So Im trying to save up to buy myself a brand new mid-range pc with a budget of around 500 euro which is not much admittedly but it should be enough as a start

My questions are the following since Im kinda noob at this:

  1. Amd or Nvidia? (as im not sure if i will be able to pick a geforce one)

  2. What is the ideal "budget" option for an i7 processor that is actually worth something?

  3. Bit unrelated: should I install windows 10 or just stick to windows 7? As im a bit worried that win 10 will causing me headaches

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  1. i have to say, i prefer nVidia. AMD might be the "better" company. less restrictive, and just less dickish. ^^ but with nVidia cards you will just have less problems. there are more games optimized for nVidia than for AMD.

  2. maybe a i5 is the better option for you? the i5-4690 is a pretty good cpu, and cheaper than the i7's. you miss out on hyperthreading, but for most games HT doesn't give you any benefit performancewise (it can even be counterproductive).

  3. Win10 is the future. you will have to use it eventually at some point, if you want to play modern games (DX12). if you don't like the start menu - there are always nice, little tools that can give you the start menu you want. i am on Win8.1 right now, and i have a Win7 start menu (and no fucking metro ^^).

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Good point, im sorta in favor of nvidia bit im unsure if my motherboard will be compatible with a geforce video card (if that makes sense xD)

Hmm Ive been thinking about an i5 but since I want to make video editing and streaming, I want to get my investment worth and get the most out of my buck

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well, i just gave a general statement about how i feel about nVidia/AMD. depending on your GPU-budget, AMD might be the more reasonable choice after all.

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That statement of having less problems with Nvidia cards is not true. You're just as likely to have problems with either manufacturer. The optimization part is partly true. Nvidia doesn't give AMD access to GameWorks or other proprietary stuff Nvidia has which makes it nigh impossible for AMD to optimize some things. Games without any proprietary technologies from AMD or Nvidia work equally well on both.

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with problems i meant e.g. bad optimization. you can read of so many games that have unplayable framerates on release, and even quite a while after that. you barely read anything like that about nvidia cards. as a customer, that is pretty important to me. i want a good overall gaming experience, and decent performance is a big part of that. with AMD cards you will get performance problems. yes, it might be nvidia's fault. but does that really matter to me, the customer, who just wants to play games? if i have to choose a good graphics card for my new pc, i choose the one i will have less of a hassle with.

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My new build:

i5 4460
Gigabyte GTX 750 Ti
8Gb RAM
750W Gaming SilentX PSU

Runs all games without any problem, including GTA V.

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What's up with the 750W PSU? ~450W would be enough for your system.

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The maximum power draw of a 4460 and 750Ti is 180W combined under full load, so even a good 300W PSU would've sufficed. But the 750W "Gaming SilentX" (No-brand) PSU sounds like a cheap PSU to me, so users often buy those things because they think, more wattage is better. Just hope the PSU won't blow up, as this often happens with the cheap ones (there's a very good reason that GOOD PSUs with that wattage cost well around $150!)

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I actually didn't bought this by my own choise, the guy who bought this for me checked it and said its real watt is ~350, and yeah it was cheap 40$, but works perfectly so.

Heres the link of this PSU: http://www.ebay.com/itm/750W-Gaming-120MM-Fan-Silent-ATX-Power-Supply-PSU-12V-/271229901254?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f268fd9c6

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You won't be so happy any more if that piece of crap blows up killing your expensive components. I never get it why people are risking that for saving a few bucks.

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  1. Pick the GPU that has the best price/performance ratio. Doesn't matter if it's AMD or Nvidia. You should wait for the benchmarks on the new AMD cards before making a purchase decision.
  2. There are no budget i7s. You'll have to go with an i3 or a lower end i5. You could try to get a used i7 though.
  3. I'd say it's best to stick to Win 7 till most initial issues Win 10 might have have been fixed. If your Win 7 isn't pirated, you can upgrade it to Win 10 within the first year for free.
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  1. Depends on the Budget. The GTX960 isn't worth the money, in contrast to the equally expensive, but faster R9 280 or R9 280X cards. The R9 290 is also a decent option, if you have more to spend pick the GTX970. AMD is starting to release their R9 3XX cards atm, so that might change the price-structure and make waiting a little more interesting, currently. Edit: For further and better evaluation, all the parts in your current planning are interesting for answering the question to the best possible extent.
  2. You don't need an i7 for gaming - The only difference to the i5 CPUs is hyperthreading, which isn't needed or implemented in gaming all that much, because developing games to use hyperthreading is hellishly expensive. SOME games use it, but it's just a fraction.
    Anyhow, the equivalent to an i7 is a Xeon CPU. Xeon E3-1231V3 is the best option to go. From a technical standpoint the same as an i7 CPU, but missing the Intel Graphics and not overclockable. Still, it suits every consumer-chipset-motherboard and saves you some bucks because you don't have to buy a Z97-Board for it (It'd be downright pointless)
  3. Stick to windows 7 at the moment. IF you upgrade to windows 10 the license will be tied to the machine, and we don't know the extent of how much parts you can change until you "lose" the license. Also, your old WIndows7 license can't be used anymore as a W7-license. It's a one-way ticket, currently not lucrative, because W10 is still in an early state.
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  1. If you are locked on inter CPU, I would recommend nVidia, purely for compatibility. I have GTX 750 and works fine, friend has Ti version and he is satisfied with it. I don't follow current trends when I have working PC and not in market for new one.
  2. i5 should be enough for gaming, maybe one that is mid-high range if you can afford for future-proofing.
  3. Stack with Windows 7, at least for now. All this "you won't be able to play DX12 games" is pure BS, because it will take years for market to have any decent number of games build in that platform. Also, wait for Windows 10 "growing pains" to pass, and major bugs get fixed like service pack 2 and 3 for XP, 7 for Vista and 8.1 for 8.
  • Edit: Also, forgot to mention... Try to buy exact models of components that you gonna use. What I mean by this... don't get card with 5 ports if you will use only 1. Same goes for motherboard, excess number of ports will just increase the price of component. I' not saying that you shouldn't have back-up ports, just that you don't need 10 USB ports when you only plug mouse and keyboard in them. Same goes for any other component. Having excess number of slots for RAM is actually good for future-proofing, but don't over reach on that field too.
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nvidia, intel i5, windows 8.1 couse 10 unstable

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why do you think 10 is unstable? everyone i know who is testing it right now says, that it is already pretty awesome (especially in comparison to early builds of previous windows versions).

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Thanks for all the advice so far guys ^^

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Wait a few days, AMD recently announced new GPUs which in a way beats most nvidia products, itll be released like end of june

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Closed 8 years ago by TatsuyaHiro.