Do you think it's worth it?
yes i agree. the coupon is trash. they should improve services and features instead of giving coupons. no one convinces me to buy from their bad shop
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Played Remnant from the Ashes, the Outer Worlds, Far Cry 5 & New Dawn (60+h each) and never had a problem.
I don't understand the hate. I got some games cheaper and some free. In the end it's just another online shop :)
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simply they just want to compete with steam but steam always remains better
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What's wrong with competition?
When Steam was in its early stages it was also pretty barebones, same as epic is now.
It took Steam many years to become this good.
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Epic is not competing with Steam in it's early stages, but it's competing now.
Steam back then was bare bones, but there were also not many standards as there where not many launchers back then.
Would you expect a new car company to release their first car with the standards of cars from the early stages of the other companies?
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EGS make money only thanks to Fortnite and the Unreal Engine. if it wasn't for this it would have already failed
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so whats the point then? all products go free? no one has the right to own anything?
whats with CSGO and soooo many other games that are ONLY AVAILABLE on STEAM
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It all depends on the point of view, I guess. You are right, that Epic is far behind when it comes to convenience of use but regarding other aspects Epic might just be setting new standards itself. For example, they offer a fairer cut for developers which Steam was and is still reluctant to do. Only when Epic appeared as a competitor Steam made their cuts a little bit fairer.
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People didn't use Steam back then either. At least Steam solved a lot of DRM issues back then when the likes of Securom and StarForce were wrecking systems persisting even after being uninstalled. Once Steam became more mainstream, those DRM faded away. While it wasn't all Steam, it certainly helped them out on their way.
And Epic isn't for competition. Competition would imply having the products on both Steam and Epic storefronts and letting the consumers decide which one they prefer. Epic is anti-competitive in the sense they throw their money to stop Steam from being competitive. And in case you are wondering, I hold consoles to the same standard. They have been pretty anti-competitive as well.
Finally, when Steam started, it was a small business with limited funds. Epic has been massive for a while, and a multi-billion-dollar company should not be lacking simple features on its storefront. Their whole strategy has been to be anti-competitive rather than improve their own storefront so people want to use it. If they had a better product, I would personally love to use it and recommend it to my friends, but at this stage, they are way off that mark.
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And Epic isn't for competition. Competition would imply having the products on both Steam and Epic storefronts and letting the consumers decide which one they prefer.
No, that's just not true. Not sure why people keep repeating it over and over. They are both selling games. They are competitors, and they are competing with each other. The fact that some games are exclusive to either Steam or Epic doesn't change that one bit.
BMW and Volvo are also competitors, even though they don't produce the exact same products. It's just nonsense to not call that competition.
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Agreed. Local gyros place and pizzeria are also competitors, because I'll only eat at one of the places for tomorrow's lunch, only one of them will get my money for the food they offer, because I don't need two.
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See the reply below to KillingArts.
In short, a pizza is a commodity. Sure different Pizza tastes different, but it's similar enough that you can usually substitute one with another. Games are too different. You can't just substitute Call of Duty with Battlefield saying that they are both FPS and similar enough that it shouldn't matter.
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But he didn't say pizza and different pizza, he said pizza and gyros.
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When I say it's not competition, I don't mean it in a textbook sense. Yes, in the strictest sense possible, they are competing against each other. Not just for the gamers, but for the devs as well.
But for a standard person, they can often buy one brand car over another and it's similar enough function-wise. But games are different. Each game is unique. I can't say that I want to buy For the King, but if it's only on one storefront (It's on both), I can just buy a different game instead. Games are way less interchangeable than cars.
In this case, Epic literally paid devs/publishers in money or incentives to not sell on Steam. They are paying so they do not have to compete because if they give gamers the option of having the game on both storefronts, they will pick the one with more featureset, which in this case is Steam.
The reason you see people keep saying this over and over is that you are looking at the textbook definition, while they are talking about it in a real-world sense. Technically you are correct, but when it comes time for a gamer to buy the product, it's irrelevant because Epic is spending money to remove the competition.
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Yes, in the strictest sense possible, they are competing against each other.
I disagree. They are competing against each other in the normal sense of the word.
But for a standard person, they can often buy one brand car over another and it's similar enough function-wise. But games are different. Each game is unique. I can't say that I want to buy For the King, but if it's only on one storefront (It's on both), I can just buy a different game instead. Games are way less interchangeable than cars.
Disagree again. Cars can be vastly different. Games can be very similar. There are tons of games that offer something in the same ballpark as For the King. Maybe not exactly the same, but that really doesn't matter. You as a customer don't just have one single game that interests you. There is a variety of games that you are interested in, and Steam and Epic are competing for your money in this general business. If you don't buy For the King on Steam, then maybe you'll buy Gloomhaven on Epic. That is competition, and I think it's silly to argue otherwise.
Adam made a good example, actually. Everybody would agree that a pizza place and a gyros place next to each other are clearly competing with each other. Nobody would even argue that they aren't. They both serve food. Very different food, but food nonetheless.
they will pick the one with more featureset, which in this case is Steam.
Or the one with the better price, which on sale is usually Epic.
The reason you see people keep saying this over and over is that you are looking at the textbook definition, while they are talking about it in a real-world sense.
No. The reason they keep saying that is because gamers are very emotionally invested in their hobby and happily adopt any argument that fits their narrative. So someone started saying that this is not even real competition, and people gladly adopted and spread it, even though they would never apply this to any other business.
You are also doing it in our other discussion, to be honest. You could just admit that the free games on Epic are a lot better than on Steam. But you try to downplay them by explaining how little Borderlands 3 is worth in your opinion. Why not give credit where credit is due? Both have advantages and disadvantages. Steam clearly has the more feature-complete software. a way larger product catalogue and an established community. Epic has better freebies, at least for me a more stable software (not sure if it's like that for everyone, but Epic never crashes, while Steam sometimes does and also needs frequent restarts in order to work properly) and sometimes way better prices. Both have their pros and cons. Both are valid. Neither of them is the devil. Neither of them is our friend.
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I know cars can be vastly different. If someone wants a Tesla, they probably won't want a Kia. If someone wants a Ferrari, they typically wouldn't settle for a different one. A lot of cars significantly distinguish themselves from others that they are no longer "substitutable". That said I still think most people when they purchase a car, arent really too fussed if it's one brand or another. This is anecdotal based on the people I know, who are definitely not car people and only buy a car to get to work and could care less what they are driving, so I can understand that you might disagree. To some people car is important for its utility, to others, it's more than that.
Pizza vs Gyro: This made me laugh. Sorry, that is my fault. I should have googled what Gyro was before I made that comment. I honestly thought he wrote Gryo as in Gyroscope. My brain just completely yeeted that part out as if it didn't belong there. Would probably have helped if I had read that comment properly. My bad.
For the King : Actually, I used that as an example hoping someone would jump in and name a similar game. I have been constantly looking for games that are like FTK, but despite me and my friends trying different games, have been unable to find it. I actually bought Gloomhaven (And got my friend to purchase it too) as everyone said it's similar. After playing it, I have to disagree. It is not even close to being similar. Sure, it has elements that are similar to turn-based combat, and maybe it belongs to the same genre, but neither I nor my 3 friends who tried it who all love FTK cared about playing Gloomhaven.
As for your argument that people are just adopting this position of Epic being anti-competitive because they are emotionally invested, it's not particularly relevant. I don't know why people make the arguments they do. However, If you are trying to imply that this is the reason I make this argument, I would say you are wrong.
Before Steam was a thing, I used to have hundreds of games on my PC. Some had their own launchers like the MMO I used to play, others used launchers such as RealArcade (Their games used to be a blast in early 2000's). I still have games like RoadRash95, Dangerous Dave (DOS), etc installed on my computer. I have absolutely no issues with every single game I purchase having its own launcher. When I started gaming, this was the norm. I have bought games on Ubisoft client because it was cheaper than Steam. I don't stick with Steam because all my games are in one place. I stick with Steam because I like the features of their client. I mean, I would still have to use it because as a consumer that's pretty much where all the games have been, but using it does not mean I have to like it. But I still do happen to like it.
And you seem to be implying that I have an issue with free Epic Games. I have personally played For the king with friends because they were able to get the Epic version for free. Let me expand on my stance, to prevent any misunderstandings. I don't mind promotions from game stores like Epic, Prime, Origin, or Ubisoft offering free games. Overall, they tend to be of a higher value than Steam. I have availed several of their promotions in the past and had a blast playing those games with friends. The prime example of that was when Ubisoft gave away "The Crew", which I think to date is the best racing multiplayer game I have ever played.
Since you mentioned my other commend in this thread, I will address that here as well.
Someone stated that they "feel" that Epic is winding down their promotions. To that, someone else responded by saying that Borderlands 3 is a valued freebie, implying that they disagree with the first poster's theory. I simply replied to show that it can be bought for $10 right now, so it's not quite as valuable as they might think it is. Once again, I have not said anything against the freebies from Epic. I simply disagreed with the reply dismissing the first poster's theory. I have personally gotten free games from Epic myself and have suggested others do the same. I would never suggest people should ignore the freebie from Epic and purchase them on Steam instead. Free is free. Not gonna argue with that.
I don't know what part of my statement indicated that I was downplaying the free games from Epic vs Steam in that comment. I didn't even mention Steam until you bought Steam into the conversation. My first comment was solely focused on supporting the initial argument by highlighting the fact that Borderlands 3 has a value of $10 and has a pseudo-sequel out, and it's not exceptional value. I have gotten plenty of higher value games from other places such as STAR WARS: Jedi Fallen Order and STAR WARS: Squadrons. Microsoft gave away Age of Empires for $1 back when it was a new game. Valve gave away Portal when it was new. I could name more but it's beside the point. I only mentioned steam after you made my comment seem like an Epic vs Steam argument.
Welp, this got a bit out of hand. A bit too long tbh, but I wanted to make sure there was no misunderstanding about where I'm coming from, and what my grievances and stance are.
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I too like Steam, but Valve uses some underhanded tactics in their greed with the 3rd party games they feature, taking the majority of sales % when all they're doing is hosting that dev's game(s), and this is after a set amount the dev has to pay just to get their game on the store. So Valve/Steam isn't perfect either.
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You are kinda forgetting all about the marketing side though. Time and time again, multiple devs have said that putting their game on steam gives a massive boost to their game in terms of views, and then sales. People still tend to pay the 30% and put their game on steam because of this reason. Trust me, if the 30% wasn't worth the features and marketing, they would not be paying it to keep it on steam. It's less of an issue that players will refuse to play the game, but more of an issue that most of their target audience will not even know about the game.
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You can also see it this way: Steam is such a giant that devs have no choice but to pay out a 30% cut to ensure their product reaches the largest audience around. There is no incentive to lower that % for as long as Steam remains unthreatened.
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That is true. I think more competition is awesome. If games want to release on Epic instead of Steam because of lower cut, that's perfectly fine by me. I do wish Steam would at least charge the indie devs less (Maybe for the first $50,000 in revenue) as those are typically the ones struggling with low sales. The only part I don't like is when Epic pays them in money or incentives to do that rather than the Devs/Publishers deciding that it's best for them to do this for themselves.
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of course you are totally right, valve is a bad company since they take 30% off for
hosting the game
selling games on their own "market"
letting other to sell steam key on another 3rd party (like hb, indiegala, etc), afaik steam doesnt get any revenue if 3rd party sells it, but they still use steam stuff
marketing (like the person above me said)
making software for gaming for FREE, like steam os (you can use it for another machine) and another obscure stuff people just take it for granted
monopoly, since it's valve fault since they are so popular and so much better than other crapoy store
more CHEAPER game price from discount and regional price (although it's all depends on publisher)
and again 30% cut just like any company do
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wow yeah thats a valid reason! because they want to compete! and we know competition is always bad!
or wait...monopol is good right, oh no its actually bad. competition means, better prices right! well outplayed myself within a minute!
to be honest, your argument is just silly. we need competitors, if there is only one platform then they can do whatever the F they want. because no know competes with them!
all this hate for epic is just nonsense. there were rumours and bad talks when they same happened to eggsbox exclusives, or exclusives for EA only etc etc...
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thanks but the last thing i would do would be to give Epic my money
In fact i love nothing more than a game (our world i think it's called) took a lot of Epic money for a year of exclusiveness then came out on Steam and still made a ton of sales (meaning a lot of people might not have bought it on Epic)
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Maybe if I buy a Ubisoft game since I won't have to use the epic launcher.
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you can buy binding of issac with all the dlc for 14,99euro (history low)but i don't want to get it on epic so....
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Far Cry 6 goes to 22.5€ which is cheaper than buying online.
Binding is history low like spigias mentioned so there are a few deals that could be nice however the 10€ coupon would be a better choice but at least the mystery game was a good one so
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oh god i hate every character in bl3 especially the twins.
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Thank you. I like this coupon. I haven't decided what to buy yet, but I added already discounted games to reach the goal to see if discounts stack (they do). Now I'll have to see if anything discounted is something I'd want to play. It would be cool if I could get something decent for less than the historical low.
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With the cart upgrade on Epic Store, this coupon may be the first that will actually reach its goal.
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is it a subtitute of Summer sale with fixed currency discount? (10 USD equivalent in supported currencies)? Does it mean that there will br no summer sale?
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I am not fond of Epic. I did get a few games back when this sort of coupon was a flat $10 USD off, but 25% is just not super worth. Like, when I was getting Hades for $7 and Dead Cells for $5, it was alright, but I really hate having games not on Steam. Same is true for the few games I own on GOG.
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Compared to the $10 coupon, the 25% is worse if you want to buy something under $40 or better for a purchase higher than $40. On a $15 item, that $10 is a whopping 66% off. I'll probably pass on this sale because I have too many unplayed games at the moment anyway...
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Yeah... I missed the $10 one, or rather botched it. I had everything ready then decided at the last moment that I didn't want to pay with PayPal and closed the PayPal window before paying. When I went back to my cart to pay with a card, the coupon was gone.
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Ahh that sucks. I hope they bring back the $10 in the future. I get the feeling epic is winding down on the promos, though.
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winding down on the promos
... while they are giving Borderlands 3 for free right now.
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Yes. Borderlands 3 (2019) is an old game at this point. Giving it away might get them more sales for the Tiny Tina game. I seriously doubt they are losing many sales over giving Borderlands 3 away at this stage of its life.
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It's still very high value for a free game. You'd never see something like this on Steam.
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Maybe. But this isn't what the OP eeev said. His response to Morak was that because Epic is giving away Borderlands 3, they couldn't possibly be winding down the promos. I just pointed out that there are more reasons for this promo to exist other than Epic just throwing more money towards them. They do get a benefit from it, implying that the cost might not be as much as it would have been without Tiny Tina existing.
And the reason they don't exist on Steam is that Steam does not bother with these promotions for their store. They have a very solid client. While companies like Epic engage in anti-competitive practices to get higher market share, Steam is simply miles ahead of the competition. I would be tempted to call it almost unfair to other game storefronts because it's a very tough ask to expect others to have such a large feature set to compete with Steam. The only way they can compete is price, and Steam policy makes that hard.
And I am gonna be a bit pedantic here and state that I have seen such deals on Steam. Portal 2 was free if you jumped through a few hoops, and that was worth way more than Borderlands 3, which can be had for $10 probably right now. It's AU$17 at gamebillet. A free $10 game isn't really that big a deal for a game with a lot of DLC and pseudo sequel already out.
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Damn i could have saved on my recent purchase..... but this freebie Borderlands 3 is pretty nice though.
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I will probably buy Ghostwire Tokyo for around 300 SEK (or around 30$ with discount coupon) which i find to be a good price for this pre purchase. Maybe i should wait for a 50% off sale price on Steam but i guess that won't happen until the game is released there, and even then it will probably take half a year. Less than half price for that on Steam for a new game from my favorite game creator Mikami, i guess i can't say no after all. EDIT: I got the release date wrong, i thought it would release later this year.... anyway a great deal IMO.
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it was 31€ on voidu (an authorized seller), steam key, just one week ago. If you can wait i think the price will be lower on the summer sales so leave Epic be. ;)
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I'm not a fan of supporting anti-consumer behavior and its exclusive crap. The Store is a absolute joke feature-wise and nothing is really free in this world. If its free - you are the product.
EGS is owned by tencent (40%) for a reason and its known for selling user-data. The CEO is an absolute dumbster-fire of an idiot:
https://twitter.com/TechCrunch/status/1329128153676181505
That’s gotta be one of the most amazing false equivalency arguments ever made. A CEO of a billion dollar company claiming the fact he has to pay a store to distribute his product is like the fight for a black person to be treated as an equal human.
I rather not support this kind of mentality plus there are more reasons to hate EGS:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2389975730
More Infos:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/
Details on why its damaging PC:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/uugvig/exclusives_or_not_large_number_of_games_in_steam/
Alan Wake is still struggling to gain any profits out of its remaster exclusive to EGS because nobody is BUYING:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/uq3eoe/who_wouldve_thought_that_epic_publishing_collab/
Plus I get better deals on certified key sites for Steam ;)
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Why should I be mad?
Buy wherever you want - I dont care about you - like everyone else.
I just gave you proof how stupid it is - if you change it or not is up to you
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You obviously do care. EGS has triggered you hard.
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Dislike =/= trigger.
I still don't care what you do - I spread my personal opinion on the matter on why people shouldn't do it.
Just because people disagree with you doesn't mean they're triggered kiddo.
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well you can get FF 7 remake for 32$ on sale with that coupon
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$32? it would €42 for me with coupon on top of discounted sale price. game is €80 though which I think is ridiculously overpriced.
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the game for me is 69.99$ that explain the 10$ deference
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Euro always seems to get shafted in multiple stores. I think it's probably a vat/tax thing, because if you were to convert USD to EUR then it should work out at approx €65 -ish.
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They usually do a 10e coupon for games > 15e, which is a great discount. This 25% thing is way less appealing. I wonder if they consider they have invested enough in notoriety building, and are trying to start making money, or if they are just out of money / trying something different.
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It is only better for games costing more than 40e (I guess they consider € and $ the same way).
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I also think it encourages people to spend more money, because the more you spent, the more you would potentially "save". Even though every discount or every deal is always, simple put, money spent.
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Absolutely !
Last week I travelled in a foreign country for work and went by a gas station. Toilets had to be paid for (in my country it is not something we are used to), in exchange for a discount coupon of the same value, usable in the shop only (not for gas). Before I realized my error I bought a bottle of water... in the end I paid an awful price for 50cl of water. Lesson learned :-)
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Steam master race still hate Epic. The deal is great, I will use it for Forgotten City or new Syberia
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If they will improve their launcher, it will be the best! They are maintained on top because they offer free games every week.
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I'll never understand the whole "this one's better so nobody should ever use that other one" thing. People tried to say that about XBox vs PlayStation (with a little bit of Nintendo thrown in for good measure) for 3 generations now. Guess what? They're both (all three) still around, and they're still making money. Oh, and they still have exclusives, which is the biggest thing I see everybody whining about with Epic, because guess what? It's one way to tip the balance in your favor if somebody is on the fence and can't decide which one to get, and it WORKS. When I wanted to play Halo, I had to buy an XBox. When I wanted to play InFamous, I had to buy a PS3... and that's the reason why exclusives exist. Steam has exclusives too. Does that make Steam "anti-competitive"? Or is "I have something you want that nobody else has so buy from me instead of them" the very definition of competition?
As far as I'm concerned, Steam vs Epic is the exact same argument people had about XBox vs PS3 what? 16 years ago? They both do the same general thing (provide games to consumers), and they are both different in their methods/store/abilities/products. So is literally EVERYBODY ELSE. You don't get noticed by being a copycat, which is what everybody who's simping for Steam seems to be saying they should be: "they don't have the same features that Steam has" ... yeah, that's the POINT! You get noticed by being different and doing/having something your competitors aren't/don't. The design of the store front could probably use a little work ... but as far as all the other features? I don't think I've even once looked at trading cards... what is this, Magic: The Gathering? At least those cards DO something when you collect enough of them. Levels? Completely irrelevant to whether I want to play a game or not.
I use both XBox and PlayStation (although right this moment I can't afford to upgrade either one to the newest generation). I use both Steam and Epic. And guess what? I enjoy all of them, and no amount of whining about how "unfair" it is for one to do something ("exclusives") that the other is also doing is going to convince me to stop using them.
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I don't get it either. I can think of a few reasons to want to be loyal to Steam and that's fine to be, but some people are being mind-bogglingly extreme with it.
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It's not about "Whats better or not" its about what gives me - a consumer - the best experience.
I'm not a fan of supporting anti-consumer behavior and its exclusive crap. The Store is a absolute joke feature-wise and nothing is really free in this world. If its free - you are the product.
EGS is owned by tencent (40%) for a reason and its known for selling user-data. The CEO is an absolute dumbster-fire of an idiot:
https://twitter.com/TechCrunch/status/1329128153676181505
That’s gotta be one of the most amazing false equivalency arguments ever made. A CEO of a billion dollar company claiming the fact he has to pay a store to distribute his product is like the fight for a black person to be treated as an equal human.
I rather not support this kind of mentality plus there are more reasons to hate EGS:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2389975730
More Infos:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/
Details on why its damaging PC:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/uugvig/exclusives_or_not_large_number_of_games_in_steam/
Alan Wake is still struggling to gain any profits out of its remaster exclusive to EGS because nobody is BUYING:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/uq3eoe/who_wouldve_thought_that_epic_publishing_collab/
Plus I get better deals on certified key sites for Steam ;)
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Pathetic garbage. This "best store-launcher" is already done, bring the next one.
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I'll always prefer to buy a game on Steam over Epic. Maybe if a specific game is going to be an Epic exclusive for life... Is there any of those?
I'm still waiting on Kingdom Hearts to be released on Steam tbh. Same with Tony Hawk's Pro Skater.
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Tony Hawk is a permanent Epic exclusive. But that may change since Activision was bought out by Microsoft. There may be others, I don't remember. The Square Enix games are probably just 1 year exclusives, no way would any of those ever be permanent because they'd make a huge chunk of money by being on Steam
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even 10$ cut was never totally entice me (because i was late to buy sigh)
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Epic? They can give 90% off and i will not buy anything :))
Am tired of their obtrusion... they have nothing to offer, here is no single reason to use Epic... so they trying to attract in cheap way... free stuff and discounts. Doubt anyone will talk about it without giving free games.
Also exclusivity is maybe biggest shiet. U want to play game? Great! But only on Epic! No... fuku.
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And even if they're exclusive:
Alan Wake is still struggling to gain any profits out of its remaster exclusive to EGS because nobody is BUYING:
https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckepic/comments/uq3eoe/who_wouldve_thought_that_epic_publishing_collab/
This store is a joke and they have to PAY publishers to release on their failure of a store and they have to PAY devs in order to make it free so you claim it. They're paying everyone because nobody wants to use it. Its not even making any profit lmao
Avoid at all cost.
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I've got it and used it for an Epic game exclusive. Only worth it then. Unless skip or definitely no.
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Epic is shit if you want to buy ubisoft games that are not available on steam (like ac valhalla or fc6) buy it on ubisoft store they gave you 10€/$ off discount code which is ''legend22'' you can use multiple times until 31st may.
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Why spend money on Epic???? They eventually will give all the games for free.
Just have patience.
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i've only bought from Epic once (RDR2 to use the coupon and beat the best-ever steam sale price).
i'm tempted to use it again for Cyberpunk 2077, which would only be $23 with the sale + coupon together.
otherwise, everything i have there is just the weekly freebies. which i don't mind because that's saved me a lot from buying it on steam. Launchers are already so fractured, it doesn't bother me. If Steam did achievements better, it might slightly bother me but Valve's way of viewing your achievements is crap. Xbox and Sony had that figured out in 2009, why Steam still can't do it in 2022 is dumb.
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Claim your coupon here: https://store.epicgames.com/en-US/coupons/mega-sale
❗ Offer ends on June 16, 2022; at 11AM Eastern Daylight Time ❗
P.S. My personal opinion is that this coupon is trash.
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