This is just pathetic at this point - https://steamcommunity.com/games/412020/announcements/detail/1728722175258235230 They accepted Epic exclusivity deal, and yet they keep using Steam features for marketing. Picture in case it will be removed:

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Well, they know where the fanbase is, so its logical to promote it on steam

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No its not, its like promoting a candybar in a store while you are selling it in another store. Or not. idk xd

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Its more like leaving the posters in the previous store. Making an announcement on steam will stir a lot more water than on epic store (im not even sure if you can do things like this there), and more people will find this than over there.

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Leaving the posters in the previous store is akin to leaving the store page up. This is more like gluing a brand new poster on the shop. Because the van your weed dealer gave to sell the game doesn't have walls.

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Your description is way better than anything I could have came up, nice one man.
Also I just thought maybe this whole announcement thing was automatic and they didnt excepted the sudden sellout and thats why its on steam right now

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You can get sued for that.

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They still have the pre-orders on Steam as well so it's also for them + the game will come back to Steam in 1 year so why not keep it updated?
Don't get me wrong I mean it's a shit move to promote it at Steam and then take it off for 1 year but that's another story

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The preorders were disabled soon after announcing the switch.
BTW the ad is gone now.

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Yes but that doesn't change that some people did pre-order the game before they took it off, no idea how many but some did.

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Bold...bold to go for the advertisement.

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Bald

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steam should just increase the revenue of those dev .. instead of 30% u have to pay 50% if you want to come back to steam :D :D

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So the counter to this "monopoly abuse" would to you be actual monopoly abuse?
A counter to dick moves shouldn't be a dickier move. Let's have all platforms keep their pants zipped. :/

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lol, someone didnt get the memo

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To be honest there are people who managed to preorder the game on steam., They deserve to be informed too.

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they still keep using forums for their games, and they let people import friends from steam.
pretty ironic that "steam's greatest competitor" leeches bandwidth from valve, and their lovely partner, deep-trash, uses steam to advertise their game.

but what can you expect from them. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Looks like it was a clever move.

People are creating topics about it and take care of even more advertising for free :P

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Bad PR is not good PR. Sure, more people are being up-to-date with the controversy about the game, but it's not going to magically make them go to epic store and buy the game for who knows what reasons, once they read what is going on. It's different when the controversy does not affect the customers, because in this case it indeed can be considered a positive advertisement, let's say some country trying to ban the game for violence (like in GTA case).

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There are a lot of people who don't care that much about the platform.

The "No Steam - No Buy" people who are upset now obviously wouldn't buy it anyways, but a lot more people are going to hear about it now, because a minority is making a ruckus.

Basically no harm done, but a few customers won.

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Yeah, anyone who bought the previous entries are already steam users. If those who supported you before say "no buy" then thats pretty bad.
I would be interested in the sale numbers if Epic release them though. But im sure they will be silent if it goes badly, and rub it onto steam if something goes right

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Like I said:
I think "No Steam - No Buy" is a noisy minority and the rest just wants to play the game.

Epic profits from new costumers who might not only buy Metro, but also other games and Deep Silver is getting better conditions - classic win-win.

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I have to disagree, solely on the fact that Metro isnt some indie game no one knows about..
Deep Silver is known developer, Metro Exodus was long awaited and sought after game.. Right up to this point.
Yes, definitely all this ruckus made everyone more aware of the game - but I highly doubt this worked in favor to them..

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Only thing it will cause is a lot of people pirating it instead.

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Good one!

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I imagine this will probably prompt Valve to do something about devs jumping ship and still using Steam services.

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Yes.

Sales of Metro Exodus have been discontinued on Steam due to a publisher decision to make the game exclusive to another PC store.

The developer and publisher have assured us that all prior sales of the game on Steam will be fulfilled on Steam, and Steam owners will be able to access the game and any future updates or DLC through Steam.

We think the decision to remove the game is unfair to Steam customers, especially after a long pre-sale period. We apologize to Steam customers that were expecting it to be available for sale through the February 15th release date, but we were only recently informed of the decision and given limited time to let everyone know.

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Apparently it prompts them to whine for sympathy while criticizing their competition (and presumably that's in place of them taking any steps to address the matter in a more direct and constructive manner).

While the sentiment is excusable, that's definitely phrasing that could have been handled better, from the perspective of professional conveyance. It's the kind of phrasing you'd expect from an indie marketplace (where it's more typical for interactions to take a personal tone) rather than one as large-scale as Steam- but then, Steam has never really had any reputation for professionalism in their communication efforts.

Given how Metro: Exodus doesn't have any multiplayer (last I heard), there's really no "unfairness" involved as far as the consumer, anyway, given the promise that all content'd still be fully available for Steam pre-purchasers, and given that non-purchasers aren't in any position they wouldn't be in otherwise. Of course, an argument could be made it would have been better to give consumers lengthier notice about the intended removal, but that doesn't seem to be what the Steam statement is referencing, and that'd still only be a matter of "respectfulness" rather than of "fairness"

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I reckon this will probably force Steam to change the contract. If the game has been up for preorder, nobody else can take down the game for exclusivity reason except Steam themselves.

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I disagree strongly that statements should be sterile PR pieces. I don't know why anyone would want that. And secondly, I think Valve's issue, aside from whether it's fair or not towards customers, has more to do with the fact devs are still using Steam to amplify awareness about the game for free despite making the game a [timed] exclusive elsewhere.

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It really wasn't a question of want or subjective sentiment, it was simply an observation that the statement didn't meet the expectations of professional standards. My initial statement made it sound a bit more critical than it was, but I couldn't come up with another way of stating the same thing in a more neutral manner while getting the same point across. That, and it was intended to contrast with the latter part of the statement. I considered using another word in place of "whine", since that did seem to offer a less-neutral emphasis, but I couldn't come up with a suitable alternative. ~I also thought that it helped give it more of a teasing tone, which

Since my aim was criticizing the phrasing, you can't so casually dismiss my points supporting that criticism, as you're no longer addressing the same topic as I was, after that point. Clearly, Valve has an issue with things and, as I noted above, such a sentiment is excusable. Valve's phrasing was, however, very poor [from the perspective of professional conveyance]. Consider those of us who have worked in professions or pursuits where analysis of writing is more critical than in casual conversation, and the difference in weight on the topic- and the fact that I'm addressing it solely from such a perspective- may be a bit more clear.

The core issue is the fact that it's typically going to be considered to be in poor taste to be so forthright and non-neutral in criticisms within the context of official statements (though some leniency may be afforded toward such when the interaction is through social mediums). Professionalism is, in large part, about taking responsability for what you can, and about neutrally explaining what you can't take responsability for. Once you start making things personal, your actions may still be justifiable or approvable, but they very likely will no longer be able to be considered as professional.
Given that the same statements could have been made with less directed and more accurate phrasing, the expression feels sloppy and, thereby, the feeling of unprofessionalism feels emphasized. Had the same sentiments been provided subtly, it'd have been hard to criticize, except within the scope of the contrast I made above, as far as Valve being more likely to complain about matters than address them directly.

We've already discussed your other point [ie, the main topic of this thread] elsewhere in this thread, and at the moment the overall considerations that have been presented indicate that such sentiments toward the developer aren't inherently reasonable. This can be determined off the basis that the updates are both constructive in effect and user-catering in nature, and that any marketing element is not only presumed without clear cause, but isn't really reasonable given the fact that Steam game announcements don't meaningfully serve as effective marketing methods [ie, they shouldn't ever find themselves directed towards anyone who isn't already involved in the game to begin with].

In short, given that there's more reason to criticize them for not making such announcements, it feels more like an eagerness to witchhunt than a genuine concern. Please feel free to reply to my comment farther below, if you've a suitable counterpoint to offer, or if I've made any misinterpretations.

For the sake of clarity, I'm in no way arguing that it's not understandable to have negative sentiments towards epic's approach to things and those participating in such. There just doesn't seem to be any cause to extend that criticism toward this particular matter.

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I was trying to comment on the news, and it seems to have disappeared ?

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I bet epic is paying a lot of money to get these. Its not about the better revenue split like they want you to think.

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my thought exactly, just some revenue in new places doesnt mean MORE money for dev
hell epic store isnt even around for a year and their games are rather small

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This is pretty shameless.

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Well this makes perfect sense, since Epic doesn't provide developers with a newsfeed! xD

/s

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It seems to have disappeared now, but I feel like the are not in the wrong about talking about this on steam. If you pre-ordered the game before it was taken off the steam store, you will be able to play it on the 15th of february through steam. Which means the updates could actually be useful and interesting for the people that did pre-order it on steam.

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+1

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Though it seems odd to remove the update - I hope those Steam users still get GAME updates this year ;-)

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That was my thought on the matter. Given the tension that this matter has to begin with, alienating your remaining Steam customers by making them feel left out on updates would be a rather poor decision.

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GO AWAY WITH YOUR LOGIC !

Deep Silver paid ~20€ for each copy, they can't waste a few kilobytes of our lord and savior Lord Gaben of Valveland /s

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People rate down Metro 2033 Redux and Metro Last Light Redux ... I'm wodering why ?

Loyal Steam users were in for quite a shocker a couple of days ago, when they were treated to the news that publisher Deep Silver is not releasing Metro Exodus on the platform, and has instead signed an exclusivity deal with the new Epic Games Store, just a few days from the title's launch. Needless to say, gamers have not responded to this information well and have begun review-bombing other Metro games on Steam.
Following Deep Silver's controversial decision, hordes of angry gamers have taken to the store pages of other Metro games. Steam's review bombing filters have detected negative reviews on all other Metro titles recently, with almost all of them nosediving to "Mostly Negative Recent Reviews".

For example, only 32% of the nearly 2,000 recent Metro 2033 Redux reviews have been positive, with Metro Last Light Redux facing similar treatment at 30%. This is in stark contrast to previous reviews where the game has been lauded for its mechanics and story.

This is not the first time gamers have united against a publisher in this manner. A few months ago, Shadow of the Tomb Raider was review-bombed on Steam for going on sale too soon after launch. It is this writer's own humble opinion as well that Deep Silver skipping Steam like this is highly despicable, as the publisher essentially used the platform as a free storefront and then jumped ship when it got an exclusivity deal, without any prior indication.

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All this goes to show how much they're doing this to show Steam they can rather than actually leaving it behind. Yes, they know where their fanbase is so they'll never be able to leave Steam.

Just like some others, they're using Epic to flex their muscles a little. Like some 12 year old who sends a big Valentine card to some girl he doesn't care about because he wants to make his "girlfriend" jealous because she won't go steady. It's kinda sad but hey, you gotta show you're not Steam's bitch one way or another. Poor Epic is just getting used.

This whole story was ofc completely fictional and any resemblance to my 12 year old love life is purely coincidental.

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