Man, China does not care. I think I heard about Devotion. Even saw it on youtube. Honestly, if it was still available, I would try to buy it. The atmosphere was great.
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You can, not on Steam but DRM-free from their shop:
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The soundtrack is still available :( https://store.steampowered.com/app/1026010/Devotion__Original_Soundtracks/
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I wonder if people there can at least download their purchased games or if they are completely f*ed. CDN should be different than store/community but it's not clear so far I guess. Also probably means death of Steam in China, who's gonna rush to join a 57 game network?
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Truly the better 'democracy' there... Really sucks for everyone who spend money on things they can't use anymore.
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CCP do not care, they even force harvest organs, when party member need new heart or liver.
They newest genetic project research is to increase average life span party member to 150 years.
They already abounded all values of humanity.
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I will never understand how people follow those dictators of thought for so long facepalm
Poor gamers :c
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Not everyone does, but those who don't are in jail.
It's a good incentive to keep your mouth shut and behave...
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Excessive gaming sessions and online media consume is really good? Hardly any chinese can see normally without glasses anymore.
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I'm amused how the game industry making kowtows for such a long time gets rekt by the CCP nevertheless. Morale of the story: don't go to bed with dictatorial governments.
Feeling bad for Chinese gamers and developers though.
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Have you any sense how big of a problem in china is? Last time I heard that less than 5% of adults can't see normal anymore.
Their consumption of online content/gaming is far out of the window. But yeah shit on something you don't even know the intention.
How could they dare to maybe solve a health problem this large?
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Q.Q more. Nothing to contribute? Go troll somewhere else.
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Last time I heard that less than 5% of adults can't see normal anymore.
Wait, so basically 95% of adult Chinese population have perfect eyesight? That's an impressively healthy nation. Or maybe you've meant something else?
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Sorry the can't should be a can. Most chinese need glasses today and it gets even worse over time due how their consumption of online media etc. is.
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Please don't spread lies about "online" media magically causing bad eyesight.
Every nation's citizens consume "online" media which does not seem to affect their vision.
Every nation's citzens, even if they consume media (not just the "online" kind), on their tvs/screens/lcds/phones, don't have increasing eye damage to the huge 95% you are saying.
Poor eyesight comes from far more factors then that, major causes are physical damage directly caused by pollution and genetics.
Trying to scapegoat online media for cause of bad eyesight.
Even trying to scapegoat screens (tv/phones/pc/etc.) won't work.
From my understanding, if your claim that 95% of chinese have bad eyesight, it is clearly not from screens or "online" media.
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As I work in a job directly related to this problem I have direct and from other sources evidences that excessive/longer periods of online media consume/gaming leads to certain eyeproblems. And it's back uped in most states eyesight decay of modern age.
So who is your evidence outside of your opion?
And poor eyesight you mention has 0 to do with my stated problem. The problem of myopia is drastically increasing due the increased consume of media and gaming(the problem is the change of lifestyle and the close proximity). While you are right, that gaming etc. isn't the sole problem or cause, it's drives it further up and do it in other countries as well.
So limiting/baning things related to it don't solve the problem(eyesight don't come back), but it decrease the problem afterwards and for further generations.
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Yes, we should ban dangerous things because the public cannot possibly be mature enough to be responsible for their own lives. Hell, why even have free will? I mean, it just leads to people getting hurt. If only everyone followed the orders given by the infallible government.
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You are an idiot and humanity has proved you already wrong countless times.
Else explain so many death in traffic, drugs, gang wars etc. when the people are sooooo mature.
Dude really google addiction and how it is devoloping before you post such nonsense.
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You are an idiot and humanity has proved you already wrong countless times.
Else explain so many developments in science, medicine, technology, infrastructure, government etc. when the people are soooo mature.
Dude really google self-discipline and how it is developing before you post such nonsense.
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Wow you are really a big retard really.
Technology developmet != mature
Society != self-discipline.
Wars are increasing.
Drug abuse is increasing.
Addiction is increasing.
When you think poeple would be sooo mature. why does it need new rulings, bans etc.?
Provide data to backup your false claims. And I bet what you can provide can easily be shown as wrong.
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Are you really claiming that the decision was to protect peoples eyesight? Because I don't think showing effeminate men is a factor in that. ;P
Banning content doesn't solve a health problem of screentime exposure.
Limiting specifically videogame consumption doesn't solve a health problem of screentime exposure.
Even if we pretend that the ban was about eye health and was a well-measured response, that also still doesn't touch upon the fact that Hbarkas was remarking on the (worldwide) industry moderation and how it ultimately didn't matter.
They're not shitting on anything, they're using basic observation and making a simple remark. If you're going to jump up someones ass, its usually better to open up with something compelling otherwise it just betrays where you're actually gunning from, y'know?
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No.
You have different insight? You know the truth?
Or just commit to the internet trolls and stating your opinion despite knowing anything about the reason?
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Yes, and I already gave you that insight. Banning effeminate men does not protect peoples eyesight. Banning specifically videogames that are not approved does not protect eyesight. Applying the time limit rule to videogames and not all digital screens does not protect eyesight. Therefore we can in the very least conclude that it either has nothing to do with eye health, or their choice of measures is terribly designed (at best). We can also observe thhat because of the severity of their restrictions on the general internet, they prefer to control information tightly. Together, we can extrapolate that they view videogames as a potential source of 'problematic' information they want to control, along with showing 'problematic' values they do not approve of, so seek to control it.
To also repeat my other point, they were 'shitting on' nothing, they were observing global moderation matters, and how it ultimately did not matter. That wasn't "trolling", and neither was my post, it was simply showing you their thoughts. Or in my case, a general rundown of why I hold that opinion (which you have failed to address), and have instead chosen accuse the speakers.
Yes, it is an opinion, but so is your standpoint. The difference is that your opinion did not hold up to scrutiny, whereas the counterpoint was more grounded in rationality. If you feel the opinion is incorrect, then refute it. Merely trying to diminish the speaker shows that you little else to offer and comes across as childish.
You gave your opinion. People replied with theirs. This is how public forums work.
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Yeah banning can't solve the problem. For this generation. That's a matter of logic. You can't reverse such changes just with a reduction or limit, that is out of control. For such a help other things are needed.
It was an example of how they try to make a balance.
The limit for videogames could be more than just being viewed as problematic information. It could be more of the dependence from people for it.
Rationality what? Just making a claim without any backup is now how more facts than my statement? And you didn't provide any insight how or why they decided so nor someone else, so it's all guesswork. And that is something you call more logical? That's total nonsense actual. Opinion != fact
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I provided my 'backup' along with my original post. My second post was just repeating what I had already said.
I provided 'insight' by demonstrating how your claim about eyesight did not stand to scrutiny.
Unless you are going to substantiate your own viewpoint as fact, then kindly stop fixating on my rebuttal as 'opinion' when all you have offered is opinion also. Apply your standards to your own posts before you try to fling them at someone elses, thanks.
And no, it is not 'all guesswork', I was able to point out critical flaws in your standpoint, which pointed to two conclusions : That either your supposition was wrong, or those enacting the measures were glaringly incompetent. When I offered my own opinion, I showed why I held it, and built it upon standing patterns. So yes, I do in fact call that more logical.
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Since when is backing a nonsense post in any form a fact? Guessing in the blue with accusing left and right is since when the truth?
I gave you my opinion not a fact. But you think your post show any fact is beyond belief.
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"Early laboratory research using animal models suggested that excessive blue light exposure could damage some sensitive cells in the retina, the layer of nerve cells behind the eyeball. It can lead to eyestrain and focusing problems, but no research has conclusively shown that blue light causes long-term harm, eye disease, or retina damage."
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And what do you want to prove with that?
It's a study about nothing for the matter in the thing I mentioned.
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How do you mean? You claim that you get bad eyesight from sitting in front of a monitor. This says that there is no evidence for that.
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Sorry but you really belive such a study prove anything in that matter?
- It's just a single study.
- It's not even about the subject I'm talking about - Myopia.
- It's only about animals, not humans.
- It's not even there anymore?!
So please post again/another form.
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Oh come on. And what problem are they trying to solve by banning boys band and anything they think promote "effeminate men"?
It's a dictatorship and their only goal is to restrict freedom of thought and to make people work even more than they already do.
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I don't know what they are trying to do with it. Noone really knows.
But it must feel so cool and awesome to spread the common troll phrases for you right?
You know the truth? You know the reason why they did this? Then post them! Enlight us. Else you are nothing else than other trolls growing balls with such nonsense statements to feel supreme how THEY KNOW or why it happened.
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Why are you out here pretending nobody knows how dictatorships work? It's not a big mystery, all you need to do is read a history book
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So you set restrictions and bans instant as dictatorship? Then democracies must be dictatorships as well!
And no the line between such things can be quite thin. And declaring those as some is not right.
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False equivalency, their conduct as whole makes it a dictatorship, not just these issues being discussed
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Go back to school and learn the difference between dicatorship and other forms of ruling.
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Sure, I guess having "People's democratic dictatorship" literally written into their constitution was just a funny prank
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he's Chinese, at least ethnicity, and shilling for the mainland. Accounts like this on sites with downvotes usually get buried right away. Also, holy shit, the Steamgifts profile. 420:1?
I think that's a new record for me noticing leeches.
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Internet trolls like you don't know shit about someone else but making false claims and accusations must make you proud eh? I'm not a chines nor affiliated to them. Just the idiocity in this thread is astounding.
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So, you admit that what the CCP is doing in limiting the free will of its people is authoritarian and nonsensical, but you just have complete blind faith the they must surely be doing it altruistically and for the people's own good? Well if that's not a cult-like devotion to a government then I don't know what is.
China is well-known for having farms of trolls come on Western websites (sites that even its own regular people are forbidden from accessing) and spout false support for its government's behaviour. They are also known for being hypocritical and accusing others for the dodgy shit that they are doing, or using whataboutism to change the subject when they know what's happening is wrong. And here you are, spreading lies and shilling for a genocidal dictatorship, constantly bringing up "what about USA?" when you have no convincing arguments; all straight from the Wumao playbook, and you have the audacity to accuse everyone else of being trolls? I would hope Xinnie the Pooh is paying you well to deep-throat his "propaganda", but it's no secret why they call you the 50 cent army.
And the reason they did this is obvious to anyone with more than 2 brain cells - CCP doesn't like its citizens exposed to foreign media. It's a cultural tool, a source of information that they aren't able to control (god knows they try, with Tencent buying up game studios left and right, and Hollywood forced to cater to Chinese audiences to be one of the handful of films permitted to screen in that market - other countries would be ashamed at this blatant pandering, but China lacks such self-awareness). Viewing this content might give the citizens ideas, like how controlling their government is or that freedom is worth fighting for. It also provides a form of entertainment, and if you let the citizens have some joy in their lives they might seek more of it, and that's unhelpful when your goal is to brainwash your people into being mindless drones working 20 hours a day to prop up a failing economy.
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Free will != freedom. Not everything must be allowed. Not everything must be tolerated.
You know the growing market of gaming? The excesses? No?
Maybe they went over with it with such a move. Maybe they indeed just want to ban it outright. They don't tell, but you don't make guesswork you just tell them the evil without real evidence.
I bring up USA as those are the major china is evil claiming ones. And what you do is typical for a troll insulting and imaginering what the other is like. I'm critical to many things, but you just follow the propaganda it seem?
Just because other countries allow a lot of shit must it be the same for china etc.?
Must every country decay as a form of FREEDOM FOR ALL?
Maybe they stepping up way to hard, but that is maybe because we are at the state, that any minor limit is already to much and we forgot that there is a limit for society to peaceful live and work together and everything else must be sacrificied for the personal freedom.
I can'T get something? Dictatorship! Censur! LIMIT OF MY FREEDOM! Sounds quite the bullshit or?
And for a failing economy they are the biggest growing economy world wide. While they do it on the backs of their population, but which country in such a state isn't it? Or the einvironment? Can you say it?
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Nice to see you have no rebuttal for my arguments. It's sad that you think the Chinese people are so useless and inferior that they can't be trusted to live their own lives freely. Is this the "racism" the glass hearts in Beijing are always complaining about? You're so brainwashed I bet you think the CCP should decide what you eat every day. If we let people choose they might eat something unhealthy! What a joke.
Ok wumao troll. You got your 50 cents, nobody is convinced by your bullshit, you've failed. Move on, before daddy Xinnie decides its your turn to be run over by tanks.
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No rebuttal to my arguments wumao?
Lol how sad :D
Why don't you ask daddy Xi how to feel about it, since you're unable to think for yourself.
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Wow. Breathe man. I don't know why you're acting as if everyone with an opinion that differs from yours is "trolling" or coming at your personally but I'm sure it's nothing a little therapy and mild medication can't help with. Good luck and if all else fails, you can still move to China, the land of neverending happiness.
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China is literally the worst place in the world isn't it? Yet... they've practically cucked the entire world so no one cares.
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Having way better health/education and some more factors than USA, make that then the hell of earth?
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Whinny the Pooh. Uyghars. Tiennemen Square. Hong Kong, Tibet, Taiwan. Tell me how great China is
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Probably because CCP censors what you are allowed to see so you don't see the atrocities they commit daily.
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And? How exactly is that affecting me or how exactly is that making living in china/as chinese worse?
People pull BS to say something as hell when it's hardly is it.
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How is a religious genocide of uyghars Muslims affecting you, and how exactly is that making living in China worse? If you aren't a complete sociopath you shouldn't have a difficult time finding an answer to those questions.
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Before that shit went to TV I never heard nor did I know about them, so I don't care about those.
Religion is something of the matter of yourself. For some it's total nonsense, some other it's the meaning of live and other don't care as they know it's something wars can start.
And genocide show the propaganda type of your message.
Forced education to belong to the country they live is something to say, genocide show pure hate.
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You don't care about them because before you heard about them being in concentration camps you didn't know any of them. How exactly am I spreading propaganda when the CCP is openly detaining, enslaving and executing them? It doesn't matter what religion is to anyone, it isn't a reason to genocide people
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Yeah I don't care about people so far away with a program that don't kill them.
It happens in a lot of countries in different ways.
And they don't kill them, so it's not a genocide. Using that is an abuse and a way of propaganda(spreading the ultra evil word with marking someone/something as the worst evil possible).
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Don't know what you mean with that, but how exactly is that related to native chinese or in any way of living?
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How much Social Credits do you get paid to be "a plug in any hole"? In every thread where the communards are "offended", you have already wrote.
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Eh? I write only in this thread, so go back to your cave troll.
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China is literally the worst place in the world isn't it?
Far from it. There's North Korea, there's Afghanistan (the regime is in the process of building there still, but the vector is quite unambiguous unfortunately), there are multiple African countries.
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I think all the countries you mentioned are equally shitty.
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One of my colleagues visited 'the worst place in the world' last summer. She is ecstatic about it.
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And you fall victim to anti-china propaganda then?
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Well, sorry to say that she was setting the bar pretty low. Then again, being a tourist is one thing, because you get to keep your basic rights with you the entire time, and you get to leave at the end.
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The worst part is most countries, brands etc have such a hardon for the size of the Chinese market and the mostly untapped consumer market that they are willing to look the other way whatever happens... only to get the door slammed in their faces when they don't grease the Chinese government enough to be let in.
So not only are they ok with the worst abuses of basic rights but it doesn't even get them the $$$ they are hungering for. Sad and pointless
Not even talking about how they loooove Chinese factories (talk about a communist country)
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https://twitter.com/PlayerIGN/status/1474703224678404096
I don't think it's banned.
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China is really ramping up the censorship, if I remember correctly that usually happens when a government fears that something bad (for said government, not people in general) is about to happen.
I hope the Chinese people get a better government system at some point, I just don't wanna see it being the thing that triggers WW3.
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I don't see how this would trigger WW3, they are totally winning the lifestyle conquest as every single country is embracing their Social Credit system while pretending only China is the Evil Empire (TM)
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WW3 will be started by USA. Chinese follow the rule of supremacy via diplomacy and will.
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Either of the two could start it, neither is particularly trust worthy in that aspect.
I think that nobody should rule over others, nor is supremacy a good thing to aspire to when submition is implied to carry rather nasty consequences for a group, something kind of unavoidable in international politics.
There's a big difference between order and stomping on those that disagree.
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USA did that quite a long time and will do it in future too.
So when China try to do it it's bad?
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That's like a bully saying that because someone else also bullies smaller kids it's fine if they do it too. That's not how morality works as far as I know, you can't just point at one bad thing already existing to justify adding to the problem.
I'm not going to defend the states, they're imperialistic assholes, so I'm not going to just agree to someone else being one just because they feel it's their turn at being a dick to everyone else.
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Dude you have a clue about morality? USA make supreme claims and how the world (mostly) should work despite how each region, religion, country and what not is quite contrary to the extreme. Not every morality have to be right. Democracy was an utter fail for afghanistan. Everyone said it's moralish right for that country to must have democracy despite how the country, the people work and live.
Morality can be deadly wrong as it turns the world just in good and evil, wrong and right. It's mostly abused by people to use their false supremacy to give a reason to rule over others. So yeah, who cares, when such big bully of USA is still out there making terror against a lot of states etc. because of their morality claims etc.? Who exactly claims the RIGHT morality? It's just an argument to legitimate your own agenda and supremacy over others.
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And? That's a honest saying compared to most that scream on screen meanwhile not really caring or just following a propaganda line/group.
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You criticised someone about "morality" while consciously and knowingly waving off the subject of literal concentration camps.
When this was pointed out, your only defense was to deflect without acknowledging, and regurgitate more accusations of propaganda with nothing to support it.
All this has done is cemented our point. Your hypocrisy is astounding.
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Your point about what?
You sound quite idiologie narrow minded.
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Pointed out.
Pointed. Out.
As in, highlighting. Bringing to attention. Marking as of immediate note.
Being against concentration camps or treating an entire people as subhuman doesn't make me narrow minded, nor does it make it an entire idealogy.
Jesus.
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And I pointed out how USA do that for a real long time and noone cares about their actions in any way. And suddenly when china pull it it's extremely bad. Makes no sense or? Pointing should be on all bad things, not just on one.
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Dude, at least pretend to follow the conversation.
Don't talk shit about peoples morality when in the very same thread you give a pass to concentration camps because "well other people do it".
If the idea that evil already exists/happens elsewhere is all the justification you need to be fine with / actively defend it, then that's just further cementing that you are in no position to posture about moral superiority.
And you say "noone cares about their actions in any way" while talking about america, but there was, is, and always has been MASSIVE ongoing criticism towards them. Even from their own citizens. Even from their own political candidates. And celebrities. Highly televised. Highly widespread. Complete with huge protests and legal challenges.
Also stop fixating on america already, it's fucking weird. We're not talking about america.
But I mean, I know you'll just ignore that like everything else you ignored while shilling, but whatever.
I'm so done with this idiocy. Consider me out
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That's utter nonsense. If you read carefully, I don't write I pass on it because other do it, I pass on it as I can't change it(or better said it would be troublesome to do something in that matter). I have own problems and there are bigger/more important probelms as that. That's my statement. Selfish? Maybe, Ignorance? Could be. But don't pretend to be better or other if you don't do jackshit in that matter yourself. It's just a lie to you and others and especially for that case.
People != polititians.
And no I don't talk about USA only. Many countries gave a statement, but only a few take any actions in this cause.
It's a good propaganda thing to blind the masses about bigger problems/more important ones.
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It's hard not to care at least a bit, when you know whatever BS the Chinese government is doing, tons of other governments in the world (including mine, and probably yours too) will see it as a model of population control and try to apply it. In my country, they're not even hiding anymore, they say "hey China did it and it works nice, let's do it too!". That's pretty much how we got all the covid pass crap implemented so fast everywhere.
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It's not about caring, it's more about relative things. Why should I waste my time and work for that cause?
It's far from me and neither really important nor big of a cause.
If we set it as standard, there are way more important things to do first before we investigate such a cause. But it's easier to spread propaganda about such a small issue in the world than carring about bigger issues in the world.
How about you organize something for them? Else you are just he same, just lie to yourself and everyone else that really take action for this cause.
And covid pass is something needed for the entire health care. You must some of those retards that think covid isn't harmful? Come back when you lost 5+ that were close to you due that shit.
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Then just go live in China if you like their system so much... Maybe trade your place outside with one of the many Chinese who can't stand their government or even are on their government's hit-list?
You'll enjoy all the safetyness features of living in a jail. Freedom is so dangerous after all.
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Are you finished with your bs?
Not any answer to my post?
And in every country are sepcimen that dislike/hate their goverment. Don't make another one better or worse.
When you don't want to live in rules, then look up an island or a country with hardly any.
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I mean, how many governments are at that level of trashiness?
https://www.scmp.com/tech/big-tech/article/3160670/apache-log4j-bug-chinas-industry-ministry-pulls-support-alibaba-cloud
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While not the best, being an important partner in cybersecurity not reporting such a critical flaw to the government don't sounds trustworthy or?
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I guess I should have detailed a little bit more: they wanted the 0-day for themselves.
Normal cybersecurity practices are to notify the vendor first, like they did.
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So you mean reporting a critical flaw to other non-govermental ones is good?
That they actually could use it(or the others notified) themself?
Ignoring the fact, that they actually partnered up in a cybersecurity with chinese government?
Strange how you describe partnership with betrayal as base.
When at least one of those notified is an american company, then it would be clear how it actually goes.
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If you don't trust the vendor, you don't use their software.
If you do, they are the only ones you should report the vulnerability to, at least for a brief period of time.
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Who exactly claims the RIGHT morality?
How about the UN and human rights? Genocide and camps are things we shouldn't even need to discuss for quite some time.
Bringing up the USA is whataboutism or an attempt of counterattack. Not saying that they aren't to criticise, it's just not the topic of this discussion.
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Not every country is in the UN or follow what they decide.
The thing is, who can point it out? The UN is not a country itself and has no right over any country.
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Of course, if like here, 99% of humanity are trolls for you, I get that. But maybe.. just maybe, it's not the others who are wrong.
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Bs as response nothing else?
UN can decide a lot of things, but who exactly MUST follow it?
Or better asked, who exactly view AND do something against it?
The sad truth is, just many countries do things against humanity/morale, so there are very little left and compared to the major countries, they are barely a force.
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You seem to have assumed that the two things I said were just one and ended up misunderstanding me, sorry for that, I should have been clearer about that.
I don't think THIS particular event is going to cause WW3, I just see this as yet another move from a government that's desperately trying to control public opinion, and the only reason for them to be this heavy handed I could think of at that moment was that they suspected their grip on power was slipping. Power corrupts, and it also breeds paranoia.
The second point I attempted to make was that I don't believe in throwing a whole country under the bus just because their leaders are assholes, everyone deserves better than to be ruled by a dictator. It's just that when it comes to a major power internal struggles could escalate into a global conflict. The same could happen if the US collapses in a particularly messy way, and no country (or more accurately state) is eternal, they'll all fall eventually, some are bound to do so in a particularly catastrophic manner.
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Will people in China give up if their Steam game keys don't work? (or sell them?)
Or
Will people in China migrate to countries where Steam game keys are available?
Or
Will the people of China ”change to a country” where Steam game keys are available?
I don't know much about this planet.┐(´Θ`)┌🌏
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I don't believe in throwing a whole country under the bus just because their leaders are assholes, everyone deserves better than to be ruled by a dictator.
Yeah when I say "China" I mean their government and their "system", not the whole country (and particularly, not the citizens who oppose said system and are stuck suffering from it)
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WW3 wont be started between countries, it will start in USA and West-EU as civil war.
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Hi ngrazer,
did you found the full list with 57 games to share please?
I wonder if they actually have quality games there, old-school folks lived happily with just two major titles: Quake & CS
Also worth to note that we all live on the same planet, with hypocrisy, fake freedom of speech and no democracy on a global scale.
:)
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Coming soon to the rest of the world, along with the rest of the China Social Credit system...
Very sorry for the Chinese people... and very sorry for us soon
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False. Steam global version for China uses a different end. Its not .com, its cn. and one more, I cant remember it sadly. Those arent banned.
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Steam? What you on about. This wasnt reported by Valve.
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Nothing from Valve tho. Unless they say Steam is blocked, this seems like just the .com domain being blocked. People pointed out that China doesn't even use those domains for its global steam website.
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im guessing that means we'll be seeing an increase in global prices (again) to offset those loses. consumers always lose.. publishers never, ever do.
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We always imagined it as post-apocalyptic, but this is what a dystopia actually looks like.
Cyberpunk was more fun when it was fiction.
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The CCP wants a monopoly on femboys and I won't stand for it.
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This might sound callous but every country has their own problems, and it is very hard to help or share your views with someone who does not want it (this goes for mental health as well). I will leave China's problems to their own citizens.
On the bright side, there's nothing wrong with physical card and board games, and mahjong.
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If I agree with one decision, then that is the banning of cryptocurrencies. Looks like China more progressive with enviromentalism than EU green parties. Cryptocurrencies extreme energy waste and result extreme CO2 production...
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Cute of you to think that China banned cryptocurrencies because of the environment and not because they'd have no control over it.
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You think they can pull energy out of their ass like some phantasm other countries' polititians think?
1 billion population and it's still growing with energy needing.
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Go to school. Coal is not the only energy source on earth and it is certainly not the cleanest one.
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How about not talking from a 3rd world country?
Other forms of energy are quite limited to use, with either the risk or possiblity.
Else please post your country you are from and let's see if it's in the top 10 countries of the world.
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Not talking from a 3rd world country? Do you need your state mandated glasses checked?
Are you saying coal is clean now? Good to breathe in?
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Are you an idiot or just can't comprehend it? The energy they need is hardly doable by other forms of plants etc.
So please state your 3rd world country that can live without coal plants?
Want to see if my guess is true and you are trolling with such a low nation.
I mean comparing your country to china with their excessive energy demand?
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Learn English better. nobody is saying that coal doesn't provide energy, numb nuts. I stated a fact that China is still building new coal plants and you are so insecure that instead of just accepting the fact as a fact that coal is not in fact energy efficient, nor does it reduce carbon emissions, that you even try to defend coal. Haven't you met your internet quota for the day?
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You are just a retard. Learn to read.
Other type of energy require way higher input. But that's something you can't comprehend apparently.
Else explain how such a big country could solve their energy demand of those 200 coal plants? I guess you can't because you are just to retarded to understand how the world works.
And no I'm not defending coal.
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You aren't speaking English. You can't start a sentence with "Else explain". Learn to read. China is a gorgeous place with an absolute shit government.
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Troll answer.
Give a real answer or go back to your troll cave.
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Troll answer? How is China doing anything positive for the environment?
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Per Capita compared to the United States that is much worse. It's great to see electric vehicles being constructed there but the CCP refuses to show up to climate pledge meetings, and refuses to set goals. Factor in all of the destruction and pollution they produce from their belt and road initiative and you have one of the highest polluting countries in the world as well.
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And yet you still dodge my question and troll around you troll. No answer?
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i don't owe you anything. you've contributed nothing to this community and you continue to contribute nothing to it.
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troll is the only person in this topic cheering on a dictatorship with absolutely no criticism of them whatsoever? you don't even belong here. i would rather live under a bridge than in china.
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i mean youre the only troll xenon
i mean you have like 30posts and your only Arguments are "Troll" "prove your claim"
"retard"
You gave not one answer to any other question.
So from your comments we should eliminate your voice of speech,because clearly youre a goverment minions that likes war,destruction money laundry&every other evil deed.
I mean seriously can you read what bullshit youre writing.
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Which questions didn't I answer?
And what's that for a reason? And yeah asking for claims for bs accussations is a thing.
But you must live in post-factional time as like all trolls of that matter do?
A question for you is: In which country do you live and what goverment you have to actually call me a goverment minion?
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Yes, China totally banned crypto because they care for the environment. Lol
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Imagine shilling for Chinese government at this day and age. Some people never stop surprise me. China is what dystopian authoritarian regime like from book 1984 will look like and considering success of it many countries will follow. Russia basically already there and even democratic states not safe from becoming like one of them.
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So you mean democracy like USA where one president could have caused a civil war(because of non-legitimate the right process of democratic call)?
Democracy had gone over their legitimation in most cases as they are abused by parties for their own agenda and propaganda. No system is perfect and claiming one is better than another just show how clueless the person is saying so.
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Coulda, shoulda, woulda dont cut it, it didn't happen but oppression of masses in China is reality. And acknowledgement of decent democratic system is a fact that even idiot as president of US not damaged overall situation beyond repair. No system is perfect is good argument, but will you defend Nazi regime of Hitler with same vigor just because England ravaged their colonies and USA responsible for Native American genocide and slavery? I am claiming that Hitler system of ruling or Stalin system of ruling significantly worse than of capitalistic states of that time, do you care to explain how that stance is clueless?
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Beyond repair is something very dangerous to state. Noone knows for sure IF it can be overcome. The hate and the disbalance and the faith in democracy got a very bad hit and is still under fire.
Nazi regime need to be differed quite extrem. The extinction, the war or other systemvalues? What's exactly your intention?
Can't tell much about stalin, so guessing in the blue.
And if we value that, how can be the war crimes of england and especially USA(mass-murder and genocide strategy) be better? The truth is: No system is in itself good. At best a system is neutral. Claims that something is evil/better comes from the inherent evil with the people claiming. And claims something is better than/morale superior are super dangerous as they easily lead to a 2-sided worldview only. And that is quite the evil in itself.
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How is having zero opposition parties, no acknowledgment of other nationalities like Uyghurs or abandoning even changing Party Chairman policy is good exactly? How having no second opinions about anything can be good for country? How death of 55 million people because of famine caused by Mao policy can be neutral? People literally got their food stolen by government because system demanded it, same happened during Stalin industrialization. But i guess all dead people pretty happy now because on their bones factories were built.
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So you mean splitting the people in two mostly each other hating parties, bringing them close to a civil war and suppressing minorities is better? Don't know mao. And with a population past 500M? it can be quite a task to feed all.
China is happier than most other countries. Wealthier than 85% of the rest of the world. Freedom != getting all and everything at any time. That's something most have to learn. Suppressing seem bad, but you don't know what other factors can cause as harm. Freedom as they want? Democracy in a population over 1 billion people? How should they rule? Dividing into several opposing parties making their own agenda, creating hate and fiendship and demonising the other sides?
It's easy to claim false good things like having two or more parties is good. But the truth is: It's dividing people, lowering the whole progression of the nation and its spirit.
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Were did you get a data from China happiness? People literally killing themselves from work at Chinese factories, must be because they so happy to work for small wages with 12 hour shifts and 2 days off in a month without even a union protection. For a communist state that have one of the mottos of defending working class its pretty ironic and sad.
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Wealth and consumption is growing for a major part of chinese population. I don't have exact numbers, so yeah it's a guess from me from that point. You have data especially of the contrary?
Communism is more of an idiology.
The capitalism is the one they work with(just looking at the numbers how much of world directly or indirectly manufactore/are depending on chinese workpower).
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Who should i believe =(: https://twitter.com/PlayerIGN/status/1474703224678404096
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China sucks the sooner they are told they are not the most important place in the universe the better
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And which place should be more important? USA? EU?
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nowhere and certainly not China - i won't support China's bulling of their media - support the government or get "eliminated"
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But you imply with your statement that someone is actually superior to them so they can tell them they suck. Don't make sense or?
So working against your goverment is in which country allowed/liked?
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plenty of places like UK, USA, most of Europe you can have freedom of speech and like you see on tv you see them have pops at royal and government all the time but the one time that tennis star said she had a go at the government - she was removed from public and only just came back to basically say what she said was false (more like she was threaten with all sorts if she didn't bow down)
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So you mean the decay in some countries is nice because people think freedom of speech mean they can say everything and anything like hate and the like?
And the tennis star was 'removed' due an accusation against a high one.
You really think another country would love such things?
And when I look at my country freedom of speech is quite limited(though it's mostly due covid rules).
There need to be rules as not everything said or done is good.
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Seriously, there's something wrong with them, lol. XP
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please run away from this stupidity - they already got me but you still have a chance to save yourself
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I looked at your Steam profile and there is USA. Are you lying? Because in USA you can say whatever you want. If you dont support current government, you can wait for next elections. Or you can be working in politics and change things. You can do whatever you want with your life. And yes, you can work against your government and its allowed and its OK. But in China? You cant say simple "Fuck you Winnie the Pooh!" without disappearing from life and from world
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+1 i live in the UK and when ever you see tv shows like have i got news for you or mock the week (two well respected and long running shows on the BBC that i love) they are always making fun of celebrities and people in government
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So making a joke of politians with death threats etc. is good?
While some shows are okay, not everything is okay and a form of respect. That's something people have to learn.
And in the asian culture respect of the other is a form of discipline and major part of their society. So they are stricter, especially for officials regarding that. In my country the respect for politians etc. is decaying and go more and more into the death threat etc. line of 'speech'. You support this?
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excuse me - having respect for some one is one thing but being forced almost at the point of death to say everything that a government does is completely different
Also are you really respected if you nearly have to "silence" a whole country with hash and life changing punishment - yeah they are really respected for that - big respect (make sure to say you agree with me 100% of the time every time or you'll never see your family again)
do you support that - you would rather be forced to live in a country that tells you what to do all the time and think all the time - fine with me but as rubbish as the UK is i'd pick to live here any day compared with a place like China
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The question is are those really that harsh or do they appear to extreme due how other have no or nearly no punishment for extreme hate speech etc.?
It's sad indeed, on the other side who exactly is against what?
And following the rule is now how exactly bad? You seem to make a minority the big potion of the mass??
It's okay when you or I don't (want) to live there. But must YOUR point be the point of the masses? No.
And that's the point: YOU or other don't decide how or what rules THEY must/should follow.
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Running out of anything to back up your false claims?
Nothing to prove? How pathetic.
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are you still going on about this what is your deal - i mean what do you want me to beg your forgiveness or something are you that shallow - i could use facts (as i have done plenty already) and news articles till the day i drop dead but you still wouldn't believe me so i gave up wasting my time with you (yes that is the final thing you will get from me on this)
i already dislike people like you who are all take, take, take and never give back - so i'll just blacklist you and move on and hope you can do the same
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Bye troll! As I know it you run out of arguments and facts to back them up.
Live your idiotic life in your troll cave.
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you win go tell all your friends (not that you have any) that someone you will never meet and don't know gave up having a stupid argument with you on something you clearly know nothing about - if yu want you ego boost then fine "YOU WIN" happy now?
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Respect is important thing. But it most work in both ways! China's government is respecting only THEIR will. Thoughts of "greatest imperator of China" = Xi Jinphing are sacred and you are forced to agree with it. And if you dont agree? Shut up and pretend you agree. You have no other options. It's bad. I was born to country with totalitarian regime and it was bad, same as in today' China (Or Russia, North Korea etc.) and it was bad in every way. I dont want it again
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Question is, why should I say otherwise?
You make as the mass IS FORCED to that. WHat is, when the mass is actually okay with that? That they simply don't dislike/hate/disagree with that? Because of a load minority? Because of excessive tv reports?
WHere are the other 900M people?
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so just because someone says something it means they believe it then?
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Yes, majority of people is forced to that. Everything is censored, independent medias are banned, those who talk are silenced,... Because regime has FEAR from free will of people; its not for protecting people from "evil world", its for protecting "more equal than others" (Orwell - Animal Farm)
So yes, people are forced to "agree" with regime, they can't say anathing different. 1000M of people in China are silenced (+ people in another countries with dictators regimes)
But some people are agreeing with this regimes. Mostly those, who are most incompetent and most selfish, those, who are with anyone, who can provide them benefits - and it is sad... :-(
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Don't make false claims. How do you know that all chinese think different/feel the difference?
Back it up with data how many chinese don't like their goverment/the censor etc. Else you make just propaganda claims.
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It's simple - experiences from post-communistic countries in Middle/East Europe and from other countries, in which were totalitarian regimes. It's always the same - "official numbers" are saying everyone is happy, nobody wants change, situation is ideal; but reality is totally different.
And you convicted yourself from lying (with indirect proof). I asked you to your contry, in which are you living - it was, of course, without any answer. On your Steam profile is USA. But time of your responses is pointing to east from Europe. You was writing when time on East coast of USA was 3:32AM. And when was there afternoon or evening? Silence... So sending you to China is pointless, you are (probably) from this part of world. You are lying in small things, you are lying in big things - it's one of our proverbs
This is last message from me, another proverb is "Dont feed the trolls", discusion with you is pointless
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Eh what? Which experiences? Can you link data? Else it's just another opinion of yours. Again another claim you make with NO BACKUP. And a sidenote: The the trust in democracy is falling(and the participation most times). Strange as only other forms of ruling are shit isn't it?
Another fact is, that someone can say they aren't happy(with your government) their life is the opposite of what they say(wealthy, healthy etc.). So what to trust?
I'm currently indeed in europe. So what exactly you want to know? The jackshit that is happening there? The government I hardly know? It's quite different from my home. To some part good and a few bad things.
You are the troll so yeah a discussion is useless as you just troll with nonsense answers.
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Apparently, Chinese Steam (with only 57 games approved - and thus available - at the moment) is the only option for people out there.
Players in China are reporting that the Steam storefront and all of the Steam community pages have been blacklisted, meaning they are no longer accessible in the country. Back in February, Steam China launched, with a much smaller collection of games on sale. This site is still up and running, but Steam Global, the full Steam site with far more games on offer, has been taken offline in the country on Christmas Day.
The move comes as a surprise, but fits with the pattern of the Chinese government's actions around video games in the past 12 months. Fortnite was shut down in China on November 15 this year. Children were limited to three hours of gaming a week, and cryptocurrency was banned. In order for new games to be allowed to be developed, they had to be free of several elements thought to be anti-Chinese, including the presence of "effeminate men". Two months after the restrictions, it was reported that not a single game had been approved.
Dota2 and CS:GO, two of the most popular games in China, are both on Steam China and will be largely unaffected by this decision. However, many other games, especially by smaller developers, rely on the huge audiences China offers in order to stay afloat. For example Monster Hunter World, by no means a small title, has more Chinese reviews on Steam than it does English language ones. Of the ten most recent reviews for It Takes Two, Game of the Year winner at The Game Awards, nine of them are Chinese. Call of Duty Mobile, though a mobile game and therefore not affected by Steam, has as many players in China as it does in the rest of the world combined. The nation is a huge market for developers, but without Steam, this market has been virtually snuffed out overnight, on Christmas Day.
The fact the site is blacklisted means Steam is not just temporarily down, but has been deliberately banned. Confirmation of this has been shared by users on Twitter, ResetEra, and Reddit.
It's unclear how this will affect Chinese games going forward. Most will still be able to land on Steam China, meaning they can still sell in the country, but if developer access to Steam Global is as restricted as player access, it may mean that Chinese devs need to partner with devs from outside China to land on the main Steam site - and doing so may risk missing out on Steam China. It's also unclear what this means for Devotion, the horror game infamously removed from Steam for disparaging references to Xi Jinping, China's head of state.
What is clear is that this is probably China's biggest restriction on the gaming industry yet.
Source: https://www.thegamer.com/steam-banned-china-christmas-day/
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