So, we have a really old PC we're looking to upgrade to be on par with our other 2 PCs.

Here's what the OLD PC has in it:
Processor: AMD Phenom II x4 955
GPU: GeForce GTX 470
MOBO: ASRock M3A770DE
Harddrive: WDC WS5000AAKS - 75VoAo
8GB RAM

Here's what the other 2 have in it:
Processor: AMD FX 8329 8-Core
GPU: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti
MOBO: ASRock 970 Extreme3 R2.0
Harddrive: WDC WD2003FTPS-27Y2B0 ATA
8GB RAM

Again, I want to bring the OLD PC to be as close to the other ones as possible, ONLY. Using these components.
I believe the MOBO, Processor, and GPU would be the most important components to upgrade to make the biggest impact on the PC's performance. Correct? Would those be compatible with the other old components that aren't being upgraded right now?

No giveaway right now, might add one a bit later.

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Computers work as a single unit; no one thing has the "most" importance.
Also I highly doubt you use anything that actually uses 16 GB of system ram.... however almost all modern games likely can use at least 4 GB of video ram. So pay more attention to the amount of video ram you purchase. 8 GB of system ram is likely more than enough. Most modern games I've only seen hit about 1.2 GB of system ram. (That said... don't be scared to get 16 GB system ram... just be aware of what you're paying for.)
I doubt any of the games out there right now come anywhere near putting a full load on all the cores of even a quad core; remember having more cores doesn't mean faster... it means more work done.
If the software isn't designed to take advantage of the # of cores you won't see a difference. Example is Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory: it will run faster on a single 3 GHz core than it does on a multi-core CPU of only 2.1 GHz.
In other words... depending on what you're doing you might be better off getting an older i3 that runs at 4.1 GHz vs the newer CPU only running at 3.5 GHz. If you like older games they'll probably run faster for a higher cycles per second than more cores.
I currently run a 780 GTX for video myself & it has no problems pushing the frames per second... what I'm finding, is that at only 3 GB of video ram, it's starting to get limited on things such as high resolution textures, anti-aliased shadows & other "lots of little stuff" things that require memory. Speed isn't an issue though.

But the most honest advice I can give for buying anything is this: buy the best you can honestly afford. Don't buy for how "cool " it is or how much you like it. Buy it for reliability, support and feature set. Like the camera I sold to a teenager once... she bought it because it was pink. NO. BAD CUSTOMER. For the same price she could have had a bigger lens & a fraction more of a megapixel.
Don't go above your budget as it'll just come back to bite you in the ass later if you have problems with the item(s) but don't cheap out either... cheaping out just means you'll have to upgrade sooner or may not be happy with your purchase.

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Okay, so just the graphics card and processor then?
We can afford them.

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modern games

op's target specs aren't really enough for those either-way

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The most modern thing I have is DOOM, which won't run. Everything in my Steam library runs fine, so I'm good. Not trying to be "the best" or anything. Eventually, we'll upgrade these as well, but we'll cross that bridge when the time comes. Probably next year.

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It depends how far you want to go and what you want to use it for.

If you want to play Doom with ultra settings it will require a new MOBO, CPU, and GPU and while 8GB is good enough right now I would actually recommend 16 at this point. I have 8GB myself and when I play some games I hit 90% ram usage.

If you want, you can start to piecemeal it right away. If you first upgraded the video card, you can buy some life for your current set up. Your current setup is not bad, but the main difference is the CPU. The old Mobo cannot handle a similar CPU, so you;d have to get a new Mobo and CPU combo if you wanted to fully upgrade, which gets expensive. The good thing about a new video card is that you can simply just put it into the upgraded PC later but it will allow you to play games for now.

Good luck!

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The 2nd set I posted can't run DOOM at all, on any settings. xD

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Yea, Doom is the PC killer right now. Your CPU is on the minimum end to run it but the 750 Ti is probably not hefty enough for it. A new GPU should at least let you play.. on low or medium. =/

https://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/requirements/doom/13138

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We'll probably upgrade the newer PCs next year. All the cards above the 750 Ti look expensive as hell right now though xD

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Check out some of the online price finder sites.

http://bensbargains.com/categories/video-cards-35/

https://slickdeals.net/deals/video-card/

Check them every few days, you might stumble on a really good deal. I was able to pick up a GTX 750 Ti for my kids pc for $35. I really wish I bought more of them during that sale. ^^

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just my opinion based on personal experience =3

doom is a bad example if you want to compare pc builds. my youngest brother can run it over 60fps with an A10 cpu and a 270x gpu using vulcan (i think this pc is considered very low-end). :P
dying light, witcher 3, even fallout 4 are better examples to compare your pc and see if it can run demanding games.

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Can run all 3 of those just fine. :)

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Yea, good examples definitely. I'm hoping my hd 7950 would run them all. =)

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Ok that's fair... I just launched one of the more memory intensive games I have.. Batman: Arkham Knight. At mostly high settings it's eating just under 4 GB of game. Not that bad.
The other 64 processes I have running are eating another 4 GB though. But that's a little unfair for most users... most users won't have that much running.
For most users the 2 top non-game items will be just like mine. Their web browser & their anti-virus. The 2 of them are eating a GB right now with the web browser running at 900 megs. (It's firefox & it gets worse every. single. version..)
But yes... 8 GB does the job but don't be scared of buying more. :-)'
Just don't buy more than you need. Like a relative of mine... has was running 32 GB of system ram because he "has to have the best" (when he really doesn't have it... it just SOUNDS impressive) & that was 4 years ago now. What does he do with it? Streams to his TV. That's it. Just TV all the time. No games, no rendering, etc.

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I can run Arkham Knight fine on middle-end settings, but I hate all the batmobile focus the game has. xD
We'll probably bump up to 16GB when we upgrade the newer PCs.

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Yea, definitely! Firefox has been killing me for the last week and a half. I nuked it and it was working great for 3 days but now it is back to its old garbage. Really irritating! ^^

But yea, if you are going to be doing a lot of video editing, you will want 16 GB minimum, recommend 32 if possible. But like you said, most people never use it in the course of regular computing. 8 GB is fine but if you want to 'future proof' go for 16 so you dont have to bother later (unless you want DDR4 heh).

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Your old mobo doesnt support AM3+ so you wont be able to put in an 8320.

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So definitely upgrade the MOBO as well then?

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If you want to put in an fx 8320 yes.

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Alright, thank you for the to-the-point post :)

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To the point answer is always the most clear answer ;)

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I'm not sure if you can re-use the mem sticks of the old pc, if its ddr3 memory probably yes.

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You can still squeeze more out of both PC with Rx 570. I have phenom ii x4 945 and went from barely playable fallout4 with gtx 460 1gb to high settings modded with Rx 460 4gb. If you can afford to upgrade everything I'd suggest and ryzen 5 16 GB ram and Rx 570 4gb. Do not buy you with less than 4gb vram.

. Being that I'm cheap gamer I bout my phenom PC used for $92.50, 8gb ram for $30, and Rx 460 4 GB for $70 new. And I only play modded fallout 4 and Skyrim, lol, and yes both games use up to 3gb vram. I also have a PS4 and rent from gamefly.

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just a comment on ram: if you want to game on and use the rigs for the next few years only 8gb ram is not enough.

i've had 8gb ram since 2008 and nothing ever managed to grab all of it...
...until i started playing fallout 4 with the hd texture pack. 8gb ram is definitely not enough for that. sooner or later the system starts swapping to disk and then the performance totally craps out.

luckily i'll get an i7 with 16gb soon and my trusty old Q8400 will retire.

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Thanks for pointing that out.

Just curious though, is it possible to be a mem leak? Because if the performance is fine at first but later eats all the memory, makes me wonder if there is something else going on.

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not really, after all the texture pack alone brings 60gb to the party. the longer you play the more data ends up in ram. especially when you fast travel a lot and move around quickly. going to boston city has the biggest impact. highest ram usage i saw on my fallout 4 was around 3.8gb. anything more than that and fallout will basically lock up due to swapping to hdd -.- plus windows will complain about the lack of jiggawatts and threaten to explode my rig if i don't start closing random programs.
before the hd pack it didn't run perfectly at all but at least i never had ram issues.

i don't use any performance tweaks or mods (yet) and while i have bumped up a few settlement build limits a little that's not going to be a mayor performance drain.
but i'm too lazy to remove the hd pack and spend half a day downloading it again in two weeks.

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I hear ya. Thanks for explaining, can't wait to pick up that game and give it a shot.

I only have 8 GB myself, any suggestions for when I do pick it up?

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don't install the hd pack as long as you are stuck with 8gb. that's all. ;)

i guess it helps to have a gfx card with lots of memory but i don't know if that's really going to make a difference for the system's ram load. my gtx 770 only got 2gb and i guess that's a little tiny for huge texture packs. next time i play i will monitor the gfx ram load and see if it's overloaded the whole time.

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The Phenom II 955 you have in that old machine is technically better at single threaded performance (which is usually the most valuable for gaming) than your FX-8320s.
"Upgrading" that is basically pointless if your goal is gaming. So I'd just leave the MOBO & CPU on that alone. As to the RAM, while I'd generally say go for it on the 16GB for most anyone, all of your systems are using DDR3 and the price on that has more than doubled in the last year because everything has been switching to DDR4 and DDR3 production is now almost non-existent. The minimal amount of performance gain you'd get from adding more RAM unless you're doing some really high end stuff just isn't going to be worth it considering that 8GB is now going to cost you something like $70 and a 16GB kit will cost $130.

What I'd do if I were you is spend the ~$220 on an AMD RX 480 8GB version which will give you a GPU roughly on par with the nvidia 1060 for way less, with tons of VRAM to run just about anything you want. Anything else in there should wait until you do a full rebuild, shooting for current gen setup.

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Would this AMD RX 480 8GB be compatible with everything else in the old PC?

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Yeah, it's just a standard PCI-E GPU. Performance on it is solid enough that it ranks inbetween the nvidia 1060 6GB and 1070. It should improve your gaming ability relatively inexpensively, and it's a solid enough card that if you are planning full rebuilds in the next year or two it'd be able to keep it going for far less than having to replace the rest of the system. Like I said, your Phenom II 955 will really be no more of a bottleneck on the GPU than an FX-8320 will, so it's a cheap, easy and reasonable way to beef that system up to carry it forward a while longer here.

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From what I've read you need 16gb ram with an 8gb vram gpu. Also the rebrands are releasing this week and Rx 570 4gb is suppose to be $150.

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Stick the 750Ti into Pc 1 and get a new GPU for PC2.
You don't need 16GB RAM. 8 GB is fine for normal gaming. The PCs are too slow for heavily modded games or HD Texture packs anyway.

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Not looking to upgrade the newer PCs right now, just trying to bring the old one up to the new ones.
I should have dropped the RAM thing from the OP, people are too focused on it.

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The other 2 are more powerful. Any GPU upgrade should go into one of them and put the 750Ti into PC1.

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8 GB is barely enough for gaming today, in a few years a machine with that amount of RAM will definitely be too weak to run newest games.

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So I can get those components and put them in the older PC. Thanks.

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The best upgrade you can get for those is an SSD, 4-8 GB more RAM, and GTX 1050 for the 1st PC and GTX 1050Ti for the other 2 I would say.

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