Apply again. If they know you're serious you have a better chance.
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I got through two phone interviews, a questionnaire, two online tests and an in person interview. I don't think they'll consider me as a candidate again at all.
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Yeah, but, sometimes you win some and sometimes you lose some. I sent possibly a hundred applications, and so far had about 8 interviews, but only ever got two jobs. I was on an interview this Monday, still waiting to see if Im accepted or not.
It's tough but, it's just how life goes. Giving up hope is the worst thing you can do. There are plenty of jobs that will be available.
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I have sent 500 applications or more (possibly more) by now, I don't even remember how many interviews all these months, possibly 20 or something.
The thing is, is entirely statistically possible that I won't get a job in this economy. Thousands of people don't, I'm not guaranteed to get a positive outcome eventually.
I hope you get the job, though! :-)
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Fruitlessly applying for hundreds of jobs really does hurt the soul - especially when you encounter jobs that require you to fill in special 10-page forms and answer iffy psych evaluation tests. I sympathise with you - especially if you lack experience or are "unspecialised".
You might not like this, but the answer usually comes down to effective networking - having a LinkedIn profile, reaching out to employers over social media, talking to old classmates or friends of friends. I know it feels like just one more activity to sustain when all you want is a job, but it does help.
If you're not in a good position to do that, my advice would be to grab a person and do some mock interviews with them to practice being more charismatic, because that helps a lot too.
Finally, you might still get offered the job but it's no use waiting for it. Better to treat applying to employers as your job until you get one to replace it!
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I'm way past entry level actually, and with significant experience in negotiations, interviews etc which is part of the problem.
I know I lack networking skills- I don't have LinkedIn and don't want to, I hate everything SNS-related, it's too much for me and makes me feel uncomfortable, the way people expect me to post things that I don't want to. Although I have very good relations with former collaborators, I just can't reach out and ask (also the country is in a situation where you have to align politically if you want to use connections). And I don't have loads of friends, it just happened this way.
I'll just keep sending my CV out there, I can't just stop trying anyway.
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Get on LinkedIn. Don't treat it like Facebook. It is a professional platform that makes you visible to recruiters.
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Pardon my suggestion if you think it is too bold. I assume that you made contact after the in-person interview to respond with your eagerness to move forward and thanking the interviewer for investigating your abilities.
If they have had sufficient time to respond, I would call the in-person interview and notify him/her that it is unprofessional to not send a declining letter or phone call after an in-person interview. Because of this, inform them that you do not consider your association with their company good for your long-term career. Do it cordially without rudeness or impassioned.
It most likely will not change their tone or approach with you, but it will give you the courage to know you have the ability to walk away from them, if they have not treated you properly in the process. It can be very empowering to your esteem, even if not for employment.
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This specific company, I think they'll send their rejection letters, they just didn't have time to do it on Friday.
Usually people are too thick-skinned for any such approach to even matter, but I have done this: I had applied to a really, really big company that had a very long process, I had to take tests etc, but they never bothered to let me know. I even tried contacting their HR dept (not even in my country and I had to search A LOT to even find a contact mail) but no reply at all. A couple of months later they reposted the job position, and also sent me a questionnaire "how would I evaluate the hiring process". They get a great 0 out of 5 and I wrote that for me is inexcusable from this company, with so many HR resources etcetc to not even let the shortlist candidates that they didn't make it. Not that it will make any difference, but it felt good. :-)
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I don't think you are supposed to apply again when it's such a short time frame. I've seen so many posts saying if you've responded to x post, please don't apply. Although, it is unlikely that they will blacklist you forever, I can't see the reason why not.
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Maybe they'll send all their rejection mails next week, I just happened to see the job reposted. It really ruined my mood, though. Some companies are too inconsiderate, though.
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Where I'm from they don't send rejection letters. Maybe not knowing hurts less. ... not really.
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They don't here usually, either, but this is an international company and I believe they'll do the proper thing and let the candidates know.
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Did you not reach out to the hiring manager after the interview to thank them for the opportunity yadda yadda... usually you'll get a response from that.
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Of course I did. I expected a response next week tbh (which I still think I'll get, I just happened to see the reposting before that).
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This is routine for them. I'm still waiting too. It sucks. If it's an online platform, just apply again.
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It was a pretty thorough process, with phone interviews and online tests and finally the actual interview, I don't know what they would expect to be different this time.
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I really don't know, but I've been called twice for the same job and they acted like I was a totally new person. It was me who told them "wait, this is for XXXX offer again?" lol
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Sorry, what?! They didn't even recognize you?! This company asks for a wig and a water-pistol, sorry to say.
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Something similar happened to me once too. An agent contacted me with a job offer. I was interested, applied, made a test and interview. Agent contacted me again and said they took someone else, but they wanted me to apply for a very similar position.
I agreed, traveled there this time and ... they didn't know me or that I already had applied for that other position. They asked me to do a test and it was the very same I already did online previously. This time they had some issue with their hardware which impacted the test result and they asked me if I wanted to do it again. I explained that they already had my test results - blank stares.
Oh. And they were supposed to organize me a driver back to the airport the next day, which they also forgot to provide. You can guess that I wasn't interested in that company anymore after that experience. xD
I have so many weird experiences with HR that I could report. So listen to the others and don't read too much into them reposting that job offer. Imho HR tends to do more mistakes than most other departments.
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For some reason, HR is the less human-interaction-capable dept in companies, more often than not.
Hahaha, agencies are so deep in automated forms and IQ tests that they forget to actually hire people.
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Don't give up hope just yet. I've heard enough stories of job openings being reposted and people getting the position anyway, for various reasons. (Including HR department overlooking the fact that they just hired someone, or decisions on previous batch of candidates not being final, but wanting to line up the next batch just to be sure)
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My face-to-face interview was yesterday and the whole process was about a month long, next week they were supposed to give a final answer Not that what you describe isn't possible, but I don't believe it will happen.
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I believe in you. You can reapply and prepare for the right interview this time. Maybe even request a face-to-face interview?
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Thank you, but I don't believe in myself any more. Too many unsuccessful interviews. There are so many unemployed people out there, why should I believe any more that my path leads to the "lucky" group and not to the entirely realistic possibility that I just won't get a job?
Actually, I got past the bad phone interview, got invited to take 2 online tests, got a second shorter phone interview and finally yesterday I had a face-to-face interview, which I thought I had done pretty well. I was anticipating to hear from them next week, but today the job was reposted.
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You can still hear from them next week. If you got that far in the process, they really ought to let you know if they've passed you over.
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I expect to receive a rejection mail. They posted the job today so they get the applications over the weekend (and it would only take a few minutes), but it makes sense for the person who'll do it to send the rejection mail the next working day, it's much more time-consuming.
It's bad for me that I happened to see it, but it's not that bad really.
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It may still become a happy outcome. Don't give up all hope.
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It can be draining as hell. The whole job market has a weird kind of obstacle course feel to it sometimes, where all the advice you are given feels like it amounts to "lie, but artfully", and your feedback is either non-existent, or token at best.
I don't envy the situation you find yourself in, but please try to remember this isn't a direct reflection on you, but rather a mirror of how spaghetti-like the whole gateway to employment can be. Unless you're rolling in a ton of super-relevant experience, there's usually a convoluted and patience-trying system to wrestle against. Hell even if you have too much experience they will deny you out of worry you'll go elsewhere if you get a better offer. It's crazy, and it's definitely not as intuitive and fair as to blame on any individual.
Give yourself a little time to collect yourself and rest your bruised expectations, then try again when you muster up the energy. You'll get there in the end, but the whole circus surrounding gaining employment still awaits. I stand by my initial words of "You can do eet!"
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Thank you, everything you say makes sense, but I can't land ANY job for months now. Above my experience, below my experience, exactly right for me. Just nothing.
The thing is, some people are employed and some are not. It is a very realistic possibility that I will not find a job, for reasons that are beyond my control. It's not practical to lose hope, but it is realistic. My gut reaction is to keep fighting because of my family, but really I can't pretend that it's just a matter of time and perseverance.
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I hear you. Though the job market itself also fluctuates, with the number of available jobs coming and going too. It's sort of like fishing in a way. A lot of patience is needed sometimes, and just when you think you have a bite, they can quite easily get away from you and force you to spend a moment to untangle your line and re-bait your hook, so to speak.
It really is just a matter of time and luck, though certain things can alter your chances, such as tempering your expectations, expanding your horizons towards things you wouldn't usually consider (equivalent to setting up extra fishing rods, heh), and learning all the weird memetic stuff that goes down in interviews. It doesn't help that a lot of the canned advice that people dole out can be completely incorrect, or for very specific circumstances. For instance, I'm a very reserved person, and someone at an employment agency was always trying to get me to show a little more energy and interest, speak up more often, etc. On one interview where two candidates were interviewed at a time (and were left to collaborate on answers on sheets), when the interviewer came back to talk to us, I engaged more as was suggested. Both with the interviewer and the potential colleague. I felt the interview went better than normal, however the agency got the interviewers feedback and she said that I wasn't a very good listener as I talked over the other candidate (which is patently untrue, especially given interruption or conversation domination is a pretty major pet peeve of mine). It's a big ol' circus of excuses and weird expectations. One person says to make your CV/resume stand out and make it personalised, another says to keep it clean, crisp, professional and to the point. One says to elaborate on things to be more impressive and show attention to detail / confidence, others say not to waste their time and let the bare facts speak for themselves. Some say to be honest at all costs, others say to always give the answers they want to hear. Hell, I was once told that clipart of all things was a good way to make a CV stand out. Some people swear by always including a photograph of yourself in the opening page to show you are presentable and serious about the job, other people swear against it (and the possible implications of prejudice or appearing egocentric).
It's not personal, it's just one hell of a rocky road to walk until you break into the industry you want, and have good references and any social contacts you can pool. Quite often, the rigors you get put through aren't to ascertain what job experience you have, but rather how much interview experience you have. There are some people who can't hold a job to save their lives, but also breeze through the interview stages. You'd think with how vital the process is to maintaining our civilised society, that it might be more streamlined, but that's just too easy, right? :P
I was out of work for >years<, relating to some personal issues. At first all I could land were temporary jobs during things like the christmas crunch period, where they need all the hands they can get. I got so disheartened that I usually saved the bulk of my jobsearching for the weekly visit to the job agency I had signed onto. At a random whim, I opened a jobsearch page at the start of a new year (a few years back) and idly thumbed through. I picked out a single vacancy and applied to it with zero belief I'd even hear anything back. I was in that state where the jobsearch itself was just routine, and I had zero belief in ever hearing back. I got invited in for an interview, and still in the deep belief that nothing would actually happened, I went through the usual motions of setting up the appointment, getting my shirt and pants ready, running over the usual questions in my head, and headed on in. It was all smiles and pleasantries as usual, very little awkwardness given I had resigned to the idea that the worst they could do is reject me without a word (so I might as well just treat it like a pleasant conversation with any other stranger). I got a call back a week later saying they wanted to hire me, and I started in three days if I was still up for it. Sure it was only a part-time job, but it was a good fit with my personal issues, the people and the business seemed good, and they had no problem with my lack of recent experience. I was shocked to say the least, and had to surf the edge of a panic attack while happily accepting the offer, but yeah... heh.
You'll get there, but dealing with the recurring sense of disappointment and the nagging bruises to your ego when they don't even give you basic contact and consideration? That's a whole different ballgame. Hang in there buddy. They say its always darkest before the dawn and all that, but the whole interview survival games stage really can be like that. Even if you only go through the motions, even if you think it's at a point of impossibility, keep trying to put one foot in front of the other (and make an occasional special effort if a vacancy really catches your eye). The rest is time and luck.
You can do eet. \:3/
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My determination is getting back to normal levels, thank you very much for sharing this.
P.S. OMG clipart.
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Just to try to cheer you up a bit - I went through similar path to yours, with all the phone, online, face2face stuff.
Right after coming back from F2F I noticed they posted new ad for more workers only to get a phone hour later I no longer can spend all day doing nothing since they hired me.
Turned out same day they interviewed me they also got new clients and needed to find another worker.
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It's really a 1-person position, this specific one, but thank you. I will wait for my rejection email to lose hope 100% :-).
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I was looking at some postings in my field earlier, and saw one that was listed as "open until filled" with a posting date of early 2016. I guess I'll apply for it, but could anyone be either pickier or lazier with the process?
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It smells of "CV hoarding" TBH.
I had a pretty good chance (I thought) after going through Skype interview, questionnaire and in person interview for two different companies in the last months (since Easter). I was a bit overqualified, but really a good match. I was sent a cold rejection email but the same two job postings keep sprouting up on Indeed every two months or so.
Either they hire people who invariably run for the hills after a month or they scam-hire.
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Scam hiring here used to be a thing here years ago with employment agencies. They would get you to pay, they'd get you a job, then it wouldn't last past whatever time frame (2 weeks or four) that would allow them to keep your money.
Don't know if that stuff still goes on though, been out of the game quite a while.
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Here there is a public authority responsible for unemployment benefits, job opportunities for certain unemployed groups etc.
A group of absolute shitty individuals, who deserve to rot in prison if you ask me, hacked the webpage of the organization and ran a scam where they would ask money from unemployed people to "process" their applications regarding a specific large-scale program for hiring unemployed groups with certain criteria. Since the program was aimed mostly at older people and people with not highly-desirable skills, women who left the workforce to raise children, farmers etc, it was very easy for people to fall prey to those scum.
I was enraged when I found out, it's one thing to scam rich people with get-rich scams, but it requires a certain despicable subhuman kind of breathing being to scam unemployed people out of their last 50 Euros.
Nope, nothing really happened apart from a short media outrage.
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I´m sorry to hear! Have´nt chimed in on your "yay i got the interview" post for reasons, but now i have to say it really really sucks that you learned not getting the job from a source other than from the fucking guys you´ve had the interview with. Simpy unfair and not cool =/
Do they have meals on wheels in greece? It´s by far not the best paid job in the world, and there´s no way to work yourself up the lines, but at least the clients you get to interact with are genuinly grateful for your doings - very much in contrary to most employers.
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I expect them to send rejection emails on Monday or something, so I won't say -yet- that they left us to find out by the job reposting.
Would you believe I have sent my CV to volunteer in at least a dozen NGOs or similar entities over the last couple years and they keep rejecting me because they prefer inexperienced students who do it for the "volunteer certification" on their CV? Apparently I'm too experienced to become a volunteer.
I have applied to many jobs "below" me previous position, they keep telling me I'm "overqualified" (seriously I'm triggered by this word as a result now) and that "I'll leave as soon as I find something better" (as if they were going to cherish me forever otherwise). Basically, they want really, really desperate individuals with no support (thankfully, I have a supportive family and they do what they can) with kids etc that won't dare leave if they are harassed etc.
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I´m feeling ya! With each rejected application the feeling of being not up to it grows stronger and stronger, it´s the absolute shitlord of negativity cycles. And i totally believe that you tried over and over again for no actual benefit, other than feeling more and more not belonging where you are.
I´d say been there done that if i was´nt that lazy sob with only a fraction of your job-applications under his belt, i bet yours go into the hundreds if not thousands, whereas i´m always like "they don´t want me anyway, why even try".
Don´t be me, keep strong, keep on trying!
Somewhere there has to be the perfect job for a nice & competent human being to find their place in life.
I still want to believe in it, despite all the shitty work ethics surrounding us nowadays.
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Yep. And let´s not get started with the people in charge of your wellbeing, becuz most of the times you´ll find they´re less qualified (socially or educationally) as you or your hamster anyway and only got their job for elbows or creative lying or other ties.
One of my favourite sentences goes like "that fucker got my job!" ..
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Apply anyway. If an unemployed person with 0% confidence tells you to, you should listen. :-)
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Sooner rather than later i´ll be forced to, not looking forward to it .. but i do know well there´s a world of shit ahead.
Here´s to trying to be cheerful 💩
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I'm being strong out of habit, but really I do not believe it. Reality will do its thing, no matter how much positivity I pour in.
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Not speaking about positivity in the widest sense, unsure i´d get the concept anymore, think of it more like "soldiering on" or "berserk mode". I´m sorry i can´t be much of a help other than writing silly words.
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Why do we post online, if not for "silly words" from kind strangers to act as a kind healing hand on our bruises? :-)
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I´ve got a history of posing lots of stuff online and not getting anything out of it other than being fucked up, so i try to be cautious about it :D
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Hey, when I posted "You can do eet!" before, that didn't get revoked just because you missed the job.
You can still totally do eet, even if you may need a moment to catch your breath after your mood took a hit.
Give yourself a moment. There's no two ways about it : Disappointment can really suckerpunch you sometimes.
When you're ready, get back in there. Nothing stays the same in life forever, and that includes the stuff that sucks ass ;)
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With an ever increasing population and mass immigration from third world countries being allowed and encouraged by our politicians.......things will only get worse.
Don't you wish you were born in a rich family ? I do.
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I do not know which one is your country, but I do not agree with you on principle about immigrants.
Other hard-working people trying to make a living is really not the deciding factor here.
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Don't despair, it took me approximately two years to land a job after quitting graduate school (huge work experience gap with no degree to show), which I am going to start this December. Just keep shooting those applications and improve on the interviews. Good luck mate.
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If I pass the two-year mark, I'm coming back to demand a refund for me not despairing.
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That is unfortunate, sorry to hear. But hey,... you'll get a job eventually. Right? Hopefully... Idk I'm a young white guy with a decent ability to talk in a place that needs a lot of workers. I'm not too experienced with the troubles of getting a job. Wish you the best, though. From the sounds of things, you could still have that job. Seems a little early for them to put out another ad. And if they keep losing people for the job, maybe you are better off?
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Hey, not only fellow desperate individuals need respond. Not everybody has to go through hardships, I'm not vindictive. :-)
My interpretation is that this week's face-to-face interviews had no good candidates and they want to get the next batch of applications.
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So all you need to do is go sabotage the next batch so badly, they go back and realize GiaP11 was the shit.
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LOL, I feel so silly that my first reaction was a mix of LOLing and thinking "I could never do that".
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It's my second time being unemployed during the same economic crisis in my country (the first one was in 2009, when it really hit the fan), so I guess it counts for something?
Hmm, maybe an achievement? Like a second playthrough? (game logic applies everywhere, right?)
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I don't know really what do you want to work
But I think maybe in such situations you could work anything even a pizza guy until you find something suitable
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Thank you, it's not easy but what else can we do, right? :-)
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That sucks. It always hurts when you know your be great at something, but can't get anyone to give you a chance. Keep trying! You'll impress somebody.
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You know, for some reason, the way you worded it questions my perspective in a way. I'll think about it.
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send an email to the in-person interviewer, saying that you understand you didn't get the job, but could they please give you feedback?
include in the email that you would hope they keep you in mind for any future position that may open
my sister did something along those lines, then checked in approximately once a month. After 11 months, they hired her.
(note: don't push if they're not receptive)
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I plan on asking for feedback when I receive the rejection mail anyway, but not before I get the official answer from them.
Yay for your sister :-)
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You have no idea how many times I have been called "overqualified" and rejected.
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My previous jobs are documented. Every company who hires me will find out in a second so there is no point in lying (and it's really easy to be found out, even I was prone to lying about my CV, which I am not). I can't pretend to not know how Excel works or to suddenly drop my English level to "basic communication". If I had to constantly worry about being found out at my job I would have long ago chosen much more lucrative paths.
I really cannot understand why so many people believe so adamantly that Mcjobs are aplenty here and waiting for us with open arms and every unemployed person is just too snob to apply.
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I know for a fact that these employers in Greece only hire university students and/ or illegal immigrants, depending on their level of shadiness. Under-25-years employees can be paid virtually nothing by law and they are preferred for all those types of jobs you have in mind, no questions asked. There are loads of them unemployed anyway. You understand you are comparing a 450 (?) million country with 50 independent authorities to a 10 million country with a centralized system equivalent to a medium US city.
They don't have to ask around, the moment they enter the system to hire me it automatically shows my experience etc. The jobs that don't even go through this hiring process are basically illegal and I'd rather not. Also, most people believe (I'm not saying you are doing this) that as a woman I should simply get harassed or worse a couple of times, it's better than being unemployed.
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Of course it doesn't, my point was that you can say you are unhappy with your job; I'm not one of the people saying "oh, I don't have a job at all so don't you dare complain" or something.
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That really sucks - but don't let it take the wind out of your sales! Unfortunately the job market is horrible right now, in almost every sector, pretty much regardless of where you are... I sent out about 130 CVs (and across 4 different countries!) to get 5 interviews, and my CV is really damn good. The right job for you is out there, keep at it. I'd advise against re-applying for the same position, though, can't see many recruiters being willing to immediately reconsider you.
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Well, it's not like I have a choice, anyway. Applying requires time and my laptop, and I have both, so I gotta do what I gotta do.
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That's too bad, maybe they post for more people or you didn't make it...
I've through many rejection for job application this year... To the point I feel lacking in social skills (I'm introvert), intelligence, and appearance.
It's hard, and now I've been working to improve it, like wait for chance to be more active in conversation, learn new skills, wear makeup.
Good luck, don't give up now, the opportunity will come if you keep searching ^^
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Honestly if you are having that much trouble finding a job. Sometimes you have to suck it up and apply for a job you don't really want but NEED
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And you are so certain I only apply for the jobs I WANT because?....
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Just assuming from your post. Seasonal retail hires a lot. My store hired some people that they shouldn't have
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Seasonal retail or any other "seasonal" throw an "overqualified" at my direction and are done with it. They only hire kids barely in their 20s or undeclared immigrants (if they are really shady).
If you are just assuming, maybe you should tone it down before reaching the "suck it up" stage.
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Only hire kids and illegals? Wow.... good job there.
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Oh, you are in Greece... Sorry about that, but I believe it won't get any better as long as EU (and EZ) stays as it is. I'm in Italy and I am in your same situation.
Both our countries need to leave Euro, but I fear Greece will also need some sort of Marshall Plan after that.
I'm having an interview next Monday, let's cross fingers. I wish you good luck with your application.
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Good luck to you!!!
European South is a unique situation, people who are not from our countries usually don't get the finer implications.
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Again and again and again.
Don't worry about it. My wife has been sending CVs for the last 2 years over 200 hundred and has filled a hundred online forms for jobs.
And she is still unemployed. Why? Cause Greece... Welp... I don't know your financial situation right now but if you can hold on then just keep doing it. You 'll find a job at the end.
End look at jobs from other countries as well...
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I feel her pain and desperation so much. Tell her to hang in there from me.
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I read her your reply. She let a big sigh...
Keep on trying mate and you ll find a light at the end of the tunnel!
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Υποθέτω αυτές τις μέρες ακούει κι εκείνη από όλους το γνωστό "μα πήγαινε έστω στο Χόντο για τα Χριστούγεννα" λες και αυτόματα
γυναίκα άνεργη= ο Χόντος σε περιμένει με ανοιχτές αγκάλες.
Κουράγιο πες της, και γι' αυτήν και για μένα.
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"'Ασε φίλε... 'Ανω των 25 και έγγαμη στην Ελλάδα είναι δεν έχεις δουλειά ακόμα και στον Χόντο..."
Γελάμε εδώ με την απάντηση σου. XD
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Sounds really tough and makes me appreciate what I have even more. The job market and employment rate in my country are pretty much at their best condition in years so I had no issue finding a job immediately after I dropped out of University.
As others have said, don't give up hope and possibly expand your search past Greece's borders if you have not done so yet, there are plenty of companies who are looking for specialists internationally since there are not enough people with the set of skills they need on their local market.
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I know this story gets around a lot, but the truth is you can't move to another country without at least some money on the side. Tickets, rent, public documents stuff like that cost serious money, if you are unemployed for months you just can't go to another country like that. I've heard countless "but I have a friend of a friend and they went to USA/ Germany/ Finland/ Australia and everything is perfect etcetcetcetc" but the truth is there either is a parent funding for the first months or they struck gold and found the rare company that paid for literally everything.
I applied to neighboring countries just for the hell of it, btw, but didn't even get a response.
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Well, our company hired many people from all around the world and often helped with the relocation and first months of living here so I made an assumption based on that.
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A. I hope more companies follow their example.
B. Are you still hiring? :-)
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We are hiring all the time, have a look if anything fits you.
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Keep trying, Gia!
I know these things suck but I have faith in you. From what I can tell from your posts here, any company would be glad to have you.
Just keep applying and one day you'll land a job. :)
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Where are you from ? And whats the line of work you applied ?
Interesting to hear that after all the applicants and (assumably) tons of interviews corporation would just ignore it all and start a new application process. What would they expect ? New specialists magically appearing out of thin air ?
btw. Have you considered moving ? Maybe another country will be better. I personally would love to move to Canada after finishing Uni. I dont think the situation is that difficult in my country, but salary and responsibility that comes with it is laughable.
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I'm Greek. I have applied for virtually everything at this point.
I don't know what they expected. After a month I don't believe the perfect applicant will appear either.
About moving to another country, it requires capital at least for the first few months (tickets, rent, documents etc), unless I go there undocumented in a freighter and live under bridges.
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The job opening was reposted on Indeed a few hours ago. Obviously no suitable candidates from the first round.
I'll just go sulk in my misery and anticipate my death by freezing under a bridge.
There comes a time where not giving up hope and the definition of insanity become one and the same.
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