The profiles should include count of deleted giveaways.

It seems somewhat common that sometimes creators make keys they are unsure about and then just by having winner agree deletion they can hide them. I think this could be somewhat policed by listing the number of deleted giveways creator have made.

There could be argument should these include those deleted before ending or not... I think only those deleted after end date should be listed as such.

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And some even creating fake giveaways to later delete it on purpose. I agree

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But.. Why?.. What's the point? xD (to create a fake ga)

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Many people just don't know how this site works, they think that by creating GA for RDR2 they could win RDR 2

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This is not creating a fake giveaway to purposely delete it after.. This is ignorance or confusion or or or but not purposeful.

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To farm whitelists I think.

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I just now learned that the deleted GAs aren't listed in the window that shows up when you hover over the number of GAs created, I honestly thought it was one of the items but apparently I was wrong. They do show up in my list of created tho (the one accessed from the gift button), so there's clearly some sort of tracking going on.
Maybe CG will see this thread and consider it, I personally think the number should be publicly shown in the profile page.

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"There could be argument should these include those deleted before ending or not... I think only those deleted after end date should be listed as such."

The before ending it's very difficult to properly track as you need "time". I mean.. It's one thing to delete a ga a few minutes or even a few hours after it began (if it is one that runs for a long time) and another to have 100 delete of which all 100 are deleted last hour before the ga ends (which again I have no idea why would anyone keep doing this on purpose :/ )

For those deleted after it's a lot easier amd there aren't many scenarios :P Either the key was duplicate/invalid/wrong game or locked region (I don't think I forgot anything)

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Because the gifter want maybe cv and don't had the needed 5 entries when he gave something to his WL/group(s)/invite only.
Only public GA's dont have that minimum req. but a lot of other disadvantages or punishments as spam, a lot of rulebreakers etc.

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100% agreed. Some groups require "5 entries of the giveaway is invalid."

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Recently I had an unpleasant episode when a winner asked for a reroll, but I'm pretty sure that they'd actually activated the said key on an alt account. A reroll winner said the key was a dupe. They were decent about it and agreed to a GA deletion. Should I be punished for that somehow?

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I think winner shouldn't be able to reject a win.

Maybe add a new state for unshown keys, that is rejected. Winner loses access to the key and gets a mark on their profile.

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I think winner shouldn't be able to reject a win.

Why not? Seems like random bossing around to me.

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Why should they? Should not enter in the first place if they don't want the game. I think that should be minimum standard for the site. If you enter you take the game if you can. And circumventing this should result in permanent ban.

Also would prevent gaming for the CV in some groups.

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You can see if a winner have seen your key, so you asked for a reroll after he see it?

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Unneeded because the number itself don't say if someone abuse the deletion possibility.

Very easy example:
Let's assume someone give Lootboy Keys away, that are often dupes, so he have a high number.
A other one give only 2 games away that get deleted because they were 50p fakes.

Alone from the numbers would be the first seen as "bad", the second not.

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Why should not the giveaway creator not be punished for fake giveaways in first case? I think we should reasonably aim to increase the bar of the site. Pay up or take the not received and ban.

Later isn't that big deal, if it only 3 I think they don't get many more chances....

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Because the first don't make "fake giveaways" when he have won or got (after paying) a key for a game and he can assume that key is ok.
So he don't start a GA with bad intention or wrong infos about the game or key.

And take other people in your focus too.
Users that want to get cv for their Ga's, and that means, public GA's excluded, min. 5 entries needed.
If that isn't reached he can say "ok no cv this time" or he can delete the GA.

He would be seen as "evil/bad/fake Ga creator" in your point of view concentrated on the pure numbers.

I can clearly say that i would do lesser GA's when that would come.
Lesser work and problems for me.
Lesser GA's for the site.

I don't see how that would help the site in some way.

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From general users perspective the user deleting giveaways before end harms them relatively little. Only really in case when they go over 400 points cause of deletion.

On other hand fake giveaways for non-working keys hurt the winner in multiple days, they stop the person from joining other giveaways of the game, they can potentially ruin the day or week of the winner. Maybe less giveaways isn't so bad. After all there are other ways to give keys you are unsure about.

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Oh come on.... ruin the week of the winner :-DDDDD rofl

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Think of situation when winner win something nice. And then the creator is gone or don't give response in a week... Or maybe get a key, but it doesn't work and then have to wait week to mark it...

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And how often did it happen ?
1x in 50k cases ?

I think we should be happy if the really important stuff would be handled complete.... and that isn't the case or we would have not so many autojoiners, multiaccounters and shady ru shop exploiters
...after that some "extras" could be dicussed But i still think that this extra is a really bad idea and would do more harm as good

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You mean like this?

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it's strange, I have something similar without having "moderator" next to my name XD

(gotta love F12-editing the page)

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:-D

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Perfect, so just add that stat to under others ;D

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What does similar even track?

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It compares our music taste for similar artists

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Make this a real feature

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i've deleted two giveaways, the first because i've linked the wrong package with the game and the second, because i've selected the wrong game ... i'd say context is important and should be therefore be decided individually

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That is nice idea, because you lose comments as well. It shows you if someone is polite and understand if you get problem with game and you are allow delete it. I sometimes look on unrecieved gifts to see what sort of person I deal and since you can see only refuses to delete, you may find some really disgusting stuff like a person forcing creator buy him any different game to allow him delete it, because he wanted +1. And if someone decided after years that he will allows deletions... we will never know as they were deleted.

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IMHO it's not a good idea because this number would only pillory the people (I am not sure if I have translated this idiom correctly). Once you get some deleted giveaways the number would be there forever and you can't do anything against it unlike a non-activated gift which can be easily fixed. Also there are cases like forgotten (or unknown) region restrictions or I once had a giveaway where the winner already had the game and there was no one left to re-roll.

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Last case is really something that should not be handled by deleting giveaway. But instead site should support removing entries such as potentially there is none left.

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I have deleted 18 giveaways, 8 of those were deleted because of wrong info right after making the giveaway meaning they had not ended yet so no winner was effected. 1 was deleted for region issues, 5 were deleted because devs revoked keys which actually ended up costing me more money because I purchased replacement keys which of course still did not work because they were revoked. The last 4 that were deleted were lootboy keys which was given away in the lootboy group which allows for deletion because lootboys gives dupe keys sometimes. I have given away thousands of games and paid to replace most duplicated keys but sometimes I can not provide a replacement in those very rare cases compared to my amount of giveaways done I do not think I should be punished for such nor should anyone else with similar issues.

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I actually meant to comment this under the comment you replied to about lootboy

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I maybe would hold a stance that keys from such places as lootboy should not be allowed. If they really have too considerable deletion rate.

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I don't really see the problem as the giveaways at least that I did were in a group made for them and 98% of the keys have worked as I have given away 208 games in that group and only 4 didn't work

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2% is somewhat bad... Maybe 1, 3 or 5 day suspension could be justified as in other cases.

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I have given away thousands of games and never entered one giveaway. If I got suspended for something out of my control it would honestly discourage me from continuing. If a dev revokes keys or a seller provides me a bad key why should I be the one punished? I replace keys when I can and put disclaimers on every giveaway. I in no way believe I did anything wrong. To each their own opinion. I respect yours I just disagree and that is okay :D

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This. I really don't understand why the standard mindset here, for so many people, is something along the lines of "gifters are bloody slaves and are indebted to winners". Why is it not more like "winners are happy to win and thankful to gifters, and if a GA happens to have a problem they didn't actually lose anything"?

Gifters already lose a slot whenever they delete a GA, that's good enough to prevent the abuse of mass-creating fake GAs. GAs can already be deleted only when the winner agrees, this covers people who are obviously trolling and for whom the winner can refuse deletion.

If Steam provided a mechanism to check for the validity of a key, I guess it could be okay to be more strict about invalid keys. But Steam being what it is, I don't understand how people can put the blame on gifters for bad keys so strongly. It's not the gifter that sneakily invalidates keys, it's the bloody dev..

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Targeting CupcakeDollykins with a suspension? For giveaways made in a special group for potentially risky keys? Maybe you're going overboard?

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I question why should we allow a group for risky keys? Either ban that sort of stuff or apply it to all giveaways. Whole group and deletion thing just seems like circumventing the rules. And then other playings of the systems are judged. Like small groups swapping games between each other for CV...

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It's a group with almost 3000 people if they are willing to accept the risk at a chance of a free game why does that matter to you? It doesn't effect you.

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Btw I am not trying to be rude I just have a different opinion. You have actually always been on my whitelist. I don't mind a healthy debate. I hope you are as open minded and don't take anything heavily :D

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And why we shouldn't? Is it set in stone somewhere?..

You remember a few days ago the accidental developer revoke fiasko that removed 5-6-7 year old games from Steam accounts? Those keys where from Fanatical and IG.. Usually risk free stores.. It happened. HB had AER full dupes and then replaced those keys. Some times even safe keys aren't safe. Even a steam gift may not be able to be delivered for some reason. Why only the full value matters to you?

Why it's a problem to have a "risky keys group"? And what you want to do with all those keys? Throw them to the trash for 0 reason? Need I remind you feudalife has Cryostasis?.. This is a very risky key yet it has worked 100% so far. You wouldn't enter because of the "delete if key is not working" comment?

All this CV thingy is mostly -if not totally- about GROUPS. The manipulations mostly happens for this.. Guess what.. If you don't care for those groups then you don't care for that CV and ratio.. Which means you don't care for risky keys.. So you want to "punish" the majority of users that DON'T care for this..


Edit: This though has nothing to do with the deletion stat. You are mixing up various subjects for very different reasons than those you initially presented.

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To edit:
This started elsewhere from stand point that after end of giveaway there should be absolutely no reason to allow giveaway deletion. The not received mechanism exist exactly for that. Game was not received.

Now, it seems that many people here want to do questionable things and hide it when they don't go their way. So listing how many times that has happened seems reasonable and fair alternative. They get to keep their fraudulently clean "not received" -value while there would be other fair stat showing reality.

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Wouldn't this need a change in the not received system? From clarification, to consequences, to a way to fix things?

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What do you mean by "should not be allowed"?
-To count to the deletion rate or
-To be created?

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I don't see the point of it. Games get deleted for a multitude of reasons. I've had an entire bundle revoked on me from HB that wasn't marked in Barter or any discussion topics about it. I replaced the keys and had the giveaway deleted. The only ones who may need that info are mods and they can already check.

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Unlike your other ideas, I like this one a lot. It seems people delete giveaways to avoid some stupid number in profile that nobody even looks at ("not received"). So they definitely deserve to have another stupid number in their profile instead, maybe this will stop them from abusing giveaway deletion.

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Hmmm.. The more I read of this the more it sounds like a "witch hunt". I mean this in the sense that it feels to me as an annoyance for some very specific deletes.. And those are veeeeeery hard to monitor.. I don't mind it as a stat but it won't show what you would want to find out. But adding "punishment" to this would be unfair in a large portion of cases)

As for groups like lootboy or agree to delete (mostly keys from other ga's or grey shops) are just for that.. Keys with a chance to be duplicates or invalids BUT it's out of the creators control. On the other hand they are "free" but not exactly free, they require time, some others effort and so on. And there would be no other way to obtain those keys for many people so given that the majority requires tasks or a small amount of money it's not worth removing them completely. Yes of course you can gift them out but that you can do with any key. Others can't use the applications or mini games at all, others don't want to take the store risk, etc.. So chances are those keys would "die" in a trading file in hopes of something..

From what I see you want to solve a very specific problem that requires a whole new system all together.. I don't know if it's possible or how but a plain stat won't help with this as the reasons to delete a ga are too many (the minor ones) and every circumstance is different.

The biggest problem is that mainly.. You want to find the "rotten apples" and that task cannot even be achieved in real life when you know someone.. Let alone behind a screen in situations that cannot be proven to be truthful or faulty.. (if a key was dup, if it got activated elsewhere, if it worked, if it got revoked , if if if if..)

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Why though?

I feel like a certain amount of discrimination already happens here on SG. People will target you for blacklist if you have a "not received" or two on your profile. I've seen discussions on that where people were like "X even has two not recieved on his profile" and I was like..."ah, so that's why people feel threatened by having a not received". That shouldn't be the case, especially when the person has a good overall record, but it happens. People feel like they need to have GAs deleted when they go wrong because of the culture created by certain elitists. Even I feel like having a "not received" is dirty because of the negativity attached to it. It's not right considering most people who do GAs are playing by the rules and it's not always financially possible to replace a key in the unlikely event that it doesn't work, but it's the way it is.

We don't need more reasons to point fingers at people. If someone is making fake GAs, the mods will deal with them and I'm sure they get permanently banned if they do it more than once. I don't think we need to witch hunt the good people who actually do gift stuff because of a few bad apples.

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Maybe there would be less discrimination if the rules were enforced and failures were not quietly hidden...

On other hand it is strange how rules are different for some. And somehow in some cases using bad source is valid excuse... Maybe it would be better if rules were equally applied despite the numbers on user's page...

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I don't think so people blacklist for number of unrecieved gifts alone. At least I never did that and I use blacklist feature a lot. It is more about behaivor winner use on that, because if you see someone spamming creators by words scammer or writing them to immidietely send them 25€ to steam wallet to buy game, because developer for example revoked game. It is something you don't want to solve on your own, because anything can happen.
I once created 30 giveaways at once and swaped two keys. Am I scammer for that? I don't think so. And some leechers there go into extremes. Calling out isn't allowed sadly.

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If there is only negative effects, why even have not received in first place? Why not just automatically delete all giveaways winner marks not received?

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I was never able to find it in the rules.. I do know tha deleting a ga takes away 1 spot each time (untill you get it back) but for the not received I was never able to find in the FAQ or Guidlines a 100% answer (I only heard about it in the forum.. Maybe I'm blind dunno). I THINK that 3 not received can cause a temp/perma ban but I have no idea if this has to do with time (3 in x amount of time or 3 in forever). Maybe that's a reason for it

Again not sure about this but also 30 in 2k deletes (yes, I took Maya as an example) is insignificant to say the least.. Whereas if this was 10 in 12 then it's different.. But again you can never know.. What if it was the first ga's of someone and came from a [paid] revoked batch etc etc etc.. You can't "judge" every "case" even if you have all the "facts" (and you can never be 100% of some things).

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https://www.steamgifts.com/roles/member
At bottom suspensions for various infractions. Still, I'm not sure how is this expanded to multiple-infractions. And then need to consider that moderation team are part of community so they might take different views depending on user and past contributions.

To quote:
Fake Giveaways 5 days
Gifting Beta Keys, Guest Passes, or Coupons 3 days
Gifting Non-Steam Redeemable Games 24 hours
Misleading Giveaways 3 days

So, would one such giveaway actually fall under one these?

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I never noticed this either.. 2 things I learned today xD (the other was the community wishlist link)

It still doesn't mention anything for the not received. My guess it's not an automated system that does this so.. I'm hoping whoever it is is fair as if this 3 not received holds any truth it would be unfair for heavy gifters or long term ones. Anyway that's another discussion I'm not sure if it's proper here. But I did cross my mind when you asked why not mark it as not received.

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Most deletions are not for those reasons though. Those do make sense.. (as in they are 100% clear on what they mean - maybe except the last one "misleading ga's" but I'm guessing those refer to texts bellow the ga or things like Helliborn that was to be revoked etc)

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People make mistakes.

As example someone create a GA with a Beta Key or GOG Key.
In the most cases, this people will delete the GA when they get aware, mostly from a comment, about the rule that this isn't allowed.
Problem solved.

If someone don't delete the GA he get punished.
Problem solved.

Of course it would be possible to punish each one too that wanted to delete the GA, when it isn't anymore possible in your "dream future" but what that would bring as positive effect ?

Fake GA's get punished, if they are clear to spot fake GA's. As example 50p ones that get used for advertising or on events and then deleted.
I think a misleading GA are a GA for a game but not the Gold Edition or something like that, when the gifter know he give the wrong version of the game.

And as a sideinfo.... you get a punishment for deleted games.
You loose each time one slot.
You gain for each 3 recieved GA's one slot.
So the punishment for a deleted GA is 3 times bigger as the reward for a perfect done one.
I don't see why it should give extra punishments on top :-D

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I agree that this will only add negativity to a good kind community.

Mayanaise, don't leave, I like you =)

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I’m glad I’m leaving today

Riding off into the sunset, are we?

See you, space cowboy.

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Come on, how come it's negative? Sane people don't care how many giveaways you deleted, or how many of your giveaways are marked as not received (as long as it's not the majority). And for not-so-sane people you always have a blacklist.

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Have to agree with others that it's a bad idea. No keys are 100% safe though of course there are better sources and worse. But why discourage people from making giveaways with say Lootboy and IG Feudalife keys? It would be a waste to just throw those keys away. There are even specialized groups for these so I don't see the harm.

And more importantly there are enough ways already to judge each other. It's somewhat funny how some power users blacklist each other based on RCV ratio, played wins ratio or whatever while the vast majority of the site's users never make a giveaway or only did a few to have access to more GAs.

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So why then even have whole not received or fake giveway thing. Those might just be honest mistakes too and should not be punished.

Let's just automatically delete giveaways marked not received. Slot losing will eventually fix things.

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Not every "mistake" is equally serious. Not every "crime" deserves the same punishment.. Remember "Les miserables" (very fast example of what I mean)?

Not received is not the same as fake giveaway. Fake giveaway is mostly things like Helliborn situation, demos/previous posted as games, ga's for games that cannot be delivered no matter what and other scenarios. But a ga gone wrong is not always fake (99% it isn't). We can give 342345 examples of why would many things not be the ga creator's fault.

Every "rule" has an exception and every situation no matter how much alike is different..

Why you want this though? How are you gonna tell apart whose fault was what? Unless you care for something more specific.. Imo you are trying to find a very special category and a simple delete stat won't fix this. Especially if you punishment along with it. "But we were promised", "it may ruin someones day/week", "etc" from my experience here and elsewhere I was in this situation sometimes (so far I had no problems on my own ga's but had with ga's I won). Yeah, nobody likes it, myself included, but it is not the norm.. And nobody can force (or even should want) a forced gift. It's a gift. Not a trade.. Same reason I don't like most groups.. If you start with CV ratio, sent/received ratio, monetary value and so on then you have "lottery trades" (giving something to get a random standard reward. The spirit is wrong..) Yes of course many give to gain level and win better things but the SPIRIT should remain to give gifts.. Not exchange tokens.. In this spirit why make someone that wasn't at fault pay for someone else's mistake just because you can't find that someone else?

If you are talking for a specific abuse (which I think you do) a flat stat won't help.. Every rule can be bent.. You need a different system in this case and not a flat stat that says nothing at all without the stories behind each..

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'Not received' is there for cases where the gifter and winner can't come to an understanding. If they can solve the issue why police it and penalize the gifter?

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Maybe not received should not be considered penalty, or be considered justified penalty.

It seems if both can decide just to circumvent it it loses all the meaning.

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It seems if both can decide just to circumvent it it loses all the meaning.

Why would it? Strong disagree. As it is the winner has all the power to force the gifter to fix stuff or eat the not received mark. If you think it's a scam or a fake GA, you can mark it not received. Even if you think it was a honest mistake / not the gifter's fault you can still force them.

The last thing we need is to further discourage gifters.

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There just seems to be lot of societal pressure to allow circumventing that, by group rules or blacklists. I think community would be better if we removed this sort of stuff. And slight discouragement of gifting might not be so bad if then higher percentage of keys worked.

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Hopefully most don't agree to deletions because of pressure but because they think that's the right thing to do. As a winner I'd honestly feel bad if a gifter received negative marks because of a close to zero value key that turned out to be a dupe. If they have a replacement then great but if they had to spend extra money to fix it I'd feel terrible.

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Is it? It kinda runs against the sites idea. Why would there even be not received in first place, if it wasn't meant to be used? Why should we feel bad if it goes up by one for creator? And why should key value have anything to do with whole thing?

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Not received is there for cases where you can't come to an agreement with the gifter. It has its use. The winner can decide how and when they use it. And I'd feel bad about this proposed new stat if it penalized the creator either directly (with suspensions and the like) or indirectly (being judged by others). Key value wasn't my main point. I'd happily agree to a deletion even for a valuable key, it just would feel especially silly if a gifter's profile was blemished for a worthless trash game.

Realistically speaking if deletions were shown on profile most people wouldn't care about it unless the number/ratio of them was really egregious. So it would be a pointless stat for most. But it would be great for having something else to feel insecure/bad about though.

I'd like to offer IG's giveaway system as an example. There it can be very hard to impossible to contact the winner. So even if you had a replacement key and was eager to make things right sometimes it's just not possible. Because of that basically everyone who regularly gifts there has at least a few negatives. Which in turn makes those negatives pretty meaningless.

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Not received is there for cases where you can't come to an agreement with the gifter.

I beg to differ. Not received just means that the GA creator could not deliver a working Steam key for the promised game. No more, no less. That's how it's supposed to work. That some people think that having red marks on their profile is a punishment is kinda baffling to me.

if it penalized the creator either directly (with suspensions and the like) or indirectly (being judged by others).

I doubt that people would get banned just because of some GAs marked as not received, especially if they are high level and/or very active users on the forum. You see, that would actually be a bad thing for the site, as there are less people who gift games than people who win games. To me, it seems that perma-bans rarely happen. People shouldn't fear that, it won't happen because you have a few red marks. Oh wait, you said suspension. Err... so what? You get back on the site after your suspension is served, no big deal here. After a few suspensions, a perma-ban could maybe, possibly, eventually happen, is that what people fear? Eh. Nah. I've explained why I don't think gifters would get banned, even if red marks start piling up on their profile.

Judged by others? Oh my. If we go that route... if the thought of having some "not received" is unbearable because they fear they will get judged (and maybe blacklisted?), whelp, we might as well get rid of the giveaway types: full cv, partial cv and no cv. Because let's face it... if we see someone who gives away mostly/only freebies (and win nice games, maybe even unbundled ones, while having 100's if not 1000's of games in their Steam library, plus a very nice gaming rig), we gonna judge. Isn't that also a source of insecurity for some? At this point... why not get rid of the blacklist too? After all, some people might not post on the forum because they are scared that what they say would get them blacklisted.

I hope I'm not coming off as aggressive or insensitive because that was not my intention. It's just that... I personally think that, yes, if you can't deliver the promised game, you should take the red mark and move on. It's no bid deal. But apparently, it's a very big deal for some and that, I really don't understand. It kinda makes me roll my eyes. And I guess I maybe had to vent off a bit and I chose to reply to your comment to do so. Sorry? In any case... as it is now, since it's easy to cheese the red marks by asking for deletion, CG should just get rid of the received/not received stats. There's no point of keeping the received/not received on our profiles if some all-green profiles are just a big lie and don't reflect reality. I don't know if that would be a lot of work for CG... but if it's not, maybe it would be for the best.

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Well, if deletions wouldn't be possible but 'Not received' marks wouldn't have a real adverse effect on the gifters then most people would probably not care about them any more. Which is not really what OP wants, I think.

To be honest so far I haven't deleted a single GA myself but I like it that the option is there. I've agreed to a few deletions as the winner. It feels nice, it's like being in a community where we have each others' backs.

You might be right about the judgement stuff. I'm just an anxious type. I used to feel bad about every blacklist I received (but I'm over it by now) and also reading on the forums how people judge other SG users used to make me feel insecure about my SG profile/activity. But most probably don't care that much so a new deletions stat or enforced 'not received' marks would likely get ignored largely.

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Did your blacklist count go up since you created this thread?

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Only single one on Thursday, so it might be the other thread too. Or I might have collected enough of them. Or someone noticed they are on my BL.

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Display the number of times the GA is deleted.
More than that...
Remove the reason for GA deletion.
Isn't this it?

What kind of behavior caused the GA to be deleted?
That's the question.
If those are the numbers, then it becomes a discussion of guilt, innocence, or emotion.

The reason why we are under pressure to remove GAs is that it would violate the terms of admission in SGTools.
Or is it the sight of each person viewing a profile that has been marked as "not received" or "accidental", scrutinizing the comments, and adding them individually to the block list?

I think it's safer to replace "reason" with "☑ not receive" for deletion.
"☑ not receive" →”reason" chenge(´>Θ<`)ゝ)

Currently, deleted GAs can be found in the archive.
https://www.steamgifts.com/archive/deleted
They are assigned a "reason".
Few people will look at them.
I sometimes look at them for various reasons.👀

We can leave the GA showing that there was an accident(reason) in the community.

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Good idea, because the site already shows "not received" count, without showing the reason (it may be an evil GA or an evil winner, or only something that went wrong). So... why not add the "deleted" count ? I would even want to see the opposite stat (the number of GA I entered that were deleted) to make it looks more "fair".

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This would only make people like me stop doing giveaways. I wouldn't even think about trying to do giveaways if it still showed no. of deleted giveaways. I simply wouldn't risk it at all.
At best, maybe do 1 giveaway for reaching level 1. That's the reason I joined groups like "lootboy" or "delete giveaway if key doesn't work".
But I am hundred percent sure the only use of this option would be more restricted giveaways with sgtools and more requirements for joining a group.

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I'd like the inverse as well,
Number of times winner has agreed to delete a giveaway. 🤣

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The real problem is that the rules loophole of "please allow me to delete this giveaway" has been supported by the moderators so people can keep their records clean on some unaffiliated third-party site. Rather than a visible counter of deleted giveaways, I'd rather see people actually have to take their "Not Received" feedback the way the site is actually intended to work, so if someone gives away a lot of shady maybe-working keys, you can see that before entering their giveaways and have some level of confidence that someone with a clean record is actually going to give you the key.

TL:DR: Ban "please agree to delete" giveaways to solve this problem..

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This is totally false. The 'please allow me to delete' disclaimers are not binding and are not supported by SG moderators. They won't delete a GA if the winner doesn't agree even if it has such a disclaimer. This rules loophole simply doesn't exist.

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This..

And also.. It should be made clearer how the not received works.. (I never had a problem so far but you never know.. I'd like to know)

I don't mind any of those options as I don't judge by those stuff alone.. If I see a profile that mostly giveaway feuda keys for example.. Yeah I already know that I have good chances to get a duplicate key. But some very old keys might turned out dupes even if they were bought from a trusted site.. I'm not opposed to any of this as they don't matter much to me anyway but since you lose 1 spot per deletion you can't ONLY have horrible ga's..

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It's supported in that if the winner agrees, support deletes the giveaway.

I'm not saying the condition is enforceable. I'm saying that even asking for that kind of agreement should be against the rules, because it circumvents the purpose of giveaway feedback if the winner agrees. Right now, if a person has perfect feedback, they may not have delivered the key every time. This is why Ekaros wants to see the number of deleted giveaways, to know who is making that offer and using it frequently. I propose just banning that kind of deletion, which will accomplish the same result.

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It is supported in a way that they agree to it. Instead just stating to mark it Not Received.

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I'm kinda mixed here.
Certainly it is more interesting when someone creates 5 Death Stranding, Cyberpunk etc. giveaways and then deletes them (Whitelist-, Clickfarming) than various revoked, wrong keys over multiple years.
An extraordinary high number of deletions of finished giveaways sure would be interesting.


In the end I doubt this can be done neutral, a value that is not at least a bit frowned upon.
From moderators perspective this might look very different, I don't know how great these numbers are.

As mentioned there is the Archive https://www.steamgifts.com/archive/deleted which gives a non user specific view.


I think agreeing to deletion should be a common courtesy but not received giveaways often show more about gifter and winner as some number could.

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I can't think of a working way to separate those ga's you mentioned from simple "wrong time/game/whatever". It's extremely hard to make it work.. On the other hand why are they getting whitelists for such a thing? If I enter a huuuge ga over a game I really really want then I live the tab open and check the timer every now and then because I really wanna see if I'll win it.. If suddenly this ga is poof .. I'll notice.. But if I don't do this then I certainly won't whitelist somebody. (then again I don't do whitelist ga's yet as the my number is very small.. I don't use very much either list but whitelist I use a little bit more)

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Agreed with OP, those "let me delete if key doesn't work" requests that became really fashionable in the last few years annoy me to hell.

Own your mistakes or don't give away keys from shady sites... I can't see any other reason for these deletions than vanity. They lose the GA slot either way - if marked as not received or deleted.

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Bumb. This is still clearly needed.

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