Yes, yes it's ironic. You get a special star now for remembering the original quote
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You are very welcome. I blacklisted you over the ratio that you gathered, but thanks all the same for the fucktarded accusation. Shows how.... I'm outta here.
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Hi there, heard you were measuring ratios.
Mind taking a look at mine? It's been kind of itchy lately, and sometimes it feels like things are crawling on it.
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It's amazing to see how personally offended you've gotten over a joke. That's a convenient story too. Revisionist history is nice, isn't it?
Just wanted to say thank you for the inspiration since I had been thinking of making a giveaway anyway and decided to choose something from your wishlist. I have very little money and it's not much, but then not all of us can afford to amass 3000+ games. To use your own word(s), someone who isn't a complete fucktard might have been more open minded.
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I would agree with that and it's nice, but so what? That's like if you bought a car because it has a sexy hood ornament, but meanwhile they are selling you an unreliable vehicle that is going to break down. That does not make it okay for them to engage in shady and dishonest business practices like they have been. Combined with the steadily declining quality in the bundles and it's a bad recipe.
edit: giveaway added btw
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Mind if I ask for an elaboration on what dishonesty / shady / gray area behaviour they've been engaging in? I buy bundles from groupees on occasion, and it's always good for people to know when a company might be doing something awful. Y'know, to not support them if the accusations hold water...
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Please explain to me how is that shady. Many companies do that : Gog Indie Piñata, Square Enix thing. And dont even get me stared on all blind bags outhere. And those pre-orders arent realy blind there are hints and confirmations for most of the games in the bundle.Quality of the games it's debatable, for some they may be awesome and for other they may be shit.
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Square Enix is a rarity, and the GOG pinata is a completely new thing.
The SE pack isn't really comparable because it gives you foreknowledge of exactly who provides the games, so you have a far narrower spectrum to be gambling in. The pinata however IS quite shady, because while GOG are very user friendly and even factor in whether or not you own certain games before pulling a game from the randomiser, it is still pulling from a limited pool of games / keys in a manner that the outright scam G2G 'random key' thing does. Those hints and confirmations aren't really made visible to a passing visitor unless they're willing to trawl through the chat or rely upon the kindness of strangers (such as our resident stabby bundle tracking member/s). By the same logic, you can google the random key sites to get a list of common drops, but that doesn't mean the site themselves are being forthcoming with the info.
The G2G/etc 'random key' thing is a terribly shady practice because they call it a 'random key' and often lead buyers to believe it pulls from a massive range of keys, but if you do a little research you find that it primarily draws from a stockpile of keys for games that were free at one point, or in bundles (making it a bundle resale as individual items). They just spice it up by adding in a teeny tiny chance for a higher value game. GOG appears to be doing the same thing, only with non-freebie games and a higher chance of actually getting something of equivalent value. The forums at GOG confirm that those higher value prizes are limited in supply (so it is entirely possible for the pinatas to go out of stock of better rewards, leaving only the chaff). In my case, like an idiot I decided to grab two before I even considered googling, taking GOG on good faith, and got Shelter and Shadow Warrior (modern remake), both of which were bundled and sold cheap. I broke even, but sadly I already owned the two of them elsewhere.
I don't begrudge GOG for this, because they give a great service and do genuinely seem to be customer oriented, and the customer must be a willing participant, so this can be seen as an experiment that will likely be considered a marked failure. It's just that lack of transparency that causes the sour aftertaste. If someone is selling tinned food with no labels under the pretense that it is random and could be anything, your gamble is based on the assumption that they're actually random within reason, and not just random from three stacks of unmarked tins of fish-heads, bonobo armpits and pickled faces, y'know? It's not sinister, but the lack of transparency coupled with the leap of faith makes a lot of people pull this face after they try it and google later on : >:C
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Forget that kind of people. Blacklisting is up to the person's discretion, but blacklisting over ratio... sounds like trying to build a mountain out of a molehill.
I should blacklist whole people in this forum anyway. I'm a saint, puny humans simply are not up with my par.
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i thought they already where Poopie....
damn i was fooled
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I'm of a different opinion but that's not even the main issue. I find the whole blind pre-order thing, carefully designed and teased in such a way as to sucker as many people as possible out of their money, highly distasteful and an ugly practice that I feel takes advantage of people.
Yeah, no one is forcing you buy them, but neither did cigarette companies force people to smoke and yet they are taking advantage of them in a similar way (albeit on a whole different level of course).
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See, I don't even see it the way you described it. It's a gamble, yes. But the prices is lower. For me, who buys 95% of their bundles with games it's a great deal cause I always get a discount, you might say. I guess it all depends on the perspective. Trust me, no one forces anyone to buy anything.
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Well, it's just your feeling cause you don't have actual numbers, do you? And I think that if people like the ones you talk about get burned once or twice with pre-orders then they will just stop pre-ordering. I really see no harm in that to be honest. Like I said, it's not like anyone forces anyone to do anything.
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No I don't have numbers but that is the general impression that I get. One could always take a real poll/survey out of curiosity (not just here either). Not too sure about the getting burned and quit pre-ordering thing. Some people just can't help themselves. If they could then gambling addiction wouldn't be a problem for some. Yeah they should take blame for it too, but it still doesn't make it right on the other side of things either.
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If you want to blame Groupees for people having gaming addiction they you may want to blame all other stores and bundle sites as well. Not to mention developers lol. See where I'm going with this? You can't blame producers and sellers for addictions. That doesn't make any sense. Seems like you're trying to shove responsibility from gamers to other parties. If a gamer can't help but spend money on games then it's his and only his problem (of course if you think it's a problem) and it's his and only his choice. Do you think if pre-orders didn't exist this person wouldn't buy the bundles? They would and probably for a higher price too.
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Actually, the entire reason of the BLIND pre-order is to get people to gamble against the odds of whether or not they'll actually like the bundle. If the contents of the bundle were shown ahead of time, then there'd be absolutely nothing to complain about, but there's a reason they do it blind.
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There is no problem with people spending money on what they want.
However you did say "Do you think if pre-orders didn't exist this person wouldn't buy the bundles?"
I am merely pointing out that the blind pre-orders are blind with a reason. If people were buying the bundles for a higher price, they really have no reason to take the blind approach. If they are offering pre-orders at a low price out of the kindness of their hearts, why hide the contents?
As I said, this isn't a matter of there being a 'problem' or a lack of consent.
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Or maybe they know that fewer people will buy it once they know what the quality of the bundle contents are.
Again, this isn't about whose site or whose rules are in action, just as this is not an issue about people on the internet magically holding a gun to your head to force you to buy something. :P
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No, because they don't do this blind pre-order nonsense like Groupees does with almost every bundle. That is what is taking advantage of people. The declining bundle quality is an ancillary factor. And yes, you absolutely can blame a third party (whether a company or not) for taking advantage of people's addictions. It may not be illegal in many cases but it is immoral/unethical. To use my previous example, I'm pretty sure no one has any great love for or advocates what the cigarette companies do that sell sickness and death to the addicted, at least not anyone who really cares about the well being of those people, who doesn't have something personally invested in said companies, or who doesn't care more about taxes than people's lives. The same could be said of drug dealers and even extended to other areas/addictions. As I said, the addicted themselves are often not without blame, but it is also immoral and unethical to prey on said people in this way. Anyway, thanks for the debate but I don't think that we will see eye to eye on this.
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I think drugs and cigarettes are totally different from bundles with video games. They can't be compared.
Also, it may be your perspective that the quality of their bundles is declining. For example I don't think so. Again, it's a matter of perspective. To say what you claim and make it a fact you would have to ask every buyer from the last 3-5 months about all that and based on that come to a conclusion. But without any real numbers, statistics or opinions everything you say is just your theory that can't be backed up by any real evidence. It's how you "feel" about this. You can't prove any of this. Just like I can't prove what I claim but I don't make any accusations so...
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If you hang out in the chatrooms, there are actually puzzles every time that tell you what all the games are -- you just have to be able to figure them out. It's all a game.
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Oh I know, and admittedly to some degree I resent being put in a position where I should spend any time on that. That little 'game' itself distracts (perhaps intentionally so) from the issue of what I feel to be the shady nature of the blind pre-order sales model itself in the way that Groupees does it. Also, in the past many games have not been guessed and I'm sure you are aware that there are no guarantees.
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Guarantees? What do you mean? The puzzles are always done by the creator of the bundle so they obviously know what games they are. xD
I don't see the point in hating on one bundle site when there are so many others to choose from.
But I respect your opinion. :D
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Most of the time the games are known before the bundle releases so I don't really see anissue.
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Yeah Be Mine 22 is okay (primarily for In Verbis Virtus), but so many of the bundles have been lame. Some people like to say that it is because so many games have already become bundled nowadays and Greenlight is mostly a wasteland, any yet I still see Humble and Bundle Stars putting out quality bundles for the most part.
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The problem is Bundlestars and Humble (example) never emphasis on a mixed bundle. They never throw musics or random PDFs in a game bundle as the main selling points. Humble do give OSTs, but it's an addon.
Groupees, on the other hand.... always mix things.
It's the main reason why I consider them the worst nowadays. Heck, Indiegala is pumping more better ones than Groupees. No tricks whatsoever e.g only selling Steam bundles. Always focus on what you're doing is my principle.
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Depends on what kind of 'trust'. If it's financial one, then I consider Humble is the ablest, Indiegala is the worst (I somehow feel they're the scummiest one out of all - Groupees, HB, IG, Bundlestars in this example pool-).
If it's quality, again, HB holds my trust. Bundlestars second.
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I would agree that bundle is kind of meh for the most part (as I find many Indie Gala bundles to be), however I was speaking more from a lame sales tactics/gimmicks point of view. Not that Indie Gala hasn't done a few lame things of their own, but Groupees takes the cake at this point.
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I would like to add that Humble Bundle sort of has a similar thing. Most of their main bundles add second week games to the green tier. So it kind of has a similar thing if you are unsure about buying the green tier during the first week. Either you can get it now at a usually lower price and hope for some good games in the second week, or wait for them to show up and possibly buy them but at a usually higher price.
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Hmmm. You do have a point, at least now that the additional games started showing up on the 'beat the average' tier. Though there is a degree of trust here, because while the revealed games may not be to your liking when they are revealed, you at least know they're not likely to be games sold for $1, or have horrible review ratings, or be completely unknown greenlight rejects.
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Yep, and there is something to be said for that. I'm okay with 'unlocks' like this as you have a pretty good idea upfront of what you are getting for the most part (Indie Gala also does unlocks on occasion, although it used to be more common).
Also, aside from the common traditional way of locking the price at Humble Bundle, it might be worth pointing out that if you keep a page open with a certain price on it, you can come back later and pay that price. I have a little old netbook that I don't use much and if I keep the page open on it and then just put it in hibernation I can come back a week later if I like and still pay the price that I saw before. This is a way to see the unlocks first or lock the price without actually committing to anything.
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That sounds more like cheating the system. Which seems to me to be a shady business practice. :P
But yes, I was just trying to draw parallels. I usually don't find Groupees to my liking, but there have been a few bundles I was interested in, but I know many who just love them to pieces. Just all a matter of opinion.
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"That sounds more like cheating the system."
I agree and actually just passed that bit of info along to HumbleBundle Support, because it sounds like a bug that shouldn't be happening and I'm sure they'll appreciate being informed if it is, in fact, a bug being exploited.
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lol okay. It's certainly not a bug, nor is it really different than what people frequently do by refreshing the page and waiting for other buyers to lower the average. The way to 'fix' it is to modify the behavior of the site so that the average updates itself on a live basis, which they easily could have implemented at any time in the past 5+ years had they really wanted to. The same can be said for how purchasing a bundle (at any price) locks the BTA to whatever it is at that moment, regardless of what it may be later. You can bet that they surely know about that and yet never changed it, probably with the intention of honoring the price that the customer sees when they arrive, and also to avoid controversy with fluctuations in the price that can occur while the customer is either filling out information & paying or just looking at the bundle and considering whether to buy it or not. Not everything is so black and white as people like to think sometimes. I find it extremely unlikely, if not impossible that Humble isn't aware of precisely how their own system works.
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Groupees to rename due to trends in bundle content:
New logo:
http://i.imgur.com/GUtUP1U.jpg
Update: news just came in that they will start providing adult diapers with their bundles
Giveaway
(note: Level 5+ required)
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