Good enough config?
Idk why but kinda surprised me you go for gtx 2060. Had you memorized as some privilaged content creator.
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I mean, it's not top of the line but a raytracing card with 6 GB of memory is more than average (and enough), wouldn't you agree?
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I guess if you don't want to run upcoming games on ultra?
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Life is a game of win and lose, what can I say
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that 6 gigs of vram is getting slightly outdated, modern games will have performance issues even at 1080p resolution.
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More than plenty that will run just fine on 1440p. I had a 1660 Ti (6 GB vram) until recently and ran most games with ultra settings and still got acceptable FPS.
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you also want it to be future proof if you're buying a new pc, 6gb vram is at the tip of being below the minimum requirement for new demanding games
if there's any component in a pc where you could spend more for improvement it's definitely the gpu.
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Not an expert on this, but from my own (limited) research I would prefer RTX 3050 8GB over RTX 2060 6GB (in the price category you're looking at). The performance is comparable, it will be better in some games, worse in others, but the RTX 3050 should be cheaper, and more future proof. The 6 GB might not be a problem now, but in another couple of years, there will most likely be games that cause some problems, especially if they are more poorly optimised.
Anyway, RTX 3050 is the card I would go for if I could afford an upgrade or a gaming PC. It is the best price per performance at 1080p you can get if you buy a new Nvidia card. RTX 3060 has slightly better price per performance if you play at 1440p. Though depends how good of a deal you can get, obviously something like RTX 3060 Ti would be much more future proof, but in most cases it is a huge increase in price as well.
Though AMD cards in general are better value. RX 6600 is much better value for money with 8 GB VRAM, if you don't mind going AMD.
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It's their very bottom card with ray-tracing hardware, from 5 years ago. Games with ray-tracing support now simply aren't written with that card in mind, and chances are that they never really were, as the 2060 came out last in its series (2080 launched in September, the 2070 in October, and the 2060 in January next year, skipping the Christmas season, ensuring that early adaptors buy the high-end variants). And this likely applies to game developers too.
https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ says that the most common VRAM size is 8GB, and the average is a bit higher.
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Good config, but could be better, depend of the type of games you played, correspond to recommended config for PS5 only games, release in the early life of this console (Recommended config for Ratchet and clank Rift apart - RAM: 16GB / GPU : Nvidia GEFORCE RTX 2060)
But AAA release in the next 5 years may need better config.
On my side i have a weaker config (8 GB RAM / Nvidia GEFORCE RTX 1050 / SSD : 128 Go + 1 To Disk Space), but ok for me because never play new AAA games and only games that was bundled or epic freebie (so old AAA), and work on 95% of the case, or go for low setting for some of them (like Maneater ...)
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That's funny, I ran that game just fine on my 1050Ti
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Run it on a laptop + on Epic + my laptop is now +3 years old.
Also only have 2 Go VRAM, so could be the difference because semi open-world game.
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I have 16 Gb ram, gtx 3060 ssd 1Tb and already faced some limits when I want to play new releases, mostly due to weak ass cpu as I have only i5 10 300H.
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What resolution you are going to play with?
2060 specially with 6GB is getting slightly dated... But then again better cards are lot more expensive.
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I have a 2060S, it's ok for games in general, I can run most new titles with mid settings at least. I can't really run any game with ray tracing or epic settings, I think Control was the only one I was able to get 30 something fps with RT, most other titles were just too demanding. If I were you, I would maybe buy a used 30 or 40 series card, in my region their prices are comparable.
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"Most new titles" makes it sound like the card would struggle with some games. Is there any that you can't get 60 fps on the highest settings without RT at 1080p? I can't imagine RTX 2060 Super struggling with any game for many, many years to come at 1080p.
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Highest setting?
I tried Alan Wake 2, barely got numbers higher than 30, definitely never hit 60 let alone 40 for the most part.
Played Witchfire on release, got something around 50.
Plague Tale Requiem was usually at 60 on high on ultra it dropped to 40 something.
Returnal was strange, I could never get a consistent 60, needed heavy tweaking and a lot of trial and error.
Jedi Survivor was also usually at 60 with some dips here and there.
I also play indie games that are usually badly optimized, that's why I wrote most newer titles in middle settings should run fine.
One note: DLSS helps a lot, if a game has it.
I imagine the 2060S will start to struggle with graphically demanding games coming out next year and after.
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Alan Wake 2 from what I understand is horribly optimised though, but fair enough, I guess it will be more games starting to push the card at the highest setttings.
Was mostly watching benchmark videos and even cards much weaker than RTX 2060 always perform amazing on most games shown, so that's why it was suprising to me. Still, I usually play the bigger games on the lowest settings at sub 30 fps (Marvel's Midnight Suns that I've been playing a lot recently, I'm averaging around 20 fps, with drops to single digits, on lowest possible settings), so I suppose I am more easily impressed. π
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What kind of card are you using? I am not sure 20 fps is something I would ever play, that just feels painful. :/
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That's kind of the issue, no card, it's integrated graphics. It is an old laptop I use for work and studies, but it works alright for gaming too. But I'm very used to budget laptop gaming and playing games at potato graphics and slideshow framerates. Once you get used to it, it is not a problem.
Especially for a turn based game, 20 fps is perfectly fine. Very low framrate and constant framedrops are more annoying when it is an action game where timing and reflexes matter, because then you pretty much have to put the difficulty down just to be able to play the game (can make it impossible timing parry, for example).
One nice extra for low spec gaming is that when eventually I will get a better computer, replaying many of the games I currently can barely run, will be like getting a remastered version for free. π
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It wouldn't be free, since you are technically paying for better hardware and right now by not paying your are essentially excluding yourself from certain games. 20fps is fine for turn based I guess, but a playing anything combat focused doesn't sound particularly fun, I mean I can get used to watching movies on a phone, but it doesn't feel like that's the best intended experience, but if it's fun for you, I don't want to ruin it.
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At some point (maybe 5, maybe 10 years from now) I will need a new laptop anyway, for work and daily use, so I wouldn't be upgrading for gaming, but it will still perform better in games I could barely run before. And then it really does feel like playing a new game, when you've played through it on lowest settings at 20 fps, to years later finally playing it at higher settings and better frameframe. And you don't have to pay for the game itself again, like you would for an official remaster. So, in that sense, all those existing games I already have, will feel like they've gotten a remaster just for me. Of course, I'm not fully serious about the remaster point, it's just a more positive way to look at it for myself. π
Also most games I can't run are very expensive, and I wouldn't play anyway for a couple of years until they are in bundles, or have huge discounts. For example, when AC Syndicate came out, my computer couldn't run it, and it would have been expensive to get it, but I waited some years, and now it runs on my current laptop, and I got it for free from Ubisoft. It worked out really well.
And excluding oneself from playing some games is not a bad thing. There are far too many games out there anyway, and why spend a lot of money on new hardware and new games, when I still have so many games on my backlog that I have not yet played. When I will run out of backlog games, and the only games I have left to play will be latest AAA, then it will be time to upgrade, but I don't see that happening.
In general, I agree that playing games sub 30 fps is not optimal, but once you get used to it, it stops mattering, and you can stilll have an amazing experience. Remember Shadow of the Colossus on PS2? That game ran 14 - 20 fps in most of the Colossi encounters. However, back then very few people were complaining about the framerate, and instead it was lauded as a masterpiece and one of the best games ever made for PS2. It was and still is one of my all time favorite games. Similarily, GTA San Andreas on PS2 would average about 20 fps in more intense moments (shootouts, car crashes, explosions). So, a poor framerate doesn't stop a great gaming experience, though a good one can definitely enhance it.
Sorry for the long rant, it's basically me justifying my low spec gaming (to myself), so I don't feel bad ππ
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For 1449 KM converting to 740 eur for a pre-built looks good..
Though my suggestions is to go for 32gb ram and video card with 8GB even for 1080p if you are looking to play newer titles also..
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I can get it down to 739 EUR if I charm them with my good looks and dreamy blue eyes
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I think for the price it looks pretty good. Remember this is coming from someone with limited budget running a refurbished Alienware Aurora R7
Maybe a bit more ram, I have extra ram and it is cheap
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I agree that the 2060 is a little on the weak side, and I would not be expecting to run almost anything with RT at acceptable frame rate, but if it does what you want it to do within your budget, sure. You can always get something better later. The rest of the PC should be able to handle a much better GPU if you decide to upgrade later.
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The prebuilt in the same website with the rx 6600 and i5-12400F is a bit better if you can get that one.
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Ok, thank you all for the invaluable feedback so far but I now have a follow-up question:
What about this config if we compare it with the config in my topic title https://www.mediamarket.rs.ba/index.php/racunari/gaming-racunari/xpg-valor-air-detail ?
Have in mind that there's only 75 EUR/82 $ price difference between those two but I'm also asking because I know nothing about AMD cards
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If you don't care about RT, for which 2060 is likely underpowered anyway I think it might be better option.
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No but they're better at it. Unfortunately the 2060 is fundamentally dreadful and the 6600 struggles with RT on so whichever way you go it isn't really going to be a thing. Your best bet for that on a budget would likely be building a system from secondhand parts and using the money you save to upgrade to a rx6700 but that's upto your local market/willingness I guess.
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Looks better but TBH, chances of getting truly new RTX 2060 are near zero after ~4 years after release. Only thing I don't like in both configs are power supplies.
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i heard they still have driver related problems and cause crashes
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AMD ryzen 7 5800x3D should be minimum
600W 80+ psu should be minimum
all others will be a bad investment
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I can agree, altough 5600X(3D) and 5700X(3D) are also good choice. Unfortunately, prices of PC components in Bosnia are much higher than in EU. :(
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At least PSU part depends on the person I think. Personally I like power-saving components and my PSU is 300W and I don't even use it fully. Though newer cards require generally more power, so I wouldn't go lower than 500W I guess, 450W would be pushing it.
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If you plan to replace it soon-ish, it's ok for what it's worth. If you plan to give it a long life, I'd wait to gather more money and up the specs a bit more in each field. If it's for gaming, then specially the GPU. The 2060 is subpar for raytracing unless you're in low resolutions. I know, I have one (the SUPER version with more VRAM).
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RTX 2060 Super is faster ~12% compared to RTX 2060, but those 2 cards are released 5 years ago and don't expect finding really new one, only used.
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Edit: You don't need to watch or listen to the review because it is about the 4060, but you can skip ahead and look at the game benchmark charts. There is a chapter marker for each game tested. Each game starts at 1080p and then switches to 1440p. If you don't know, you can switch to the next chapter marker on Youtube by using control + right arrow.
Here is a helpful video. This is a review for the current gen 4060, but it goes back to include the 2060 and most mid range GPUs in between. You can see how that GPU will compare to more recent GPUs in modern games. The tests are done in 1080p and 1440p and I believe most are done at the highest settings possible, so you could reduce some quality settings and get better performance if that is what you want.
The 1080p 15 game average at 12:50 shows that the 2060 got 62fps and the 2060 super got 72. So the super is about 16% faster.
I also would not consider the 2060 a ray tracing GPU. It technically can support it, but I remember it being laughed at back when it was released because it is not powerful enough and turning any kind of ray tracing on will destroy your performance. Even the 2070 and 2080 are not worth turning ray tracing on. The current 40 series is starting to get to the point where it can be worth turning on, but a lot of people still don't consider it worth the performance penalty unless you have a 4080 or 4090.
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What Sassdrake and AllTracTurbo said. A bit better, more memory (8GB instead of 6GB) but not worth getting either now. If you're going to play any new game coming in the next 2 years, you'll regret it, IMHO. I can play at 4K 60fps as long as the game is not very new.
I got the SUPER because at those times there were real shortages of GPUs, when the 30xx series went out, if you remember. For some reason the SUPER was a few bucks more than the normal, and then going for a 30xx was more than double the price. So I thought, I get this one now and in a few years I get a recent faster-than-light one. This would have been the year, but I lost the job. Yes I built this computer to last long, so I can withstand what it has and I'm caring it SUPERwell.
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These prices seem really high if they're without the monitor, but maybe EU prices are different?
Edit- the CPU is 4 years old now and the last of the previous series, better to go for AMD 7600 and DDR5
The GPU is 3 generations and 5 years old and was limited because of its low VRAM even when it launched
For $800 there is a lot better you can do
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Bosnia is not part of EU and price of PC parts are much higher than in EU. Small market... :(
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At this point I am just parroting what the others said.
The overall config is decent, but the 2060 really holds it back. I'd say its the worst part of the system and you would be advised to look for a similar config with an RX6600 instead if you want an entry level gaming PC. Maybe add a little better PSU to the list.
Would not it be cheaper to order the hardware components individually and assembling the PC yourself?
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seems a little to weak personally
not familiar enough with CPU's to comment on that
I wouldn't get anything with DDR4 RAM in 2024. 16GB is probably fine... but these days I would start pushing to get 32GB
GPU I would at least get the RTX 2060 super, more VRAM is always nice to have, there might be a better option in this price range as well.
the differences of making those upgrades now is much smaller than upgrading later.
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Please, don't use the metric system for pricing goods. π
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Unless you explicitly want to buy in that store, there are also some alternatives in OLX stores. Problem, not so good PSUs but you can always ask if they have quality ones.
https://mickey84.olx.ba/artikal/54805561#
https://mickey84.olx.ba/artikal/54917983#
https://olx.ba/artikal/54613948#
https://olx.ba/artikal/55264523#
If you decide to buy components invidually and build it yourself, you will save money but it may take up to one month to get all components.
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imo no, it's not really worth the price, on top of that you don't know what's inside from the website, you can try to make one in https://pcpartpicker.com/list/ (or similar sites to check for compatibility) and buy the parts yourself if you can find a better deal
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The price seems a little bit higher for what you get I think. The system is fine but maybe you can go full AMD. RX 7800 XT's performance is almost twice, that would add $150 to your total system price and it's worth it. If it's not urgent, I would say wait a little and buy a system that will last longer than this.
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Think about this way: I bought a laptop with a better GPU (RTX 3060 6GB) 18 months ago for 1,000 Euro. Important components are two generations behind {GPU, Mobo) and you have no real upgrade path with AM4. I'd save up some more money and buy into an AM5 system or slap it together myself
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Most people don't upgrade cpu imo..And instead go for a new platform etc..
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tbh, GPU and storage is the main thing people upgrade.
pay for good MB/CPU/RAM/PSU up front and let it run its lifetime(6-10yrs average), then upgrade to the latest again.
incrementally upgrading storage as needed, replacing GPU once you start to feel yours being to weak for what you play.
I am at the step in upgrades I am not looking forward to... monitors, I want to go up to 1440p... but those don't really exist until 27"... I want 23-24"
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Gigabyte PSU 550W 80+ Bronze
Really trying to reach the sky there, are we?
(those things are known to sometimes randomly explode)
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Remember prebuilts will be always expensive than your own build.
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New plan:
Ryzen 5600X
KINGSTON FURY 32GB Beast DDR4 3200MHz CL16 KIT KF432C16BB1K2/32
Gigabyte WindForce RTX 4060 8GB
Crucial P3 1TB
ASRock B450M PRO4 R2.0
Gigabyte P650G 650W.
All this for 1515 KM. How does this seem now?
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1515 KM is around $830 here in the USA. That's right around the price you would pay for a new prebuilt with a 4060 here in the USA as well.
The 3070 and 4070s are a lot better, but you're looking at a price jump to $1300+ on the prebuilt pcs I'm seeing.
Overall for the price point you've mentioned I think that prebuilt is good.
Here's an example I found quickly on Amazon. Skytech PC for $850
https://www.amazon.com/Skytech-Gaming-Nebula-PC-Desktop/dp/B0C9PNZJCF
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Can you swap that Gigabyte PSU for a Corsair? They don't even make the PSUs but I think CWT makes Corsair ones and they're better overall. I'm outdated as hell though.
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RTX 4060 is overpriced underperformer only saving grace is DLSS 3 fake frame generation besides 8 GB VRAM will be not enough any longer.
As others said in this price bracket AMD has better GPU options. I'd go for a RX 7800 or if you need Nvidia get a 4070 at least.
And if you want to stick with AM4 look for DDR4 3600 CL 16 to squeeze out a few percent more performance.
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For the price point of around $800 a 4060 is probably the best you can get in a prebuilt. For an RX 7800 prebuilt you're looking at around $1500.
There's big sales that happen where you might be able to get something better for that price point. Those might be worth waiting for depending on things.
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In here there's a big difference in $$ between the 4060 and the 7800XT. There's no RX 7800 at all. Most of the time resellers pick the ones that gives them the best revenue.4070 and 7800XT are most on par. Team Red anyday.
So I'm guessing 7700XT still a better choice than the 4060 right?
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I'm not familiar with the new lineup I honestly thought he was talking about a non XT version that had a good price cut like in the 6xxx series.
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So I'm guessing 7700XT still a better choice than the 4060 right?
7700XT beats 4060TI so 4060 by a huge margin. 7700XT has a pricing problem its price is too near to 7800XT to convince customers to not spend a little more and get a superior 7800XT.
Here's a link to PCGH analysis https://www.pcgameshardware.de/Radeon-RX-7700-XT-Grafikkarte-279842/Tests/Release-Preis-kaufen-Specs-Benchmarks-RTX-4060-Ti-1428327/2/
It's written in German but numbers are the same internationally.
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I don't know how much that PSU costs but You may consider this one too:
https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/psu/cp-9020221-na/cx-m-series-cx650m-650-watt-80-plus-bronze-semi-modular-atx-psu-cp-9020221-na
No clue on which company makes thoses PSUs for Gigabyte. Some of the EVGA ones are made by Superflower which is top notch.
Awesome system btw π
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This is much better but I would prefer RX 7800 XT instead of RTX 4060 (unless you need CUDA).
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It's good. A B550 motherboard would be better if you can get one for around the same price, but that ASRock board is okay. Bear in mind that if you're building this on your own, go for a regular Ryzen 5600, not the X variant. It's almost identical speed-wise and can easily be overclocked to outmatch a 5600X (of course, you can also OC a 5600X, but the difference will still be small).
Not sure why so many 7800XT suggestions, you're on a budget and that card is nearly twice as expensive. Might as well tell you to get a 7900 XTX or 4080 Super because they're even better.
The AMD alternative to a 4060 is a 7600 which, while cheaper, is an even worse purchase IMO. The 7600 XT is ~$50 more (not sure about your country) and faster, but not in ray-tracing. Nvidia also has DLSS as a selling point. So really a 4060, while for many reasons considered a disappointment, might be the best you can get for that price.
If that set of parts is within your budget, that's about the best you can get. To get something better than a 4060, or a 5600X, you need to pay more.
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You don't need 5600X, get 5600 instead. It's cheaper and has the same performance. Also get 32Gb of RAM. DDR4 3600 but not nessesarily CL16. CL18 is significantly cheaper and the difference in performance is minimal.
And if we are talking about buying new mid-end GPU, there is not much sense in older GPUs especially with less than 8Gb of memory,
If you want Ray Tracing pick 4060 or 4060Ti for FHD or 2K. Although I agree that 4070 will be much better. RTX3xxx were great GPUs, but now they have enough disadvantages comapred to 4xxx. You may also pick an AMD GPU, they are cheaper and have more memory.
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buraz bolje kupi iz delova
for does who dont know on my native lng : Bro better buy parts
xD
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Depends on your budget, but i recommend checking something like this out:
https://www.tehnomedia.rs/it-uredjaji/desktop-racunar/tmc-pc-phoenix-ecliose-ryzen-5-5600-32gb-m-2-1tb-rtx3060-600w.html#data
Alternatively, you can just buy parts and make a decent rig on your own...
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Hey guys,
I'm thinking of getting a better PC soon and what do you think about this config?
https://www.mediamarket.rs.ba/index.php/racunari/gaming-racunari/fantech-pc-case-cg77-2-detail
Just keep in mind that I'll be changing that SSD with the one of 1 TB SSD and everything else stays the same.
Is this good as it is, would you change something or not?
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