Who Will/Would you vote for? Us and none Us sg users.
US Citizen and would not vote for Trump or Clinton.
I wrote in Bernie Sanders name. Was debating on that or Jill Stein since neither were on my ballot but went Sanders because I much preferred his stances and neither would win anyways and most I can hope for would be to poach electoral votes and send it to convention if enough do the same.
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There is no convention in the general election. If no candidate gets 270 electoral votes, congress votes among the top 3 electoral vote winners.
Saying nothing about policy (I'll stay out of that), if you support Bernie Sanders specifically and Green Party issues in general, it would have made more sense to vote for Stein (based on the presumption there is no way you would vote for Clinton):
- 5% threshold for federal matching funds
- I don't know where you early voted, but in many states in order for a write in to count, that write in candidate must register in advance
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Jill stein is an anti vaxxor and against nuclear energy, so it is not in liberals best interest to vote for her.
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I was avoiding discussing policy :)
One can disagree with a candidate and still support said candidate's party's ideals
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The Candidate is kinda the party though.
The party's platform is her, and she's a conspiracy theorist.
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Avoiding policy... during an election in an election discussion?
Who says Democracy doesn't work :)
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why should this discussion be any different than the campaign? :)
I just didn't think it made sense in a steamgifts forum where many are offended by opinion to go down that road
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Well that first line was quite the burn, well done :P
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I don't think vaccines and nuclear energy is something conservatives are against...I kind of assumed LIBERALS hated those things, so maybe we're just lumping in things that fall under "unbelievably stupid" with people we don't like.
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Liberals are for vaccines, and generally for non fossil fuel energy.
Mandating vaccinations by the state is a liberal position to take, conservatives want less government, so some are against forcing vaccination, such as libertarians.
However, Jill stein is not one of those conservatives, she's against vaccines because she believes they cause autism.
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I have autism. From my perspective, the antivaxxers pretty much are saying I shouldn't exist. Antivaxxers are the real disease. "Let's needlessly murder babies to SOLVED diseases because we hate autism...which is like being mentally retarded(I'm using the term as an actual term and not as a general derogatory term so don't give me a paragraph on why it's wrong, please, all you people have done is made autistic the new retard), right? Einstein, for example, he was supposed to be autistic, and that's why he was stupid and I disproved his theories again. All hail our lizard people overlords."
"generally for non fossil fuel energy."
From my experience they all just lump in nuclear reactors with nuclear BOMBS and demonize the crap out of the former MORE than the latter. What's their brilliant alternative? SOLAR AND WIND ENERGY. Nuclear energy: The densest form of energy we can realistically harness right now with little to no direct emissions, and with modern technology, you can shut down a reactor in seconds with one button(disasters like Japan's meltdowns are caused by very, very poor placement, and under-preparedness). Solar/wind energy: Requires massive amounts of land and perfect weather conditions. The OBVIOUS choice. Why use modern resources and technology when we can use giant pinwheels to power civilization?
Oh, and coming from someone who considers himself conservative, I don't want less government so much as more economic/personal freedom and less surveillance. Do you think our nation's founders, the ones who made the bill of rights and constitution, the ones who gave up their own power to protect a free nation, would've said yes to having records of every single person's readings, questions, communications, and personal thoughts? What has changed that made that okay? Terror? The Internet? There will always be another threat to use as an excuse to increase surveillance, and there will always be new ways of communicating to ban or watch. Coffee shops were banned in Britain at one point because a monarch believed his enemies conspired in them.
Anyways, I guess we'll have to see what happens tomorrow.
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Being against forcing vaccination, the same way one can be against forcing seatbelts and helmets, is one thing. Being against forcing vaccination because you read on Facebook that they cause autism is a different one.
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That is what I meant, sorry if I phrased it wrong.
Just forcing it to congress would be a huge issue for the parties and the public as the public would be much more willing to vote 3rd parties knowing that it could have that impact and allow for 3rd parties to actually have a chance to raise while the big 2 would take that as a signal to change or risk a new party poaching their voters and raising to challenge them.
As far as voting between Clinton and Trump, I would stay home or vote Gary Busey before I voted between them 2.
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understood, there is always the option to not vote for the top line on your ballot, but still vote for Senate/Governor/Congress/other local races
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Yep, hard enough where I live either way. I live in North Carolina and our districts are gerrymandered to no end and I think we have been ranked on of the most gerrymandered in the nation.
With 13 seats. With a 50/50 split in the popular vote, our seats were split 3 to 10 in favor of the republicans. One of the previous votes the popular vote was split 55/45 in favor of the Democrats and the seats still went 4 to 9 in favor of the republicans.
The democrats would need about 75-80% of the vote if they wanted about 50% of seats if I had to guess.
We are a state that is red on paper while purple on popular vote due to all the voters who just gave up or never tried to begin with and firmly blue by will of the people, not sure how many would be green.
The actual makeup of the people is also why you see the stuff where those running it end up trying to disenfranchise voters with ID laws and such. Hoping to fix the gerrymandering this time around if we can actually get judges whom will be willing to throw it out, but I doubt it and will continue having 1 Republican vote having as much weight at 4 Democrats. It is pulling the entire state and the nation with it on both parties further to the right against the collective will of the people in it.
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You're entitled to your own opinion like anyone and here's mine:
I'd vote for Trump because of the policies he says make sense and because he isn't a proven establishment globalist criminal like Hillary.
Bernie is a socialist (yes like the ussr, nazis, china under mao, spain under franco, cuba-please read history and how totalitarian socialism is, it is literally pure slavery) and after Hillary cheated him out of his votes; Bernie went full cuck and supported her (you really support him?). Supporting Bernie is supporting Hillary. Supporting Hillary is voting for more years of Obama who since he got into office DOUBLED the USA's national debt to almost $20 trillion. Let that sink in.
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You are correct in that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But no one is entitled to their own facts.
You will vote for Trump because of how you view his policies, that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
You also say he isn't proven to be as establishment as Clinton which is pretty well a fact.
Then you claim Bernie is a socialist which is by definition wrong. And is about like calling Trump a nazi sympathizer and about just as wrong.
You call Socialism slavery which is by definition wrong and in practice has proven as much. You kept mentioning authoritarian regimes which are known to be bad on average, whether they claim to be socialist or otherwise is beside the point.
As far as Sanders supporting Clinton, he said when he first announced his run that he would support the winner, even if it wasn't him. He is keeping his word. Also, the only reason why he would at this point after all that has happened is most likely because she is much better than Trump policy wise and as bad as she is, she is still better than Trump in that regard and he managed to get concessions from her which the leaks have proven she effectively lied to him on them.
And no, supporting Bernie is not supporting Clinton. Supporting Bernie is supporting Bernie and actively TAKING votes from Hillary doing so. Most people try to call it supporting Trump by proxy and both are wrong.
Also, while the debt increased under Obama, that isn't Obama's fault. That was Bushes fault. Under Bush the national deficit exploded and drove up this debt, he even raided some cash from Social Security to help cover the expenses. Under Obama, he has cut the deficit in half and slowed the increase in the national debt. You are literally blaming him for not cleaning up Bushes mess fast enough even with many in office who attempted to block him at every turn.
And do not take this as me supporting Obama as I have my own issues with him based on stuff he has ACTUALLY DONE. You just chose the one example that wasn't his fault. Also, FYI, the polls overall show that most would actually prefer another Obama term than Wingus and Dingus we have running now.
For me, I refuse to vote for Trump based on his policies.
His Tax plan is nothing but massive handouts to the rich and minor handouts to the middle class that is estimated to add another 1 trillion to the national debt on top of what we are already paying.
He plans to cut the corporate tax rate claiming it would create job and anyone who knows about the corporate tax rates knows that is a lie and they are unrelated. Cutting corporate taxes in the hopes of creating jobs is about like draining the oil in you car in the hopes of creating gas with many examples proving just that.
His view on wages, I really can't say. In 2015 he was talking about cutting minimum wage saying Americans made too much, earlier this year he was saying he would leave it the same and now I hear he is talking about raising it.
His Wall idea is nothing but a huge cost sink estimated to cost about 25 billion to construct while costing millions every year in maintenance for virtually no impact as we have more Mexicans leaving the nation than entering and have for years now, the majority of illegals here didn't cross the boarder they came in on legal visas and just never left after they expired which the wall would not stop and they have tunnels found all the time under the boarder, some going miles into the US before surfacing paid for by the US War on Drugs that allows them to bypass the walls anyways along with the fact the boarder is too long to patrol reliably.
Then comes his plans to repeal Obamacare with nothing to replace it with some talks about expanding medicare which funny enough was one of the main things in Obamacare that states have been blocking so he is talking about repealing Obamacare and replacing it with Obamacare.
Then we have talking about defaulting on our national debt and trying to renegotiate it down at a lower rate because he doesn't understand that our national debt as the worlds reserve currency doesn't work like his freeloading butt did with his own debt where he declared bankruptcy multiple times using limited liability laws to shield his own personal assets while the people who owes takes a loss and that if he did that with our debt he risks a global recession and destroying the value of the US dollar in the process ruining much of our economy for decades to come if we recovered.
Then we have him actually asking why we can't just nuke people when in a meeting preparing for possibly becoming president because he has no concept of blow back.
Then we have him talking about going back to torturing innocents even if it didn't work trying to get information.
Then it comes down to how easily manipulated he is. With how easy he is to play and provoke, he will be a joke to the rest of the world.
His plans fall apart when you look at them critically.
He is a poor politician, an even worse business man who is actually worth less than if he never worked a day in his life and a con man who's only skill has been talking big which worked great in the time before the internet but is more quickly falling apart as it takes off and he is putting himself in the light opening him up to more scrutiny.
You may vote for him and I really don't blame you when the other side is Clinton. But there is a reason the ONLY presidential candidate in US history with a lower approval rating than Clinton is Trump. They actually legitimize each other. The only reason Trump is seen as viable is because his opponent is Clinton and the only reason Clinton is seen as viable is because her opponent is Trump. And according to the leaks, the Clintons actually worked with the media to pump him up and try to get him elected in the primary because he would be among the easiest to beat and would pull the GOP laughably to the right due to him.
Let that sink in.
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and he managed to get concessions from her which the leaks have proven she effectively lied to him on them.
Receipts, please.
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Wow, it's rare to find someone so well informed on this! Have a <3
By the way, how did you learn all this? It almost feels like we watch the same YT channels :)
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Can't work so I read.
And the information on his policies I had from a site that posted what his actual plans were, tax brackets and all. Then I just read up on the actual policies plus what I already knew about some of their affects.
Do watch the YT stuff some too, they seemed like the only ones covering the leaked emails almost.
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So, are you a troll, or a genuine example of those brainwashed "muricans" I've heard about?
Cause, y'know, Bernie is center-right at best by rest-of-the-world standards, your idea of socialism seems to come from 1950s propaganda films, and I'm scared to ask you for examples of Trump "policies" that make sense.
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A vote for Bernie is a vote for Clinton. What a cuck.
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No, Vote for Bernie is a vote for Bernie.
A vote for Bernie is actually a vote against Hillary when it comes to the votes as they don't count towards her totals either.
Most people I have seen try to claim that a vote for Sanders is a vote for Trump as well. Both of those are wrong because it is a vote against them both.
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May I suggest a couple of podcasts episodes to listen to before you vote? :-)
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Trust me, I have no love for Clinton and have been following the leaks. Not saying I support her either.
I support her about as much as I support testicular cancer. But not supporting one means I support the other.
From the leaks she should be facing charges as they have her violating campaign finance laws outright on them.
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You mentioned you support Bernie Sanders but are opposed to Hillary Clinton. I think it is worth mentioning that they voted the same 93% of the time. In this context, Clinton described herself as "a progressive who likes to get things done.". Do you think the issue is that her pragmatism and realist stance has betrayed the ideals that Sanders upheld? As both of them identify as progressive, I'm curious if you think you absolutely cannot support Clinton due to these perceived differences in ideology, or if the issue is something else. If your impression is that Clinton is not trustworthy or disagreeable for some other reason, may I offer this extensively researched and well composed piece for your consideration? (Albeit written in June, but still relevant).
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I understand their voting records align a lot, but their many of their things are greatly different.
Sanders was for getting money out of politics, Clinton was for getting DARK money out of politics. That is a huge distinction and a deal breaker. If you aren't getting money out of politics, you aren't trying to fix anything long term as many issues have moneyed interests to keep it that way.
She claims to be against the TPP in public while championing it in the past and basically being in support of it in private. The TPP is a huge deal breaker. Regardless of how much good her or Obama theorize it could do, its Tribunals where companies can sue nations in unelected tribunals removes all good it could do even with the most optimistic projections of which the projections I have seen have been anything but optimistic.
Then it comes to her view on minimum wage which, while better than Trump, is far from ideal and isn't even pragmatic at this point it is at best a half measure when a full measure is needed.
Then when it comes to actually fixing our healthcare, she considered it unrealistic.
Overall, it seems like Sanders was actually trying to fix things while Clinton was trying to maintain what was here and do minor changes if anything.
Then we have the leaks where it has shown her working with the DNC and the media to shut down Sanders actively, breaking Campaign finance laws, then her views towards the banks with their speeches where she is talking about dealing with them with kid gloves for their problem they caused with the crisis and tells them it isn't their fault and all that stuff.
And when it comes to Trustworthiness her own leaks have proven how far that goes when her private positions on many things appear to be different from what her public positions are. I am not saying she is worse than Trump as she is objectively not. I am saying that she is still not anyone worth voting for.
I would prefer a candidate who is on the right side of the issues even when it isn't convenient. I want someone who will actually try and get the stuff done instead of coming into it with an already half compromised position and compromising that even more. I want someone with a record of practicing what they preach.
If you aren't for a living wage, you aren't for fixing our economy, our employment or our wealthgap.
If you aren't for a single payer healthcare system or some equivalent, you aren't for fixing our healthcare costs or issues.
If you aren't for breaking up and regulating the big banks, than you aren't for fixing the banking systems.
And if you aren't for getting all money out of politics, you aren't for fixing anything long term.
She claimed to be against the TPP and breaking up the banks while at the same time going for a VP who endorsed the TPP and deregulating the banks literally the week before while her platform committee tried to fight Sanders members making sure the language in the platform did not go against them either.
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I really think you should listen to both podcast episodes I linked. And just to be clear, although they primarily deal with Clinton issues and shortcomings, I didn't post them to convince you to vote Trump. Quite the opposite.
BTW, would it be correct for me to assume that you don't live in a swing state and can therefore "afford" to have this moral stance?
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Sanders was for getting money out of politics, Clinton was for getting DARK money out of politics. That is a huge distinction and a deal breaker. If you aren't getting money out of politics, you aren't trying to fix anything long term as many issues have moneyed interests to keep it that way.
Clinton is for repealing Citizen's United; in fact, it is her litmus test for selecting Supreme Court Justices.
Then it comes to her view on minimum wage which, while better than Trump, is far from ideal and isn't even pragmatic at this point it is at best a half measure when a full measure is needed.
Are you for real? Even the $12 is unthinkably high for the US, much less the $15 that Sanders was proposing, according to analyses: "The federal minimum wage, now $7.25, hasn’t been raised since 2009. Clinton favors a $12 minimum wage, which seems unlikely. But a hike to $9 or so might be plausible, especially if the economy continues to strengthen, limiting the pain businesses would feel if they have to pay it."
Then when it comes to actually fixing our healthcare, she considered it unrealistic.
Perhaps it's because she has first-hand experience with it, from when she tried to pass universal health care as First Lady and got summarily shot down.
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Your minimum wage is ridiculously low. Ours in Ontario, Canada is now $11.40 CND. They've been raising it slowly for years. Thing is, even THAT isn't enough to get by, especially with the majority of any new jobs created being part time.
Yes, as of this very moment, that's only $8.56 USD. But, a few years ago, when our dollar was only a few cents below yours, minimum wage was STILL $11.25. Hell, even the liquor server minimum wage is higher ($9.90CND).
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I'm not from the US. By my standards, the minimum wage is unconscionably low there; I'm just saying that, according to pundits, raising it to $12 is a long shot, and $9 seems far more likely.
With that in mind, Fugus's claim that Clinton was "impractical" for not promising $15 is nothing short of mind-boggling.
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Mods -- delete OP's thread before this gets out of hand. This can be easily avoided.
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Jill Stein and Gary Johnson are practically third party.
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They are, but he said "other third party candidate" :)
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Local is where you vote actually matters, you should at least do that.
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^ This, absolutely. Research & vote local candidates & measures. Regardless of whichever terrible figurehead we get for the next four years, (some of) these will have the most affect on our day-to-day lives.
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+1 I'm not a US citizen and of course I don't completely follow the politics but I still believe that voting is something that everyone should do as it still has an impact on their future as well as the future of others. If everyone who had this thought actually voted then they would not be "pointless". It is pointless not to vote if you ask me.
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I thought of that too but if OP wants actual results it'd be in his best interest to not make Potato an option since it'd probably get ~50% of the votes haha
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There are actually multiple "potato" options in this poll...
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Let's be honest here. Vote for whoever you do, you're making the wrong choice in the end. Even the third party candidates are awful. They just look good next to the two main clowns.
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non-US citizens aren't permitted to vote
With the shit voting system in place, literally adjusted to rig easier, you don't even have to be.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States
- Strict photo ID required in effect: Georgia, Indiana, Kansas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Virginia, and Wisconsin.[10]
- Strict non-photo ID required in effect: Arizona, North Dakota and Ohio.
- Non-Strict photo ID required in effect: Alabama, Florida, Hawaii, Idaho, Louisiana, Michigan, Rhode Island, South Dakota and Texas.
- Non-Strict non-photo ID required in effect: Alaska, Arkansas, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Utah, and Washington.
- No ID required to vote at ballot box: California, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Vermont, West Virginia, Wyoming, and Washington, D.C.
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your implications are bullshit.
With what i've seen and read, certainly not. Also taking studies on voting fraud seriously - good one ...
how does your voting system compare?
Insignificant enough that people would probably not care to rig it and wouldn't know if it were (that was at least until recently). The last federal president election will be repeated due to "grave" misconduct in counting/keeping watch over the mail/votes in addition to votes by mail having tipped the 50/50 scale and would have decided the outcome.
A valid and "strict" photo ID - passport, drivers license, ... is required to vote.
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No poll option for Vermin Supreme?
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This election further convinces me my vote doesn't matter.
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go vote, apart from the election there are a lot of more propositions that you are going to vote for, ones that affect the place you live directly.
go to google, type MY BALLOT, put in your address and you'll be able to see what you are going to vote for apart from president.
change comes from the people, if you dont vote, then you dont get to complain.
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I wasn't talking about local, I know that matter and it's the only reason I'm even going to the poll tomorrow. Still even for state, it fells like I have no choice, there's literally one person on the ballot for congress, wonder who'll win that seat.
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Unfortunately the US election system means that in many states the result is pretty much predetermined. But if you live in a state where there's even a slight doubt about the winner, go out and vote. You may regret not doing so.
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I have to take back my opinion that my vote doesn't matter. VA cloud vote red or blue and my county is the deciding factor.
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i would vote for Adolf Hitler.... what that is not hitler?
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Already voted third party. Forget these terrible choices the main parties are giving us
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I was one day late in registering... so not voting unfortunately.
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If only you had some sort of heads up and/or constant reminders...
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I'm actually stupidly ashamed about this. I had just gotten back from a year overseas mid September and was feeling super depressed for the next few weeks. I went to go do the paperwork the day after the cut off and was embarrassed.
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Well hey, at least you're registered now right? There are plenty of off-year election cycles to vote in before the next presidential race. Congressional elections, both state and federal, are very key. They often feature people who will eventually run for president someday.
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I mean, we have Clinton and Trump. One's a snake, the other is an idiot.
Neither's fit for office.
Then the third parties have the mains of Johnson and Stein. One doesn't give a crap and just looks disinterested in it all, the other doesn't know how to economy and how to logic. So, again, an idiot and a snake.
Again, neither's fit for office.
I love how the main candidates are so incompetent and awful, that they made the third party dumbasses look good.
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Let's check our options:
Gary "I don't know anything" Johnson
Jill "everything I know is wrong" Stein
Hillary "can't be trusted" Clinton
Donald "bigot, liar, cheat, ignoramus' Trump
I'm gonna vote for RON Re-Open Nominations
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just kidding. gonna vote against Trump, who is the worst candidate the world has seen since 1932 Germany
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It's sad when there's no one to vote FOR, but only candidates to vote against
It seems the main argument for both sides is "the other one is worse".
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I'm gonna take just about anyone over Hitler reincarnated
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Hitler reincarnated? An idiot like him?
You're delusional.
Hillary is gonna launch World War 3, just you watch.
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This is only a partial list. There are far more similarities than these, such as his threats to attack his opponents, asking his supporters to "monitor" the polls, attacks on the media, and more.
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Would vote for Trump - (sadly or not) he won't be able to do jack in his term ... unlike Satan&Co.
"AI system that correctly predicted last 3 US elections says Donald Trump will win."
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Just glad I don't have to be the one making the choice :D.
Best of luck to the Americans.
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Not a US citizen but i'd vote for Joe Exotic , Best candidate ever
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Not a US citizen, would still vote A Troubled Man for Troubled Times
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Would vote Clinton. She's eminently qualified, she's sharp, and I believe she actually gives a crap. (Excerpt from her private communications: "What a sad commentary about our values today. I sound more curmudgeonly everyday but it is hard to see the clock being turned back on so much that matters, especially poor kids. Oh well, I can only hope the tide turns soon.")
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Even if you refuse to google Hillary's corruption issues, you'll remember that she promised to institute a no-fly zone in Aleppo. What that entails is destroying Russian anti-aircraft equipment, directly starting a war with them. And if you aren't afraid of a war with Russia, wait till China backs them up.
If you are aged 18-36 living in America when this happens, don't be surprised when you or your friends start getting drafted to fight two superpowers in a war that will be far worse, and will somehow have even less of a point than the wars we're fighting now.
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If you actually think that the U.S. and Russia will go to war over fucking syria, you're very much mistaken.
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She already has said multiple times that she wants it. It wouldn't be war over syria, it'll be war against imperialism. The whole world already hates us for trying to be the world police so they would have the moral ground if they wanted to push back.
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that she wants war with russia? I don't think so. Just as I don't think Russia wants war with the U.S.
More importantly, the U.S. cannot unilaterally declare a no-fly zone over Syria. It'd have to go through the security counsel in the U.N. That would require negotiating with Russia to ensure they don't veto it.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4aIIpCDsLU
This guy is pretty insufferable but I couldn't find the clip by itself.
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Well from the little bits I gather from the news, it sure does seem that there's bound to be a 3rd War War and USA will be a part of it. Whether it'll be with Russia, China or the European Union, doesn't matter. Not in a year, not in a five years, but one day in the not-so-distant future.
USA has always profitted from the military industry, after all.
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there's always bound to be another war, but at the very least it won't be between Russia and the U.S. They're reliving the cold war -> try to push as much as possible, without actually going to war with each other.
In that respect, Russia is currently winning. Clinton's implying she'll push back as much as she can. But neither country will go to war with the other.
Ukraine is a great example. The U.S. didn't declare war with Russia. Had they been more aggressive, perhaps Russia wouldn't have assimilated Crimea. But in the end, Russia would still support "their" ukranians with money, weapons, and more. Had the U.S. been more aggressive, they'd have supported their ukranians the same way. But neither country would enter the war directly.
well, at least not with sane people in charge. but if a madman were ever in charge of either country, who knows
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True. Clinton even said she wouldn't implement a no-fly zone in Syria without Russia's consent.
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Rational people would not start a war between Russia and the U.S.
Whether you like their personality, or not, think they're devious, or not, both Clinton and Putin are rational.
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They don't typically make those decisions alone. Unless you remember how many countries in the middle east we've already invaded without congressional approval because they aren't "technically" wars.
Hillary is bought and paid for, all it will take is for one of the puppetmasters to decide another conflict will be profitable for them and she won't say no.
I'm not saying that this is definitely what will happen like this, but if she goes through with her threats, we are literally at war with Russia.
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It's okay, I have no friends, and I see war with China as inevitable anyways.
The way I see it, China's going to do some expansionist stuff in Asia at some point, the rest of the world is going to get irritated, and while everyone's busy doing diplomacy or intervening against China(Because I don't believe Russia could pull off any large-scale aggression unless the rest of the world is busy or asleep), Russia will make some moves in Europe or the Middle East...
Will that happen? Eh, it could, could not. I'm no expert. There are plenty of scenarios I could make up way more likely than "Hillary takes out a few AA guns(after actually keeping a campaign promise) and Russia decides it's time for Red Alert but without the time travel part".
Oh, and Donald Trump would just order the US military to attack whatever cities didn't vote for him, putting us in a CIVIL WAR with the 3 people who actually listen to him.
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"The way I see it, China's going to do some expansionist stuff in Asia at some point, the rest of the world is going to get irritated, and while everyone's busy doing diplomacy or intervening against China(Because I don't believe Russia could pull off any large-scale aggression unless the rest of the world is busy or asleep), Russia will make some moves in Europe or the Middle East..."
All of that has already happened.
And Trump being a loose cannon warmonger is a media narrative, he's been anti-war for decades if you check his record.
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He voiced support for the war in Iraq on Howard Stern and he voiced support for the intervention in Libya on his video blog.
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Fuck me, you're right. Still I'm more concerned with her determination to start shit with Russia instead of trying to ease tension.
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I don't think she wants to "start shit with Russia" -- she said she would only implement the no-fly zone in Syria with Russia's consent. She said she will be "tough on Russia," but that probably just means she won't let them run roughshod over another neighboring country.
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well, let's be honest. There's a pretty good chance she will. But it won't be as blatant. (think Georgia)
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"she won't let them run roughshod over another neighboring country."
Yeah...I really doubt she cares that much about...any country Russia borders it poses a realistic threat to.
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I just watched this documentary:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-choice-2016/
It gives good insight into Hillary and Trump, who they are, their political agendas, and how they got to where they are now.
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