you can enjoy, and learn as you go along, without feeling overwhelmed from the outset.

Victoria II, as has already been mentioned, is a more traditional Paradox game, and fairly tough to get into, although as with the others, rewarding once you [eventually, many hours in] feel you're starting to get to grips with things.

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Majesty is awesome.

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EU3 or CK2 imo.

I never really liked vicky 2 going from eu3.

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MAGICKA!!!!!!

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+1

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EU3 is the simplest of the Grand Strategy games. Then CK and then Viccy. CK2 is a lot easier than CK1 though.

HoI is a little in the middle because it's mainly an army composition and tactical game. Magicka is not a strategy game and Majesty is simple but weird to play for most RTS players.

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Personally, I started with HoI2 and think it's the best game Paradox has ever made, especially after you include Darkest Hour.

Edit: Also, HoI2 is REALLY simple once you actually look at it.

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Closed 1 decade ago by kzwen.