You can't. That site is abandoned, there is no mod, it's running by vote on review system.
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No one but scammers asks strangers to use Friends and Family; it's a very common method of doing things as there's no buyer protection. It also is cheating the system as it means the seller avoids the fees that they owe Paypal for using their service for a transaction. So it's not only scamming the user, it's scamming Paypal too.
Only use it if it's with someone that you'd literally trust to borrow money from you, and never for transactions between a buyer and seller. They're both setting you up to be scammed AND putting your account at risk by asking you to cheat the system for them.
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People use F&F for private sales all the time because no one wants someone to have to pay fees. They're not scamming you or scamming Paypal.
They have 260 positive feedback and no negative feedback. They weren't trying to scam you. Just delete your negative feedback and they'll delete the negative feedback that you gave them.
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Firstly: Why would I trust what they said after they already tried to scam me? Secondly, extortionary "revenge feedback" like that is clearly against Steam Trade's rules.
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Dude, how many hints do you need that you are wrong? I've never ever seen a game trade using PayPal that didn't rely on F&F.
The "investigation" you are hoping for would lead to the same result:
You are wrong.
Your expectations are unrealistic.
Your usage of the feedback system is wrong too.
And your attitude is pretty entitled and generally questionable.
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The whole Group Buys group operates with PP friends and family mode to keep costs down, after dozens if not a hundred+ transactions with no problems I think I can count on one hand how many trades happened outside of the F&F system.
You should not use F&F at a more expensive item (I have no idea how and what your trade was), but for a sub-5$ deal it's ridiculous to pay 1-3$ fees. With my usual bundle split I'd often pay about the same in fees as for the games (0.5-2$)
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+1
Never saw anyone using anything else than F&F in Group Buys group.
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You forgot to explain what happened in the trade. The other person has a 260/1 feedback (the 1 being you) and says you abandoned the trade and left bad feeback on the sheer suspicion of a scam, because of the Friends & Family thing. Is that so?
And by the way, F&F is standard, but you always have the option of not trading or not using F&F and paying the fees.
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That's not how Paypal works. Firstly, Friends and Family is not used for buyer/seller transactions. Secondly, buyer pays conversion fees (which I would have in this case since they're using a different currency from me), seller pays transaction fees. This is how Paypal works; if they're hiding the fees and not telling users the actual price they're asking, that's bait and switch, which in some places is even illegal.
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The price they're listing is the amount they want to receive. If you don't want to use F&F then you'd have to pay extra to cover the fees. There's nothing illegal about that. Are you expecting them to take a lose on a transaction because you're greedy?
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No, I'm expecting them to follow the same rules that everyone else does when selling with Paypal. I cover the fees when I'm seller because that's how Paypal works. I've been using it for years to sell things through eBay, Facebook, and a few times even on here- I have NEVER tried to trick someone into using Friends and Family for a buyer/seller transaction.
You know who I use Friends and Family for? My friends and my family.
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if they're hiding the fees and not telling users the actual price they're asking, that's bait and switch, which in some places is even illegal
Also not true.
You went on their trades post, where it clearly says:
- EU Paypal
- friends and family
It's obvious (just like that your hamster shouldn't go into the microwave) that if you want to use a different payment method or you have a non-Euro Paypal account, the resulting fees are your problem, not the seller's.
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You gave someone a malicious -rep for no reason and now complain here that you're the victim. As you've been told several times, F&F is the normal standard for these kinda trades. Of course if you're talking about $50 or even $500, you should be sure that the other party is a trustworthy decent human being.
Paypal 'without cheating the system' (lol) has its own lot of pitfalls, issues, and most importantly common scams. Though I suppose the vast majority of those scams are done by the buyer, since the buyer has all sorts of buyer protection on their side.
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I'm not being malicious, I'm just warning people about a known scammer. I've done a number of trades on here, most of them via Paypal- never once used Friends and Family because I'm not a scammer.
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How are they a known scammer? They're as known scammer as you are.
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F&F is an standard there as people already told you / 260 +rep tons of cash trade already done.
You really got salty for no reason and Im open to talk but you blocked me... so dunno man didnt do anything bad at you add me back if you want.
https://www.steamtrades.com/user/76561199096164013
https://imgur.com/OopufIZ
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I blocked you because you tried to scam me, and reported you as I'm supposed to as an upstanding member of the community. Beyond that, you literally left revenge feedback which is CLEARLY against the rules of feedback.
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Everyone seems to say you are in the wrong here exept you. Why did you leave a negative feedback to someone you didnt even trade with? lol
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So if someone asks for my credit card info, I can't report them unless I go through with it? I reported a known scammer.
Besides that, you can see that they're posting revenge feedback, which is clearly against the rules. Why are you blindly trusting them when you can see they don't care about the rules of the site?
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Yeah sure, he did 260 trades without problem just to scam specifically you.
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Where did I say I was the only person they scammed?
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You cleary wherent scammed. Noone else has left negative review so he is not a known scammer.
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You clearly missed the part where they used revenge feedback to try and pressure me into removing the negative feedback.
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I would have given you a negative feedback too if you made a false -rep.
Why dont you go to sleep and clear your head and then when you wake up you do the right thing.
Im going to bed now myself. Thanks for the good night laugh thread.
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You're feedback is also revenge feedback, since it's not based on any sold proof.
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That's not what revenge feedback is. Revenge feedback is clearly defined in the rules for feedback.
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Well it-s not revenge feedback but it goes against this rule "(i) to post negative comments when you disagree with someone's offer" so you're also breaking the rules. You didn't like their offer and left negative feedback, You just jumped through some mental hoops to justify your negative feedback.
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Explain how I tried to scammed you if I were the one that said sorry i dont want to trade with you that way? XD
Just read everyone messages... as said F&F is the standard there, u still salty for no reason.
Also in the thread is already stated the payment options available... so why u added me to trade if you were not willing to pay that way?!
- revenge feedback which is CLEARLY against the rules of feedback.
- -rep without trading is as well so why u left -rep in 1st place? XD
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I might have bought it if you had apologized and told me you didn't understand how Paypal worked and didn't have the intent of scamming, and that you would cease using Friends and Family for transactions in the future; instead you left revenge feedback (clearly against the rules) and want me to break the rules for some made up rules you never even linked me to in the first place.
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told me you didn't understand how Paypal worked
This thread isn't enough for you to see that it's you who doesn't understand how things work & are done? :c
that you would cease using Friends and Family for transactions in the future
ROFL.
The internet police, and in the worst way.
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Everyone makes mistakes in life. How you respond to those mistakes is important and shows your character. It isn't too late to delete the feedback you left and send them a message that says that you made a mistake and that you are sorry. It would reflect far better on you than continuing to double down on the scam accusations.
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If they are willing to publicly apologize and promise to stop using Paypal Friends and Family for their transactions in the future, I'll remove the feedback. But I'm not going to be extorted and harassed into removing legitimate feedback.
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Sorry man, my fault to not clearly state the rules in 1st place when they were already stated in 654654 places and you neither asked for them...
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And will you stop using Paypal Friends and Family in the future? And stop trying to use revenge feedback to pressure people into breaking the rules?
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You are such a clown, living in your own little world with your own little rules. And you threaten to hold your breath till everyone agrees that only your interpretation of your rules are valid for everyone.
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And you threaten to hold your breath
Oh noooooooooooooooooooo....
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The best part is that he also immediately believed the bogus story that people will respect his demands. A real toddler, in every aspect.
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I'll do
5 mintes later:
I'll do whatever I think better for me.
I'm crying xD
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Now we'll see the harshest feedback ever incoming, for the greatest of all scammers! It's illegal to edit a promise!
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Shrugs. I have more respect for others than you do. I want to see people do better. But don't worry, I fixed my mistake and reported them again.
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If they are willing to publicly apologize and promise to stop using Paypal Friends and Family for their transactions in the future, I'll remove the feedback.
👆🏼 => Extortion.
I'll steal your car and kidnap your sibling. This is okay because you sinned. I saw it clearly. It must be true.
If you repent, found a Church Of Buddha's Glory in your city, and sacrifice three sheep to Satan every day for 4 days in a row, I'll return them unharmed. Oh, and you have to sign a contract that you will never drink cola again in your life, and your sibling and their future children also may never do so. Doing so is wrong, after all. Everybody knows it.
And don't complain about this, it'd be revenge feedback. You're wrong, after all. Sinner.
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Did he scam you?No?Why leave negative feedback?
Did he ask you to use specific links and login into shady websites no?Did he pressure you into downloading?No?
Family & friends is just a common thing even i know w/o using paypal ,because i know there is always a risk in private trading.
While he had 260/0.before you put negative feedback on him ,the chance that he would scam you were probably like 5%?
You could just write im not gonna trade with you ,because im not trusing you .
no drama nothing .
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If they apologize and promise to not use Friends and Family are they still not a known scammer? If so then you removing the feedback makes you complicit and just as bad.
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I understand where you're coming from, but at the same time, I've always been big on forgiveness. I don't hold grudges, and if someone is truly trying to do better, I can respect that. We're all fallible human beings, and how can I expect forgiveness when I need it if I won't show it to others?
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But using friends and family is the act of scamming here (ROFL).
So yes, not using F&F ever again is basically repenting and promising to love Jesus Christ. Unscammerization.
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So after a whole day of dealing with my mother-in-law I came here only to read this thread and have flashbacks...
Thank you.
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I have made hundreds of PayPal trades, all with friends and family option where possible. None were scams. (F&F is not allowed for many International transfers)
SteamTrades operates on the reputation system. If someone has at least several positive reviews from users who aren’t also new, that’s usually good enough to consider them trustworthy. If trust is in question, user with less feedback should go first. Terms should be agreed upon before either party sends anything.
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I blocked you because you tried to scam me, and reported you as I'm supposed to as an upstanding member of the community. Beyond that, you literally left revenge feedback which is CLEARLY against the rules of feedback.
Entitled and narcistic statement. You are labeling him as a "known scammer" while he didn't had any negative mark before trying to do business with you clearly shows that he is not a problem.
Oh, the only thing about you that is "upstanding" is ypur own ego and not in a good way.
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I had a scammer that tried to trick me into using Paypal Friends and Family- obvious red flag there. I left my first negative feedback and- wouldn't you know it- they then leave a revenge negative, attempting to pressure me into removing the negative I left with said false feedback.
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