Are they?
the technical preview has been out for like over a year. so this version has already been quite heavily tested. it's not like win10 exists for just a week. ;)
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they offer to convert your years old key into a new windows 10 key for free, and you call that dodgy legal tactic. i call it a nice move, and i gladly accept it. sure, it's under their conditions. but it's free nonetheless. you are not forced to take the offer.
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Nyet, at least so far what I've found is four computers that can no longer use their key for reinstall. I have two testing machines (desktop, laptop) that require frequent reinstall, and the result of this is that I now have two machines (desktop, laptop) now using Ubuntu full-time since I cannot revert to the windows-based OS they were supplied with (7, 8 respectively).
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this doesn't make sense. the key conversion should be irreversible after one month, not before that. did you use the integrated windows 10 function to go back to your old OS?
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You mean you did not make recovery disc for your OS when you first got your laptop?
If you have your key then just go here..
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/create-reset-refresh-media
Download that and use the key that came with your laptop to re-install windows You can use sub or dvd,i had do this one for my windows 7 since it fudged up and i left my recovery dvds at home.
It is worth a shot maybe?Sucks that you are having this issue
You can also do the same if you have windows 7 just get the windows 7 version.
I have had little issue with the OS myself and i think it is great and i am glad i made the leap early,though they could be a little more clear on what it does to your old key,as i still not sure if you can still use it or if it some how eats it in a way lol.For that reason i have not updated my laptop one yet as i do not want it to eat my other key and make it invalid to use as i i do not need 10 for my laptop just be nice to update it
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so the real issue is that you don't have the key anymore? first thing i did before installing the upgrade was to read out and save the key. maybe that would have saved you a lot of trouble. also, i believe you could have used the "go back to win8" option, as this was the intended way to revert the upgrade. not completely sure about that last part though.
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Yep. Though saving the key did nothing to stop the others from going. I've had no end of utterly clueless tech support as well - "Please sir, using the key from the CD that your windows is coming from", so I've had to drag my sleeves up and wrangle the tech support myself. I'll feedback when I know what's going on - bad coding or legal shenanigans.
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This only applies to the free upgrade you did not think they would give you a free upgrade without some limitations.?
If you buy a full retail you will get the key.With the upgrade you still get a key it just tied to your account automatically so when you install it next time you will not need a key,and this free upgrade only applies to the device you install it on.
If you did not fully read what the upgrade does and how it works that is not there fault they clearly state how it was going to be done and how it works and what it is limited to.
If you want a key and be able to install it on other devices and not be tied to one then get retail,and what mean by other devices is let say you ditch your current pc and buy a whole new one,you can use retail to migrate the OS to that pc,but with the free upgrade it is locked to the device it was installed on,though i suppose if your lucky and say you replace your motherboard they might allow the free upgrade to active on it.
As far as privacy goes really once your connected to the net you really have little control over it anyhow and people are worried about it on the OS is a bit silly,as most use facebook and they give away way more then what Microsoft is doing or if anything not any worse.Privacy is a thing of the past thanks to technology.
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"If you did not fully read what the upgrade does and how it works that is not there fault they clearly state how it was going to be done and how it works and what it is limited to."
Addressing this first:
Typically, 'excessive fine print' tends to be skipped, and Microsoft are the kings of that. In one of my workplaces, I will have to reinstall about fifteen to twenty computers in a day, and it causes a fairly significant increase to that if I decide to sit and read each term without having a legal background. Now that means fifteen to twenty customers who then need to have an extra copy of Windows added to their repair bill which weren't present before - and that isn't "there" fault?
Addressing the implication of piracy with the first:
I'm not looking for a key to install on other devices. These are my devices, and all four have copies of Windows on them. I'm not looking for extra copies, I am looking to use the key to install my original operating system so that I may upgrade to Windows 10 as necessary or not. On two of the devices, these keys no longer function for the copy of Windows 7 or 8 respectively, as the program claims they're now invalid (installing with internet), or that my copy of Windows delivered from the Microsoft Store "Is not genuine" (if I install 'dry' and then connect it to the net later) - but also do not function for Windows 10. Likewise, contacting Microsoft Tech Support does not alleviate the point, instead attempting to sell me additional keys for US$120-US$200. If I were to apply that tactic to those fifteen to twenty customers (listed above), then here in Australia those same keys would be in the ballpark of $500.
For keys, that ostensibly they already own, for products they have had upgraded by encouragement from the manufacturer, with little to no legal paperwork beforehand ("Upgrade to Windows 10 for free! Click here to reserve your free upgrade!"), and then as added in the first, excessive fine print that is often skipped through. Is that, also, not "there" fault? Perhaps these customers aged between fifty and eighty-three should have said "I expect there may be some form of legalistic chicanery, it is in my best interest that I seek well-informed legal counsel at six hundred dollars an hour before making use of this free upgrade from the manufacturer of my computer's operating platform"? Perhaps you expect that I should have done so, and absorbed the cost for the clients, so to then operate as a legal advisory board for my customers and repeat this every time that Microsoft changes the terms without informing me?
Addressing the rest:
Never complained about the privacy, generally stay out of those debates except where the invasion also causes a disruption. Not seeking to migrate devices, simply to reinstall the product I purchased onto devices I have also purchased, on a one-to-one basis as a responsible tech, which is the expectation unless the customer has paid due attention to early versions of Windows 7 and their allowance of "one desktop, one laptop or notebook" per key and has the product on hand with that framework on the disc. No, I did not expect a free upgrade 'without limitations', but that the free upgrade would not then deny me the capacity to use my existing windows 7 and 8 keys. Lastly, the key was not 'automatically applied to my account' - they were my pre-existing retail keys which are no longer listed on my account in the Windows store, and which now show as 'invalid' according to my new attempts at installation.
Summary:
Did you read through my fairly padded spiel? Congratulations, you probably could now have claimed that people should read the entire legal print without any form of hypocrisy. If you just jumped here out of interest to skip the boring bits, why would you expect people to do otherwise with even more text? Go directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect two hundred dollars.
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Let me rephrase this for you: "Are any of the Is Windows 10 Bugs problematic enough to justify not waiting to upgrade?"
Windows 10 data collection read botnet
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DxDiag already says I have Directx12, what do you mean?
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it's not relevant yet, since no game supports dx12.
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http://www.computerbase.de/2015-07/windows-10-spieler-test-amd-nvidia-geschwindigkeit/2/
Project Cars and AMD hardware seem to benefit quite a lot from Win10.
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but keep in mind that in many cases you probably won't get a noticable increase.
i tried only Starcraft 2 so far. just wanted to know if it works. if it hadn't, i would have gone back to Win8.1 immediately. xD
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and you just want to completely ignore one benchmark and accept only the one that suits you better in this discussion? ^^
i mean, do you think the CB benchmark is fake or something? i said quite a few times, that in most cases you will not get a noticable performance boost. but in certain cases you might. people actually report impressive fps increases in games like Project Cars or Ark. so there is definitely something to it, in certain hardware scenarios. the fact that gamestar benched only a few games with only one specific hardware configuration and didn't notice a relevant performance increase, doesn't negate other benchmarks like the one from CB.
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Absolutely not but i prefer to give out balanced views. The way you presented it is like "hey look. Thats the full truth". Which is wasn't. I told you that there was atleast 1 review that contested it. Thats why i usually don't read tests of a single magazine or site but check the meta reviews over at www.3dcenter.org. I just can tell the site is so great for checking the lastest (and digested!!) news.
As for 3dcenter's Leonidas noted that there was a huge margin between the test of computerbase (on the very optimistic side) and the test of ht4u which had a pretty dull verdict on it (they tested on win7, win 8.1 and finally win10 and in the end it was a +-0% result). The sad thing i just can't find the part back.Took like 10-20min's to search for. Couldn't find again.
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Absolutely not but i prefer to give out balanced views. The way you presented it is like "hey look. Thats the full truth".
that is simply not true. i said over and over again, that those results happen on a very specific configuration, as seen in the benchmark (e.g. AMD graphics card+specific game). the statement you replied to was this here:
Project Cars and AMD hardware seem to benefit quite a lot from Win10.
after that i even said this:
but keep in mind that in many cases you probably won't get a noticable increase.
where did i say that the CB benchmark is the one and only truth? that everything is faster on Win10? i didn't. you seem to just react to the CB benchmark i posted, while completely ignoring what i say in addition to that.
the point is, that while overall there might only be a very small performance boost (if any) on average, you can't deny the fact that in certain configurations there definitely is a noticable increase in performance for certain games, which might be interesting to people who play those games. that is why i post it. i mean, e.g. there are people who say that Ark is so much faster for them now, going from basically unplayable in Win8 to playable (>30fps) in Win10. while that might not be the case for many other games, you can't just ignore that it is the fact for some games (and hardware configurations). unless you think the CB benchmark is a complete fake, and all the people who post their increased fps in forums are liars. ;)
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yes, in certain games and with certain hardware that is true. but that has nothing to do with dx12 (it seems to be due to wddm 2.0).
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Ark Survival Evolved - FPS from 17-22 in 8.1 to 33-40 in 10 - there are games out there that run faster in 10 because DX12 has been implemented in them.
The problem is that most cards are based on architecture that is dx11 coded - but even in those there is a minor increase if fps as dx12 is more streamlined compared to dx11 and those cards can use 12 - but not to maximum ability.
People who see major jumps will be those who purchase newer cards ie - those with revamp chips in the last 12 months.
More games will now be developed with 12 specifically and that will result in better performance all round.
Games I own that I have noticed an increase in:
Ark Survival Evolved.
Batman Arkham Asylum GOTY
Batman Arkham City GOTY
Arma 2
Borderlands 1 & 2
Endless Space
Metro 2033
Games not working:
The Great Art Race.
Applications such as 16 bit versions of Adobe - ie Photoshop 6.1 and 7 will not work without a Virtual Machine. even Compatability Modes no longer work the files.
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Ark Survival Evolved - FPS from 17-22 in 8.1 to 33-40 in 10 - there are games out there that run faster in 10 because DX12 has been implemented in them.
Ark doesn't have DX12 support yet, if i am not mistaken. If you have an increase, it's most likely due to WDDM 2.0.
Applications such as 16 bit versions of Adobe - ie Photoshop 6.1 and 7 will not work without a Virtual Machine. even Compatability Modes no longer work the files.
16-bit application generally don't work under 64-bit OS. they also would not work under 64-bit win8.
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media creation tool worked fine for me. there is also another method. google "windows 10 install wuauclt.exe /updatenow". what i remember:
delete everything in c:\windows\softwaredistribution\download
open windows update
start an administrator console
type wuauclt /updatenow
windows update should download the win10 update now
needless to say: do it at your own risk. ;)
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"Notify when ready" means "We will tell you when you've ALREADY DOWNLOADED it". But different people get access to the download at different times (They don't know when, it just downloads by itself) and even then the download speed varies. I haven't got access yet neither even though I "reserved" it a good few months ago.
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there are ways to install it right now without any more waiting. the media creation tool is one way (the one you should prefer). the method i explained above is another one.
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I reacted the same way. When it was finished installing the Start menu didn't work, search function didn't work, couldn't adjust my volume anymore (Icon was still in the app tray but it didn't respond), and some more bugs.
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ya search bar was wonky for me at first however the age old solution of turning laptop off n on again solved it..
hope yours get fixed. everything looks soooo clean..virtual desktops resizing different windows...once they allow add ons I'll even try the edge browser..
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I went back to 7, will try again in a few months, gonna buy a new mobo soon anyway :)
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Sound worked fine for me it just didn't let me use the icons in the app tray such as the volume etc.
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How do you mean without software support?
DX12 is software, so my understanding is that has been optimised to yield more gains from your hardware.
Nvidia has already updated their drivers to support DX12 in their latest build, if I'm not mistaken.
My understanding could be wrong though, I'm no expert here.
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Its a tiny bit more complex.
Its seemingly alot of additional optimization needed to support low lvl as dx12 or vulcan.
Expect unreal4, crytec, id tech xyz or unity to offer dx12 support. Otherwise spoken: only select games will support it. Much alike the mantle support of current ones.
www.pcgamer.com/what-directx-12-means-for-gamers-and-developers/
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The reason I upgraded was to check out Cortana and see how handy it was. If you want to keep using it, be prepared to log in to a microsoft account every time you boot.
"No microsoft account? No Cortana." (Well F you too, use-our-stuff-before-we-give-you-features-we-promised)
I had a few small problems, but most were easy to fix. Like the lack of lots of drivers, a reboot took care of most of them.
Some files didn't have the same standard program as before. Also an easy fix.
My mouse was extremely sensitive even on the slowest settings (both movement and scrolling), got use to it, then it fixed itself the next day.
As for the big question I had: Gaming.
If you upgrade to 10, save yourself some trouble and reinstall the needed stuff, like XNA framework if you have it (e.g. for terraria), Direct X, etc...
Some games might have different resolution settings, just change it back to whatever you used.
After that, the only thing I had trouble with (so far) was my "lost" Torchlight 2 save.
Apparently Windows 10 decided that when I disabled logging in with a microsoft account and switching to a local account (like it was before I upgraded) that I didn't have all rights to my documents folder. Even though I was administrator and that was the account I always used to log in.
Which made some games crash on startup and some games simply not having a save file to access.
Once I figured they couldn't write to the folder, it was easy to fix, but bloody hell did I search for an answer. (note to self: if it keeps asking for permission, it doesn't have all rights)
In general I'm pretty satisfied. Bugs don't.. bug me.., because I don't use a lot of features. The things I do use, work.
My games I tried, play as they should. I seem to have 10GB more space on my C: drive. And my antivirus is still an A-hole.
All in all, things stayed the same for me.
As some people mentioned before, it's not really worth upgrading to yet unless you can't wait to try out stuff.
(Edit: Holy hell I ramble on, and I suck at writing it down too. tldr; Wait with upgrading unless you don't want to wait.)
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No, I just gave myself full control over the folder on the account I'm logged into and it works.
I had already solved that, sorry if it was unclear.
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I encountered some problems with linking local and MS account together but it occurred when I switched between them about 1000 times.
Some Store apps also don't work but I guess they'll fix those soon.(And there were no Store in Win7 so you're not losing anything...)
And if you don't feel like typing your PW every time you want to log in, you can simply make a PIN as simple as 1111 or 1234.
I don't know about Win8 but Win7 upgraded flawlessly.
EDIT. It's great if you have multiple monitors!
EDIT2. It's also a quite a bit faster than Win7
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no problem so far
boot up and shutdown are also faster
more responsive and game feels faster
but some application (portable) sometimes suddenly closed without warning
but ive been use it for a day non stop though
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I have msi ge60 i reserved update but it still disnt came!i'm running win8.1 now.
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Win 10 works perfectly fine for me. Less ram usage, WAY less storage usage, I actually installed 3-4 games to my SSD+OS+programs and I still have a crap ton of space.
I did an upgrade so Microsoft registers my product key, then did a clean install.
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Just upgraded and love the fact that it actually boost performance of my games. This is not a placebo shit, I've been playing games in my mid-tier laptop from Win 7 to Win 8.1 and see no significant difference until I upgraded to Windows 10. The framerate boost is so noticeable.
Of course if you are power user you don't have to worry about every issue around it... I don't login with my MS Account ever since Win 8, I have no use of cortana, I still chose my Chrome over Edge, I instantly get rid of all "modern" apps in my system etc.
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The only Windows 10 bugs I've encountered so far is with new video player, which freezes every time I try to go fullscreen. As well as the new picture viewer, which worked great to begin with... but now for some reason instantly crashes every time I try to open a file. Those are minor issues though.
Besides, the old video & image viewer is still in there too and work just fine. Technically, the OS has worked very well so far. Gaming just works and preforms equal to, or perhaps slightly better than, Windows 8.1.
The only concerns I have with Windows 10 is the privacy issues. The licence agreements where you basically forfeit all rights to your privacy... or the numerous settings that is on by default set to collect your data. Those are things that make me say maybe hold off on upgrading for a bit. You might get the OS for "free" but the actual price might be higher than we think.
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When I upgraded windows 10 the newest (and as of now current) AMD driver seemed to have an incompatibility with my graphics card that would cause an "Internal Power Error" and give me the blue screen of death a few minutes after reboot. I had to restore back to Window 8.1. Of course this is just my experience, everyone else seems to have had better luck.
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I encountered framerate hitches and a BSOD while playing the Talos Principle on Windows 10 maxed out with a GTX 570. It had been fine on Windows 7, so I restored my backup (make one yourself, the Windows rollback feature failed for me!) and plan to wait a few months for bugs to get ironed out.
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I'm waiting to see some games I play get win 10 and DX12 support and thus holding off upgrading.
Dare I ask what's this about them keeping a CD key I have a physical copy of my key from Win 7 as i have the disks ect still so how would this be a problem for me?
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Not gonna bother upgrading tbh. Planning on building a new pc piecemeal throughout the year and, once done, then move to W10. There doesn't seem to be a huge advantage to shifting over besides being one of the first peeps to do so atm.
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I dont know if it mentioned earlier because I didnt read all the comments, but my experience with the win10 is really bad. I only saw it once in a friends pc (we installed the win7 for them and they upgraded it without consultation) and the ethernet and wlan was conpletely gone. I tried for 2hour to get it working but nothing helped. They had absolutely no connection.
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If you can live with the stuff, microsoft does to its users, then maybe.
they always ignored the wishes of users for more freedom and the ability to customize their os.
why i am not upgrading:
microsoft fucked up with windows 8 and promised to do better and to listen to the users that want more freedom and now look what they did...
i will keep my windows 7, which is the best windows so far and i am hoping valve helps getting linux to spread so i can finally switch over to a system where i can decide what my hardware, which i bought from my money, can and will do.
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change hardware and you can no longer use this version (free upgrade from 7 and 8) and you have to buy a new one (yes, even if you only swap out your broken graphics card for the same one as stated by a MS support guy shown on imgur)
in germany (and a few other countries) this is actually not true. since you live in germany, i thought you should know. MS is bound by law to let us install our win10 on different hardware, even if we use OEM licenses. :)
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That may be the case, but why do we have to regulate such things by law to get our right? why do i have to call them and threaten them with laws to get what is mine by right.
I do not want to support a company that is ignoring my wishes after they promised to do the opposite.
I do not want the operating systems to go down this path in the future.
We want more freedom, even if it comes for the price of convenience.
If you are overwhelmed by an operating system that lets you change it as you wish, you should consider buying mac osx,
since this is the opposite, where you have no rights and everything is "so easy".
I just hat this trend for easy and convenient hard- and software that tells you what is good for you and disables the possibility to change everything to your needs.
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I only upgraded my tablet. So far the interface is a little hit and miss. I'm considering switching it to desktop mode. Still, after getting used to a few quirks and setting the OS the way I like it, it seems okay. Haven't had any serious problems, but haven't really tried running anything.
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