That is because like Win 3, 3.1, 3.11, 95, NT3.51, 98, NT 4.0, ME, 2000, XP, Vista & 8, Microsoft is dropping support for Windows 7 & 8.1.
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Personally I've yet to find a game that doesn't work on W10 ..
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not all people have the support from the computer developer for the drivers for win 10
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I have that problem. Checked with Lenovo and they outright said that they don't and won't be having support for my 2-year-old Laptop (which they advise not to upgrade as it is not compatible with W10) They just obliquely told me to buy a newer laptop from them (-_-)
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See question below for ShandyAndy and yourself... just curious.
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lolz, they rather have you shell out the money then them shell out the money to support you
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Just like the rest of computers in the world, in the end, they use components manufactured by others - graphics card, sound card, wi-fi card, etc. In cases like this you must look for drives outside your laptop's brand website.
I'm quite sure if you upgraded to W10 everything would be ok, because it's basically the same as W7/W8.
And if I'm not mistaken drivers are backward compatible between W7 - W8 - W10.
Just yesterday I upgraded an older computer from W8 to W10, and guess what, I didn't have to upgrade any single driver, everything was working straight out of the box, Just new windows version. Windows 10 upgrade has an option, "keep my user settings and programs". which I used.
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That potentially will cause issues but note I have W10 installed on a 9 year old laptop that doesn't support W10 and as far as I can remember only 1 application didn't work (and I can't remember what that was now so it can't have been that important). Admittedly I don't use it for gaming but that is because the hardware simply isn't up to the job, which is why I upgraded to a PC last year.
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This really goes out to you and CheeseTuber... how are your systems not compatible with Win 10?
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I can't remember which application didn't work on my laptop - its over 6 months since I did the upgrade. Other than that my laptop works reasonably OK with W10 - although I do fancy it works slower than it did with W8/Vista (the two other OSs I used on it)
I do have an old webcam what I tried to use on my gaming W10 PC but couldn't get working. I didn't really spend any time looking into it as it was probably 10+ years old and at some time when it becomes necessary I'll just buy a new one.
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Sorry, but I didn't see your message until now.
I already upgraded my laptop once when W10 released (in august I think ?) and I had a lot of trouble. Half of the hardware on my Laptop like Wifi, DvD drive etc stopped working (apparently because there was no drivers or they weren't compatible) That is when I contacted Lenovo support and they told me the model wasn't supported and even directed me to a post on their forums where they listed all the models they advise not to upgrade (which ofc in my hurry, never bothered to check or find out).
Eventually, I had to take my Laptop to the service center as my recovery disc was missing and Windows couldn't roll back properly.
EDIT: Not to mention the constant BSOD.
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The device drivers is precisely what I was overlooking. It was completely escaping me how a system wouldn't cut it since the system requirements alone have been below industry build standards for years and years. I do know that some device driver updates have been either non-existent or complete failures with Win 10 so now that makes total sense... thanks for your input guys. It would seem I was overlooking the obvious (not that this is a first time for that by a long shot!)
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From what I understand the follwoing games (I have) don't work: Spore, Burnout Paradise, Mass Effect, Dragon Age: Origins.
All are older games, yet games I still play regulary.
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Thats pure bullshit, i can confirm that Burnout, Mass (D)Effect, and Dragon Age Origins works fine on win10.
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Seconded. I was playing DA-O recently and I had windows 10 on release day.
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Don't know about spore and burnout paradise, but I have no problem running Mass Effect or Dragon Age: Origins on my Win10 computer
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Where did you get that from? I can confirm everything there but Spore works in W10
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I read it somehwere that the DRM on those games prevented to run on W10. Guess the sources where wrong.
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i had an f2p game refuse to start on windows 8 preview because it's anti-cheat didn't recognize that version of windows. even though anti-cheat was wrong here, at least it provides a benefit to the players unlike drm.
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I think you sooner than later will have more problem with games not running on win7/8 then on windows 10
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So far it seems to me that not only do games work normaly, older games seem to work better then on windows 8.1
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Dragon Age: Origins works fine on Win 10. You should try MAD MAX... now THERE's a Win 10 complaint.
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Spore is the only one that would not work,due to the stupid DRM it used,and 10 not allowing that kind of low level access,which you can find ways around,but i think it would be far easier to just dig up a crack for that by passes said DRM
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3 of your 4 mentioned games have been confirmed to work below, and Spore according to the steam forums works aswell (i might try it myself later). question is, where did you get the information that those games don't work?
i updated to Win10 pretty quickly (few days after release), and so far i didn't have a single game that didn't work. i had problems with Starcraft 2 in the first weeks (it worked, but had strange freezes in the menu sometimes), but that was resolved quickly.
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My kids play spore all the time on Win10. From what I recall, the only issues with Spore also apply to any other OS, and that's that the servers are down and you have to find the patch and apply it manually. Do that, and you're all good.
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80% of my older games are not totally or partially compatible with W10
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I've found a couple, but they're mostly ones that did not work in 8.1 on my rig, and I suspect some of that is stuff that doesn't like my particular hardware setup. I think if you tinkered with compatibility stuff enough, and weren't running a notebook graphics card, you wouldn't hit many issues.
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Well, anything pre-DirectX 6. Win10 doesn't support DX 5 or less, at least I never heard of them releasing a fix.
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I think if someone is still relying on DirectX 5 (best part of 20 years old?) then they really need to resign themselves to upgrading .. ;) I'm no fan of MS but we have to accept they can't support everything forever.
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Old games do. For example, you cannot Run Commandos 1 and 1.5 on Win10, and those are still damn good tactical games.
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I don't dispute it, I just think we have to accept that time moves on. Every Windows upgrade brings a tear to the eye as a favourite application bites the dust. I've been experiencing this since Windows 3.0 ..
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Those worked fine after manually dropping in a part of dx5 iirc... and the steam versions recently got fixes that should negate that entirely. Hope that helps you somewhat :)
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that makes a difference to me -- i have commandos on steam and think i'll probably like it, but don't really want to run an old version of windows in order to do it.
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i would also say that we should accept that MS can't support every old technology forever. if you play old DX5 games on a regular basis, i am sure there are ways to do that on every modern OS (for example a VM with WinXP or 7). it's the same for all DOS games. you can't run them on any 64-bit Windows, so you have to use DosBox. that doesn't make Win7 x64 a bad OS. ;)
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Well, I assume eventually somebody will make an emulator or just a framework to run these old games, like how DosBox was created.
I looked up and Commandos was indeed updated by Pyro about a month ago, so this issue is solved at least. ^.^
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So because you have no problems with it, no one will have problems with it?
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Nope, just offering an opinion on the other side of the debate from someone who has used Windows since v3.0 that the end of the world is not nigh, most applications will not stop working and the dropping of support for old versions of windows has been the way of the world for 25 years ..
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absolutely right. people complain about this over and over again, with every new windows version. they complained about the same things, when Win7 came out. and now everybody has Win7 and thinks it's the best OS in the world, because - other than Win10 - all software works fine on it. ^^
there are always ways to get old software to work. for 16-bit games we have DosBox. and for DX5 games we could just use a VM.
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same here, and i've run a lot of games on windows 10 and have been using it since the first preview release. not a single software compatibility issue.
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Mine have all worked on 10, and I updated at the technical preview.... likely since the kernel has been the same since NT with only moderate updating. The changes are not ultimately as significant as those made when XP released. Although I liked XP, I do remember it killed a lot of games at the time (at least for me).
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Nah, it's because they want to forcefully put users on Win10, so they will be able to shove tons of ads down your throats ; ) They already put ad-containing code in start menu and lock screen, noone knows where else they will want to put it.
Also they want to make shitload of money just as Apple is making, by allowing users to install apps from their shop. And binding playing on PC to buying apps only in MS store will be worst thing ever. They can't do it right now, but if Win10 will have dominant position on the market (just as WIn 7 have now) they will be able to do this, forcing people to buy "certified" apps from their shops (just as they're selling Rise of the Tomb Raider right now).
People are still sitting on WIndows Vista, 7, 8.1 and NOONE should FORCE them to upgrade their OS, by the means of including Windows 10 as important security patch. If it's their decision - sure, give them opportunity. But don't force them to do anything against their will.
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Along with those ones above, there is monitorizing, no need to mention.
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Not to take anything away from what you said..
But where are these ads you speak of,as i have not come across any ads.
I have not see one single add that you claim they are doing,and forcing you to update lol if you where forcing you why would they even give you the option to go back to your previous windows with the free update,would they not disable that feature?
As usual i see a lot people jumping the gun and fire off rounds before high noon.
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Me neither. The worst they can use the personal info data it gathers is selling it to advertisement companies so you see even more personalised ads on Edge. I'd be more concerned on the possibilities of somone finding out how to piggyback and reverse this channel for intrusion/takeover of the PC, and I'm not even sure that it is even possible in the first place.
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Ads on lock screen, ads in start menu. The fact that we can turn them off now doesn't mean that when WIn10 will be on most of PC M$ won't just roll out another update which will force people to look at them. "OMG, don't bitch around, we have given you FREE OS! Stop whining, it's our price of your ability to use it".
And really? They FORCE people to update their OS by giving it as safety update. Have they done this with WinXP=>Win Vista, Win Vista=>Win7, WIn7=>WIn8? NOPE. It was people choice to go and buy upgrade to newer OS. Not M$ corpo bullshit.
It's not safety upgrade, it's installation of new OS. Really small number of people are aware of it and will hide this update. Or will be able to roll back to previous OS. Majority of people - elderly people, kids, and some of adults (yeah, I'm only one in my whole fmaily who can do a full format and OS installation) don't know that they can install adblock to get rid of ads, or that they can manually remove past windows safe points to get extra space on theirs HDD. So for people like this, this forced update will mean sticking with Win10 forever, as you can roll back in a one-month window of time.
You just don't see whole picture, you just look at you and your friends from "computer era" and think that it's obvious to everyone that they can do something natural for you with their PCs. But they can't, that's why M$ pulled out this shit - to get advantage of all those people, who have problems with more advanced funcions of OS than opening up a web browser or running Steam to play in CS:GO.
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You know, when Apple pushes forcibly an iOS change on their iPhones and iPads, they cheer for getting a brand new OS for free, even if said OS has been proven to be custom-made to run poorly on anything but the latest models.
MS pushes forcibly a free update on their OS, and now they are Satan.
I'll never understand people.
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Apple is close to non-existent in my country, but I still don't agree with their policy about forced upgrades, apps only from their store, lately they were bricking phones "in the accident" if they were repaired in non-authorized by Apple repair centers.
And well Apple doesn't have monopoly on mobile market. It's Android that has got majority of the market and Google doesn't force people to upgrade their phones (for obvious reasons). So people deliberately choose to use apple products. They can't do the same with OS, as most of proffessional firmware works only on WIndows - Photoshop, AutoCad, heck even programs which are managing my lab equipment runs only on Windows. So people doesn't have a choice in a matter of using OS (unless you want to only use web browser and write simple texts - linux will do). That's why they doesn't agree with MS policy.
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Wait, you mean your lab runs Windows natively on those computers and not as a VM?
I mean, okay, my old uni did this too, but because the computers were old as hell and couldn't handle virtualisation. But otherwise, I more often see a Linux distro running VirtualBox, and running Windows there.
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I don't see the point in running WIndows 7 as virtualisation, having Linux beneath it, if it's computer with i3 and 4gb of RAM, without access to the internet, and is used to operate one simple program xD
Apart from that - well yeah, our law of competitive tendering more or less force our public agencies to buy pre-made PCs, and PCs from Dell and so on always come with preinstalled Windows on main HDD. So noone can change anything as it'd be violation of license.
If you can tell me - what's the point of running WIndows as virtualisation on Linux? I know about safety measures of running virtualisation, but anything other?
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Safety and stability. Linux rarely crashes (some distros practically never unless you actively fuck something up on them), and on virtualisation it is easier to configure failover for client crashes. Added bonus is that more modern CPUs support virtualisation natively now through Intel or AMD specific instruction sets, so there is zero loss of performance in the client OS.
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Really? I have been using Ubuntu as of late and it has crashed way more than my Windows 7/10 at home has ever done. I suspect it's related to the graphic card drivers, but well, the thing is that it crashes anyway.
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Don't think Ubuntu: those versions are made for desktop use. Think RedHat and SUSE distros, made for work. They are incredibly stable by nature; entire communication networks of countries run on them.
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Oh, well, that certainly makes more sense - thanks for the clarification. However, then it's not entirely accurate to say that "Linux" nearly never crashes. ;)
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Well, depends on how nitpicking you are. Linux is in reality just a kernel, not an OS, the distros are built upon a certain version of this kernel. Officially "the" Linux OS is called GNU/Linux to get some distinction. Still, this strange naming leads to some confusion even in the official documentation.
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If the sole purpose is to run a single application, that Windows probably does not crash. And even if it crashed, what would be the benefit of having any kind of "bulletproof" Linux underneath, which did not? You would have to restart Windows anyway.
And if there are some special hardware and its drivers involved, virtualization can make things super-complicated.
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The client can instantly reload a snapshot and have a working system running in seconds again. Worst case, an installation can be the same way too. True, you can use a similar method over LAN, where you just copy the same snapshot of the OS to the computer to have it ready fast, but VMs tend to be faster as they don't need copying beforehand.
And I guess there have to be other benefits. I see system engineers use this method all the time, and not just in software labs but on live sites as well.
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You just don't see whole picture, you just look at you and your friends from "computer era" and think that it's obvious to everyone that they can do something natural for you with their PCs. But they can't, that's why M$ pulled out this shit - to get advantage of all those people, who have problems with more advanced functions of OS than opening up a web browser or running Steam to play in CS:GO.
How did you come up with that conclusion?Who said i had friends?
I never even claimed or said everyone should or does know how to use a pc beyond turning it on and playing games and surfing the web,but you are also leaving out the part of,how many do not care if the OS auto updates or not,how many only care that they can use Windows and that it works?Any any case what does that have to do with if they are being forced or not?I mean after all if you are being forced no matter how much knowledge you have of said PC your going to have to upgrade,as being forced means no way out.
And i asked about these ads you mentioned so i am not even sure why you brought up the upgrade thing.
Also i never claimed that nothing was being sneaked it or what not,i was merely asking about these ads you claim they have slipped in as i have not seen any,nor have any of my friends ever mentioned ads.
All i was asking is where are they?I never said it did not happen in fact he could have slipped the code in in case he decides to post ads,but my question was where are the ads not about the what ifs and maybes of what said code could do.
You said they did it to place ads,and i have yet to see any so i am wondering where these ads are you claim they slipped in?
Then say i do not see the whole picture..when all i asked you about was the stinking ad part lol
Seems to me the only picture that matters is the one you painted for everyone else.
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Just a small tip: you can add > in front of a paragraph to format it as a quote. Easier to see what you are answering to. (I would have sworn I saw you use it when we had a discussion/argument, but looks like I recalled wrong.)
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Did not know that i hope i can remember to do that lol
And fair enough i have done it before and replied to the wrong person or miss read something it happens we are not perfect.
I am not pro Microsoft,but i also do not think they deserve bashing just for the sake of hating while so many others seems to over all get a free pass for forced updates or sneaking stuff in and so on.
As in Apple and there OS,and also Android,though Android OS itself never really forces an update more less people making phones and said tablets to quit updates to upsell like Apple.
At least with Android you can still get pure Android tablets and phones that get updates and do not force updates to keep using.
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by the means of including Windows 10 as important security patch.
Oh, wow.
So that explains why my recent attempt to install updates broke midway in- just checked, and that looks like that's what mucked it up.
Edit: Fuck, looks like I was one of the lucky ones:
People are saying that the upgrade and rollback may fail and corrupt your OS along with your files.
Tsch.
Well, hid the update now, so it ought be alright.. hopefully..
Microsoft has a bad habit of ignoring your preferences and options when it suits them. -.-
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They also give you the option to switch the store ads off with one button press.....
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Windows 7 still has extended support which means that it will receive updates till 2020. 8.1 has full support till 2018 and extended support till 2023. So they're not dropping support for 7 and 8.1.
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I said Windows 8, not 8.1.
Microsoft has dropped Win 8 support already.
And yeah, Win 7 still gets updates, but that is its only remaining support.
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As I was reading this, I went "ah, 2020, that's still some time to go" in my head... until I realised that it's 2016 already. Time flies, man, time flies.
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So? My gameboy lost support years ago but they don't come to my house and switch for a 3DS
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If someone was really worried they would take an old system, Install Win XP Pro SP2, 6GB [why not, RAM is cheap], 20GB mSATA drive [w/msata / sata adapter] for OS, 120GB SSD for data, a Video card with between 512-1048MB & other misc goodies.
And they would install, Chrome, Steam & other oldies but goodies.
Maybe even a Win 98c Machine for even older oldies.
LOL, I actually have the needed hardware myself, if I wanted to do this too.
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There is compatibility mode on Win 10 that will acts as an older Windows OS for the chosen program.
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I have at least 100 retail games that use Safedisc / Securom that won't work on Win 10. Compatibility mode won't help there.
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That's the DRMs' fault though, and both, along with Tagés, have been notorious of not working on any system properly.
I understand that it sucks, but this is an issue you have to take to the manufacturer of those DRMs, because they are much more dangerous than anything Win10 is accused of.
(Also, sadly, this is what we went through when WinXP dropped proper MS-DOS support, so until DOSbox came, we pretty much couldn't play old games.)
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10 no longer allows low level access for DRM that uses those...but from what i gathered there is a way to still play them on 10 but you have to know how to self sign your own drivers.
In short there is no easy way to do it on 10
But older OS it is easier to work around,but for 10 the only thing i can think of is a crack,as much as i hate to say it.
In some cases you might get lucky and a roll back or update to a different version will remove said DRM.I would say your best bet and safest would be to buy a copy of Windows 7 if you do not have one and dual boot it with 10 to play older games,
Other wise it re-purchase the ones you can or use cracks...
This is the reason i am against any DRM for crap like this,same with Denuvo will it be removed if that ever becomes defunct?Also check GOG.
Sorry that you have so many games bought in that format.
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/play-games-safedisc-securerom-drm-windows-10/
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Sadly it won't. It comes down to loop holes in earlier versions of Windows that Securom and Safedisc exploited. These have been fixed in Win 10.
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Out of the 700 odd retail games I own quite a lot use either Securom or Safedisc. Using the less than legal means of playing them would be the only way to play them. I have spent so much on gaming I don't think I'll re-buy them digitally.
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here's hoping windows 10 actually helps reduce the amount of games with problematic drm. probably more likely that they'le come up with even worse forms of drm though...
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I know of the workarounds (both legal and illegal) to get the games working on Win 10. I actually bought a 2nd hdd to install Win 10 to, to be able to dual boot. I have been putting off installing Win 10 though :(
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Well you can keep on holding off as long as you do not want DirectX 12 games or full support anyhow.
Or games that on Windows 10 only,but i do not think you are rushing to use there store,giving if you holding out on 10 you have reasons for it,so i do not see that as a reason you would upgrade lol.
I mean i suppose the only thing thing that could maybe sway you is if a publisher made the games for Windows 10 even if on Steam,but i doubt that.
I only upgraded as i wanted it while it was free so i do not need to pay later if i needed it,And over all i like it better then 8 and i like it enough and it is a lot like 7 that i can deal with it,but i also like it takes less resources and allows a little more ram for gaming,might not be a huge deal but everything little bit counts.
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I'll upgrade before the free Win 10 period expires. I have bought a couple of the games that won't work on GOG and in bundles. Some stuff like Battle for Middle Earth 1 + 2 aren't available for purchase online though. I won't touch the Windows Store with a 10 foot pole in in the current state it is in. It is just too bad Quantum break will follow the same path as Fable 3 :(
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Also i must add...
Windows 10 at its core is pretty much the same as Windows 7 so pretty much any game that works on them should work on this or if is still on Steam and being supported would have been patched by now.Which i think a couple had some minor issues with 10 when it launched and was patched shortly after.
If it does fail to play a game i am pretty sure compatibility mode would take care of that...
Also note not all games that used those DRM will fail to run,it is how the DRM itself was used that makes the difference,so go ahead and try the games.
In short if it ran on windows 7 it should work on 10 ..as long as it did not use stupid Securom or SafeDisc and even then they may still work depending on how they where implemented into the OS
“Everything that ran in Windows 7 should also run in Windows 10. There are just two silly exceptions: antivirus software and stuff that’s deeply embedded into the system needs updating – but the developers are on it already – and then there are old games on CD-Rom that have DRM. This DRM stuff is also deeply embedded in your system, and that’s where Windows 10 says “sorry, we cannot allow that, because that would be a possible loophole for computer viruses.” That’s why there are a couple of games from 2003-2008 with Securom, etc. that simply don’t run without a no-CD patch or some such. We can just not support that if it’s a possible danger for our users. There are a couple of patches from developers already, and there is stuff like GOG where you’ll find versions of those games that work.”
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I don't like the taste of win 10 so I'm staying with 7
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What a bunch of bastards. Turning off auto updates is one of the first things I do with an install.
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Well thanks for letting me know mate i appricate that
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Well, if someone have all auto-updates and stuff like that turned on, they have only themselves to blame.
Anyway, Windows 7 for life, maybe 8.1 in few years. I won't let MS force their products on me. If it will mean that I won't be able to play games on pc, I will just stick to Play Station. Nothing of value will be lost.
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skip windows 8.1.
Windows 8 was an abomination, and the "fix" is just throwing some lipstick on it. Just like it behooved everyone to skip Vista, everyone should skip 8.
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Have you read my comment above? I think that you did. I won't be using 10 beacuse I don't want to support what MS want to force on users with this. I will use 7 as long as it will be possible and then, well, linux maybe?
Or maybe people will show that they don't like the ideas standing behind 10 and MS will actually do something decent.
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I thoroughly dislike Microsoft, from their business philosophy to their software. I still use their products. I hate that Apple has become everything that Microsoft is. but I still use their products.
It's lack of choice. In the end, as much as I grumble about it, I want to use their products because, well, I love modern technology, from smart phones to computers to gaming systems and more. If the choice is to accept the terms of the technogiants, or live like a caveman, I'll accept the terms. And in the end, so will you (probably)
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Well, then, maybe use smartphones with other OS? Same goes with PCs.
I mean, yeah, I see your point, but picturing it as 'go with them or be caveman' is a big exaggerogation. People actually have choice but they prefer things to be simple, and most of them dislike changes. If more people would just stop at some point, and decide to not upgrade at some point, this companies would realize that something is wrong and they have to change.
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Win10 is planned to be like OS X, so there won't be any new Windows editions, and support will totally be dropped for anything older. So sticking to Win7 after a while will be like sticking to MS-DOS after Win9x went on the market. You can do it, but the rest of the world will go past you.
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that's exactly what I said about '98 because HoMM3 was not working on XP...
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XP wasn't so bad. And apart from other things about 10, it wasn't filled with 'spyware' and adds.
Like I said, I don't like what MS is doing with 10 so, if their next system won't be better and I will have to upgrade at some point of life, I will probably choose other OS. As simple as that.
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I've been using windows 10 for months now and I've yet to see a single add. Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read?
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XP when it came out was bad. Resource-intensive, totally redesigned UI and control panel, compatibility issues up the ass, performance ranging from great to borderline unusable. WinXP started to look almost like an OS at SP1, went great at SP2. Many, many people were still using Win98SE even in 2004, but XP eventually became the dominant force around that year, more than 3 years after release.
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Yay... another number to memorize as dangerous.
3035583, 3139929
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KB2952664 has been another that I've been avoiding.
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Just wondering, how does this update work? Does it delete all your content or it only "installs the OS" and that's it? I have been thinking of going to W10 but I'm afraid I will lose stuff I have on my computer.
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It runs the upgrade installer. This has the benefit of allowing your system to always take advantage of the free version of Windows 10.
Then you can roll-back to Windows 7 or 8 by 'uninstalling' Windows 10, or restore from a system backup.
My experiences with W10 have been fairly bad, so I'll probably nab the free license but stay on 7 until it's officially EOL.
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My experience is that once you upgrade, you got to spend about an hour mucking around with the system to get it into shape. After that it works fine.
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If you upgrade, you'll keep all your stuff unless you want to start of fresh yourself (go back to factory settings). Want to be safe? Save the important stuff on a external drive.
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It doesn't delete anything, it just installs the OS.
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So what's the problem ? Win 10 is best os in windows series.
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if you don't mind spying and compatibility problems
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sorry but if you don't a president of any country u don't care this. So no one needs ur photo or games or something like that.
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Do you really think "ur photo or games" is the issue? Sorry...
For starters: https://opensource.org/node/711
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Has nothing to do with who you think is important for what or anybody. The fact that they monitor any activity on anyone is disturbing. Maybe you should ask, if you aren't important why are they monitoring you then?
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I'm not important, but I'm sure they monitor me for several reasons, a couple of which are: Cortana is a stalker, and MS wants to know what I'm up to so they can make products I'll buy. If you don't want anybody to ever watch you, not even killing yourself can help you.
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Wha... MS is a hacker? The government is a hacker? I'm afraid you have no idea what this is about...
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Ofc mate u r prabably watching by CIA and FBI and other sevices 7/24 and u r right.
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Not them, but corporations. Your personal information is very important for profilig, sales, limiting you with stupid license agreements, it's like a tightening knot on your neck.
"If it's free, you are the product". Remember.
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So everything has a price and thats internet's price mate i'm sorry.
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Yeah, congratulations. Just roll over and let strangers do anything to you. Stupid people like you are the reason why "1984" is very close to being a reality right now.
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Lol, unfortunately this type of attitude seems prevalent on this site...a lot of ignorant people out there. I had someone once ignore my entire argument over why I want to know what a program is doing exactly on my machine with a statement of, 'I bet you're the type of person who goes around wondering how everything works, like a doorknob, etc.', as if not being an ignorant moron was a bad thing. sigh
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industrial espionage, trade secret theft, patent stealing is easier now with "first to file", IP theft like unique story line ideas, etc.
Also ai's are a thing now, letting one look at your data even if it were not allowed to direct copy, gives it a huge reverse engineering advantage.
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I am a software engineer, even though a really small-time fry, well, I have stuff I don't want reverse-engineered by anyone.
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the pleb is suspended for 3 weeks at this moment. lmao.
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suspended for liking win 10? D:
or just being stupid?
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And what are you doing? Just calling people stupid and refusing to use advancing technology like it'll actually make a change/difference to them? Just so you know, we won't exist forever, I'm going to die, you're going to die, the planet and human race and everything else is going to die. No amount of name-calling or useless 'boycotting' is going to change that, so have fun getting left behind with your tin hat, I'll let them try to improve my quality of life while I'm busy waiting to die, though.
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- W10 doesn't improve quality of life - it's got plenty of compatibility problems. The fact that DX12 doesn't work on W7 and W8 is not due to technical problems, it's a marketing move - there are no software or hardware limitations that prevent DX12 from working on OS from Vista up.
- Spyware is not "advancing technology".
- "If it's free - you're the product". Remember.
We can't accept what is happening right now. Ownership is being taken away, we're constantly spied on, "1984" is becoming a reality, one step at a time.
Sure we're gonna die. But I at least don't want to roll over and get screwed with a rusty dildo in the name of "progress" (or rather corporate profit).
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The third can easily be debunked. Win10 is not free, it is a free upgrade for previous owners for a limited time. Otherwise it carries the standard Windows pricing for personal and commercial use.
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Guess what - those who pirated W7 and W8 also got a free upgrade. They now have a legit OS for 100% free.
Limited time? Now it's being forced on those who didn't want to pick it up, pirates included
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They don't. They have a non-genuine activated OS. You still need to crack Win10 to pass the genuine check. I have tried this on several VMs using torrented Win7 and Win8.1 images, and they all failed the check after upgrading to Win10.
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I didn't need to. Once you make your Windows 7 'genuine', which is easily done by using loader, you can upgrade just fine to Windows 10 and it will say as activated.
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Uhhh.... nope. I thought the same, so I downloaded a pirated W7 on my netbook, installed it... I upgraded to W10, to test the new OS, and it passed the genuine test.
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That is… strange. Apparently, I need to test it with another image then. Thanks for the info, this means I need to look more into this.
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I can tell you which pirated distro I used, I think I still may have it. I am not sure, and I am not home (driving back in 2 days), so I can't promise.
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Nah, don't worry about that. I just look up some on my own; there aren't that many kind of releases anyway. ^.^
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Yes because everyone using Windows is just a simple employee or a teenager with no concerns about his info being stolen.
Industries, research facilities, hospitals, tribunals, police stations are definitley NOT using Windows as base OS right?
Open your eyes, you will discover that people can actually be different from you.
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The spying was backported to 7 and 8/8,1 though. You can turn it off in them all though.
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You can click "turn off", but you don't know if there is anything going out, and if so, what is going out.
The version of W7 I currently have shouldn't have spyware. Which is yet another reason to refuse "upgrading" to W10.
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What makes you think that microsoft doesn't spy on windows 7. Every windows collects data on usage of its software, also, its not like microsoft is taking your photos and videos or other super secret documents and selling them on the black market. You are far better monitorized and have more of your data collected by owning a smartphone (even without linking accounts on it)
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W7 is much older. Whatever it's sending, it's spyware is less advanced than W10's, and sends less data than what W10 collects. Also, W7 doesn't grant Microsoft control over what is installed on my PC, as opposed to W10, which enables Microsoft to remotely delete and uninstall stuff from your computer, regardless of your settings.
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And you think you're important enough for someone to take the time to spy on you? lol
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As an individual? Probably not. As a member of a crowd? Yes. There is a reason why Facebook made giant millions on selling personal data of people. M$ also wants that info, but more of it, for free. It's valuable for many reasons.
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That's not being spied on though, it's just metadata. Everything and everyone collects data like that these days. Without it, smart devices wouldn't be so smart.
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It's a breach of privacy. Just because everyone does it, doesn't mean it's a good thing.
Also, W10 allows Microsoft to remotely delete software and files on your system. That's not collecting metadata...
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I have tons of pirated stuffs over here and have not seen my data deleted.
They have more important things to do than deleting personal stuffs.
Don't spout nonsensical things.
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Sure, but let's say Quantum Break hits the stores. A pirated version goes out as well. They identify the most popular pirate releases, and send a small patch out. Said patch will be able to remove all instances of identified pirated Quantum Break from everyone's PC, no need to do it individually.
On W10, this is possible. On W8 and earlier, it isn't. Read up.
http://tech.firstpost.com/news-analysis/microsoft-can-now-remotely-disable-pirated-games-if-youre-running-them-on-windows-10-277956.html
http://thehackernews.com/2015/08/windows-10-disables-pirated-games-microsoft.html
They even included a paragraph allowing them to do it in their EULA. Nobody reads EULAs, they did it to cover themselves when they do it, and not as a scare tactic. While W10 wasn't included at
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All links and not a single REAL evidence of uninstallation in real life cases.
I own legitimate Windows 10 and Office 2016 in this machine I am using to write this post, but I also have seen illegitimate Windows 10 running just fine for months. :)
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How exactly can I provide you with something else than links? We're on the Internet....
Also, the very fact alone they legally are covering their asses via EULA means this is something they can do and are likely to do. There might not be any cases yet, because high-profile releases via MS, like Quantum Break, just didn't happen yet.
http://betanews.com/2015/11/24/windows-10-uninstalling-user-programs-without-permission/
There might have been cases already, though
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Me ? :) Sorry but i know nearly all developing languges and criptology and based by bits secure walls. And i know one more thing u r already share ur photos and videos and ur memories on fb or instg or somthing like that so u don't have any secret. And yes again u r not important for hackers or bad guys.
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Guys this is an obvious troll, just let him slide.
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i'm sure a mexican boy better than me on this but not now maybe 100 years ago :)
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First off, it's cryptography (from κρυπτοσ), not criptology (the study of a particular gang, I guess?), and the fact that you can't render an argument intelligible without smearing other users makes me doubt that you really know the full details of the issue...
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I do not care I have Installation disk with Win 7 OEM I can always install it :)
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This is old news. update # 3035583 should be treated as malware. It's a pity MS can get away with this.
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is it true that windows 10 ties itself to your hardware (maybe, specifically cpu and/or motherboard)? and if you did a major pc upgrade, youd have to purchase a new copy of windows 10?
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More or less. The free upgrade version ties itself to the hardware in use when it was installed. MS has to date not stated what would happen if major components are changed (motherboard, CPU for example).
It's possible that changing your MB and CPU would cause the key to be invalid. Then you would have to buy a new version.
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Really? Good thing I can get a free key for it through school...
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It's been happening since at least W7 for OEM versions which are tied to the hardware.
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as long as it doesn't force me to install ios or linux, all good. :333
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Indeed. I personally really like win 10 and was planning on upgrading soon anyway (already have it on my laptop, just not my gaming pc). Now I guess I'll just do it very soon, instead of soon...
Still don't like it that they force it on people, but for me personally there is no harm in it
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Christ, they crossed the limit...it is outrageous that they can do whatever they want with my stuff. Screw you MS.
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well, they can only do what you agree to in the terms of service.
The problem is, you have no control of the ToS. Want a PC? Need to accept Microsoft's ToS.
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We all know that, they know it better than us. And in fact they make ToS impossible to be read (unless you have a PhD in law stuff and thousands of hours to waste).
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but it doesn't matter whether you can read it or not. you either accept it, or don't use their products. No choice in the matter
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You accept it because if you don't (and if we talk about ToS we talk about everything on every technologic device) you will be forced to live like a 18th century man, and they deliberately make dishonest ToS because they know it...so I'm fully aware of my responsibilities but I'm also fully aware that they deliberately choose of being Mother**ckers. Simply enough.
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(speechless)
Look, I support Linux, but it has limited game compatibility support. Sure, there is Wine, but even without it there are times where you can't play a certain game you enjoy just because you have a different OS. But, maybe, one day Linux will become just as good as Win 7 or 10, but it's got a long way to reach that milestone.
As for M$, my reaction is up there /\
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At least it has already started.
I like indie games and I don't play hype AAA games. Almost all indiegames are coming with Linux version so I don't have much problem with gaming. you see indie bundles with 100% of Linux games all the time.
I miss only 2 games from my library: dungeonland and dead pixels. (and perhaps Polarity, because my joysticks don't work with it on wine)
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I moved completely to Linux for 3 months and I find that my games runs much better than on Windows (native Linux games even AAA games), I will never go back to Windows... I fell so free with Linux
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I have Windows 8 Ultimate and nothing ask me to upgrade to 10. So get your 8 Ultimate and forgot about force upgrade. For now...
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so do i need to set it to 'never check for windows updates' or can i set it to 'check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them'?
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I set it to the latter, and had no problems. However, just for the sake of caution, I ran GWX Panel anyway :D
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No no no, turning off Windows Updates is really a bad idea. Just set it to 'check for updates but let me choose whether to download and install them'
and do NOT install KB 3035583 evar.
But it seems Microsoft put that particular update into 'Important' so you must regularly hide the update manually. I say regularly because Micro$oft keeps updating that particular update that it keeps popping whenever a new version is issued...
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This happened not long ago, ain't it? If shit didn't hit the fan back then, neither should now.
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I don't mind too much. I like to be reminded that soon it's time to upgrade.
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So much for wanting to gain the trust of PC crowd, Microsoft.
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well,my computer is already broken anyways thanks to W8,better i just buy a new one that can support W10 with no problem,but my notebook is W7 and it's old....so....yeah....ready to lost a notebook now :D
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Source and how to prevent
And if it's about to force your "upgrade", folow these steps
This is utter BS tho, lots of my games don't even support W10.
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