Well in fact i dont care, and even more i think its the good thing, seriously you think that ppl can make money on other people work ? I mean lets be serious, if youtubers thought they are making money because ppl love their voices they still can place their voice and try to make money, but unfortunately for them ppl were are on their channels not just to listen to them but to WATCH GAMEPLAY form game that doesnt belong to them, just the licence.
AND Face it, YT made God of the internet from itself and now they are trying to get rid of worthless garbage and clean waves of chaos flooding them from every angle. Overall u can cry and bitching about it but after few months people will just forget about it.
And for real... you thought people will be making money out there forever ? Silly ... :)
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I like how you think you put yourself at the top of the thread. You're actually at the very bottom, where you are easily ignored.
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They can still do it if they love gaming or if its their passion or whatever, but well for free unless developer will pay them
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Just because you can't do it doesn't mean others shouldn't. You're a bastard without earning any money from it.
You think youtube gamers don't work? Or maybe you are one of the ignorant and communist fools that think work shouldn't be something that one can also enjoy. People who love their work are working the hardest and most effectively. Examples of this fact are everywhere, open your mind.
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I never said that, u did. All i said was Making money using other people work ( yea yea yea their too but using other guys work as well, what is my point) had to stop somewhere and it just did, you can hate it, you can bitch and you can think that only u have right, fortunately YT doesnt care about u :)
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If it's a combined work coming from two different entities, why should only one get paid? Youtubers that review games have already bought the game, so the company got paid. Now youtubers should be also paid for their work of delivering reviews to the people who are interested in having a look at a product without first buying it themselves.
If I can't see a game before buying it I will resort to pirating it. I don't want to see trailers, they are mostly made from cutscenes or gameplay only from the best parts of the game.
Again I ask you, please open your mind. By your own logic I can give you a song to use on your video, let you work 30 hard hours to edit it so that everyone in the world loves it, then I'll just claim it as my own because I can.
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Mate its you who need to open mind, check this out ; you are telling me " If I can't see a game before buying it I will resort to pirating it " and i dont see why you cant ? Coz there is and there will be still plenty of guys putting their gameplays out there and u will still be able to watch it or upload it, all you cant is make money out of it, which seems kinda fair don`t you think ?
You said "By your own logic I can give you a song to use on your video, let you work 30 hard hours to edit it so that everyone in the world loves it, then I'll just claim it as my own because I can." And ill tell you that you got it wrong, because who gave anything to anyone ? You want to tell me that everyone of those youtubers you guys fights for have permission from DEVs to make money out of their product at any point ? Sorry but i doubt. And if they do they shouldnt be worried...
And ill tell you something that you should think about instead of repeating what most cry babies are telling, there are DEVELOPERS who already said that they dont mind and they are ok with monetize gameplays from their games. Which is ok right ? But if DEVs say no that means no, if u are trying to take my wallet and ill tell you no, you have to stop and if u dont i wont slap you in your face, I WILL SUE YOU. AND THAT IS THE POINT OF YOUTUBE, i hope you get it now. They can`t risk that much forever.
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if you would have read anything on the subject 90% of those effect have full permission to do their videos. . look that he front page of most devs and go the the news feed from WEd-Friday. Other then Nintendo, and a small minority there will be a news feed detailing that their company supports the YouTuber's and their struggle.
Though you are wrong about the music thing, look at any DJ, like rave ones, they do exactly what you speak of. If you do cuts then you have what is call Fair use on your side. Thought your might is right when referring to a direct theft, as per your example, but this is not the case in this issue. No one is stealing someone's game and selling it as their own. See the law you refers to is taking someone's idea and claiming it as your own.
Now if a Dev, like Nintendo did, say no to you using their material that is OK, they have their right to do so. People have the rights to protect their image. In this case, the core root of this case, the dev's never said no. YouTuber's and Dev's are fighting this. Heck Machinima is going back to their old site and dropping YouTube with the support of many game Devs if YouTube doesn't fix this issue.
I do get what you are trying to say but it honestly doesn't apply here, because the root of your idea of what the issue is is misguided. If said YouTubers where harming the game industry in anyway there wouldn't be my PSA.
Sadly all the old mindsets in the world have yet to prove the core of what you think that your argument is: Though YouTube can show you a movie that is played in theaters; as does the way is can play a song that you can buy on iTunes or on DVD: it cannot emulate that which a game was designed for. . . to be played.
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You must be Google's employee of the month. Do you have a cup with your face on it too?
I seriously didn't expect a reply that hallucinating, I give up, no one can talk any sense into you. You have zero knowledge on the matter and you keep thinking you know better than everyone else.
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Many game companies whose game content has been taken down are giving blanket permission for Youtubers to footage of their games.
This change to Youtube is a change to their old automated process, which was always over-sensitive. It seems they really don't know what they're doing at Google anymore.
Seriously, Google. Don't be evil. Remember when you said that?
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Also worth to add that most gamers who get their videos flagged are not complying with the EULA that the game has. A lot of games state that you MUST have a copyright claim for the company who has made the game somewhere in the video, and when most gamers 'forget' to add that to their videos they indeed won't get money from advertisements.
Basic hint to most gamers who upload videos - READ THE FREAKING EULA AND COMPLY TO WHAT THEY ASK! That's really the only way you can keep your monetization for your videos...
...and yeah, Google has been evil for quite a while by now... Just look at this video of my son performing on piano. I've had half a dozen copyright claims by now and the video is still under review for monetization >:(
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then put out an idea that will help.
edit: the core of not supporting a bad game is to not buy it soooo.
edit: I don't care that you hate the shit out of me. this issue trumps my loath for every last shitty thing you've ever said to me. . .
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I don't hate the shit out of you. TBH, I don't even remember who you are. But this comes up often, people seem to have an irrational paranoia almost, that I specifically hate them. Nope.
But this can't be fixed by a boycott. That would make things insanely worse. This copyright thing is making content creators lose money, as they don't get ad revenue on some of their videos. Not to mention that a boycott needs a huge following to work, which is unlikely, but say we got a huge boycott going. Those content creators, are now getting even less money. But it wouldn't get that far anyway. You and I, we know about boycotts, but the majority of people going to youtube don't. The majority of people going to youtube, think Bob will save them...
The only things that can stop this? If the major networks of youtube, (Machinima, Polaris/Maker, RPM, So on...) have words or possibly game publishers, or if there's a rival site, where they can slowly transition to, to keep making money from gameplay footage (Twitch, is a likely alternative at the moment, despite being livestream oriented rather than video oriented).
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oh good . . I don't hate anyone too. . . Though most people think me saying don't be a troll is me personally attacking them . . . though if I am saying if you are going to act like a child . . then . . anyway. . . .
Yes you are right. The networks can help, err should be able to help. But that still doesn't help little guys who have no ties to the big guys. Twitch is great. . . One of the better ones now.
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Here's a better way to say, "Don't be a troll" than insulting your audience:
"I know that not everyone will take this seriously, but this subject means a lot to me. If you don't have anything constructive to say, please don't comment."
That still sounds a little elitist and dickish, but it's still far better than saying things like, "Get out," "I'm not going to listen to your shit," and "you haven't gotten your pubes yet".
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you screen through 2 hours of people posting the penis thing on twitch and you talk to me about not screening people. nice filtering my words to seem like I'm targeting people other then the ones who use adblock and people who spam dick pics all day. yes I'm biter today.
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You'd think that people would realize that if they're trying to get people to follow them they wouldn't turn around and insult the people they're trying to persuade to their side or inform. Automatic "off" for me where I'm not even gonna listen to what's said if they can't be respectful enough to not insult people over it.
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"Please don't flame each other but please let us try and band together" strikes me as ironic, coming after a couple of paragraphs where you cast your audience as a bunch of stupid kids, judgmental ignoramuses, trolls, and people actively endeavoring to screw people they've never met out of their earnings with adblock.
I also like how the first line of your post admonishes people not to visit YouTube, and then you close with links to YouTube videos, and nothing else to support your argument.
It does sound like a crappy policy, so I'll look into it some more elsewhere, but this post blows.
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What argument? this is happening. . . .
Edit: I'm sorry yes I'm a bit fired up so let me educate you. . . A Statement is a bunch of words that depict something and argument is a statement of an idea in conjecture (ahem against) to an opposing idea. . . .
and yes I hold the idea that people who don't vote yet say that the government is wrong are a bunch of idiots. . . that is not an argument nor insult just a statement of fact. . . exp seeing how many people who die each day trying to obtain the right to vote. You are ! stupid or a child. . . if you believe otherwise. . . or have no idea what the real world is like. . . none the less the comments coming from such people are not actively productive in anyway or form.
edit: thought the this post blows is lack luster I do like you will look into it.
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"so let me educate you..." Yeah, you still can't resist treating everyone like idiots, can you?
You say YouTube is saying FU to gamers. YouTube would obviously disagree with that - hence, an argument exists. What I'm saying is you've provided nothing to back up your assertions (other than links that you're telling me not to visit), and I'm curious to hear the other side of the story.
[edit]: You edited your post again while I was replying. I'm honestly not sure what to say to that insane rant, or how electoral turnout entered into the debate.
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The content providers are the one who need to "not go to it". The viewers will go wherever the content is.
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"The viewers will go wherever the content is." Meaning, if YT content creators jump ship, their fan base will jump with them.
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How the hell did you get that from my post? Audioslave figured it out.
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Then stop posting. You misinterpret everyone's posts in every single thread you have ever posted, and pass it off as "being angry." If you're clearly incapable of rational thought when you're angry, step away from the keyboard, because you just make yourself look like a rambling ignoramus.
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You haven't said sorry. You've said a psuedo-sorry that still reads as "fuck you if you use Adblock".
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Nowadays I use a substitute to YT. Music was the main reason why I visited the site in the first place. The quality of the audio is usually better, and apart from some rare gems, live performances etc. I get what I want.
The second reason are the gaming channels. Seems like Google are hellbent on sawing branches from under YTs feet. Derp
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It would be nice of you to not insult your audience while trying to convince them to do something.
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you are only insulted if you use adblock to ensure that people don't get paid for their work or want to say all YouTube people are losers. . . so if the shoe fits then I don't feel sorry I did chose my words well . . . to tell those people that I don't want them here. Or the people who want to waste my time correcting grammar mistakes that I am not mentally capable of seeing. Not my audience. and I'm not sorry if they feel insulted.
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Excuse me? I don't use adblock at all. And I didn't correct your grammar (although that could certainly use some work). Please, stop making assumptions about your audience without valid reason to.
I agree with the general sentiment of your post. I don't like what Youtube is doing. That doesn't mean I have to agree how you present it.
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who ever said you did?
Look I'm not saying anything mean to you if you don't do these things. . . If you didn't get that from my clarifying that to you. . . then you really need to read before you just react.
IF the shoe fits means if you can see that You YOURSELF fit that description. The reason I chose that insult are that those people are like the voting thing . . . . just more problem on this problem. . . making more of a problem. If that makes sense. I hope it does b/c if you don't use Adblock or make the core issue my bad grammar then we are fine and I haven't sent any ill will towards you in the OP.
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I'm not even going to bother. Not worth the effort. Good night.
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oh please disagree . . . just don't troll is all I asked. . . I'm not rude to people who don't deserve it please read what is written before picking out keywords and blurring them to be bad things just because they may mean negative things I'm really nice.
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And I'm a reasonable person when it comes to any argument, but this thread is too rude for me to take you seriously. You could have worded it so much better. I mean, just look at this:
I know I'm not the smartest in insulting you kids out there who don't care about others I know there may be some grammar mistakes and some of you idiots will point that out to make you seem smarter then me. . .
A whole section just dedicated to criticizing people who disagree with you, and what on earth does grammar have to do with any of this? I get the impression you're looking for a fight rather than trying to gather support.
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yes I see that now I edited it. . . I do feel like an idiot. . . Too many people missed it was a rant at people who use adblock. . . I used it because people who use adblock are already doing what youtube has massively started to do to these Youtuber's . . I gravely underestimated steamgift user's ability to understand what I meant. . . 100% my bad. I also forget that most people forgot I'm a nice guy
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Or signing in to AOL. *SCREECHING MODEM SOUNDS*****SCEEEEDOOOOOOMMMDADADADATITITITISCRIMMMMMMMMMMMDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA*** "you've got mail!" Enter Keyword: youtube. Results = zero.
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That isn't accurate at all. THIS IS MORE ACCURATE:
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adblocks is used to block adds everywhere, not for so youtubers don't earn money. btw youtube is a "public" place where people share videos. it's not other's problem if they get screwed up. most youtubers only care about popularity and money, give a fake relief to video games, and are partially responsible for its decline. money from views is not something that should be taken as due and acquired
on the other hand, one should not get penalized, punished for putting parts of musics or video game videos/screens or whatsoever. it's in the culture in a public place, copyrights, rights owners and other stuffs should gtfo. they make all they can with adds so that people hear about music/video games, and once it's done, they complain about people talking about it in a way they dislike -- or rather, that they like a lot, since it give them a lot of free advertising, but they just want to rip off people even more. that, and removing videos from reviews disliking a game, for example. just a control over basic human's communication to turn youtube into Television Number 2.
but as stated already, lot of games copagnies don't desire this. hope it's not "don't desire to heck up videos that make look the game cool and make delete the videos that make look the game crap". anyway i doubt that a lot of game companies/publishers would be willing to remove videos as we know from youtube
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I use adblock, cause the ads are the worst fu**** thing on the www. On the other hand I recognize the value in what I see and I use Flattr to give money to creators who accept it and whoose work I liked. One flattr click is worth more than displaying ads to 10 people.
Also: not having the option of getting money from any yt videos in the first place would save us all this drama. The perfect way to ruin anything good is adding money/profit into the mix.
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As long as some advertisers choose to make their ads offensively intrusive, outrageously invasive, and oppressively mandatory, I will use whatever means is appropriate to protect myself. That currently includes ad-block. Even if I have an interest in a particular product, that does not give anyone the right to force anything down my throat without my expressly given permission.
The blanket condemnation previously given in the OP was not only offensive, it was thoughtless.
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jade you are not doing a great job at support here but I'm not going to give adblock any support. . . I mean this site needs the money from ad revenue to be here. . . supporting the idea of adblock means that people here running it are costing this site money. . . I have no ill will towards people using adblock thought I do think that they are part of the problem. . . That being said I did retract the statement and left some of the Op in there to not be a total ass buy pretending that I didn't say it. . . GJ again at being a bad support. . how have you not been fired yet? trying to start up the fire almost 12 hours after it's been doused a large shame on you. I admitted fault. no need for more.
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You haven't admitted any fault. Your edits are nonsense non-sorrys. GJ at trying to dismiss the argument by reversing it on me, but that doesn't change a thing.
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Just because Jade is part of support doesn't mean every interaction with him has to be one of strictly SG member and SG support. He can talk and speak his mind without it being a SG support thing. He's not being a bad support. He's talking to you and you disagree with him. This has absolutely nothing to do with his support work. The fact that you resorted to calling him out on his position here rather than face his conversation maturely is just you attempting to antagonize him.
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not making the money off off the videos that they have worked tirelessly on
LoL'd hard at that one :>
Also, it's not really Youtube's fault per se, they are just really compliant with any claims by publishers. If a publisher doesn't have any problems with monetizing content with his game then Youtube also doesn't have problems with it. Example would be Mojang and Minecraft - even after those changes there will be absolutely no problems with monetizing videos with Minecraft. Whereas, for example, Telltale has stated they don't want to see ANY monetization on videos with their games. So Youtube is just doing what publishers ask to do, hate on them.
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why? have you seen an Angry Joe Video? watch this and tell me he didn't work hard. then tell me LOL. If you think this guy, along with many other people like him, do this without any effort then you sir are highly misinformed of what it takes to do so.
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Reviews and Previews (such as Angry Joe's 'Angry Review' or TB's 'WTF is') do require a tremendous amount of work and I respect them for that. But also they are a journalistic medium and they won't be struck so hard by those changes.
What I do LOL at are the Let's plays. Let's face it, that is just playing games, it's not hard work, 99.9% of times there is no production value and those guys are just monetizing what they would do for fun anyways. Those changes will mostly affect Let's players, making videos with games from publishers that don't like making money off of their games.
Also, I edited my original post to explain it a bit cause I think you're not exactly familiar with the situation :3
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I think you miss the point that YouTube is just saying they are not at fault because they don't want to say they messed up. YouTube is YouTube they allow/disallow any run algorithms on their site. The idea of looking after content that wishes to be protected is fine. . . but going after people because they have vids that they were hired to do. Angry Joe was Effect on videos he got the OK to do. . . In fact were featured on some dev's sites. . . I love how you know all of this yet can Say I LOL at this to be a wise ass and yet when I say something of intellect you edit your post to say something that seems like you have a grasp on the subject yet post facts that aren't anything to do with the fact of the matter. Yet have the gumption to insist that I'm ignorant because I gave you an retort that has something other then fart sounds. . . .
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I'm pretty sure guys like Angry Joe will be fine, it's the Let's players that will feel the change.
I edited my first post before I even saw your reply. And about the rest...I don't exactly understand what you've written O_o You think publishers stances on monetizing off of their games has nothing do to with the matter?
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actually Joe got hit pretty bad - 12% of all his videos flagged. And some reasons are just plain stupid. He's been interviewing TR dev on camera before TR release, there's been no game footage, no ingame music etc, just Joe speaking to the dev. And TR logos in background. Flagged. TR logo is protected by copyrights.
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yeah - why the fuck noone expected that the system "punish reported suspect beforehand, then give him 30day waiting time before he can defend himself" will be exploited? o.O In any other law system in the western world you must be proven guilty before being punished. And they made a system totally dependant on "we hope, that all you guys will be playing nice and fair, so here you go - no limitations for you" idea. What's even more funny is that a ot of these claims are not even done by publishers, but by some small random companies, that massively add flags beforehand and then try contacting actual owner saying "hey, we found a guy who was monetizing your content illegaly, pay us and we will close it." I believe TB written somewhere that the publishers he contacted said they have no idea about many of these claims and it's third party companies doing it.
Also one final thought. AJ video will probably get viral, there will be some shitstorm, but with as many viewers as he has he's gonna be heard. He has a big support behind him to fight back. Same as TB did about he's Garry's One video. but good luck being a starting youtuber, with just few dozens followers defending from something like that. This system will totally block any new content creators from making a start.
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This. . . Anyone wanting to start out now is just done. . . Youtube has just gone and backedup the idea that 3rd parties can do what they want. This means any little guy can inadvertently get a continent match at any time. To really bs someone out of their youtube account all they have to do is build up three strikes and it's gg. There's all these statements of Fair Use and Counter Climes but the fact is once the mark is up and the channel is down the Youtuber's career is done.
The sad part was Youtube was about public access. . . but not anymore. . . it's about public spying.
On another note isn't anyone else worried about this software that is being used here . . I uno being used for other means.
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you're mixing stuff a little bit here, maybe do a little research before raising a hole war ;) What you're saying about (3 strikes policy) is about something totally different. It's about TakeDown requests that have nothing to do with content ID claims. If your video gets removed from YT 3 times it's a GG for you. Not if they block ads due to content id claims 3 times. The current problem is about Content ID, when you get flagged with content ID you cannot monetize your video, you may protest but it takes time - even up to month before they have to look into your case. So you put a video of a popular fresh game, that everybody is intrested in, but you cannot earn from ads on it. after a month when everybody totally forgot about a game they say "well, we're sorry, it was a mistake, here, you can monetize your video again now". The issue now is that with all these claims it's become unsafe to turn professional on youtube - you have to invest a lot of time and money to produce a good quality content instead of just lazy non-edited low res Let's Play, if they can randomly for no reason cut you out from all your video earnings - like I said big players like TB etc will fight back and win, small youtubers with no backup will simply be too afraid to invest and turn professional, but it has nothing to do with bans or 3rd strike policy.
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Well while "worked tirelessly on" may be a bit over for some cases, it's a fact that many of these youtuber guys indeed have that as a dayjob, recording, editing and paying atention to public response while posting 2 3 videos per week.
I guess for these this ins't a easy job at all.
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Pewdiepie is a hard working man and deserves every bit of his fame. You can tell from his videos tat he puts in a lot of pre-planning to make sure every second is engaging. Never once does the viewer think, "Man, this guy is acting like he just woke up and started playing this game for the first time." So yes, these guys work their tails off to publish their playthroughs and reviews.
EDIT: Forgot to mention that Pewdiepie is the world's no. 1 celebrity right now and now he is on unemployment because of this fiasco. GJ America!
EDIT EDIT: Forgot to mention that America is a democracy that is founded on the principle of free market which implies that if you dislike the way a company handles your business then you are free to choose from another company in which to do your business.
EDIT EDIT EDIT: The previous edit contained no sarcasm.
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The thought of Pewdiepie doing anything aside from posting Youtube videos is terrifying.
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Then let me make it worse! Just think next time you go to your favorite fast food chain, you get here and find him with a polo shirt "How can I help you sir?". You already had a heart attack by now? XD
Quick Edit: But truth be said, even if he and some of these famous youtubers had to stop doing that, prob most of them would be able to find some job on games media I guess.
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Then why would you continue to consume their fast food?
EDIT: I think I misread your comment.
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There's a reason that PDP is the biggest channel on Youtube. He puts some work into his videos and I'll give him that. But 99.9% of Let's plays are just that, a guy who just woke up and is playing some games.
Edit: changed "a lot" to a more vague "some" - I don't watch him anyways so it's just my presumption.
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I'll confess I never really got to fully understand this "living from making videos on youtube".
For a side I understand that they are just content makers, making videos that people want to see and being paid for that, but still sound crazy when I hear about some of these guys buying huge houses with their video money and making F overpowered computers with X video cards just because they could ask for it!
While I guess must be hard work recording and editing 2 3 videos by week, and keep checking what people will want to watch or not, and yet it's crazy if we think that this kind of stuff started with people who just liked to make videos about games, just because they liked, and BOOM it became a fucking industry with many people living with that. (And I'll not deny at all that I envy a bit these guys, damn! u.u)
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Well good for them, I'm happy about them being able to earn some money while also having fun :)
What I don't understand is the butthurt coming from those who are just playing games for fun+monetizing it and it may mean end of an easy life for them - either step up your game to AngryJoe's/TotalBiscuit journalist level or just get a normal job :3
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If in the end of the world you get two last living human beings, I guess one would get something to envy from the another.
In any career you aways will have people that see someone who is happy about his job and getting some wealth, even if just a bit, and get butthurt about them, they will see only the good sides of this person job and just ignore any downsides and the fact that most of them even if lucky, had to do some enfort to get there. Envy is a sad sad thing when people let if get over their heads =/
Anyway, most of time it's just for the best ignore the butthurt ones and keep walking. ^^
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"YouTube has just actively screwed over a few million people out of their income"
really? you would use the word screwed over?
The money is YouTube's to start and you think they are screwing over people by cracking down on copyright infringements? Yes it's harsh, but I wouldn't go that far.
I don't agree with the propaganda you're spreading. If its a PSA it should be as unbiased as possible.
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read and watch videos and try to make some form of informed point you 100% have no idea what you are saying or have no idea what is going on. . . please make some form of effort of informing yourself on the issue please. The money isn't Youtube's and copyright infringement isn't hasn't been an issue in this matter. . none-what-so-ever if it was the accounts would be terminated not losing the ad revenue which has been mentioned. What PSA is unbiased. . . really?
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Well we can't deny that Youtube started all this "making youtube videos for living" thing. Would be cruel and I believe even wrong of they to just do that, but if they just say "It's over" someday, well... that's it...
Making youtube content never has exactly what someone would call a stable and safe career at all I guess.
I really believe that in time all that will be fixed someway, but till that happens, I guess it was a good alert call for everyone that anyway thinked that making videos would be a lifetime career and tell them to be ready if anything like "It's over" ever happens.
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hells yeah!! I have little respect for you people these days I used to gift you guys and stuff was nice and all you did was turn on me and call me pathetic push out every by saying shit like this meh. . . I have like little time for people saying I'm spewing propaganda and calling me pathetic . . . you people aren't worth my time other then amusement. . I've been giving out gifts secretly to people saying smart things here. . heck even people who have called me on things. . .but for people who insult me . . . meh no time.
See that's what I don't get: you are allowed to say pathetic and all that jazz and I cannot retort>? meh odd world you come from.
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lol...all youre doing is proving my point...just a ball of rage...your opinions cant be trusted...blahblahblah...dont care what you do...you think youre so high and mighty cause you give out gifts...but guess what...there are many people who give out gifts and dont brag about how nice they are...so clearly you arent nice since you give out gifts only to brag about how great you are....................................................also work on your logic...thats why you dont get it.....your OP and most of your replies contain insults......
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naa only some and those are directed at the people who were using sad excuses to post about stuff that they don't know about. . As for you I'd really look up propaganda I took that as a direct insult Sorry I was so fired up last night. . . but honestly. . . you were never the bigger man. Most my replies don't contain insults. . . but they can be contrived that way I guess. Most towards you. If You don't know why I was pissed off meh that's fine,. I'm the only one who didn't come out making directional insulting claims. . . and I was the one really pissed off. That being said I was pissed off but I was constantly seeing eye to eye with most. . . Just cause I won't agree with you that I'm not spewing propaganda and that Hi'm high and that I have issues. . . I'll say I have issues yes. we all do. . I'm not the one attacking people directly. I am the OPS but I'm not afraid to go punch for punch. . .every I'll level pathetic attempts at belittlement any day.
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But who says "smart things" here? So far in my reading of this thread, it seems that anyone who doesn't outright agree with you on every point is bad and should feel bad. No-one cares about your gifts and no-one cares about your PSA if you're going to act this way.
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Personally I use ADBlock and other similar browser plugins because the stupid ads on youtube strike at high volume, can't be skipped, stop playlists and I don't care about youtubers getting moneys doing nothing at all.
If you want a revenue from your creations then open a store and create something people actually want to get, not a commentary about "how frustrated I'm about <flavour of the month>" and other nonsense.
Have a nice day.
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No No No... you're messing a bit.
Being hard work or not, but we can't say youtubers do "nothing at all", even the crapies one recorded his shit and uploaded that shit... it's something.
The ones that don't do nothing at all are we who just sit and watch their stuff.
Also, most of they DO create what people actually want to get, and usualy is these people who go and spend time watching what the youtubers created, it's a store, you're just not paying at all to brough what they give you (well the add pay for it, and if we look this way, when you do block adds you're bilking it XD)
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PewDiePie is untouchable. . . he's part of YouTube as much as most people love to hate on him he's the biggest YouTube channel with over 13 million subs. Plus he contacted every dev before let's plays and signs contracts. . . he is quite covered. he could be the only one left!!! not really but it could happen.
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First off I have a legit job. . . I've most likely held a job longer then you have. . . Just because I don't bash my head with a pan yelling I hate PweDiePie l;ike most people doesn't make me jobless. . . It means I don't buy into the idiot spam hate. I loath his channel and cannot watch him but facts are facts.
See I come from a Generation that didn't hate on everything like the emos on the next are today. We all listened to different music and beat the heck out of each other but gave each group the respect it deserved. See Just because it is cool to hate something doesn't mean it has to be hated . . . something you may learn one day. But judging from the people I deal with . . that may not happen. totally on a side tangent here but It might do some good. See the biggest issue in this world, right now is every REALLY HAS TO HATE. . . SOMETHING. Find that figure and nail it to the wall. . . Say something too positive and your the thing nail to the wall. I am truly worried that your culture may never break free of the hate that you've been brought up in/birthed. I think things have become too instant that you kids don't understand that there is a world outside of the digital medium. . . I beleive that over 90% of the population on the western world will die off to to it's sheer pride of it's own laziness someday. . . sooo don't lecture me about work. . . cause I'm one of the few that is happy that I'll die before that day comes.
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A cliche? Ha, so you have no problem if someone who does a less lot and important work than you is payed more. You have no problem if you are a doctor and the watchman at your work is payed as much as you are?
I am at work and I have a lot of stuffs on my head right now, but when I get home (or tomorrow, because I'm on deadline and I might get home late), I will make you a post about my feelings - which might be a bit offensive.
I don't really understand every expression in english, but did you just call me emo? From your comment I might say that you are a hippie - guess what? The world today is bad and lazy because of your generation - that's what I think. I wish you a nice day, and, as I said earlier, I'll come to a reply this evening or tomorrow. I wish you a nice day! :)
PS: if I don't like something, it doesn't mean that I hate that thing
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Naa I just had problems with little condescending remarks towards myself and I try not to be directly rude. "Whats the matter with you? Are you high?" is a cliche. If you think otherwise I'm sorry for you.
Ps has nothing to do with opposite opinions. . I was saying that I have a job and not an person just splatter disrespectful remarks towards anyone but those who deserve it. nice change of your original post. . . but you still left the part stating that I was on a lower level.
I'm not a hippy if you must know I used to be a cattle ranch, growing up them moved on to the rigs for a while. When I see people like you stating I need to get a job It pisses me off for I worked in conditions where I almost died a few times where people today. . . don't have to worry about that kinda thing seeing a you all are pampered. . . Which is a good tyhing. . Just that the fact that you are all so dammed sheltered that you think that you can say whet you want to who you want. . . Which really pisses me off cause my new job is dealing with the new threat of this. . . people cyber stalking and bullying each other now. Over the past year I've seen the internet do horrible things. . . but until you are in a situation where you are comforting parents while they come to terms with the fact that their child isn't with them anymore due to some other kid q across the world took it upon themselves to stalk and harass their kid. . . That's my job. . . So you wonder why I'm mean to people being condescending on the internet. . . that is why. I'll explain myself, I'll play on level playing fields but one thing I don't do is take shit from spoiled posters who have nothing better to say but little bs condescending remarks Cause I deal with that aftermath as my job now. You wanna step up and grow up and approach me with an honest opinion. . .with out the childish insults good. . but I'm the last one who's not going to swing back with an direct insult. . . direct hits hurt less and make the point. I'm only given what's gave. look at other posts and see that pretty much . . I'm really a nice guy only giving what was given
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If you have a problem with condescending remakrs, don't reply with that garbage a couple of posts up. If you need to hit back, do so, but don't try claiming the moral high ground.
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I can if I want free world no? all the other people who haven't done the petty form of trolling. I can troll the trolls no? At least I take the time to exp myself more then some. . . I uno take it as you will but hey. I'm lending on open invitation to not have this a low tier conversation. . . not like many others on this site.
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Except you've shown again and again in this thread that you can't understand who is trolling and who has a different opinion from you, not to mention trolling those people back, leading me to the last point of "get off the internet if you can't keep calm enough to read".
P.S.: What's with the . . . every other sentence? You use them like full stops. You've done that as long as I've seen you post and it just makes me think of you like some sort of broken robot, trying to recall words.
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yeah it's my typing style . . . I've always written like this. And yes when it comes to people just shooting stuff out. . yeah. They can poke me back too. It's fun. I don't go to personally insult people just to point out that they be being ignorant. I didn't know that that was not ok. I mean heck I find it funny that people can accuse me of being high and jobless. . . yet you and others feel I shouldn't do the same. . . there are many other threads here that I talk on level heck even agree with using ADblock. . . but with comments like are you high or passing propaganda. . . meh I'll take shots and give shots. If I was a careless jerk I just wouldn't give my effort or time. see people who respond care people who just post and move on. . meh. Each punch I give back I extend a hand jade. . .
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I didn't say you couldn't or shouldn't hit back. I'd be a massive goddamn hypocrite if I said that. I did say you can't do the same and claim the moral high ground of not trolling or being condescending.
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I don't think I am saying I'm the better man just more stating I'd rather go a different route. . . but giving back I was pretty upset yes. In no way am I happy with where this thread is going I even said that with "You wanna step up and grow up and approach me with an honest opinion. . .with out the childish insults good". I fully admit to the dumb notion of these back and fourths. . . but in the end most of these end up with friendships. . . or bitter rivalries .
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Here is how you can help: don't go to it until they resolve this issue. . . or let's figure something out.
Some of you may or may not know that YouTube has flagged and started screwing over most YouTube Gamer's videos.
Many people who have been putting up any type of gameplay videos have been flagged and are currently not making the money off off the videos that they have worked tirelessly on.
Now I know some of you people out there use adblock to make sure that these people you love to watch make no money what so ever so I know you don't give a shit what youtube does. . . but this is a crime. Many people Like Angry Joe, Chilled Chaos, and even Pew Tee Pie or what ever his name is. . . have been hit hard.
This is a very harsh day on the internet (well Monday was the day that it happened but today the **** hit the fan) YouTube has made people lose their hard work due to their greed and some people need to take a stance. This is mine informing you people that YouTube has just actively screwed over a few million people out of their income and the word needs to get out.
Please don't flame each other but please let us try and band together to figure out how to actively help those who put out videos that help us find out if a game is fun or not. . .
Info what is going on:
the first panel
YouTube vs Gamers!?!
From Nomed: a kotaku article
angry joe's rant harsh language and a bit loud.
TB's thoughts
boogie2988's wonderful heartfelt rant
machinima
EDIT: I was too harsh on people Using Adblock I don't like people using it but I took out what was seen as an insult at everyone (though it was directing to people who use adblock who think that Youtuber's don't deserve money from ad revenue.)
Edit edit: I didn't mean to insult everyone was just in rage mode when I found out how many people are in trouble. Though honestly if you do use adblock and watch a YouTuber you should feel a little bit bad. . you are enjoying their work and not contributing to their work that you are enjoying. . .heck if you wait the 30s and press skip ad they get some money from that.
Personal note: I man sorry for being toxic to some of you. I have been a bit fired up and did get condescending. Something that I do need to work on. Though I would love it if people would try to see that people's lives have been effected with this and I do stand up for people who love games and am trying not to be too aggressive towards people who hold little respect for those trying to make an honest wage. After talking with some wonderful members here Yes that includes Jade. . . I do see that I have 100% been very toxic to some of you, thus distracting from my informing you of an issue. I will try to be less so from here on out : 12:26 PST
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