..because I want to WL you so I can make some fine GAs just for you guys!

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It would be easier...it must be a trap! run Patreons...run!.....

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Doesn't cover everyone. I am a Patreon from the beginning, and I am not sure I ever heard of this group. Also, nine members? Pretty sure we have more than that. xD

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I didn't look, just expected more would have been in there.

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It's new and first group created few months early as I know

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Isn't that group closed? I think I read something along the lines a few month bakc, which would also explain so few memebers.

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Steamgifts should start taking BAT as well.

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oh yeah absolutely. i thought about that the other day when somebody made that thread about brave. maybe he isn't aware of it?

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CG Patreons

Okay, but do you mean "SG" or "cg"? Or has cg integrated into SG, forming a digital entity whose only purpose is to promote the exchange of games, like some sort of Communal Santa Ghost-in-the-Machine? 'Cause I gotta say, that seems a fair bit more civil than that whole Skynet thing..

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Well, on patreon you donate to a creator, not to it's creation, so the title is correct in this regard. What could be considered a mistake though, is the fact that "patreon" is a site title, and people who support someone on patreon should be called "patrons".

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I was pointing out that cg's name is cg, not CG. By way of that, CG could be interpreted as a blend between SG and cg; The alternative is simply to be confused about and to make assumptions about the term's intended association.

After all, even if patreon associates with a creator rather than project, contributors may still consider themselves as donating to the site, rather than to cg. Thus, an assured association doesn't exist for this particular matter. Though, since the association in this case is more-or-less directly interchangable, my point was, naturally, to tease rather than to correct.

In other words, I wasn't in any way poking at picking between cg or SG, as either would indeed be reasonable options.
Ditto for by skipping over "Patreons", which also doesn't have such a confusion of intent to it [as it'd still be directly interchangable with Patrons, assuming the term doesn't have prioritized association with patreon creators; In that case it would simply be incorrect, rather than confusing].

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This makes me wonder if nicknames should be capitalized at all, and if yes - how cg's nickname should be capitalized - Cg or CG.
Also, on patreon page his nickname is in capitals, "CG is creating SteamGifts".

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If CG stands for something (like it’s the initials of their name), then it is fair to be both capitalised. For example, if my middle name was Jane (it’s not), then I might refer to myself as MJ, but I may also use lower case, mj (as might be the case in my email address, where all characters are generally written in lower case. I personally would never write it Mj, unless perhaps it was the start of a sentence, where the first letter defaults to caps.🤷‍♀️

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Both proper nouns (thereby names) and abbreviations/acronyms are expected (for the sake of coherency in interpretation) to have consistent capitalization. To my understanding, nicknames follow the rules of standard names without any significant alterations.

Lowercase lettering in an abbreviation indicates the letters are secondary* to the preceeding capital letter, while the fact that lowercase lettering in an acronym indicates a preposition, definite, or indefinite article. This differs from other words in English, where capitalization is mostly stylistic and for formatting/ease of reading, and makes capitalization rather relevant for those words (and that in addition to capitalization helping make it clear that such words are abbreviations or acroynms to begin with).

*(For example, were you to use ForF to stand for Forest Fire, the lowercase "or" indicates the or is secondary to the first F, while the capitalization of the second F clarifies that the letter represents the start of a second word; This approach is also consistently matched to formatting practices within most scholastic/technical fields, such as with chemical formulas)

Proper nouns mostly do it to make it clear when you're referring to a name rather than a word [eg, "The Bunnies" could make it clear you're refererring to a sports team rather than actual rabbits]. Capitalization in names also helps distinguish titles (eg, nee and von and the like are always lowercased, and thus easy to distinguish as titles or associative elements rather than as coincidentally identical parts of the name itself).

There's also a loose expectation of it indicating an emphasis of pronounciation or of seperation of meaning within compounded names, but that's generally meaninglessly inconsistent [perhaps due to the international, and thus cross-language, influence of names] (just look at the Dutch surname Van der Meer, which has the variant forms of Vandermeer, Vander Meer, and VanderMeer, evidencing that there's no real consistency of approach to such matters).

The weirdest part about capitalization in personal names is the social/vanity aspect. It can be considered rather insulting to miscapitalize an individual's name (well, that was something my elementary school self found rather absurd for my teachers to emphasize so heavily but, in practice, people do tend to get prickly over their names).

Finally, in terms of names in general, consistent capitalization is expected for the sake of clarity. Any variation in capitalization implies a secondary individual as being referenced, though such an implication can of course be dismissed in any circumstance where one can easily intuit the variation as simply being a typo. In situations where you have two John Smiths in your office, however, the deviation in capitalization may be an intentional (albeit atypical) method of differentiating the two. (Lowercase smith, you know which one you are..)

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Well, again, none of the above is directly relevant to this particular matter. Here, the issue wasn't in miscapitalizing cg's name, but in the fact that both cg and SG have equal similarity with CG, making easy interpretation of that deviation in expected capitalization/spelling a bit hard to recognize. As cg is representative of SG (as he has full control over the site), the distinction is mostly irrelevant, but in other contexts that deviation could be legitimately confusing. This confusion is of course emphasized by the fact that Cg is the expected natural capitalization of cg, emphasizing that CG could simply be a typo of SG.

Likewise, while CG may be the formatting present on Patreon, it is still considered proper to translate names to their localized forms where localization exists*. As such, the patreon formatting cannot be considered relevant on this site, which already has an expected formatting for the name [as that is considered to take priority, due to localization].

*(Of course, this forced localization may at times seem problematic due to inconsiderate renaming, such as being required to translate Deutschland into Germany for English, despite the fact that German is a term that has never been used by the natives of the region in question; Ergo, making such relabelings of outside regions rather insensitive. After all, would it be proper to refer to Africa as "Blacksville", Eskimos as "Snow People", or part of Europe as "The Barbarian Lands", just because that was the expected localized form? As noted earlier in the post, proper presentation of names can be a sensitive thing, so even less intuitively offensive relabels can lead to discontent.
Conversely, the merits of adhering to the perspectives associated with proper nouns/names is highlighted in programming and other technical fields, where minor distinctions in presentation can be significant in their relevancy, such as how a change of capitalization can directly change which variable is being referenced by a programming script.
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Yep.

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Thank you for the verbose answer! But I can't agree that this is the case of localization, since language used on patreon and here is the same; On top of it, this topic is about patreon, and so using the form from there seems relevant. If, for some reason, cg would decide to use another nickname on patreon, like "Jigglypuff" for example, then it would be fine to call donators "Jigglypuff patrons". It would, of course, be very confusing, but it would be cg's fault that he used inconsistent nickname.

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since language used on patreon and here is the same

I've never seen "cg" capitalized on SG before, though?

this topic is about patreon, and so using the form from there seems relevant.

It would be, in certain circumstances, such as for matters where there's a distinction between the meanings of localized forms, or where the localized form on patreon has some significance. You'd typically append a clarification in such instances, however. eg. "Gib [on patreon, this means "to slap in the face with a rubber chicken]"

However, the main reason localization is always prioritized (within any context) is due to comprehensibility. That is to say, one can't expect others to understand references made to or by way of outside sources, so one adjusts the presentation to match local understanding. Basically, it's the same principle as language translation. Both versions of a word (or of synonymous words, in situations where a direct translation isn't possible) are considered to have value, meaning, distinctiveness, etc, but it's expected that you'll prioritize the word with the higher liklihood of obtaining proper recognition in meaning.

cg would decide to use another nickname on patreon, like "Jigglypuff" for example, then it would be fine to call donators "Jigglypuff patrons". It would, of course, be very confusing, but it would be cg's fault that he used inconsistent nickname

Well, yes, can't directly argue with that. In that case, "Jigglypuff Patron" could be considered a title, such as for a faction. By way of that, it's easy for me to understand why you feel "CG Patron" should be interpreted similarly, as inherently it should be. But as I noted with the 'gib' example above, it ends up being an issue solely because of the pre-established meaning of "cg" and "SG". "CG" has no pre-established meaning on SG.

Again, that sort of distinction isn't relevant to the present matter (outside of being a decent basis for teasing/jesting) simply because cg and SG are synonymous to begin with. But if cg's patreon name had been "Giveaway", then I think you can see how "Giveaway Patrons" (or even more confusing, "Giveaway Supporters") could take on a rather different interpretation (at the very least, at first glance). Even worse, "Trump Patrons", "Murder Patrons", "That One Bar's Patrons", etc.

Of course, as you firmly hit the nail with, the main issue here is:

but it would be cg's fault that he used inconsistent nickname.

Obviously, that's the real element at fault here, rather than anything the OP of this thread did. I mostly just highlighted the localization/etc in response to the enquiry about related language rules/expectations. Which is to say, "cg" would have been more appropriate here (from a language expectation perspective), but- given that CG was used on Patreon- we also can't fault the OP for the matter (as direct quotations are never "wrong", even when they're unclear in meaning), even if the end result is needlessly confusing.

Thus, your statement of "so using the form from there seems relevant" is correct, but "relevant" and "clear in meaning" are nevertheless still two different concepts. My teasing was more to highlight the fact that there was such a readily available confusion in this particular case, given that both "cg" and "SG" were possible interpretations for "CG". As in, it was amusing because it was ultimately a meaningless distinction, and thereby an easy platform for teasing. Well, there's a lot of hit-and-miss when it comes to humor, so forgive me if it didn't convey well. :P

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you'll prioritize the word with the higher liklihood of obtaining proper recognition in meaning.

Of course. But this topic is addressed to users of Patreon, that are likely to understand "CG" capitalization.

I mostly just highlighted the localization/etc in response to the enquiry about related language rules/expectations

And I'm thankful for that. Even if most of what you wrote corresponds to my understanding, it's nice to read it in systematized form.

"relevant" and "clear in meaning" are nevertheless still two different concepts.

I absolutely agree. It's relevant, but still confusing, especially if reader do not visit Patreon often.

forgive me if it didn't convey well. :P

I can't say it didn't convey well - I got the joke (it's not always the case when it comes to english), and found it funny.

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The topics upon which you are willing and able to create a WoT never cease to amaze me... ;)

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Added every Patreon in this thread to my WL :)

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Posting just because ;D

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I've got a star...

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You're both already on my WL :)

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ohh i wanna join the party!

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Whitelisted you guys :)

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