Wait till your budget can afford a better video card, that is your only weak spot.
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I'd recommend a Radeon HD 7850 for around 139.99
it'd be worthwhile to wait for 179.99 for a Radeon HD 7870.
Radeon HD 7870 is currently ranked at #21 Performance rating(4252)
Radeon HD 7850 is currently ranked at #30 Performance rating(3712)
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He can pick up a 7870 for 140 after rebate.
7870 newegg
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I have a HD 7850. Good card but it just isn't enough for 1080p gaming.
I would save and go for 4gb extra ram and a r9 270x.
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are you talking abour ram or vram? because i was talking about upgrading his 4gb of ram to 8gb.
i have 4gb currently and if i only have 1 game and skype/ts3 open it's fine. but i have dualscreens, so ussualy i have steam+game+voip+couple web pages+stream+msi afterburner, and belive me, for that 4gb is too little...
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Not really, games are just now starting to recommend more than 4GB of RAM and even then you can still play it fine with 4. Most don't take advantage of more than that. Hell, some don't even use 4GB. Skyrim only used 2GB until people complained and it was patched.
I'll be upgrading to 8GB soon, but 4GB is not his bottleneck here by a long shot.
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If you consider the current RAM options, 4GB is on the low-end side. I'm not saying you need much more for gaming, but there's a lot of different things people do with their PC's like rendering + for the price of RAM there's no point in going with less than 8GB.
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I'm on a 7770 and I'm fine with this, so you'd get a 7790 or something like that.
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What size of power supply do you have?
You can always get new more powerful hardware, but if you don't have the power supply to handle it then its all just gonna sit there. Personally I think its better to go with a larger power supply then you need. Not only will you have wiggle room in the future to do upgrades, but making the power supply work less will help its life span.
I have a Corsair TX750 watt power supply. Its far more then I need right now, but in the future if I move from a HD5770 to say a R9 280X I will have the wiggle room and still not be pushing it.
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I'll have to check cuz I completely forgot. I'm in my parents' house right now and I won't be coming back 'til next week.
Do you think upgrading my power supply should be a top priority? With my current specs, I haven't gotten any issues that I think stem from my power supply.
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Do you think upgrading my power supply should be a top priority?
The power supply is the only thing that can damage everything in your machine if it fails. When they do fail, they usually fry at least the motherboard. If you're unlucky, the motherboard will fry your CPU as a result, along with your RAM.
Powered graphics cards and harddisks that are plugged into the power supply are usually also killed as a result.
It's really up to you if you want to take the chance of overloading your PSU if it's not rated for what you're trying to pull from it.
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As I and others have said, it all depends.
If you have a 500watt power supply now, you "should" be able to get a video card in the 150 to 200 dollar range and be fine.
But anything lower then that and you should get a new power supply.
A good brand name power supply should run you 60 to 130 dollars depending on the brand and type and size you get.
I picked my Corsair TX750 after doing a lot of looking around. It was on sale for 80 dollars during xmas a few years ago. The main thing that sold me over other slightly cheaper ones was the fact that it could be in a room that 50c degrees. Now that don't sound like much, but where I live I have seen the Temp get up to 42c with a feels like of 47c. Most other power supplies are only good up to 40c room temp. At this lower temp the power supply wold have a harder time keeping itself cool which is part of what causes the damage and a lower life span.
It also has a 5 year warranty on it, which is again more then most other power supplies out there.
Today if I was to buy a new one, I would be willing to spend a little extra to get a modular power supply. This way I could add in just the cables I need and keep the rest outside of my case for a cleaner look and better airflow.
There is one other thing you might want to consider. A UPS, an Uninterpretable Power Supply. In case you don't know what it is, its a battery in a box that you plug your system into and plug that into the wall. They are great for brownouts, blackouts, power dips, buildings with old wiring. Any of those things can also kill your system. The larger it is the more time you have to shut down your system to protect it. I have a 1500VA system which gives me about 20 to 25 minutes real time to shut my system down.
If your area has the occasional brownout or blackout, or you notice your lights dimming now and then you should consider getting one if you don't have one.
Then it should be a new power supply. A new power supply will also get you through future system upgrades.
Then a new video card. Again this should last through a number of system upgrades. Also when looking at video cards, look at the physical space inside the case. Some of these newer video cards need 9, 10 or even 11 inches from the back of the case to the front.
If you have DDR3 ram, then this should be your next consideration. Look at how much each slot on your motherboard can take. Some motherboards are limited to 2 gig sticks, some 4 gig sticks, some 8 gig sticks. If your motherboard can only take 2gig sticks, then it should be time to consider a new motherboard. If it can take upto 8 gig sticks then you shouldn't need to replace your motherboard for a while and should upgrade your ram.
Last should be CPU and motherboard that is if your motherboard can handle more ram. You should see if your motherboard can handle a newer CPU. If you can't put on a newer quadcore cpu on your current motherboard, then you should consider getting a new motherboard. Replacing a motherboard and CPU at the time can be expensive. But at least its not as bad as what I had to do. I needed an upgrade, but my ram and cpu would not work on a newer motherboard so I had to buy a new motherboard, cpu and ram all at once. That set me back nearly 600 dollars cause I also had to pick up a new blu-ray drive because the motherboard I picked out did not have ATA connectors, just SATA connectors, which is good, but annoying. I could have gone with just a DVD drive, but heck I wanted to be able to play blu-rays.
I know its a lot of info, it can take time to wade through it all and consider everything. The path I suggested is pretty much the one I took. I went, Power Supply, video card, case. All those items could be upgraded independent of CPU, motherboard and ram. Then after I was happy with all those things, I saved up for the big upgrade which I had to do all at once which was my CPU, motherboard and ram. I did them all at once cause there is no reason for any of the parts to be sitting around for months at a time being unused, not knowing if they work or not.
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Depends on what GPU, some of the newer are very power hungry.
Depending on what the GPU says it requires you should tack on 200 to 300 more watt again so you have wiggle room.
In my system I also have up to 5 extra hard drives plugged in. Having the extra wattage is nice when I need it.
And again as I said, when you are not running your power supply near its max all the time till help its life span.
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A cheap way to go is to upgrade to a GTX 650Ti. Then upgrade to 8GB-16GB of memory. Then get an SSD of atleast 128gb (I recommend Samsung 840 Pro) for the system drive and get a cheap 2GB (WD Green or Blue) drive for storage.
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Beg to differ on the SSD point.
For the majority of games, I would agree with you, but there are games where it will help.
My girlfriend used to play a lot of WoW, and she had the install on her SSD, logging in and moving to zones was pretty much instant. There was no waiting for anything to load on screen, and she was always the first into an area running about.
I didn't think it'd be so much of an boost since I thought her machine was pretty fast anyway loading in WoW, but even things light flights were silky smooth when coming into cities and such.
Then, there is games with a huge amount of content, such as Sims 3. Another game she put on the SSD, and load times with all the expansions went some stupid-go-get-a-coffee-while-it-loads to less then 30 seconds. Worlds loaded pretty fast and there was no re-draw or load time when panning the worlds, or following the taxi service.
I'm sure there are loads of different games that'd have a speed increase from a SSD, maybe not in FPS, but that's not what everyone wants or needs to enjoy their game more.
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I have all of my games installed on a secondary driver, IE none OS, and havnt had any trouble loading large games/textures like RAGE and Skyrim with 4k textures, ya its not instant, but 3-5 seconds loading is fine. Thats my experience anyway.
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Another 4gb of ram and the 7850 msi twin frozr -_-... Or wait for black friday and maybe a cheap deal for 7950 or r9 270x
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I wouldn't say it's more than enough, unless you want to close all windows before playing this gen's games. It is the minimum requirement.
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i have seen the difference between a SSD and a HD load times.. trust me if you start using a SSD, HD will feel ancient to you.
Storage is less i understand but you wouldn't have these moments if you use a SSD.
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I know it won't help gaming performance but get an SSD. By far the best bang for the buck upgrade for any computer. I'd reccomend the Samsung 840 EVO, the 120 GB version can be had for $80 USD right now ($100-$20 rebate). Yeah your games won't go faster but everything else will!
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Hell yes everyone needs one!!!!! :p
I see your point but it's not like he even has a decent spinner.
Which is more underpowered a GTS 450 or a 200 GB spinner, bet it can't even do 50 MB/s sequential read.
But yeah if he can find a great deal go GPU I just don't think $150 will get him that much more GPU.
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According to defraggler's benchmark, my 18% fragmented OS drive comes in at, 1.53MB/s random read. Game drive gives similar performance. Id be a perfect candidate for an SSD but other then a 5-10 second boot time, I doubt I would notice much change.
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I have an old Windows 7 system that's booting from a standard hard drive. It takes maybe 2 minutes, or 120 seconds, to fully boot. If I were to install an SSD, I would expect boot times under 12 seconds.
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the longer part in booting windows off a SSD is the PC starting up and showing the logo of the brand...saying it found blabla hard disks etc. Basically the mobo booting up your pc. When that part is over windows loads fairly quickly off a SSD, so the speed is motherboard dependant and I can't answer your question
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You can disable the Windows logo from playing it's animation, which cuts a few seconds from boot (about 2-3 if SSD). Also you can choose the fastboot option in your BIOS to skip that other rubbish, which then loads once you have loaded Windows (Could cut anywhere from 2-7 seconds off).
Normally SSDs should boot in the time I said above, and if they don't then you are doing something wrong.
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35 seconds cold boot to desktop (with login). Might want to check your SSD if it is taking that long.
SSDs are nice and they have their purpose, but someone looking to increase the PCs performance on a win7 machine cant do wrong with 40-60 dollars for a 8gb ram kit as opposed to 70-120 dollars for an SSD unless he gets an extremely small 32gb-64gb SSD which has its own problems. It depends if op is looking for increase game performance vs general OS "snappyness" though, so in the end its up to OP I suppose.
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Please name a program that needs more than 4gb's of ram.
Pro tip, you cant. Because there isn't any program that needs more than 4gb's of ram. If there is than the programmer(s) need to be fired on the spot.
(I'm not taking into account multitasking, in that instance yes you'll need 8gbs of ram.)
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Oh come on, you were the one who used the word "adequate" to describe his 4GB. I was using more than that at University 3 years ago. In a few years (or even sooner), the standard will increase and then his SSD won't feel like the best use of his money.
My point is, the majority of people would find RAM more important than an SSD. I feel like the OP should consider that before splurging his cash.
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Chrome. Any web browser, for that matter, but Chrome is the worst when it comes to RAM and is also very popular. Complex tabs can take around 1GB of RAM, open a couple and your PC slows to a crawl.
And why won't you consider multitasking? It's a lot nicer to not have to close everything just so you can do something.
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Your CPU is fine, your ram should do fine for most games (Upgrading it to 8 should be done, but it is not a priority). Your HDD is fine, you didn'T mention any RPM but since you aren't complaining anyways...
An SSD would boost your gaming experience, feels great to be the first to load the battlefield 4 map and spawn in the choppers or whatever I pick because everyone else is still loading. Fsst as fuck restarts are also great. It's a luxury, but one that is fun to have.
Your GPU seems pretty outdatet, should upgrade that.
If you want to play games on ultra I suggest you get a 7850,7950 oder a 650 TI.
You shouldn't save money on these parts, as you rarely upgrade them and buy investing more you can pospone the next time you have to ugprade it.
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No doubt the most important upgrade is your VGA. Spend all the 150 bucks on that, your CPU, Ram and H.D.D are good enough for gaming. :)
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You can get 128GB to 180GB SSD, or if you watch for a sale, 240GB. I'd suggest installing your favorite game to an SSD if it has load times that bother you.
A hybrid drive is a standard hard drive with a small SSD within. 1TB HDD + 8GB SSD is nice. The drive software learns what files you access most frequently. After enough time, a hybrid drive speeds up an operating system nearly as much as an SSD itself does.
Pick up more RAM. only 4GB of RAM is sad in today's gaming world. Bump it up to 8GB minimum. For the next generation, I'd suggest reaching 16GB.
With 150 USD, I'd save more for a better GPU. For 180 USD, you could get a Radeon HD 7870. For 200 USD, you could get an R9 270X. If you want to stay with Nvidia, the cheapest Nvidia that beats a Radeon HD 7870 will cost you about 275 USD.
Your CPU is fine. It might be fine for another four years at least.
If that was my PC and my 150, I'd pick up 4GB more RAM cheap, then pick up a hybrid drive. Then I'd replace the GPU.
This single 4GB stick costs 26 USD.
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What motherboard do you have? That could affect my recommendation. The two issues are whether it supports Intel's Smart Response (SSD cache) and USB 3.
Looking at the spec, the disks feel like they need the most upgrade, but if you have USB 3 and the external disks are USB 3 then you may be okay.
RAM, that would depend on you general usage. Even we browsing these days can easily saturate 4GB. If you've ever had your PC get slow when you open up lots of stuff, then a RAM upgrade is pretty much a must.
A new GPU will upgrade your game performance significantly (your CPU shouldn't be much of a bottleneck) but will do little for other things.
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So no SSD cache and no USB 3.
I'd suggest using at $10 of that money for a USB 3 card. I got one off eBay for my HTPC and it works well. Even my external USB 2 drive runs faster with it.
Given that you're using a 200GB drive and external USB 2 drives I'd say that a disk upgrade would make a significant different to everyday use.
Still, given the budget I think that you have to decide what's more important to you, high resolution / quality games, or more everyday usability. A graphics card is an obvious update, I'd suggest a Radeon 7850, which can be had for $140 (less if you consider rebates) or GeForce 650 Ti Boost if you prefer NVIDIA (same price, and slower on most games), plus $10 for a USB 3 card. For everyday use, another 4GB of RAM plus a larger internal disk.
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pr0n. Yeah, always upgrade that first...
Uhm, nope, not that.
Upgrade RAM first and then the other stuff that they suggest.
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Another vote for a new GPU here. You can't get a lot for $150, but if you look for a sale and/or save up a few more bucks you might be able to pick up a 270x which is a highly respectable card. RAM or an SSD won't give you a noticeable improvement in gaming so I would wait on those until after you've got a nice video card.
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upgrade ram to 8 gb ($70) wait/save and upgrade your video card. Then latter get a ssd drive (they will keep going down in price anyway). For your external drives if you have a bigger case you might be able to open the external drive and put it internal or just get a internal drive for storage.
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Hi! Since the holidays are coming, I decided to treat my PC an upgrade. Unfortunately, I got too many stuff to spend on already and I estimate I only have around $150 to spend for it. Here are my PC specs. Tell me what you guys think is the best thing to upgrade. Should I wait it out and increase my budget? Suggestions are highly appreciated, thank you!
Windows 7 Professional
200GB Hard Drive (I have two external HDs -- a 1TB and 500GB one so I can manage my pathetic HD)
Intel Core i5-2400 @3.10 GHz
4 GB RAM
64-bit OS
NVIDIA GeForce GTS 450 Graphics Card
An overall improvement is the best result I'm looking for but with my budget, a good boost in my gaming experience is not bad.
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