Not posting the url because i dont know if its agains the rules
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The case is not about the debt per se, but how the elit will create fear for anyone (else) who is/will not obey them. Greece is the scapegoat.
About the topic, there is no way that the money will be gathered, but it is a symbolic move of support.
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100% with you, also i think the elite is distracting us from the TTIP (in U.S.A. they did great with the homosexual marriage)
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Since the guy that start it its from England, i wont call it taxes
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€1,003,750EUR raised by 59,010 people in 3 days
Wow, not even 1% of the debt, but still it's a huge amount of money
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Even if 500.000 people gave each on average something around 100 Euro they still wouldn't even get close :D
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this is a great way to show the people how much money that realy is...
it is totaly crazy and no country could ever pay that amount of money back
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Well consider that the US spend 610 BILLION $ just on their military (source https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States) i would say that some country's could pay back that amount of money.
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it is not just the 1.6billion, that are just one rate. In fact we talk about 316.997.357.518€.
we talk about a country with a GDP of ~ 250billion€.
so okay, you are right "no country" is a bit wrong but i say no country could pay a debt with a ratio like this to the GDP
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they can pay it back..by loaning more money and paying the debt.but then in a few years they will have to loan money again to pay the previous loan and so on.
Just look at the uSA.The USA is basically owned by China.
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it is not "pay back" if i have to loaning more money :)
funny thing:
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/germany
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/unitedstates
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/greece
http://www.nationaldebtclocks.org/debtclock/china
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thats how the economy works....every financial professional will tell you that
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It's not a question if some countries could pay it or not. Germany alone could pay it if they wanted to. The problem is that they have already been paying it for the past several years and the Greek show next to zero indication about actually doing anything about their own debt, they just casually live off others' money. This is what the debtors kinda got fed up with and this is why you could hear talks for months now that it'd be better to let them sink into state bankruptcy.
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Depends how you look at it. You could view it as a means by which these debt-laden nations become slaves of the Western powers headed by the United States; the irony being that it is from Greeks that 'democracy' derives. The rich become richer whilst the poor become poorer having become tied to their ideology. When the UK and the U.S invaded Iraq, Afghanistan and so on, the negative inclusion of debt whilst signing on, was never included in the small print!
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That should be, rich become richer, poor become richer, and unwilling stagnate, but instead, taxation and social programs means, the super rich stagnate, the merely rich get poorer, the poor get poorer and the unwilling get richer.
Of course we could have socialism, where the select few get richer and everyone in general get poorer, even faster with more taxation and social welfare. Lets race to the bottom, yay.
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But I am still willing to participate on it. The €1.6 bn euros are what they had to pay to the IMF until 30 June.
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And this is why you should never borrow money from the IMF. :D
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Well, if you borrow money from the IMF and you give it to the banks instead of invest it to actually help the people, yeah....
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Nope, just don't borrow money from them at all. They simply give you a lot of money at the start, without any real plan as to how you are going to repay any of the money. They give you billions and billions, and after you've spent it all, they come to ask for it. Romania is in a similar situation, just hasn't reached the stage where they ask for their money back.
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You seem to not understand that the whole money idea is based on borrowing and owning "money" you don't own. There will never be a balance because if one person has more money it means someone else has less.
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The only issue is that IMF doesn't advertise the money they give you as a loan. They promote as more of a grant to boost the economy and investments, even though when you are unable to pay your debts they force you into closing all your factories and simply purchase products produced by foreign companies. Yes, I know the wording is not necessarily perfect, but I'm in a rush. The whole point is: they give you money, you can't pay back, they close your industry, you buy their products at overpriced rates.
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it is not even this.
"invest" is an easy word but in the reality it isn't so easy to do.
Most countries allready have a lot of debts before they get in contact with the IMF that they have to pay back AND the IMF didn't just give you money. They combine this with different restrictions and mostly they don't say "invest" but "save".
And like you can see in a lot of countries all over the world "save money" isn't the solution to reform a country.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DT7bX-B1Mg This happened with the IMF money in all countries ( i love how island did, jailing corrupt politicians and bankers)
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i could give you spanish sources if you want, i dont have any english website :)
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that could kinda work, go ahead :p
but that means you didn't look at factual sources? as in the source of a source?
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https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rescate_bancario_espa%C3%B1ol , http://www.mientrastanto.org/boletin-122/notas/el-coste-del-rescate-bancario-las-cifras-reales , http://www.eldiario.es/internacional/Islandia-banqueros-concedieron-prestamos-imprudentes_0_85041646.html , http://www.elconfidencial.com/mundo/2011-03-20/islandia-el-pais-que-castiga-a-los-banqueros-culpables-de-la-crisis_420588/
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You deserve whitelist for that great pic
...but then I saw your profile :(
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first it would be very strange to whitelist anyone for a bucket with holes, second what did change your mind....that i´m a frog, or i´m a bavarian
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I just don't understand why almost all your giveaways are invite only...
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I do from time to time public Giveaways...but just doing Giveaways is not fun...puzzles are fun....and they are open for everyone...sometimes hard...but always with a easy section. Ok but meanwhile all my giveaways are lvl2+ ...sorry if you stay longer on this site you will know why.
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So they got a loan of money they didn't give back and now some people want to give them the amount of money they already owe for them to lol pay their debt ? Man, what a nice idea.
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People didnt got any money, the banks got all the "rescue" (like on most of the countries)
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oh yeah i get it. not really surprised. i'm not really aware of these stuffs so the idea sounded silly to me. still, trying to basically save greek people out of kickstarter is a big bet
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Well, a friend explained how that website works, the creator could created the project "flexible" so he could get the money even if he wont get the goal, the way that he did, he only can get the money if the project reach the 1293710974 millions that is not going to happend (its a lot of money tbh)
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Actually they gave it "back". For example germany get 350million € from 2010 - 2015 just interest.
That is the big problem, they have to take new credits to pay the old interests (not even the old credits)
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That crowd funding thing can't help when even the interest (Zinsen) of the debt can't be covered lol ...
Debt shouldn't have interest, much like money in general ... this insanity will destroy shine-existent "western" economy sooner than later. In 5 - 20 years from now we'd either have new a revolutionary economic system (as if) or a fine a WW-III - reallocation of wealth and reboot of the same shit system as always (high likely).
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The emergence of the BRICS economic 'union' (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) is seen as an attempt to challenge the western powers' stranglehold.
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Not any more. Russia is in trouble already with these oil prices, Brazil is just living off from state capture and insane taxes, India is stopping because its getting flooded with its own poverty class, China is in small turmoil because their economic growth is slowing and it cannot sustain their system that much. BRIC seemed like a powerhouse five years ago, now they are just a toy train instead of a roaring steam engine. But at least they are still going, and that's more than a few countries could say.
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In fact did you read the article about George Soros, warning there was “No Exaggeration” That China-US On “Threshold Of World War 3″. I found it pretty interesting.
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No hadn't read that, but lots of sources claim a WW3 is in the bushes ...yet i don't think China will be in the kick-starting role in this event. The USA however i believe will gladly give a hand, to whomsoever is willing to wage a war outside their country -
for "mad gainz" as always.
*just some quote:
"Whereas Roosevelt tended to be flexible in coping with the Russians, Truman held sterner views. "If we see that Germany is winning the war, we ought to help Russia; and if that Russia is winning, we ought to help Germany, and in that way let them kill as many as possible. . . ." he said as a Senator in 1941."
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The current economic system is broken.Sooner or later we will have a global financial collaps.That will happen when countries can't pay their debts to each other or to banks,corporations etc.Basically what happened to Greece will happen to the entire world in a domino effect style sooner or later.
Economists don't know what will happen,how much will the financial collapse last,what would be the consequences etc.
This happens because countries have no money..they have debt and imaginary money in computers.
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Meh, i'd rather see them turn the debt into a game on steam so they can give it away here.
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As a Greek, I don't even know what to comment on this :D
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It's not flexible funding by indiegogo (refund if goal is not reached) so this is surely going to fail.
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yeah, a friend told me how that page works, and thats kinda dissappointed me
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Well, stop supporting lazy government ! Let the this Greek's government fall down for the new better one !
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they changed the government, this one is the new and have nothing to do with the last one (the one that ask for money and make it gone )
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I think that Europe will support the new government as their future profit. Because whole debt is by government system, and it's Greek's people fault, I guess it'll be better to wait for the renew progress completed, or it'll be sand of the ocean !
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Why is Greek's people fault? That's the lie that here in Spain they are telling, government says that its the fault of the people that we are in crysis, so they ask for a loan to help us, but they give the loan to the banks and the money dissappear, so we have to pay increased taxes while the government steal the money
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Absolutely that is mostly government system fault, but in my opinion, there still be a minor fault of Greek's people because they believe blindly in their government and why not overthrow (?), they choose to keep it in peace which means pain in the ass, the real example recently is what happen in HongKong- they fail but at least they try! And if Greek's people do a coup to their government, there will be a small chance to stop the government or at least- call for help !!!
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I dont know about Greek laws etc, but here in Spain you vote every 4 years to choose a government, and then they can do whatever they want to, even if they promise something in the elections... And people cant do anything, until 4 years pass and they choose again (yeah, you could go to a protest march, but that only works if the government want to listen to the people ....) But yeah, im agreed with you, our government from the last 4 years was choosen by only 1/3 of the votes, because a lot of people just didnt vote or voted null (in my opinion they wasted the vote, but meh ) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_general_election,_2011
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It is partly people's fault. It was an awful financial management of the government and the fact that people didn't react to that.
The salaries where huge,so were the pensions while the prices where in the rock bottom.The evasion of taxes was a usual thing to do and this is something that played huge part in this whole situation. It's just that people back then (80's-00's) didn't quite care or maybe didn't know what consequences this may have. They all were part of this, some more some less.
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Lol, they're gonna spend half of the money just for sending people those perks.
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The chances of this going anywhere and not being a scam... There have been a few of these types of scams, assuming it is a scam.
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A friend told me about this site, if you create some kind of charity project, you could make it "flexible" that means that if you dont get the goal, you could get the money , but this guy just did it the normal way, if you dont get the goal, all the money go back to their owners. But yeah, too sad that we cant trust eachother anymore :(
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Ah, so it has a system set up that allows people to get their money back? I'm assuming that type of system is new which is pretty depressing if it is.
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More info from the maker here: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/01/greek-bailout-crowdfund-politicians-euros-people
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A: Gib me moneyz, I'll gib back later
B: k, take dis moneyz
A: Gib me moar moneyz, I'll gib back later
B: k, take dis moneyz
A: I need moneyz, economiez downdowndown
B: k, but if I gib you moar moneyz, u muzt do diz and diz
A: k, I will
B: k, take dis
A: I have no moneyz, gib me moar
B: whut? k, I can gib u bit moar, but u muzt do what I told u to do... take dis
A: k
A: I need moneyz, I'm poor and have big debt
B: whut? k, I can gib u bit moar, but u muzt do what I told u to do... take dis
A: u stupid, me not gonna pay debt. I also want moar moneyz
B: wtf? k, take dis lil bit, but you must do what I told u
A: I hatez u, I need moneyz and u no gib. I not gonna pay u moneyz, u thief, u shuld be assamed of urself
peoplez reaction: gib Greece moneyz u stupid thief, u bad guy did bad things to Greece, I luv Greece, u stupid
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The past twelve years of Greek economy in a nutshell.
Well, apart from the few statistics machinations (fraud even?) where they masked their own problems for a few years in fear that they'll lose Euro.
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The problem is the "do this" that they have been requested the last years, and what they did. If they can't raise and grow, they will never be able to return it.
Your example with two persons is completely ridiculous and non-applicable.
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A: Gib me moneyz, I'll gib back later (gave it to the corrupt bankers that will share it with the corrupt government)
B: k, take dis moneyz
A: Gib me moar moneyz, I'll gib back later (gave it to the corrupt bankers that will share it with the corrupt government)
etc etc Again, this is for the corrupt people in the government (not only in greece, in almost all countries) dont blame the 99% for the 1%
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there's a "reply" button under a comment, I'd prefer if you used the reply, then I'll reply back, nothing personal
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There is already a way to crowdfund debt. In fact, you don't even have to enroll.
It's called tax.
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that would be great if people have jobs and good salary, i think is not the case
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Greeks are in this situation only thanks to themselves. Look up what kind of benefits they get, they are paid for washing hands or being on time at work. They completely lost control.
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Not to mention the amount of people that still received pension from the goverment for their 150+ year old parents
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Oh that's just a small fragment. For most of the population, their main ambition seems to be nesting themselves good in some made up goverment sector, do nothing 8 hours a day for rest of their "working" life and retire as soon as possible (45-50) with insanely huge one time payouts and absurd pensions. You had people in their 50s getting 2000€ pensions when minimum wage is 500€. Also everyone favorite hobby are tax evasions on national level and not to mention how the economic system is completely rotten. It is not uncommon for farmers to apply for a farmer's subsidy, get approved, and simply destroy the crops.
It was a mistake to ever let them in EU considering what happened.
They really did this to themselves.
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So, a guy put on a Crowdfunding site this idea, at first i laugh thinking it was a joke, but after reading it i think its a very good idea (well, if the guy reach the goal and actually give the money instead of dissappear with it). Not GA inside, sorry :(
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