What CPU should I go for if I want something future proof and long lasting? Gonna OC after warranty is over (Have my intel for 5 years now)
Why not, it's a card that has more power then the 1080 and it's not so much more expensive. I never liked AMD graphic cards so they are not a option at all. And now I got 2x 970SLI. Guess the 1080ti should keep me going on ultra for a long time, that's why. What did you have in mind?
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It has better performance because it costs twice as much. Isn't that obvious? Why on earth would anyone need a 1080Ti to play on 1080p while a card with half the price does the same. Unless of course they are going for over 144 FPS due to owning a 144Hz screen and even in this case the preferable resolution would be 1440p.
You can go out there and ask any YouTuber or person who is into hardware. No way there'll be anyone suggesting you to buy a 1080Ti for 1080p gaming, even if the time frame we are talking about is 2 years down the road.
In general, why buy something of which you can't unleash the full potential? It's like buying a Ferrari and going under 80 Km/h 90% of the time.
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Why do you need a 4k screen if you can game on a 1080p display, both are visible just fine. Why do people prefer a mechanical keyboard over a normal one? If you can spare the money it makes for a better experience, doesn't matter if it costs twice as much or not. It's just what he wants to get.
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I really think you are not even catching my point. There'll be no difference between 1070 and 1080Ti on 1080p gaming on a screen under 120Hz, as both of them are capable of outputting the maximum required amount of FPS at the highest settings.
Him wanting it doesn't mean I can't make a suggestion and criticize his option.
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If you're maxing everything out at 1080p, it won't be a better experience, it'll be the same experience. Better to spend half as much now, then buy whatever the equivalent is in two years time with the rest. That way you'd end up with the same experience in the present, a better experience in two years time, and the overall spend will be the same.
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I still stand for my point. If you own a 1080p 60Hz monitor, it's just completely moronic to go for the 1080Ti as even the 1070 is enough. Damn, even those 2 970s would probably satisfy me at that resolution & refresh rate combination. But I don't know what monitor you own.
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Future-proof meaning what of those will keep me company for a longer time and keep up longer with the upcoming game requirements.
Well those two CPU's are almost same price here. And the Intel does have more speed so on benchmarks it goes on a better positions...
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Both of Hamakei's points are correct. Although I advise you to wait for the next batch of AMD and Intel processors especially the former since they're trying to fix the kinks of their new architecture.
You're better of just buying a new 1080ti since most games are gpu-dependent anyway :) Save for a few select titles.
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Only if the architecture remains the same.
1st Build) Pentium 4 Prescott with XDRAM (Rambus) & an AGP GeForce 4 TI 4600 (128MB DDR VRAM)
2nd Build) Core 2 Duo with DDR2-800 and a PCIe 8800GTX (768MB GDDR3 VRAM)
3rd Build) Core i7-4770s with DDR3-1600 (9-9-9-24) and a PCIe AMD R9 270X (4GB GDDR5 VRAM)
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No, no it couldn't. Double the performance at lower energy cost.
The 8800GTX (original GTX) had two power options only, off and full blast.
It used the same amount of electricity no matter what you did, even if you were only browsing the internet.
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My electric bill dropped $30 every month after replacing the 8800GTX.
So yes while technically possible, it wasn't feasible any longer.
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... and not future-proof at all as it has only 4 cores...
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I always build systems that I can have for some years. So I upgraded to an i7-5820K coming from a Q9550 in 2014... this is a big step I think. I feeld safe for now with this 6-core and would not go for less from my personal point of view. I think, OC and clock is worth less than cores nowaways. Also, if I was upgrading in 2017 and not in 2014, I would go for an AMD remembering the good old Athlon days. AMD fanboy, I would say^^
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Clock speed means jack shit. I built a mini-PC for my folks that has a 1.4 GHz CPU in it that outperforms our old 4.0 GHz Pentium 4. By a lot. And I mean a LOT.
Clock speeds stopped being an indicator of anything like… 7 years ago by now?
If you have games where you regularly see your CPU at 90-100%, then you should replace it. Unless you only play Arma which is infamous for having one of the worst coding jobs on the planet, your current one should stay in the 70-80% range in most any current releases… at worst cases.
If you really want to spend money, then the Ryzen right now seems to be a slightly better in price/performance. But not by a whole lot.
As for future-proofing, it cannot be said. Some say multi-thread is the near future, so Ryzen should shine. But if you play, games that can actually utilise more than two threads (cores) are still quite rare; those that can understand the concept of more than four are practically unheard of (it is still GTA V they test for this, because, well, not many else exist).
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Well it can only get better for a game that is in Alpha/Beta, optimization often comes in the late part.
AFAIK, their Dev's team said this game will be optimized for 6+ Cores CPU, so if you already backed the game and plan to put some times on it (and knowing that you want some future proof) then go for Ryzen or better wait a bit and see what Intel is going to show by the end of June.
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I agree there. I was clarifying that that parameter wasn't useless, as long as the other things are somewhat comparable.
Your statement, made it sound like Clock speed is meaningless in general, not when being the only considered factor.
Clock speed means jack shit
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I'd lean towards fewer cores with more oomph if you're just gaming. I've noticed that most games only bother to multi-thread across two of my cores, very rarely will I see 4 of them active at once. and I don't think I've ever seen all 6 being used, and especially not for games. Over all though, I wouldn't spend too too much on a CPU unless your current one feels like it's on its last legs. your GPU is the main defining factor for game performance.
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Been using the same CPU for a few years now. I've since had two GPUs (the current being a GTX 970 SSC). Just loaded up Yooka-Laylee the other day, put it at 4K Max settings and found that my GPU is currently my bottleneck.
In short, my i5-2300 from 2011 is still serving me well. Only upgrade when you need to!
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I'm still running a 3570K at 4.2Ghz (1.21v) and probably won't upgrade for another 2 years. I may bump the speed, but I didn't get the best chip and it requires a decent voltage. I am still running a GTX 580 though. I will probably do a GPU upgrade within the next year. I would say whether or not you should upgrade your CPU depends on what GPU you are running. I would guess if your GPU is slower than a GTX 1060, I would not upgrade your CPU yet. If you are running a faster GPU, your current CPU will probably be a bottleneck in modern games that are demanding.
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It also depends on what games you want to play and at what resolution and fps. Two GTX 970s should be similar to a GTX 1070 and beat the 1070 in many games that have good SLI scaling.
Modern demanding games at 1080p with a high refresh rate monitor will cause your current CPU to be a bottleneck. If you play those same games at 1440p or 4K you will probably be fine for now because the GPU framerate won't be high enough to max out the CPU. The type of modern demanding games I am talking about would be games like, Witcher 3, Fallout 4, GTA 5, Battlefield 1, Watch Dogs 2, Hitman.
If you play older or less demanding games like indie games, side scrollers, platformers, P&C, then the 3570K should have no problem.
I would personally wait, but if you want to upgrade right now, I would go with the Ryzen 1700. That definitely seems more future proof. It is almost as fast as the 7700K in current games and has a lot more to offer outside of gaming. Plus, future games will most likely take advantage of the 1700 and outperform the 7700K,
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Future proof ? Then skip 4 Cores.
Btw, for future proofing if you go with something new you should take a look at the platform not necessarily the CPU.
AM4 might be a future proof platform if the rumors are true with an upcoming 16 Cores CPU. You could get a "cheap" Ryzen 1600 or 1700 (Note that i skipped the X version as you mentionned Overclocking) that will already last long enough and then maybe upgrade for those new Ryzen 9(?) CPUs.
On the other hand, it might be better to hold until June 16th and see how it goes for the new Intel's CPUs.
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I myself use i5 3470 @ 4Ghz Turbo 4.2Ghz
http://www.passmark.com/baselines/V9/display.php?id=78080349068
single cpu 2329 / multi 8690
If any game do not force me earlier next CPU I probably buy around 2020+ 7nm AMD CPUs :)
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you got an SSD?
a better gpu is more important. imo.
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Get the 1080Ti and maybe a faster and bigger SSD for your OS and games.
Get a new CPU/Board/RAM combo when a lot games barely make 30 fps in low resolution gaming. So, maybe in 5 years time depending on how many potential customers on low-med hardware devs can feel safe to ignore. There will always be a few games that absolutely need as many cores or threads as possible. But they will be few and far between.
Concerning Ryzen, a few months time until devs have started to properly support it will be needed. Maybe then it will appear a lot more appealing.
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i disagree a bit with LittleBibo
mostly, that 1080 is overkill.
eveything runs on 1070 easily. and will probably continue to do so.
unless you want to really use a lot of VR on several devices, etc...
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The price to performance rate for a 1080 TI is terrible. Sure, it might be a really powerful card... but you are overpaying. It's better to go with a cheaper card (a 1070 is about half the price...) and then upgrade 3 years down the line than buy a 1080 TI.
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As others have said, you should wait a little, your current CPU is powerful enough to play every single game, you may see some little FPS drops in most modern games but in my oppinion loosing 2 or 3 fps do not justify buying a new CPU, prices will drop and you'll get better deals in a 6 months period.
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I have the exactly same CPU and was thinking about this as well. I decided to keep the CPU, motherboard, PSU, HDDs, SSD and case (for now). I will buy 8 more gigs of RAM (so increase from 8 to 16), swap my GTX 670 for GTX 1060 6GB and overclock the CPU to 4 - 4,2 GHz (to be safe and to keep some room for future). This should last me for another 3 years at least without having to do anything.
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I have the exact same CPU as your current one. OC'd the same as well. I have not found it to be a limitation yet.
To future-proof, don't buy until necessary.
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Just keep your current intel, it is a good CPU.
The AMD cpu may perform worse in some games anyways as it requires games to be optimized to use 4+ cores. (This is the reason why source engine games always perform better on intel. The engine is designed to be used on only ONE thread.. and therefor the better single core performance cpu (intel approach) will perform better).
I'm not biased either. I refurbished PCs for a living for a few years and this proved to be the case after benchmarking at least 100+ cpus..
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If you need more performance here are some easy tips (if you haven't already)
Use the high performance power plan in windows
Use the high performance power plan on your gpu
Don't underestimate how heavily GPUs contribute to your FPS nowadays. If you don't have a comparable card to the 1060 or greater that purchase will be the best value. To build gaming rigs I would just buy business PCs then stick a decent GPU in it. After I show it pulling off hundreds of frames in games it was easy to sell it for 2-3x the price...)
Minimize background activity by turning off pre loaded apps, auto start services and apps, uninstalling programs, etc..
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From this and your other answers, it looks like you don't mind spending quite a bit of money, and you're itching to upgrade, even though you might not really need to.
On the GPU front, I'd suggest waiting for AMD's Vega release, which should happen this quarter. At the very least it might help reduce NVIDIA's top end prices.
On the CPU front, I'd suggest waiting for Coffee Lake (expected second half of this year). It's expected that it will include 6 core CPU's on the mainstream platform, which I think would be good for future proofing.
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So I am really thinking hard about this one and reading a lot of reviews and guides on CPU's and I don't know what I should do? I want something that will last me the same as my CPU now or even better on years and performance, yet dunno what to pick up?! I can maybe still stick some time with this one, or buy a new one? I am between two AMD more cores and threads yet less speed - power or Intel less cores and threads yet a lot more speed - power? What is more future proof, what will games really need? So far I think that the i7 is a better option, looking on how things are now?
Can you please give me your option and ideas on this part and explain to me why you pick the one over the other. This will help me a lot and would love to see some options of other games and hardware fanatic. Keep in mind that I am going to OC the processor after some time, or when the warranty is over. Thanks a lot guys and girls!
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