MS from before 2012, perhaps, but considering they created .NET Core which works on Linux better than Mono could ever do, creating a foundation for ASF V3, your statement is nothing more than a pure hate - not an objective evaluation of their contributions to open-source across last 5 years (if not more). And I'm stating that as a Linux developer, the guy who moved from Windows back in XP era.
In any case, I'm waiting to see how it turns out. It's entirely possible that they'll ruin GitHub and effectively make me and hundreds of thousands other developers move from it, but based on their recent acquisitions (such as Xamarin) and open-source contributions (such as .NET Core, Visual Studio Code and more), I'm very positive that if anything, things are only going to improve for people that GitHub is actually made for.
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Delusion.
I would say that Microsoft recently began to play even more aggressively on Opensource makets than before.
Just in a 3 years they've fed on more than dozen opensource projects.
Buying out linux server distro to make it more of a playground for their tests than legit system (killing it because they are way less stable than they used to be) or buying control over linux? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YdL7Hch78s
They are "closing" their systems and consoles every new OS they release.
Our rights for "our" windows systems are declining. "Our" office/other ms software is less ours every new iteration.
Microsoft knows better than you and is actively trying to stop you from pursuing alternatives.
Did you know that MS have a lot of patch fixes for common system problems that are only obtainable if you go through manual approval and sometimes even require you to be their gold or platinum partner? Just to fix their goddamn bug. How is that fair? Thing is... without that fix you cannot create software that they have monopoly on. If everything worked well on every computer from the beginning there would be no need to use some of MS solutions and this is why such fixes are not available for public.
They are buying out software, they are implementing them in their systems (be it desktop or server) and are forcing you to do only what they'll allow you to do.
I work quite a lot with multiple MS systems and OS components and on every step i see walls they are building around us.
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I work quite a lot with multiple MS systems and OS components and on every step i see walls they are building around us.
And I do not work with any of their paid systems, including Windows desktop, while working with a lot of the projects they either acquired or created, including GitHub, .NET Core, Mono, Visual Studio Code and probably more I'm even unaware of.
I wonder why my experience with them is highly positive, compared to all "paid" users that are entirely screwed over. Maybe they should learn from this lesson and move to alternatives like I did?
Microsoft knows better than you and is actively trying to stop you from pursuing alternatives.
I actually don't care. If they "closed" .NET Core in this very minute, I'd just fork it and continue working on it same as before. Moreover, thousands of devs would join me in this effort, because it's open-source, licensed on MIT license. You can't "shut down" open-source development, regardless if you're behind it or you've just bought it. I don't care what they're doing in Windows, Xbox, Azure and all other closed web-services, because I do not find any reason to use them if I don't agree with their policy - being closed-source and making me fully depend on them is one of such things. But GitHub is nothing else than service based on git protocol, which is, surprise, open-source. They can kill GitHub in this very minute, I'd just move to GitLab. If they suddenly killed every single git service that is out there, burning thousands of billions of dollars, I'd just fork last build of GitLab and host it on my own server. Just because I use their software doesn't mean that I suddenly "depend" on it, I do not corner myself in a single point of failure, and especially the development I'm doing.
So yeah, making allusion to your last sence, I work quite a lot with multiple MS services and software, and on every step I see friendly community that doesn't only fix the bugs that I'm reporting, but even visits my own projects to offer help, which I wouldn't expect even as a freaking paid customer, let alone unrelated open-source developer. If they kill GitHub, it'll be the first bad thing they do in last 6 years, while having an outstanding record of at least a dozen of good things that they did to me during such, because everything they're doing is making Linux ecosystem stronger, and making Linux ecosystem stronger is what everybody is waiting for in terms of OS desktops, since Windows 95 times. If you call it delusion or wrong, then I actually don't want to be right, their latest open-source and linux contributions are nothing less than outstanding. Unless they screw me over, I'll stay positive towards them - destroying GitHub will be more than enough to make me change my mind, but it didn't happen as of yet. It also didn't happen with Xamarin, Mono, .NET Core, Visual Studio Code and all other things I'm using.
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I agree with all but one thing makes me scratch my head. When EA buys out studio and then soon closes it down it makes people rage. When MS does it no one has any concerns.
Of course that there will always be alternatives alive but sudden activity in closing them down or taking them as their own "for later use" is quite worrying.
MS have a long tradition of redoing existing things to their own liking that usually don't find their place in a real world. With exceptions of course.
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I do not see them closing GitHub anytime soon, and I'm super objective in this. They host all their major repos on GitHub, including whole .NET Core, .NET foundation, hundreds if not thousands of projects, moving all of that to another service would cost them comparable amount of time and money. If you ask me, I think that the major "reason" for this acquisition was actually to not depend on the fact that GitHub is today, but it might be gone tomorrow. I can make a switch with my projects in a few minutes, but Microsoft can't so easily, the deployment cost would be too high, and making self-backups just in case GitHub disappears is much less than perfect. If they wanted to use their own technology for that, they could (CodePlex), but to me they realized that it'd be counter-productive and it's much better to just make your foundation on something stable, and ensuring that it won't disappear tomorrow makes sense to me.
Of course that there will always be alternatives alive but sudden activity in closing them down or taking them as their own "for later use" is quite worrying.
I didn't see anything like that. They bought Xamarin and a lot of people indeed considered that they did it only to kill mono, but instead of killing mono they actually took the idea and made .NET Core happen. Moreover, even now when closing mono would actually make sense, they still support it, spending money on it, and making it work as an alternative runtime capable of even running .net core apps, despite being much inferior. To me this is everything but "shutting down competition". Can you point out your case from those?
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You should read this. Hell it even mentions that in the article:
Buying GitHub is not as wild as it might sound. Microsoft is the top contributor to the platform, and it insists that it won't muck things up once the acquisition closes later this year, noting that GitHub will operate independently.
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Not really surprised. They've been quietly laying the foundation for a move like this for a while now mostly by making the the .NET Foundation more independent, and with the Mono project, as well as actually porting their SQL Server database to Linux.
Doubt this will affect the gaming world a lot (well, more CLR-based stuff on Linux may help make it easier to port stuff to that platform), I expect when it comes to business software the back&forth between Microsoft and Oracle will flare up again.
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Did anyone bother to read the article or just read the title and panic? Quote from the article:
Buying GitHub is not as wild as it might sound. Microsoft is the top contributor to the platform, and it insists that it won't muck things up once the acquisition closes later this year, noting that GitHub will operate independently.
That is also backed up by this article.
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Yes, people seem to like to jump on the hate-MS bandwagon without really understanding what they're about. Ever since Satya Nadella took over, things have really been looking up at big, bad MS.
People seem to also forget that MS contributes more code to the open source community than any other company (or individual) on the planet. They've kind of put their money (or, in this case, the lack thereof) where their metaphorical mouth is, so I'm completely baffled by all of the panic in the street. Is this just gamer kids freaking out because their parents told them to hate Microsoft because Microsoft was actually kind of evil in the 90s and their parents experienced it? 😅😁🙃😉 Things change. <shrug>
[waiting for a BL or two from some haters for pointing that out...lol]
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Reading? Sources? On the Internet? Blasphemy! Everyone knows only journalists do that and even only so often.
Seriously now, it still is worrysome. Not the doomsday it appears at first but still no publically owned companies can be ever trusted, Microsoft being based around closed platforms(like most others) just makes it worse.
Markets shift, stocks, presidents and so much more. MS is playing nice on some fronts(and this one) as long as they help then, and they can gain with open source and github as things are currently, and probably will still be for years. 10? more, less? Point is- the moment they could gain more from ironfisting on GitHub then being nice they probably will, and defenitly if the company ends up going bad/worse in the future.
Gamepass for example or windows/microsofts 'play anywhere' (xbox and pc)- those aren't Microsoft being nice but needing to be. If they were in the Playstation position or stronger we would be living in the xbox launch era with all those limitations they were blamed for.
And that ain't Microsfot- its business, public owned companies and capitalism. Playstations take on cross-platform play for example- if Playstation was bad on the legs they would definetly allow cross-play. Apples platform isolacionism only exists because they can get away with it. A shift in the market, a shareholder voting, a new president on the company- anyone of those things could change everything and without warning.
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i'd prefer they hadn't, but i felt the same way about minecraft and that hasn't been any worse for me since then. i've experienced a lot of problems from microsoft in the past and i still don't want to like them, but recent experience has actually been much better so hopefully this will go like minecraft where i can keep using github the way i was before and mostly forget it has anything to do with microsoft.
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Maybe they finally realized how idiotic their UWP attempt was. One can only hope ...
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Its time to copy your projects from GitHub and start to search another platform. They will kill it for sure
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