Do you agee to punish the library owner with VAC ban if the owner shares a game with someone and he/she is cheats?
I tried to read most of the comments, and it seems that you feel very mistreated by Valve.
They all explained the same to you, but you do not want to accept it.
For security reasons, they choose to VAC ban your account as well.
If they do not, and just remove your ability to use the family sharing option, in case you are a conscious offender, they will have to deal with you twice. One for your fake "family member" account, and one for your original account.
To avoid such situations, a company with 20 million users online (let's say median is that number) and with peak today in CSGO 800 thousand players, applied this solution.
What are the changes that a first time offender will use STEAM support? High.
What are the changes for a repeater offender to use STEAM support? Lower to none
And this is the reason they do it. They run a statistics analysis internally, then to some players, then they do it a rule and cut back in workhours and things they could avoid.
Sorry to hear your situation, but as others said, you should have warned your child beforehand.
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I'm surprised anyone would expect it to work any other way. What would prevent a cheater for instance for buying one license and then making 100 free accounts and family share them and cheat on them knowing nothing is happening to their main, and if those accounts all get banned he can make another 100 and cheat on all of those too? Of course if a sub of that license gets a ban, so will the main license, it's only natural. When you "family share" you actually share your license to someone, meaning if they do something silly and get a ban, it's your license that gets the ban. You've given them your game to play on. You haven't bought them a second copy, you've given them your own copy. You only had 1 copy, not 2.
Not trying to rude and I understand this is a "warning post" but to me this is in the definition of "sharing". You can't just take your license and split it in two and if he gets a ban you still have half a license. What would that mean that you can just play on half of de_dust2 on cs go? You can't go b anymore? I'm making a joke, but I'm hoping you're getting my point. I don't really think anyone actually should wonder about this.
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A more lenient approach, that makes sense to me. 👍
I see no need for this 1+1=100% ban bullcrap. It's lazy and simpleminded.
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It just can't work that way. There is only ONE license. In order for what you suggest to work, when someone family shares their games, they should buy a new license to that game for that person, in case they cheat, that way the ban only is issued for the license that cheated, not for the main one as well. Going that route, there'd be no reason to even use family sharing, since they're just buying a separate license. But family sharing allows someone to not pay for the game again. If they went your way about it, it would only be fair to give everyone else that buys a game on steam a whole chance at cheating. Kind of like "go ahead, cheat once all you'd like until we ban you, and then don't cheat again or we actually will ban you". Why? Because why give X who shares with his kid and his kid is stupid and cheats but you wanna give him another chance, but not give Y another chance when Y doesn't family share but he is also stupid and cheats for his first time. It wouldn't only be fair that he gets his turn in the line as well. For that reason valve has a no tolerance policy.
The parent only paid for 1 single license, not two. When the person is caught cheating, a license has to get banned. There aren't two licenses. It doesn't matter if they share it to the kid, they don't get their own license, because that would mean they get their own copy of the game, that's not what "sharing" is. That'd be duplicating.
You can say it's lazy and simple minded, but if you don't ban the dad because his kid cheated, you also can't ban the dumbo who cheats on his own for no reason at all. It's only fair. When someone cheats and end up with a vac, it means they ruined the experience for other players online by playing online. It's not just the dad whos down here. It's who knows, if it's cs go, it's 9 other people in every single match the kid played. Maybe he played 1000 matches. Some cs go players don't get vac banned until they played for like 10 000 hours.
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I know what you are saying here, and how it works now but...I'm not stuck on the word "license" as an omnipotent barrier.
This should be handled in an Account by Account basis, mainly because the actual Account is getting flagged.. for life. And I also think Life is Life, and shit happens. Especially when kids are being kids. I can still see a perfectly reasonable solution where Daddy or Mommy's account wont have to face a lifelong VAC ban, just because their kid was acting a fool.. once.
Send 'em a warning before the hammer falls. 👍
Just because their policy is enforced this way today.. it doesn't make it right. This could easily change, and that change becomes the new norm. And after a cpl years we can all laugh at: Hey, remember when Valve banned the entire family just because their kid used CS:GO cheats down the family sharing line?
It IS lazy and simpleminded. Or at least moldy and outdated.
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I see your point of view and there is right in saying that kids make mistakes so it happens and it would be good to educate them, but you also have to understand there's no way to discern between those who would abuse this system even more. Valve would have no way of knowing who and who and even in their eyes it would still be unfair to some degree because in the end a cheater is a cheater. Also, its in the interest of a parent to make sure they do their due diligence before they trust their kid with anything they would consider important. The way I see it, when you family share a game, you're linking your account to another. There's a few different prompts you gotta go through and imo you kind of can't avoid reading some of the stuff it says, after you read some, you might want to read all of it.
I also don't think sending a cheater a message like "hey we've noticed you're cheating, can you stop" is a good idea. It's like a pat on the back saying "it's cool bro, try a different cheat, maybe the next one works". It's better to let it sit and then ban them in waves like vac does. Give people the comfort that it's undetected so more idiots go to it, and when it gets detected you get 10 000 cry babies that their cheat got their account banned. Pretty sure the vac team is always laughing when this happens.
You do have to see their point as well. They don't have to allow family sharing, they do it because they're nice, because they want users to share games they bought with real money with their family memebers because video games are for entertainment. It seems natural. However, in terms of what's more important to them, sharing games to family members, and doubling the cheating rate, I'm pretty sure they would(and any other business) cut family sharing without thinking twice rather than allow that.
To that extent, when an account that's borrowing a license gets vac banned, the license of course gets the ban, because there's nothing else to ban. It's not like someone can just take their friends xbox/ps4 account cheat on it, get it banned and then give it back to their friend and say "oh no problem man, just message support tell them it was me and not you they'll understand". Think about it that way.
Not like real life analogies apply too well here, but if a kid takes their parent's gun and shoots someone, would you say the parent is at all to blame, or just the kid? If a kid steals their parents money and buys like $5000 of mtx in candy crush, or $10k on amazon, would you say it's only the kids fault?
I don't want you to misunderstand. I only disagree with your suggestions because I know there's no way for valve to discern who is a stupid kid and who is a cheater whos done this 1000 times already. I don't know if you see that part of it. IMO your suggestion isn't necessarily bad, I actually proposed and LMG(linus media group) mentioned something similar too in their podcast that the best solution to prevent cheating is to get some sort of identification(probably double auth to prevent people putting in random numbers). Like a SSN in the US and other countries have their own IDs. Phone numbers obviously don't work since they can be faked extremely easy.
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Have you contacted Steam support and had this conversation with them? Sometimes, if you provide enough evidence that you're speaking the truth, they will "fix" your account, especially if you've had a long and otherwise spotless history.
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Parents are responsible for their children's actions, so if your kid cheated, you both deserve a ban.
Besides, you should teach him not to cheat, and you didn't, so blame yourself, not Valve.
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imo Steam's logic is completely sound when it comes to banning both accounts, otherwise you could just buy it on 1 account and cheat on other one and get away scot free. Nobody will be interested in whether it was you or your clueless son. Hope you taught him afterwards that cheating is a nono
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I've never done it but apparently you can select which games are playable (or the other way around - which are not). Which is what I'm planning to do once my nephews are going to be old enough.
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I'm sorry to what happened to you. I don't think that you should get VAC banned, just your son's account, since he's the one who cheated.
Also, your story made me read about VAC bans and I've discovered that if you gift someone with a VAC protected game, and the person who receives the gift get VAC banned, you, the giver, will not be able to gift this game anymore via Steam. So maybe that's something people should also know.
And again, sorry for what happened and especially for the toxicity of many people here. I understand people being mad about cheaters, but it's my understanding that you did not cheat at all.
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What would be great is when you autorize an account for family sharing, youd have an option to "allow games with VAC ?" or more generally "Allow games with anti-cheat system ?" and why not "allow game with multiplayer ?" this way youd be more confident in sharing (or not) your account
There is a possibility to choose games you want to share, but if i remember well its an absolute hassle to manage, especially when you have a lots of good game, and you have to do everything manually
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Well, that's certainly a call of bad parenting. You should've watched your son better
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sorry but you take full responsibility for anyone you let use you're account. tell them in the future to not cheat on any games with vac. if you're not making your own aim bots, wall hacks, or whatever valve most likely already knows how to detect it anyway. if you notice most sales on these games are rarely below 50% this is because valve knows people who make these things will make a few steam account and buy the game multiple times to test them
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EDIT:
Steam decided to gave me a VAC ban, just because my son cheated in Counter-Strike: Source, that game is in my library I just shared with him.
They help pages says:
"Your Family Sharing privileges may be revoked and your account may also be VAC banned if your library is used by others to cheat. Additionally, VAC-banned games cannot be shared between accounts."
Maybe I understood to revoke my Family Sharing privileges, but WHY gave me a VAC ban? I did NOT cheated in online games ever.
Steam has a fucked up logic in this situation...
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