You are from California, USA and you couldn't buy any tier 1 or dollar bundle for over 3 years? Don't be ridiculous! Even if you are 10 yo and have $5 per month your pocket money you could give back something! Blacklisted!
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I can accept the blacklist, it's up to you who you want to potentially benefit from you. I don't think it's as simple as the area that you exist in that determines whether or not you can afford anything necessarily. You'd be correct in assuming 3 years would be ridiculous without an income, well more might seem too ridiculous to fathom so why bother even teasing the idea to you. A $5 per month addition might keep the generator on for another few minutes, so it'd be much appreciated.
I appreciate the feedback and implore you to be more considerate in your opinion forming in the future. If not, that's okay too.
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I have to admit reading this thread has been a guilty pleasure for me, and I haven't even read it all yet. The amount of words people are willing to spill on the subject fills me with both dread and envy.
As for leeches, I don't care. The sun shines on everyone, and so do I. I mean, it feels nicer if a gift goes to someone who really enjoys it, but there's no way to guarantee "enjoyment". You roll the dice, you take a chance.
I do care about cheaters and rule breakers, and I avoid public GAs just to skip out on the more egregious bots, alts and clueless regifters. Doesn't fully work, but it works well enough.
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I'm glad the mass of text info is getting it's use. I dread the idea that there's a divide within a community that's seemingly breeding some underlying toxicity that', if left inaddressed, may escalate. I envy the passion folks have had for a subject they feel is important to them, it's a great motivator for change. I'm glad that you give, regardless of the end result and for that, I thank you. I've luckily been able to inform a few of those regifters before it was "too late" so I definitely feel that. Thank you for talking the time to add to the conversation!
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Not sure what your original idea was with this thread, since the answers to all the questions you pose seem very obvious to me, and frankly, most other SG users:
- your ratio is 98:1
- your only GA was 2+ years ago
- you own 1,000+ games and 1,100+ DLCs on Steam, including unbundled ones like Fallout 4, The Witcher 3, PUBG
- you own many good games that you have never even launched
- you are (probably) a current Humble Monthly subscriber, with a quick search coming up with games from the last year in your library
- your inventory contains a bunch of items that you could sell and create a few GAs; the CS:GO weapons alone would add up to a very decent amount that you could use during sales
Hard to find an argument against any 2 of these, let alone all of them - hence why I don't see the point in asking in the first place, since - sorry to say this - but you are a bit of a textbook case of a leech.
I gotta give you credit for actually creating the thread though, knowing that your blacklist count is probably in the many hundreds by now. You are probably not doing yourself any favors by continuously saying you will try to give away low cost bundles - if you can afford unbundled games and a monthly subscription, then you can surely do better, and the community will support you in this regardless of your past ratio. A tier 2 bundle from HB is between 5-8$ on average, which is less than 1 hour of work in the US, and can be easily given away once per month, for example.
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The intent is the same as it began:to gauge the pulse on the topic issues and discuss them using an example. I would like to point out that all three titles you pointed out as well as a good majority of the Humble Bundle keys are gifts from friends I've received. It goes a little into my life but I currently have nothing more than a hotspot for internet with a lightning fast 128Kbps throttled speed. As much as I'd love to play some of my "many good games," I quite literally am physically unable to for a majority of them. The inventory topic has been spoken upon and my reasons for holding onto my Weasel and the like is the fact that they are mostly gifts as well. I don't expect you to accept that as a reasonable excuse, but I don't have anything more for you and apologize that my reasknings may not be sufficient to your standards. I appreciate the credit for a dressing the topics and you may be surprised to learn I'm not even close to triple digits in blacklists. I'm not sure I'm exactly what people assumed I was and after articulating as best I can, perhaps empathize enough to not bother. My current work is directly towards my existence, I make no money, I work to live. I do plan on pulling together some cash if I can and going through the process of getting that somewhere to use online, but I appreciate the advocacy for work.
I very much appreciate the feedback as more light on the subject helps form a better understanding.
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While I don't really see a person who gifts a lot as more worthy of winning than one who doesn't, I do think that the people who are worthy of winning are those who either: a) haven't won much; b) have small libraries; c) play most of their wins. I don't think you qualify for any of these.
That said, this site is mainly a game of CV, and it's full of crappy giveaways, and someone has to win them, so it's not like I care that much about who wins how much. However, I would still prefer if people who match my criteria win my giveaways. (And I haven't gifted in a few months, so in practice it doesn't matter right now.)
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I'm genuinely trying not to act as though my elation for video games as a whole is reason enough to want to play anything and everything I can get my hands on. I agree that folks with less are more preferable to benefit in general, especially if they get to enjoy playing it. I appreciate your contribution to the site, even if that may not mean much from me. I hope you can resume gifting when you're ready and capable, spreading some entertainment to others is always a great time. Currently I only entertain a lobby of folks at a time, but it's good enough for me.
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current community consensus
Things like that exist? :o
IN THIS THREAD
people with 300+ unplayed wins telling others they are leeches.
<3 Just had to quote Mully xD
There are feeders and there are leechers - that's the part of community. If everybody only give more that receive - site would stop functioning because nobody would enter giveaways xD I try to be in the middle. And I definitely prefer leechers over people who got to lvl 5 with 1$ shovelware bundles xD
If you want to increase your contribution to community without spending money - I suggest you to register on Chrono gg (you click on coin each day to get some virtual coins - after month or something you can buy a game with them - and they have some nice titles) or ohveykeys - for couple of surveys you can buy some games (mostly trash but they have some true gems).
Do I look like a leech bastard?
No. This is leech:
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I'd hope that within a social gathering like a website forum, that people formed opinions upon the comings and goings of said gathering to help inform others of why or how certain actions or appearances may influence their time spent. Even with their unplayed wins and somewhat hypocritical nature, that's their choice and all we're left with is to point out the slight absurdity. I appreciate the creative solutions to the lack of disposable income, it's nice to have alternatives visible and vouched for.
What a lovely little blood sucker, better blacklist him. :D
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Sorry for stalking but I just had to xD I checked you "games" won.
14 of them are games/dlc's that I would consider playing. Half of them are actually decent.
The rest of your wins are like "blackscreen simulator". You pick up trash and that makes sg cleaner xD
You are not a leech - you are putrefying bacteria!
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Not a problem at all! I'm glad to pick up the "trash" as even with a less than stellar game, you can have a great time if that's what you want to do. I have been lucky enough to win DLC for games like Payday 2 and games like Evoland 2 and Iron Brigade that are perfect for my tastes.its also nice to win soundtracks as with Steams music player, I can zone out to and find neat tracks from my library that I may not have even played too much attention to in-game.
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lol I had to laugh at that last line. And look up if Blackscreen Simulator was actually a thing. And it is ._.
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Steam direct ftw!
We truly live in interesting gaming era - when Bad Rats looks decent in comparison to other titles -_-
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I haven't been around in a long while but while I'll offloading some surplus keys I think I'll make a long and rambling post before vanishing again. Maybe people will be tolerant as long as I make it a yearly thing or some such. Whatever - you asked for thoughts and I always have plenty...
You asked if you look like a leech. Well, to me basically the answer is yes. You have taken a bunch of stuff out of the site and given nothing significant in return. I'm not judging or criticising - that just seems factual. Hey, I've often been called a leech myself. Leech means many different things to many different people as seen already in this discussion and even by my own standards I've seen far worse than you. As long as you follow the rules you go ahead and enter as many giveaways as you like and good luck to you as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure there will always be plenty here for you to spend your points on and many people happy for you to do so.
As to my thoughts? Well you have about as much stuff on Steam as I do but you have made less than 0.01% of the giveaways that I have. Maybe you are slave labour in a wealthy nation, maybe you do need every single dollar to keep the generator running rather than spending any over the space of years on a cheap bundle here and there for a few giveaways, maybe your gaming rig magically does keep running without monetary income in a way my own never has, maybe all of your inventory items really do have sentimental value, maybe this and that and so forth - it certainly isn't my place to call you liar.
But as much as I don't feel it's my place to put you down it's up to me how to make my giveaways. It's my time and effort and money and I can direct them where I like. Some people talk about disposable income like it's a binary thing - giveways can be thrown around like candy or it's absolutely impossible. I know there are people here who have farmed sites like tremor games for free keys for giveaways, I know there are unemployed people here who have bought a cheap bundle here and there and over years have racked up hundreds of giveaways, I know people who can't make many giveaways but their idea of generosity is to not enter for games they won't play and they have decent ratios just because of that.
I've had significant ups and downs over the years that I have and haven't been active here. I'll happily give you the details of my shitshow of a life that others are aware of if required. I've paid for a lot of my giveaways with art commissions. Mostly not the good kind - the vocaloid bukkake kind. But I've won games here when I was down that meant a lot to me and it was really important to me to attempt to at least return that when possible regardless of the effort or sacrifice.
You get to blacklisting and it isn't nice and I'd prefer not to blacklist anyone. But over the course of a lot of giveaways I've ended up giving stuff to a lot of people who didn't look great - often far worse than yourself. I try and make a range of giveaways for as many people as possible but it's my games and I want to at least try and direct the better ones away from the worst leeches and just plain scammers. If you find yourself excluded from one of my giveaways through whatever method - level restrictions, blacklisting, sg tools, etc - then it is just me trying to do the best with the resources I earned. It isn't meant as a personal attack.
So in conclusion; you have a lot of stuff of stuff on Steam including top titles that I'd like myself. If you are broke and people are happy to give you all that then good for you. If you also want to win a bunch of stuff here without giving back then good for you. If I don't want to personally give you more stuff on top of that then that is my business and I shall remain unrepentant.
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Actually that was meant to stick to some significant and important points but turned into some kind of deranged stream-of-consciousness rant. My apologies for my lack of literary coherence but nothing else.
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Not to worry, I've been gone for a bit but am now getting to reply to you. I really appreciate the well thought out replies, point for point. It's difficult for me to rehash over the same points (due to replying to literally everyone that posted to this directly) and with that I extra appreciate your generality and understanding that things are not always as they appear and despite a general or majority consensus, one's life can be incredibly odd or even nonsensical to another or others. Not to make a deal of it but I've already destroyed my hands getting some extra scratch to give back, as was intended, and just learned that I can't make more than 3 giveaways at a given time currently, which actually kind of sucks. (But I understand that it wouldn't be great for someone to make a ton that they didn't actually intend to give.)
Stay impartial and keep giving as you can, my man!
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Yes, you are a leecher. you own so many games that I want but could never afford yet I am still able to give out games. I too am a poor person but I try my best to give out whenever I can. I am broke now and my bank literally doesn't have money at all at this point when I am typing. I even lost my wallet recently which I need to replace and all of the replacement cost about 280+ usd.
Expenditure, etc I still need to spend on. I'm sure many people spend money/time trying to give out but what I see from you is that , you are able to get so many games, better games, even more than me but claim you are unable to give out.
even if you say your friends are the one who give it to you. why not ask them if you can give it back to the community? But I don't see you doing that.
I don't feel like typing so much here but leechers will forever be leechers
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I genuinely feel the bank situation, I was recently denied continued service for a bank for the foreseeable future, leaving me with an inactive account that I've had to drain down to as close to 0 as possible. (RIP that $.10 left in the void.) I may be able to receive many things, but that doesn't necessarily imply that I went out of my way to obtain or even seek said items. Again, I don't expect anyone to exactly understand certain aspects of the example, thus why I left them so vague. Everyone has their different events in life, everyone's realities work fairly differently, and with that I'd hope people could be a bit more accepting of some generality when it comes to less-than-favorable topic details like "being so dead in all but the literal sense of the word, that it's not so easy to do much of ANYTHING, let alone consider something that wasn't anywhere near the current, relevant situation(s)."
As far as asking someone to glance a gift off of me to put up here, that's not a half bad idea, but it's a bit awkward to reject a direct gift that someone wants for you in exchange for some direct credibility... regifting to the max. That being said, I'm positioned more toward the low cost bundles and or opportunistic buys with prior planning in mind like the GamesAid bundle that popped up recently.
You may feel that "leechers will forever be leechers" and that's totally up to you, just know that the "leech" you're directing comments at isn't such a poopy person... or at least not as poopy a person as some seem to assume. I appreciate the feedback and apologize for looking so poor in your eyes.
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I understand your situation that's why I didn't blacklist you. but I don't see those leechers giving back out of their own pocket, they just take games. if you get what I mean.
the fact that you posted this was already good enough that show u care unlike others, this is also a reason why I didn't blacklist u.
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Anyone who is donating games is not a leech in my book. I don't care what some silly people say, if you're giving, you're giving. The only thing true leeches give is blood-borne diseases.
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I tried to not get to involved with "my life story" and "why I can't or haven't done X" and with that in mind or not, people fixated on the issues they were passionate about and commented according to those feelings. I can't fault anyone for that, emotion is illogical and fluid. I'm just happy to have had such a great turn out for a first discussion topic. I wasn't even hit that hard with the blacklists as everyone was either hoping for or warning towards. All in all, pretty content "leech" over here. :T
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hmm.. I have no idea how you guys have won so many times.
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I really don't care about the ratio when interacting with people on SteamGifts and I generally don't check it.
BUT it is important to me that all users of this site understand that keys here don't appear from thin air and that they understand that to complete the act of gifting it takes one person creating a gift and a different person receiving a gift. This means I create giveaways only for level 3+ because on that level you should have created enough giveaways to see the cycle. This way I don't have to blacklist you, because with your gifting history you won't make it there anyway, while on the other hand you're able to enter them if you should make it there.
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I agree that the level requirements as well as whitelist/group requirements are perfect for specifying your pools of giftees, I myself am using the level feature currently.
I appreciate the feedback and I WILL make it there!
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To any and all interested in the aftermath of this discussion and it's many happenings: https://www.steamgifts.com/discussion/11d1K/giveaway-promotionquery
I hope this wasn't too rough of a topic and that folks learned a bit.Good luck and happy gifting!
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I think about this discussion a lot when I'm on here. I think about how poor I was at this time, the flat out disbelief that some folks couldn't accept my words at face value, and just how many folks rooted for me to get back on my feet and, if able, finally contribute as much as I had been given.
I just want folks to know that people do go through terrible lows and sometimes the only thing to keep them going and sane are their passions in life. Video games have been solace for me for as long as I can remember. My earliest gaming memories of sitting on a cold concrete floor with a grey brick of an NES with The Legend of Zelda and Mike Tyson's Punch-Out!! have lead me down a path of bleep bloopin' bliss, and I've finally been able to contribute to a site that's helped share my largest passion with folks.
Thank you, SteamGifts, thank you haters, thank you fans, thank you. I'm locking this discussion, it's over. ;)
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I'm nearing 100 giveaways won and gifts received (98 gifts won, woo! Thanks to all the gifters!) with a measly 1 gift sent. I'm not the kind of person with disposable income for anything and the majority of my library was gifted from friends and players over the years. (I'm planning to grab something for another giveaway when I hit 100 giveaways won.)
I ask you: what does my ratio say about me in the context of the site? Do I look like a leech bastard? Is this even something considered when stumbling upon someone's profile? I'm also curious as to whether or not it has anything to do with the handful of blacklists I've been put on, but that's not the focus of this discussion.
Thoughts?
Edit: To be more clear: "What's the current community consensus on Wins:Gifts sent, what's the deal with leeches, and how does each person feel about ratio/leeches respectively?"
Edit: Someone decided to make their point by creating a giveaway in my honour that I can't join because for all intents and purposes I'm a leech in the majority of the public eye thusfar: https://www.steamgifts.com/giveaway/5chFA/game-of-thrones-a-telltale-games-series
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