sucks big time! Won't be getting it. End of story.
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Sony 1 - Microsoft 0
If you didn't see the XBOX reveal here's a summary:
kinect, tv, cod, sports and DOGS.
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But still, forced Kinect and Pre-Owned fees? Shame on you, Micro$oft.
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Geez, it's not like they're making you play Kinect games or something; they're just including a Kinect with every system, a pretty logical move given that they're making Kinect more central to the Xbone's interface. You can just hook it up and forget about it if you really hate it. I don't see how giving you an extra piece of hardware with your console is a move that warrants calling them "Micro$oft"; if anything, it will cost them money as console makers tend to lose money on the systems themselves.
As for pre-owned fees... yes those would be awful, but it sounds like it was a miscommunication and there definitely aren't gonna be fees like the ones people thought would exist. They haven't confirmed what fees may/may not exist, so I don't think it's fair to bash them just yet.
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It was their announcement. I think it is fair to bash them on what we assume to be a well thought out presentation. Even with the updates, they are saying things like "no fee if played on your account". I am hoping the fee is some sort of one disc two installs kind of thing.
As for the kinect. I don't care for it and I find it slow a lot of the times, the bullshit is that it has to be connected.
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The miscommunication came from a Microsoft rep talking with a guy from Wired, not from the presentation itself if I'm not mistaken, so I think it was more about a rep misspeaking in a talk with a journalist than their big presentation being goofed. But idk the details. And even if they did mess up explaining a bit of their presentation, I still don't think that's much reason to bash them. If I'm considering buying an Xbone, I don't care about a mistake they might have made back when they announced it; what I care about is whether or not there truly is a pre-owned fee.
And if you don't like it, just don't use it. It has to be connected but I'm pretty sure you don't have to actually use it. They just want it always connected so that developers can assume that everyone has a microphone, a motion sensor, etc. That doesn't mean you'll have to use it, just that there will be more reason for developers to add support for it. It's a good addition for people who like it, and an irrelevant addition for people who don't.
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sony doesnt have backwords comp either .. so they dont win .. But MS does loes me as a customer as this is a deal breaker
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Eh? The PS3 didn't have full backwards compatibility either. Only limited on select consoles which they quickly changed after they decided to remove support and make 'HD Remakes' to sell to users again.
Sony 0 - Microsoft 0
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For the record, they decided to remove the support because that support was what made the original PS3s so freaking expensive. They were including PS2 hardware side-by-side by the PS3 hardware; it was a good idea but it was too expensive to pull off in a home gaming system.
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the excuse about cost? bring down cost by getting rid of pointless extras instead of valued function for its primary purpose. I'd rather have a game player that plays games than dvds.
at the time new blueray was more expensive than an old ps2 iirc?
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Oh I see what you're saying. The Blu-ray player didn't add that much to the cost, certainly not the hundreds of dollars that the PS2 hardware cost. And if Sony didn't use Blu-ray, they would have had to have used something like the dual-layer DVD drive like the 360 uses, which would have also been a pricey option. They needed their disc drive to support discs with enough capacity for the big file size of modern games, so they were gonna have to use something better than a standard DVD drive no matter what. Given that the Blu-ray drive also gives support for HD movies, I think they made the right choice.
Also, they couldn't get rid of Blu-ray support in the 2nd generation of PS3s very easily, since all PS3 games were already printed on Blu-ray discs; it would have been a disaster.
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Oh and btw, the new xbox looks like the Monolith from 2001 merged with a VCR.
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So them giving you a free product that you can use to get free stuff and discounts on games is greedy? Nobody slapped you and said you had to buy the damn cards. You can ignore them, buy them, or trade cards around. CSGO for portal 2 for example.
Not to say Valve isnt greedy in its own right, but your example is crap.
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I have to agree. I got 10+ euros in store credit just by letting games run and selling the products of such (non-)activity on the market. Valve may be playing on people's vanity, but it would be hard to call it greed.
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They didn't give you free product. They gave you car without wheels. You can either sell it, buy wheels on market or trade using your other car without wheels.
But as long as you don't invest something (money, energy to find people wanting to trade, etc.) it's not usable.
If that would happen in CoD or BF internet would explode in amount of hate...
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Backwards compatibility is why I'm gravitating more to PC versions of games, when available.
I've been through two Gamecubes. My Dreamcast died a few years after Sega abandoned the system. My PS2 slim had issues reading discs from the start, and eventually the controller port IC died. A lot of people have issues with their 360s. And all of those are systems that are losing methods of official physical disc backwards compatibility, if they ever had it in the first place. Nintendo phased out Gamecube hardware at the end of the Wii, Sony pulled PS2 support from the PS3 before the PS3 ever reached a reasonable price, the Dreamcast never had a successor, and the 360 won't be supported in the next system? (The PS4 isn't doing physical disc compatibility, either, is it? Isn't it doing streaming video through Gaikai or whatever?)
On the off chance that I actually want to play a game five or six years after release, it is looking like PC is the best chance. At least until Valve splits off Steam and Steam falls apart (which if ever did happen might be crippling to PC gaming.)
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The reason the PS3 never reached a reasonable price before dropping backwards compatibility is because the backwards compatibility was so expensive. They were having to include PS2 hardware in addition to the PS3 hardware and it was costing a lot of money.
Now, the reason new consoles have to give up backwards compatibility is because they choose to utilize new CPU architectures that eliminate many of the problems of old systems (as anyone working on the PCSX2 emulation project can tell you, for example, the PS2 had a very odd and uncommon CPU setup that is largely to blame for PCSX2's slow progression).
However, I think you can start to feel a little safer now. Both the Xbox One and the PlayStation 4 are moving to x86 architecture, which is the same architecture that your computer uses. I think it is highly likely that Microsoft and Sony will stick with these architectures in the long run, given how universal they are. In addition, in the unlikely event that either company does change architectures, it will be much easier and more painless for the Xbox 1 and PS4 to be emulated on your home computer, so you will probably have a backup plan for continuing to play your games (it won't be anything like the often-glitchy PCSX2 or other modern emulators; it will be more like running an alternate OS in a virtual machine).
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Look, if you thought it was going to be backwards compatible then you don't understand processor architecture and that's ok. For it to be backwards compatible, they'd literally have to pull a sony and put a 360 into a One. They are moving from powerpc to x86. They need to emulate or include old hardware. Both of which is expensive and not worth it. It is cheaper to let studios re-release games if and when they feel like it needs more milking. At least for microsoft.
But hey, is anyone here dumb enough to buy this?
And is GameStop dumb enough to sell the console? All the profit comes from used games and magazines. They make next to nothing on consoles and the games.
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And is GameStop dumb enough to sell the console?
We all know the answer to that question my dear friend.
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Truthfully after being a console gamer since the wee age of like 4 I could care less about consoles anymore. Sure they have some good exclusives but I'll stick with my pc and handhelds.
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I'm sad. After ps4 said no backwards compatibility, i was hoping MS would. Honstley, if eacher company changes their mind, it would probably justify the puchase just because that company would be showing that they care about gamers. As is, I'll probably sit on my current gen and spec'd out gaming pc for a couple of years.
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They aren't gonna change their minds. They aren't dropping compatibility because it'd be too much work; they're dropping it because it'd be impossible. The new systems use a different CPU architecture than the old systems did, so it is impossible for them to run binaries written for the old architectures; they would have to include old hardware in addition to the new hardware (Sony did this in the first-gen PS3s, but it was making the systems really expensive so they had to drop it). But this move to new architectures is a good one IMO; both Sony and Microsoft are switching to the x86 architecture, the same architecture that your computer probably uses. The widespread implementation of x86 make it highly likely, in my non-expert opinion, that both companies will stick with it in future consoles.
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Just because the CPU is different and command set is changed doesnt mean they have to include a complete set of original hardware. They could create an emulator that would run the discs since the ps3's games ran from bluray which the ps4 uses. I mean hell, they could sell the damn thing in the ps store if they demanded to recoup their losses coding it.
Any bets on if loads of ps3 titles make it into the ps4's market and are playable?
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I didn't mention emulation because it's even less feasible than including separate hardware. To emulate a different CPU architecture than the one your system has, your system needs to have roughly 100 times the processing power of the system you want to emulate. Even today, the best emulator for the PS2 (which had a pathetic 299 MHz processor) is still incompatible with nearly a quarter of all games, and requires a high-end 3.5+ GHz processor for many of the games that do work. Emulating the PS3 or the Xbox 360 is not going to be possible for at least another decade.
But yeah I bet Sony will have the same thing they had with PSclassics on the PS3, and a lot of popular titles will be ported.
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Looks like Microsoft's gaming future is slimming down thanks to this information on the new console. Sony's PS4 might not be good, but Microsoft's Xbox one just takes the "Worst Current Console" award.
PC has been my best friend for my current gaming time (PS3 and Wii for old time classics I enjoyed as a kid, 3DS is still hanging around for awhile) and might upgrade it in the future for my gaming future. But gaming will still continue for many generations.
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the one I read said they hadn't announced, so no idea what range its in.
(just that apparently the game installs to harddrive and you no longer need the disk, the disk can be sold 2nd hand and installed on other xboxen but it involves a fee to microsoft to unlock it...so big enough it doesn't end with one copy being passed around and small enough people don't get out the pitchforks)
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Nope, it actually turns out this was the result of a miscommunication between Microsoft and Wired. It has been confirmed that you can play your games on any Xbone so long as you sign in with your gamertag, and it's still not clear how the Xbone will work in other scenarios.
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"With the Xbox One, you can surf the web, play music, play videos, watch TV, and Skype seamlessly."
Woah, that sounds familiar. I've heard about these gadgets called PCs that have done the same thing for years.
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Yeah but all that stuff is still gonna be limited to two groups: computer enthusiasts who know enough to figure everything out with setting up an HTPC, and rich people who can hire someone else to set it up for them. The Xbone is bringing this capability to the general public.
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More Big Picture support I say, who needs a console?
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Steam > Xbox One based on the compatibility issue.
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PC gaming is good, but .. lacks all that was listed, in addition, I much prefer to play games, especially campaign modes on the lounge with a big TV, opposed to in a lonesome room staring at a smallish screen, but that's just personal preference, I will most likely be purchasing PS4, always preferred PlayStation, and never truly cared for the xbox, I get why it's called "One" but I do admit, It can be confusing, as people with the original xbox call that "xbox one", everyone probably does it, its logic, given it was the first in a chronological order.
At first I was a little disappointed regarding the no backwards compatibility, just means all the titles I own a gonna be quite a waste upon release, as I don't see myself loading a game on the PS4 then ever feeling the need to play a game on the PS3, but.. since GTA 5 won't be PS4, probably only exception there.
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Fully agree, I bought a gaming laptop(mind you it was a bit pricey) and just leave it hooked up to the tv. Just plug in steam and have tonnes of games to choose from. I wish they had full controller support for those games that are just half supported.
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Kinda sucks, the new Xbox won't allow any backwards compatibility with the 360. Just means it causes clutter with needing to keep old systems around to keep playing all of your games.
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