So my friend has asked me for advice on a 600-700 euro Pc (without monitor) and since i got a lot of feedback here for my own pc i decided to ask a little help again :D This is the build i got so far, what do you guys think? He is aiming for low-medium settings and around 60 fps on AAA games. Also needed for school.

Question 2: Gigabyte GA-B250M-D2V Is this a good mobo? If it is i can get an i5 7400 in and some ddr4 and stay below 700 euro.

1st Build
CPU: AMD FX-8350 Black Edition 156.95
Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer A32 33.95
Mobo: ASUS M5A97 R2.0 81.00
GPU: MSI GeForce GTX1050TI 4G OC 159,00
RAM: Corsair DDR3 Vengeance 8GB 62,95
CASE :Sharkoon VG4-W Rood 35 (He wants this case)
PSU :Seasonic M12II Evo 520W 70,95
HDD: Western Digital Blue WD10EZEX 1TB 50,95

2nd Build
CPU: i5 7400
Cooler: Artic i32
Mobo: Gigavyte B250 M D2V
GPU: MSI 1050TI
RAM: 8GB DDR4
Case: Sharkoon VG5 W
PSU: Seasonic M12II
HDD: WD Blue 1 TB

Total for the 2nd is 696 Euro

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AMD? JA!

Case: Thermaltake Versa H21
GPU: MSI GeForce GTX1050TI 4G OC (I prefer ASUS always but It is more expensive)
Mobo: Asus B150M-A
RAM: Kingston HyperX Savage DDR4 2133 PC4-17000 16GB 2x8GB CL13 (Bought at ~80 € on the last year)

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DDR4 is not supported :D

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Mobo: Asus B150M-A
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7 years ago
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The Ram is 120 here.. Thats another 60 euros on the budget xD im really aiming to stay below 700

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Would the Gigabyte GA-B250M-D2V do?

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You don't need such a strong processor.
8 cores on 4.0GHz? Why - is he gonna do some serious rendering?

Here's my recommendation, less money on the CPU, more money on the GPU.
Don't forget the OS

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+1

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Sorry forgot to put it in, but he does need a good CPU for Autocad and some other CPU intensive programs for school. The OS is free through school here :)

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I have the 8320 and I can't say I am having the greatest of times while using Autocad.

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K thanks. Might go with an i5 then.

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I have the 8320 as well - and a EVGA GTX 1050Ti - I can play most anything maxed out - even DOOM!

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And that's thanks to your GPU. However, we are not talking only about gaming here, the CPU just struggles in CPU intensive workloads.

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The AMD FX line is incredibly outdated, but their new Zen chips seem to never actually hit the market. If you can wait 2-3 months, they may see the light of day, so it would be much better to get one of those.
Otherwise, an Intel Pentium is a decent option, or a Core i3 for more money.

The cooler is nice, but the Cryorig H7 is a bit nicer. Not enough difference to warrant a switch, so it is more like an observation.

An RX 470/480 is a much better choice than a GTX 1050. You can get 8 GB of VRAM and an architecture made for Vulkan/DirectX12 calculations for much longer expected life span. (The current NVidia cards are still essentially the same old DirectX11-suited chips on a crack. They are better for current games though, meaning a better option if you don't expect to use it for more than 2 years tops.)

8 GB RAM is getting a bare minimum, so make sure that it will be among the first to be expanded.

Case is a tad expensive for a budget build.

PSU ditto. You could try to get a cheap Corsair modular one; that rig wouldn't require more than a Tier 2 450 Watt PSU at best.

Try to squeeze in an SSD. If nothing more, than a cheap 120 GB AData one. Even the shittiest SSD can make the operating system run five times as fast as the best HDD.

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Keep in mind though, that you need an additional HDD in that case, because otherwise you'll be at maximum capacity instantly.
For example, I have a 128GB SSD with my Windows 10 on it and there's only about 20GB free, even though I have everything installed on a HDD that allows me to.

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Naturally. I didn't say to swap but to squeeze one in to that build. =)

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Whoopdidoo. I am getting a little sleepy...

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Yeah the FX is indeed pretty old. I've tried to squeeze in an i5 but that got too expensive, from what ive read i might look into some different CPU's. Thanks! The H7 is not available here :(
The 1050TI is a lot cheaper here then the 470(50 euros) so im not sure if he wants to spend more on that, and for the RAM it is indeed not a lot. But then again, if he wants to upgrade he can put in another 8 in case he needs it.
What case would you recommend? I dont like saving on cases since you can use them in the future for other builds. I have this case myself and it is pretty good and easy to build.
PSU is the same story. Saving can be risky (from what ive heard). So not sure which one to choose then. Ill take a look at that too :)
For the SSD ill try to see what i can find for a low price :)
Thanks for the help!

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Well, I personally prefer Phanteks cases, but those aren't cheap either. :/

I also wanted to say to get a Corsair CX450 power supply, but then I looked at its current price and hoooo boy…

So, yeah, I guess you are good. ^_^

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Ooh those look nice though but he wants the sharkoon vg4 because it looks cool.. so im not sure i can convince him hahah. Ill try. And for the corsairs, they are really expensive indeed. Seasonic seems to be the best budget. Ill take a look at the build though and try to change some things from what you and the others said. Thanks!

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So after taking a look im trying to convince him to get the i5 7400 which is only 8 euros more then the 6400. It does come a little above the budget but lets see what he says. For the MOBO im going for the Gigabyte GA-B250M-D2V, is this good enough?? What do you think

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The b250 chipset is a decent one. That or a mobo with H270 should be okay.
Hell, you don't even have to get the latest chipsets, since they only add a memory module option that one may not even use for the upcoming years, so if you can find something with a B150 or H170 in it, go for that as well.

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Yeah i had a b150, but since there is no price difference between the i5 6400 and 7400 ill go for the newer one, which does need the 250(at least that is what is on the intel site xd) then again the b250 is somehow cheaper so it seems like a better choice :D so ill guess the 2nd build is a lot better then the first :)

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It doesn't need 200-series. The 100-series is compatible with Kaby Lake processors. All the 200-line chipseets add are support for Intel Optane memory modules and native support for very high-grade (8000 MB/s+) M.2 NVMe SSDs—both are practically non-existent. SO only get a H270/B250 board if it costs the same as a H150/B150 one.

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Ah thanks didnt know :) but yea the price is the same :D

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Dump that CPU, wayyyy overkill and get a much better GPU with the money.

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Yeah forgot to put it in, but he does need a fast CPU for school :)

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There is no such thing as an overkill CPU. I have a 6700K and Watch_Dogs 2 eats it for breakfast, it's at 100% load 99% of the time.

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Intel Pentium G4560 (<- dat price dat power )
or
Intel Core i5-7500 nothing else... otherwise wait for zen

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Hahaha dat i5 is 100 euro extra. Not an option.

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? what, are you on drugs or your market is just fucked up ? they are practically indentical so price difference is about 10% (200€ vs 225€ for me)

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Both xD no just kidding, the FX was 139 and the I5 230. But i convinced him to go with a i5 7400

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Way to go :D

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dream on with 159 euro for RX...cut the case, cooler and get box i5-7500

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The 15 is 230 Euro here.. Another big price increase.

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I wouldn't recommend a cooler by Arctic.
I've had two and was unsatisfied with the cooling capabilities.
I don't want my CPU temp to be levelled at anything above 40°C.
I like my (kinda) new Scythe.

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I dont really get your point with the temps? What do you mean?

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Arctic fans are not very good at cooling - in my experience.
When I had an Arctic Freezer i11, my CPU temp was constantly levelled at 40°C (104°F) when there was no CPU load, growing to 50°C (122°F) or more when playing games, with 60°C (140°F) at max.
I didn't appreciate that - so I purchased a Scythe after having a talk with a customer service guy and I am pretty happy with a range of 29°C (84°F) to ~41°C on full load.
I hope you now understand what I'm saying...

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Oh ah well, 60C is for me cool enough. And he doesnt really care xD i have an tx3evo which is crappy and cheap but also keeps my i7 at an ok Temp. My brother has an i32 which does run a lot cooler (40-50 under load)

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Actually, the GPU will render a lot while running autocad, solidworks, or other 3d modeling software. They don't just work for games.

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Ah i didnt know that. I used to have a FirePro W7000 and it sucked at rendering. Gaming was ok but now i have a 6700K its all a lot better. So i guess i should find a balance between the CPU and GPU then?

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Yeah. It does depend on the software used though. There are some heavily skewed towards one or the other. Not knowing which, a more balanced system is potentially better than one which falls flat in the area needed. Also be aware that there are cards made specifically for rendering, such as the Nvidia quadro cards, so any GTX is going to perform relatively worse than one made specifically for that purpose.

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You can do better with 700€ much better.

Remember SSD is a luxury. And if it's for school and not gaming, an skylake i3 should do the job. Those AMDs CPUs are really old, past gen. AMD needs to drop his zen or whatever they are named (I always forget the new name). Their old CPUs are no longer in the fight.

Cases are very personal and I won't try to convince your friend. Sharkoon has made some good ones but also some shitty ones. Their plastic cases look like mid tier and you pay mid tier but they are low tier. Be careful with sharkoon cases, he needs to look more than one review about it.

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Could go for a Hyper 212 to trim down a bit but it won't really be by much. Ten bucks tops.

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by no means even consider the AMD FX line up, not only they are old they were extremely inefficient and noncompetitive at launch and things haven't got any better since then.

get an i3 with HT, it might not beat the i5s but it will beat those FX easily, or a 4000 series i5 they might be chaper and the perfomance difference is not as big as with the FXs.

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I3
Better than the 8350

Amuse me, which one, and how much will it go for?

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the i3 6100 or the Pentium G4560. all chaper, peformance is better in most games than the FX, power efficient, over all better deals.

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Fair enough. Performance wise I wouldn't call the I3 better per-se, since you can rev the 8350 up a lot more, besides maybe single core performance, but I will agree it is cheaper and more power efficient.

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Hmm. I dont know a lot of AMD but i do see a lot of people that have or had this. The problem is the price. AMD is fairly cheap and seems to run most games quite well, and for rendering you have an 8 core. Im a big fan of intel but an i3 is 200+ euro for a dual core. An i5 is also too expensive.

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what about the Pentium G4560?

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Would that work for Rendering + Gaming?

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will do as good as the i3 6100 for gamming, rendering might be slower than the FX tough.

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All I'll say is try to squeeze in an SSD. It really makes a difference.

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Did you check the Best Buy Guide January on Tweakers?
I always use that site when I do an upgrade

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at this point unless it's mission critical I'd say wait a month or two for new products to drop, even if you don't like new products it'll force down prices on previous hardware. I see your friend is doing AutoCAD and in that case two things to note are that the 8350 doesn't have 8 floating point processing cores it has 6 even though there are 8 threads, this will impact your times, the other is that while APU's (A10's specifically) are technically 4 processing cores/threads they have an additional 12 "graphics" cores that could aid in this exact scenario.

on price to performance I generally recommend AMD for GPU's unless your friend knows he'll be using CUDA optimized programs and in the case of autodesk software it should be optimized for both though you might be better off with a slightly older "workstation" GPU like FirePro line or Quadro's. The additional certifications on workstation cards benefits their use in professional programs, and they can game on par with their counterparts in the non workstation category. Though obviously from your w7000 post that might not interest you especially considering relative cost but had to put it out there.

Unless your friend needs 1tb for sure I'd say get an SSD of some kind, noting that AMD doesn't support NVME booting as of yet till the next line comes out. You can always add a large capacity drive down the road but in my experience 250 to 500 for OS and basic programs is enough, for gaming you can anticipate 1tb per 175 to 200 games on average so unless he's got a substantial library he'll have time to save up for an extra drive and in the mean time the SSD will be a life changer.

On a personal note I might try to recommend a barebones kit like ASRock M8, should fit close enough to budget to work with and has the aesthetic appeal your friend wants ( I think) either way many kits have great deals for price combinations. You might also try pcpartpicker for future list building to make things easier on people's opinions.

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We already decided to skip the fx 8350 since its so old. The AMD rx gpus are somehow a lot more expensive here :( it was my first choice. The firepro was an okay card(since i had it for free) but i would never buy one since the price and drivers xD. We might squeeze i a 120gb ssd though :)and ill try pcpartpicker although it doesnt really work here (Netherlands) since some things arent available and sometimes more expensive.

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go with an intel cpu and nvidia graphic card

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2nd for sure, AM3 is incredibly outdated, has no upgrade path and has really low IPC. (read as is trash)

As for the cooler, get Cryorig H7 or 212 Evo.

1050Ti is not a powerful card at all, even G4560 will feed it, an i5 is a waste of money for the 1050Ti.

I'm running an i3-6100 paired with a GTX 970, which is 70% more powerful and it runs pretty balanced.

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The H7 isnt available, and not sure if the 212 will fit the case. The CPU is not only for gaming but also for School stuff/ rendering.

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Ah, I see. Since it's a middletower, it will fit just fine.

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Hmm ill take a look.

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It is not a good time to buy a new PC, me and my friends , we all want to buy a new PC, but we are waiting for the new AMD CPUs, and the AM4 platform which is going to stay for at least 3 years so upgrade would be possible. The AMD choice should be cheaper, both the CPU and motherboard, the extra money I can put it in the video card or other components. But if you have to buy it now then you have to buy it now...

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The new AMD's will be pricy from what ive heard

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I don't care about the 8 core 16 threads, 500-700$, with the fee of the store plus the VAT for Europe is too much for me. If I would pay 900-1000$ for a CPU that means I have enough money anyway to buy anything I want so I don't care much about price, just performance, but that is not the case. I want decent performance and a very cheap price, not just cheap, very cheap. I want an 4C/8T under 200$ with all the taxes, because we will pay more in EU. Just like the 200$ RX 480 that is not cheaper that 300$ in my country, any model.

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