Rich people fondling each others balls dont get your panties in a twist - just a saying, this includes women as well and their figurative balls that are fondled
Never liked or cared for these award shows at all. be it movies, music or whatever..
As for rephrasing - what else do you expect in this overly PC world where everything is racist or misogynistic
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They are words... holy shit people. There are things that MATTER.
Oh, but lets rephrase bullshit that means nothing.
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I don't get it. For me "Urban" was always a therm for modern.
But tbh. I couldn't care less. I've checked the last winners and nominees of this price and I would never listen to this stuff. I just don't enjoy RNB at all.
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Why would you care about them removing a term that some find offensive?
I think the term is bad. Tyler the Creator said it best, it's just a politically correct way to say the N word.
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I never knew it was so "offensive" same as the poster above you said, thinking it was just a some general term.
Still Latin Urban is not "offensive" and still going to be used.
Honestly i still don't know what's really offensive about it.
We are slowly creating a world where we can really say nothing anymore, watching and weighing each and every word.
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Maybe we're trying to create a world inclusive to everyone by getting rid of labels that don't accurately reflect society's views anymore. But yes, being able to call music urban free from repercussions is much more important
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Cool. I don't see how that is taking it a bit too far. Like, it's not taking it anywhere, really. Your "I'm against racism too!" falls kinda flat if you think removing dated wording in favor of less ambiguous, more accurate wording is an inconvenience to you and your world view. You can still say stuff. We're not creating a world where we can't say anything. It's just that saying racist, bigoted, or obviously coded stuff is increasingly likely to get you negative attention instead of uncomfortable silence, which is a solid change.
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Who said it was an inconvenience to me? That's what you're making of it, as to the grammy's itself i could care less too, but it's just one example on how we are kinda starting to (over)react.
As i posted above and another user i never knew and still don't know what's so offensive about urban, yet they still use latin urban and that's not offensive? Or measuring with 2 standards?
We are creating a world where we can't say anything, people having to apologize for something they did 20 years ago (Jimmy Fallon) or speak words each that have been weighed down carefully.
It's the same as people now pulling down statues now like Columbus. Let's not forget In North Africa they enslaved people too. It's all history, and people are trying to delete it, let it and this is now and we live in the now.
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it
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But what is wrong with urban?
I'm not a native speaker and I never thought that urban might be bad in any way. I still don't get it tbh.
Urban culture is the culture of towns and cities.
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And contemporary is of the present days. So music of culture of cities/towns of present day...
Which seems quite inclusive and wide category... Ofc, it does exclude country and classical music... So maybe it would be inclusive to get rid of it... or just change it to music.
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The word is perfectly valid in the context of contrasting urban areas with rural areas, and definitely has a place in both the dictionary and in popular use. The problem arises when it's used as a catch-all term for a certain type of people or genres of music. The "urban community" has long been used as a euphemism for ethnic minorities situated in low-income areas of the city. It's not quite as egregious as "thug" in terms of being a coded way to use the N-word, but its usage in describing people has overwhelmingly been code for "black." The same is basically true for "urban music," which is a ridiculous term that throws together a bunch of disparate genres--hip hop, r'n'b, soul, funk, grime, etc.--solely on the basis that many of its creators have historically been black inner city musicians.
Like, we don't have a "rural contemporary" genre that throws together bluegrass, country, Southern rock, dungeon synth, etc. "Urban contemporary" doesn't make sense because most music nominated in modern events like this is going to be contemporary, and a lot of it is created for/by city folks. Clearly outlining that the award is for forward-thinking r'n'b makes a lot more sense and doesn't require a winky-face nonsense term to refer to "the black community" in the name of the category.
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Ah thank you for clearing this up.
The word "urban music" crossed me first in late 90s as a show on a german music channel and it was the music that goes with the "city vibe" (there where also shows like "industrial").
With this people in germany and myself connectect urban like I said with modern, city based. So it was a positiv term without thinking about race or colour. But yeah it was mostly rap, rnb, hiphop and stuff (but not only from black people).
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lol good god, Lugum.
Edit: lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll, the snap-closing of the thread when you didn't get the reaction you wanted.
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"I am against racism too but .." but what ? you loved the word urban so deep that people who are offended by this should accept your passion and accept the racism instead ? maybe this change can help people, but i can´t find any reason how it could disadvantage you, so i guess the root of all problems is somehwere else..do you want to change life with any black lives matters guys? o/
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Recording Academy chair and interim CEO Harvey Mason Jr. says the show must “reflect the current state of the music industry”
The Recording Academy, the organization behind the Grammy Awards, announced Wednesday amid a number of rule changes that it is renaming the “Best Urban Contemporary Album” category.
The category — which was added into the Grammys in 2012 and whose name has been the subject of increasing criticism — will now be called “Best Progressive R&B Album.” The Academy said in a statement that the category should “highlight albums that include the more progressive elements of R&B and may include samples and elements of hip-hop, rap, dance, and electronic music.”
“We’re constantly evaluating our Awards process and evolving it to ensure the Grammy Awards are inclusive and reflect the current state of the music industry,” Harvey Mason Jr., Chair & Interim President/CEO of the Recording Academy, said in remarks accompanying the rule changes. “Each year, we receive a number of rule change proposals from artists, producers and songwriters asking us to reevaluate our process,” Chief Awards Officer Bill Freimuth added, pointing out that they pay close attention to occurrences within the past 12 months.
The rechristening of the “Urban Contemporary” category seems to reflect recent conversations that have arisen within the music industry, as a result of Black Lives Matter-related initiatives Blackout Tuesday and #TheShowMustBePaused. In the last week, several black executives have noted that the word — which appears in marketing as well as employee and department titles as a synonym for “black music” — is antiquated, overarching, and inappropriate, especially at a time when hip-hop and R&B are some of the most dominant genres of music. Previous winners in the “Urban Contemporary” category include Lizzo’s Cuz I Love You in 2019, Beyoncé and Jay-Z’s Everything Is Love in 2018, The Weeknd’s Starboy in 2017, and Beyoncé’s Lemonade in 2016.
But the word is not being completely removed from Music’s Biggest Night. The Grammys still feature the word “Urban” in other categories — such as in the newly named, Latin-field category “Best Latin Pop Or Urban Album.” (That category, somewhat confusingly, was known as “Latin Rock, Urban Or Alternative” in the previous awards show; Latin Pop was also a separate category last year.) “At the time that this category amendment proposal was put forth earlier in the year, use of the word ‘urban’ when classifying certain genres in Latin music was widely accepted,” Mason tells Rolling Stone. “However, we understand that in the current climate, sentiment might be changing. We are continuing to follow the conversation and are committed to making necessary adjustments.”
Other changes in Wednesday’s announcement include the renaming and redefinition of the “Best Rap/Sung Performance” award, which will now be called “Best Melodic Rap Performance.”
https://www.rollingstone.com/pro/news/recording-academy-grammy-changes-2021-1012347/
I am against racism too but isn't stuff like this taking things just a little too far?
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