There's literally no reason other than bad porting for a game to be considered better on consoles than on pc. Literally none. There's nothing wrong with enjoying playing on consoles, but every game on a console would be better (in general and technical terms) on pc. That's just a fact.
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Never owned a console, never going to, just don't see the sense of buying it for a small handful of exclusives.
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Some people just don't have money to keep upgrading a PC only for gaming
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Bundles are good deals, but, being in dollar/euro, the price is prohibitive for some countries, beside the taxes over international transactions (and if you are importing something physical, heavy taxes over importation). For example, $12 for Humble Choice is over $60 in my currency (Brazilian Real), which is a lot.
Though Steam has support for local currency where I live, some deals on Steam sales are also getting the feeling of not being deals at all, because some developers aren't locating their prices for the local reality anymore.
Also, a gamer GPU is very expensive here. A PC for gaming is about twice the price of an Xbox Series X (which costs $4349 here). Beside having a very devaluated currency, Brazil taxes games heavily (over half of the price are taxes). Computer hardware has less taxes, but its actual price is still abusive, considering the minimum wage ($1100) and the inflation rate.
I'm thinking about making a thread about it later to give/ask for some info, since it seems most of this forum users from rich countries don't have the slightest ideia of how difficult is keeping the gaming hobby in some countries.
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I've never said you lived in US. I took a look at your country before writing that. That doesn't change what I said. I know people who have been to New Zealand. There are heavy taxes there, that's what they say; the difference is that they say that in NZ people get the benefits back from high taxes by seeing their government investing in the needs of the country, not like Brazil, engulfed historically and culturally by corruption and terrible financial management.
And excuse me, sir, but New Zealand is a rich country, yes. At least if you compare, for example, to South America and most countries from Eastern Europe (as well as the rest of the so called Third World, of which New Zealand doesn't belong to). But don't take it personally, I'm not taking you as a parameter for comparison, I just meant that what you said is not true for some people from different places around the world. World is vast and diverse.
And no, a minimum wage (wages in general) here is an amount established to be paid monthly, not weekly. I've never seen anyone being paid weekly. $1100 in local currency (around 197 dollars) for month is barely enough for someone to survive. Food, bills and other needs take your money away very fast. And for a person who earns a minimum wage, that's not enough for all that. Government also approved a Constitution amendment that forbids increasing minimum wage for 20 years. It's just corrected yearly a little bit taking inflation to account, but it doesn't minimize the effects of inflation. Beside that, another amendment allowed employers to pay less than a minimum wage in certain conditions, what used to be illegal, but still happened a lot and now it's happening even more.
Excuse me again, sir, but you're the one assuming things here.
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yes but paying 300 -500 for the latest playstation is not cheap either and buying the games at maybe $40+ each is way more than what a lot of even aaa+ games go for in bundles like choices
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Yeah, but a PlayStation doesn't require upgrades... so many people actually consider a console better as a cost-benefit option to play their games. I'd like to have a good PC, but a good PC to really enjoy games adequately is expensive and there's occasional needed maintenance (since electricity grid here is not so stable, so it may break some parts).
Consoles are getting upgrades as well, that's really bad when they start to release games that run poorly in previous versions of their hardware. Microsoft does it too, but it is years ahead of Sony thanks to things like Game Pass and Cloud Gaming.
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you are joking right i went in town the other day and the game store had no switch games under £20 and not much under £30 for x-box or ps5 - i got a load of games for way less than that on Steam and of course the free Epic games - yes i can't run all of them but i can run enough to have more than i ever could afford on console plus how many "upgrades" do you need in terms of when in like a year two they tell you the ps6 is coming out
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I'm not joking, I'm just saying people have different preferences and opinions about cost-benefit. And I even heard people who consider themselves "PC gamers" say they see consoles as a better cost-benefit nowadays, because, as I said in previous posts, hardware here got very expensive and some game deals on PC don't seem so attractive anymore because of the high value of US dollar. Of course, sales and giveaways are still very enjoyable on PC, but not all people have a PC just for gaming. PC gamers, just like some local podcasters here, also use their PC for work and, in order to be able to talk about last releases, they felt the need of buying a console, even if it's from the previous generation (PS4/Xbox One).
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i don't get where you think i'm rich enough for a laptop/desktop for work and then another for play - i have to use the same laptop for work and anything else i do or want to do - but i still 100% would choose pc or rather laptop over console every time - i do have a ps3 but i can't remember the last time i even turned it on
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I've never said you're rich. Again, I'm telling some people's opinions about console and PC gaming cost-benefit and what they are actually doing about it. Not necessarily mine.
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let me ask you this then/ if someone is counting cost why would they buy a machine for just playing games - i bet these people are claming they have no money at the end of the month also do have things like netflix or other subscriptions - smart phones - some sort of pc, etc...
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I don't know what you're trying to prove. You said your laptop is not that powerful, but playing games on it is enough for you, and that's ok. It's valid. Though it may not be the preference of other people.
You're not rich, as you said, and I've never said you were. So will I really have to say the obvious? Ok... let's go: for most people, money is finite, so they can't buy all the options in the world. So they analyze cost-benefit and priorities. Then they choose something to have fun based on what they think they can afford and what they need most daily.
A smartphone is far more useful than a gamer PC or a last generation console. A simple laptop for work is also more useful and more affordable. That's why someone would have a smartphone or a laptop and, even so, they can say they can't afford a gamer PC.
People also have families. So beside the common bills, they have to take into consideration how much their family members earn or don't earn and what they prefer. If they have kids, things are even more limited. So saving money for a gamer PC, which is more expensive than a console where I live, is not so simple. It may be even not possible.
About Netflix, subscriptions, etc., well, it depends. I know a lot of people who think Netflix got very expensive and subscribe it only when they release something they like, so they watch and unsubscribe. But if they have families, they have to take into consideration if family members have more interests on Netflix or other subscriptions. Or if other family members also like games, if they like the same kind of games, if they prefer a console in their living room for everyone, or if it's ok having a gamer PC in the room of only one person. Of course. if there's enough money to afford one of the two options.
But to tell you the truth, where I live, even for hardcore gamers, actually there is not cost-benefit option, so many of them are not buying any gamer PC or last generation console for now. Dollar is very expensive (1 US Dollar = around 5.5 Brazilian Real, the local currency), so local prices change accordingly. PS5/Xbox Series X are just very expensive. Their official price is around 4400 bucks in local currency (= around 727 dollars). Pretty expensive if you consider the minimum wage (that's paid monthly, not weekly) is 1100 bucks (= around 197 dollars). There's no stock for them in the market too.
The official price for PS4 is 2599 bucks (around 473 dollars), which is almost the price of Xbox Series S (official price: 2649 bucks = around 482 dollars). Sony is being very greedy here. Also Nintendo Switch official price is around 2200 bucks (= around 400 dollars - the default version, there is no OLED Switch here yet). On the other hand, a good GPU costs at least 3000 bucks (the oldest ones, the best ones cost over 5000). So a gamer PC can easily cost over 8000 bucks (around 1454 dollars). That's not comparable to the price of a smartphone (around 1100-1500 bucks, an intermediate one) or a Netflix subscription (42 bucks a month). An intermediate laptop, though, costs around 3000-3500 bucks.
As I said above, software is cheaper on PC, but not all the time. Not everyone can buy bundles, since some stores only accept foreign currencies, so people would need an international credit card (not everyone can have one), and there are taxes over international transactions. So a Humble Choice, for example, may look cheap, since it's US$ 15 a month. But here it's over 60 bucks + taxes, which is more expensive than a Netflix subscription, that's already considered expensive for some people. Sales on Steam have very good prices, since Steam accepts local currency. Though, some developers don't locate their prices for the local reality anymore and just convert the US$ 60 (or US$ 70) directly, so prices are the same as on consoles, with US$ 60 = R$ 300 and US$ 70 = R$ 400 on Steam. So on sales, their deals don't seem deals at all, as you can see here.
Of course, last generation consoles and GPUs face a difficult scenario even in the rich countries, I know. And yeah, Square-Enix abuses their fans in all the world, I know that too. But what I'm trying to say is that reality is not the same for every country. Even for different places of a same country, it's different. So maybe a gamer PC is more affordable than a last generation console in a certain place. I'm just telling you that in some places it may not be the case.
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sorry you didn't get my point at all - if you or someone has that little in money why would they spend 300 - 400 on a console to then need to pay 20-30+ per game then? if you have strapped cash limits then you don't need to be wasting it on the latest aaa games then do you (and by you i mean anyone not you in particular)
edit: even if you can't buy bundles their are plenty of free games on Steam and what about Epic?
also one last thing you mention bills and guess what here in the UK we also pay bills and plenty of tax i get just under £1300 a month and for electric alone for one month was about £300 - so not cheep - if they need to cut cost why buy a console to then pay high prices for your games (for example i paid £15 on ebay few years back for a new ps3 007 game - that get's me 2 month choices with change or plenty dollar deals - and in store it was even worse 322 for a used copy)
i will never get a console again - unless you count Steam Deck but will need to save up and wait for reviews first (i do have an old ds lite use but only buy games when i can in charity shops for around £1 -£2 each)
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As I said, people are different. People have different preferences. People have different personalities. Some people are casual players. Other people are hardcore. Some people are happy in getting cheap games that make them happy some minutes a day. Other people want to play the most recent AAA for hours.
I consider myself casual. I know nothing about the last releases. But you can't blame who wants to play better, harder, newer things. Everyone has the right of having a satisfactory fun for their taste. Life is not just about eating, health and having a place to live. It's not as simple as "I can't afford, so I won't ever have and I should be happy". People have aspirations.
But, in the end, it seems we want to say the same thing: people have cash limits, so they have to make choices. I'd just like to know people's experiences with console ports that are more enjoyable than PC ports in the first place. That's why I created this thread.
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i am not saying that at all but when you say people have to spend $$$$ on bills and the like paying $40-60 per game on ps5 or switch is not the smart thing to do - i as well like more causal gaming as well
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also aspiration is one thing but wasting money is another - i might have aspiration to own my own helicopter but i know it's well out of my budget - it's called budgeting for a reason
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It's a matter of hardware. Games on PC are indisputably cheaper. But console hardware is less expensive in some places than building a PC to play some games people want to play that don't run on common PCs.
Yeah, wasting money is sometimes subjective. Some people are starting to give up PC gaming because of hardware price to play some games. They still play on PC, but not the games that require a powerful hardware. While some other people are completely giving up playing new releases, it doesn't matter the platform.
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maybe less relevant now with the steam deck and handheld PCs
but 3DS and PSP was my choice over PC mainly for JRPG and Platformers
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Steam Deck is available for purchase only for US, Canada, UK and European Union. Even if it was available for the rest of the world, extremely expensive for those who live in poor countries that don't use the currencies of the mentioned countries
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yeah but it still cost as much as a console, and less than a GPU :(
im not saying its the best option, but there will be more like it soon and hopfully cheaper options
PC ports are always better even if its broken the community will patch and mod it somehow
but some games are better if you can play in handheld, be it steam Deck or Nintendo Switch.
i just wish we can have steam deck lite.
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Well, we don't know how well Steam Deck will work yet. People have high expectations, including me, but it may be a big fail that's not even near what we think it would make possible. It can't be helped, we can just wait...
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the expectations are high because we see similar products like GPD and Ayaneo so we know it will be good but cheaper
because Steam can mass produce and with the support for SteamOS more options will be available
just dont expect you can play Cyberpunk 4K
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I hope it supports at least nearly almost all games of Steam store, if it's possible. That's my main concern, alongside, of course, the compatibility with game mods, the main charm of PC gaming for me.
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I gotta say, as I play mostly shooters and fast action games, I really don't like consoles. Not because they are bad, just because I cannot get the hang of fast aiming with controllers. So to me, consoles are ''bad'' because of that reason.
However, I've had fun with consoles in ways I simply cannot have while on PC, and it's not because of a specific game (sometimes even in spite of the game), it is simply that consoles lend themselves much more easily to social gaming - the bit in front of the screen.
Sitting leaned back in the sofa - playing whatever - with a group of friends. Laughing, joking around, you know, being the retards men usually are when in group.
That really doesn't happen on PC for me as much, as I prefer it solo, leaned into the screen, senses on high. I like that too, but the two are different.
So for me it's solo gaming on PC with games I enjoy, and socialized gaming on console with friends I enjoy - if this makes any sense to anyone but me.
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Unfortunately people are not telling what games they think have better ports on consoles, which should be the point of the thread. Is it my fault? Is the thread badly named/explained? Should I make another thread?
Edit: I just edited the title.
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that's because most people unless it was super cheep games would own it on both a console and pc that is why people are not giving you much in the way of game names
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Diablo 1 - has more sprites and additional animations (for example water in Tristram), local coop with gamepads. Diablo 3 - again local coop with gamepads. Borderlands, Resident Evil 5 the same story, probably there are a lot more (I know that there are workarounds but not always for every title with cut out local coop in the PC version and it's always a hassle). Most beating games have more content (for example exclusive characters, maps) and better netcode/multiplayer on consoles like Mortal Komat, Street Fighter, etc. Command and Conquer series games had more content also, more missions, maps, even whole expansion packs. Some jRPGs are worse also on PC, for example FF8 with worse music and FMVs in the PC version. That's just a few coming to my mind instantly, I'm sure there are a lot more examples.
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Is Diablo franchise so more enjoyable with a controller in your hand, even being a franchise born on PC? What do you say about the new Diablo II remake? Have you played?
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It depends, Battle.net is nice and best for power hungry players. When it comes to pure fun from gameplay I still prefer couch coop with my wife or a friend. I bought D2R in preorder, played the beta, then some after premiere but left it for now. It needs patches, ladder, some more time and work. It's good though, at least for an old fart like me. I will surely come back to it in a year or so.
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Well, it's really surprising for me to know that Diablo can be played without keyboard/mouse and not losing any part of the playing experience. A lot of franchises born on PC have never managed to have the same experience of PC on consoles because of the different controls. That's the kind of thing I created this thread for.
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Bad ports are sadly really common :( It does feel like the last 5 or so years have been better than previous years in terms of port quality, but during the 360 era and prior console ports were routinely pretty crap. Take the Prototype series for an example, wonky controls, poor optimization and general bugginess on PC makes the console versions far superior. Saints Row 2 had its in-game speed tied to your processors clock speed at launch, though I think they fixed that around the time the game got released on GOG, but the game ran far too fast on PC before that. Hardly a new phenomena though, big games would regularly get lackluster ports on PC back in the days as well, take MegaMan X for an example, its old port had major input lag and the music was kind of borked (I would not consider the first two Mega Man games on PC to be ports, they're completely different games. They are bad though). Speaking of old console ports, the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles game that was released on NES got a godawful PC port, and depending on region it might not even be beatable, with the US release forcing you to do an impossible jump (the European version is beatable though, but it's not a port worth beating)
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For multiplatform games, many os us are always inclined to think that playing on a PC is better. We have a huge modding potential, bug fixes made by community, usage of keyboard and mouse and PC hardware upgrade possibilities, beside the fact that games are mostly programmed and tested in PCs. Some franchises were even born on PC, so why would the console port be better?
However, there is a lot of reasons that can make playing the same game in a console in a more enjoyable way than on a PC, like bad PC porting, crucial bug/glitches unfixed, bad controls, bad optimization in general, Denuvo, old port, worse translation, lack of content, incredibly high requirements to play on PC in a scenario where hardware like GPUs are incredibly expensive for an upgrade (and Steam Deck is not available for your country), possibility of using a keyboard/mouse on the console, or simply because the online platform of the console is more comfortable for you.
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