As to the making new games and new Steam client, it might just be because they aren't ready yet. I'd rather have them be quality instead of being rushed out, like EA does. It is kinda annoying that they haven't put anything out for years now, though. And you're totally right about the rest of the things they aren't doing. The quality control is completely terrible. I used to look at the new games every day to see if there was anything interesting, now there's just so much shit it isn't worth trying to find the rare gems.
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You guys forgot to tell the questionable practices that made Valve been sued in some countries, beside all the stuff they pretend to not see (like gambling sites).
Valve sucks, but fans love them. It would change only if a better service came to bring a better experience than Steam or if users demand changes, transparency and vote for it with their money (not buying stuff from Valve).
I don't think any of those situations will happen.
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I consider https://www.gog.com/ to be a better service.
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That's not a high bar to beat. Even Origin is a better service than Steam, despite being a part of god damn EA.
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It took them something like 10 years to introduce basic client updates, and they didn't introduce a functional store layout until a few years after that. Sorry, but Valve isn't taking their time out of quality considerations- they're taking their time because they simply don't care. Regardless of how much one appreciates their games, they have never given indication of caring about their customers outside of a handful of deliberate publicity stunts, and their handling of Steam-related services has reliably emphasized that for a decade and a half now. As long as you ascribe things to the company that they've never expressed themselves, you're opening yourself up to further disappointments.
EA's faults- and they do have many- aside, they are invested in presenting a professional company, which means you can at least usually rely on them for a decent support response. Steam's support, on the other hand, appears to consist of three bonobos and a random outsourced Indian tech support member, all tripping out on PCP.
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They denied the Linux user bans. https://np.reddit.com/r/linux_gaming/comments/7ndjdt/valve_will_vac_ban_you_automatically_for_having/ds2dulw/
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Yep. Cheaters got salty when they got caught cheating.
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People are always following the hype train without knowing where it leads. More followers the better though -- especially if they suffer for being an idiot.
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Wasn't the first one the thing that triggered the whole talk about people getting VAC-banned for this? It seems like the thing that really set it off was the phrasing of the Valve employee there, which is really unfortunate.
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Inspiring picture... Our society needs more people like that.
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Way ahead of you. I essentially view Valve as the devil now. Far too many times they have locked down, restricted, bled customers for money, and made it painfully clear that money is their number one motivation for anything.
Not unusual for a business, but Valve weren't always like that. The difference here is that they used to appear like a warm hearted company that had a passion for the industry, but now they seem cold, silent, and heartless. No different from any other company.
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Yeah, thats the saddest part.. the main reason Steam got accepted was because they almost always chose customers first. If there was an decision to be made to benefit either the customer or the publishers, Valve chose customers.. and happy customers meant that the companies had no choice but to go along with it.. the companies mentality seemed to be "As long as people are happy, they will spend their money here - so lets make them happy!"
Originally I didn´t want to like steam, because I hate DRM. They made me absolutely LOVE steam... now I want to love steam, but they are doing their best to make me dislike it more and more as time goes on. I hope it survives solely because I fear for my game collection and because I love the community-market and stuff like Steamgifts, even though valve did so much damage to them over the last few years.
Strangely enough the storefront was always kind of dated and buggy and support always sucked, but with most other features Steam was often far ahead of its time. Nowadays it seems to be stumbling and caughing, trying to catch up with the times without getting a heart attack.
Not to mention the sales..
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Didn't they announce to bring out 3 VR games in 2017? (not that I could play them anyway)
You also fortgot to mention two things:
No more Steam gifts (unable to cross-country gift for many)
The review system was completely screwed over:
Review A: 10 upvotes, 57 downvotes
Review B: 10 upvotes, 0 downvotes
And now they are equal.
The worst part is their BS coorporate reasoning behind it:
"However, we found a small set of users on the far extreme that are clearly trying to accomplish something quite different from normal players, and are rating more than 10,000 reviews as helpful or unhelpful on a single game. This behavior is not only humanly impossible, but definitely not a thoughtful indication of how 'helpful' each of those reviews were."
So why not ban the small set of bots then?
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No more Steam gifts (unable to cross-country gift for many)
Because they saw their internal data and knew people abusing it. The cons outweigh the pros so they axed it naturally.
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People are always abusing the system as much as possible. So in a way we all turned Steam into what they are becoming now. Can I blame them for it? I don't know... Can they turn the tide? I don't know...
It's interesting, that's for sure :D
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Sad part is there is no review system that can't be abused. At least now we see a recent and overall. But really I just check the comments to see what people are actually saying.
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It seems almost every big company goes down this path eventually when they are big enough to not have to worry about competition. Microsoft, Intel, US internet providers that somehow became legal monopolies. When there is no competition, motivation to innovate is lost, customer service gets worse, and the companies start doing the minimum work possible while trying to screw over their customers to make as much money as they can. Capitalism is meant to prevent this, but big corporations have corrupted the system by buying up all the competition and bribing their way around the laws. Politicians are the problem, they are lining their pockets instead of protecting the people.
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Capitalism is supposed to provide a way for competition, but greedy corporations and politicians have screwed things up. The US is becoming a corporatocracy.
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which is capitalism.
edit: you may want to note thats been the way of things all through the 20th c. therefore capitalism is not what is promised upon the tin.
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Not really. Capitalism is supposed to breed competition. It's not doing this for the reasons mentioned.
If you mean it's capitalism from a "yeah, you should've seen this coming" point of view, then sure.
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this is closer to oligarchy.
For capitalism to work properly, it needs a strong regulatory environment. That is the case in many countries where capitalism works rather successfully, but the U.S. has a strong disdain for authority, and by extension regulations, resulting in an environment where the checks and balances required for capitalism to function smoothly are not there.
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We had a ton of regulations under Obama and growth was dismal and the number of jobs were dying off in the millions. The government was making or breaking thousands of companies by siding with a few of them, becoming like oligarchs. Capitalism worked where there are few hurdles, which leads to more competition and better wages.
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it's a balancing act - too much regulation is stifling, not enough regulation and there will be too much abuse. I agree that capitalism works where there are few hurdles, but there needs to be strong enforcement of the rules that are necessary for capitalism to function properly.
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It also tried to kill entire industries with regulations and throwing tons of pork at businesses too big to fail. Of course you can get more hires with billions of corporate welfare to each company it shakes hands with.
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which regulations, specifically, do you have an issue with?
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Many of them are gone since President Trump got rid of them, but the whole corporate welfare for Big Green energy can go. Half of its money comes from the taxpayer and if most of the companies end up closing down for being inefficient, then so be it.
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Yep - he got rid of rules requiring:
- companies to report payments to foreign governments
- prohibiting employers from taking some or all of their employees' tips
- requiring financial advisers to act in the best interest of their clients
- allowing consumers to file class-action suits against financial companies
- mandating employers to maintain records of workplace injuries
- mandating disclosures of past violations of labor laws for government contractors
- bans on civil forfeiture
- requiring airlines to disclose baggage fees
- ended a study on the health effects of mountaintop-removal mining
Care to explain how ANY of theses are beneficial?
I agree with getting rid of some ineffective regulation, but a lot of regulations are there for a reason, and that reason is more often benign than nefarious.
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Like the Clean Air Act, they didn't do as they intended, but it sounded so feels good legislation.
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Please explain how, with concrete examples.
Which part of the Clean Air Act doesn't work?
Please note that the Clean Air Act was amended several times over the years - the reason for its existence is legitimate, and as time goes on, congress has tinkered with the details
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All you keep asking is more questions. I am not doing your homework. Play 20 questions elsewhere.
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It being amended so many times only proved how the legislation was.
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True. Any regulation that needs to be rewritten, changed or amended, for example, ten times within a year of its ratification, just shows how bad it is, does it not? Any sane person would just want to throw it out as it is clearly not working.
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which regulation has been rewritten, changed, or amended, even twice in a year?
In the U.S., it's legally impermissible to change a rule anywhere near that often - every proposed regulation needs to first be drafted and evaluated by the department, and for significant rule changes evaluate the cost and benefits, including alternatives. at this point the president may choose to review the proposed rule, adding further delay
Then the proposed rule needs to be published in the federal register and then remain open for comments for not less than 30 days - and in some cases 180 days. Thereafter, the agency must evaluate those comments prior to enacting the rule.
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As an American, I think you should know that. Last I heard, it is taught in school everywhere. Some famous law that had to be tinkered with dozens of times, especially right after they tried to put it in effect, and some parts took ages to finally implement.
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If it's the one I think it is, it's with good reason. It's a very complex law with a lot of issues, gaps, and ambiguities. The various tinkering were with different aspects of the law.
Now, if we could get congress to write better laws, that would be great, but just about all laws leave gaps to be filled by regulations and ambiguities to be settled by courts. sometimes, because congress is sloppy, sometimes they're rushed, sometimes they don't think it through, and sometimes it's intentional
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It is. I am just pointing out it is funny calling a regulation bad for being modified, when the entire country is formed around one that has been constantly tinkered with.
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it shows a limited scope of the person making the statement
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!970, 1977, 1990. That's not very often, and it's in reaction to changing circumstances.
The reason I'm asking the questions is because you're only speaking in platitudes. You're just saying "bah, regulation bad" without giving examples of bad regulations, or why they're bad.
It's hard to refute, or agree, if you don't know the details
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only in general terms, yet haven't been able to give one concrete example.
Again, I'm not saying all rules are good, but they're not all bad either. All regulations are there for a reason, and usually a good reason. Bad regulations should be removed, but not willy-nilly - they should be evaluated to determine why they're bad and whether an alternative could fix the problem. Without understanding the problem, you can't understand whether it makes sense to get rid of the rule.
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Regulations that exist to "protect the public" are worthless and that is why thousands of them have been sweeped away and replaced by a handful of new ones. The public are not dying in the millions since then, so the removed rules have all been bad if not destructive.
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Care to explain why any of the ones I listed are worthless?
Or any other regulations that exist to protect the public that you think are worthless?
Also, which "thousands of them have been sweeped away"? again, give me actual examples, rather than blanket statements.
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As dingbat has already mentioned, growth and number of jobs during the second Obama's term were quite good. Besides, the government usually has little to do with some companies becoming oligarchs, unless we are talking about formerly state-owned enterprises -- which is common in Europe but not so much in the US. Companies like Microsoft, Amazon, Google or Apple grow big because (among other things) they do things well and satisfy the public, playing along the rules of capitalism. However, when this success leads to them becoming de facto monopolies, small opponents cannot compete and these large corporations are free to do as they please... unless there are proper regulations in place. There is no way classic capitalism's can work as intended in this setting.
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The government should be breaking up those monopolies as its job requires.
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Or rather not allow them to be created in the first place because once a monopoly like that is established no matter how you go about it there are going to be consequences to breaking it so even the people it would benefit the most still aren't going to be happy in the short-term.
Not that is ever going to change off course, the government is backed by the people who got and get these kinds of monopolies. The best you can hope for is that monopolies of different areas have conflicting interests so they can't afford to completely fuck over the population because the other side would milk the opportunity for it's worth.
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sometimes a monopoly is a good thing.
Easy example: sewer pipes. You don't want 10 different companies laying pipe in the same street, it's incredibly inefficient. Instead, you want government to strictly control the monopoly, either by direct ownership, or by strong quality controls and price controls.
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Not really? The government has, or should have, the organ responsible for ensuring such basic infrastructure are up to norms(along with establishing them) and how it is expanded then various companies do the job required or establish a dialogue if there is some disagreement.
Ideally you spread the work across the nations so no company is too busy(or can claim is such) dealing with another part of the network and so that if one fails to meet the requirements you can just have another take over. While I suppose a monopoly in such a case could work unless it was that way from the start it is not worth the effort to establish one.
Though this is a different topic since the ways local monopolies and global monopolies work are different. The former is generally an established position that for whatever reason people are unwilling to challenge, the latter is an established position that for whatever reason people are incapable of challenging.
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it doesn't make sense to have more than one organization managing sewer pipes, or electrical power lines, or highways. Before the cellular revolution phone lines were in the same situation.
If you're old enough to remember, VHS had a virtual monopoly, and more recently the DVD consortium established rules that all market participants had to follow. VHS is a great example - betamax is generally acknowledged to be better, but it was more advantageous for everyone to use the same standard, so VHS won out.
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...What? I think there might be some misunderstanding both ways here.
Basic infrastructure should be overseen by the government but is not feasible for it to do everything needed across the entirety of a nation so it splits the job. Construction, maintenance, upgrades, expansion, alteration and whatever might all need to hold to the agreed upon standards but that is it and doesn't really qualify as monopoly.
If someone intends to fix an issue on how the electrical power lines are connected to their house in Los Angeles they won't be talking to and hiring the same people someone intending to replace outdated electrical power lines of a city block in Boston, much less Paris. Any given government doesn't keep enough construction capability everywhere to cover against potential need so when it needs it just hires companies to do the job and so on forth.
How infrastructure like that is set up and managed is simply not comparable to the position companies such as Microsoft, Google Intel or groups like Hollywood hold.
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a monopoly is not automatically a problem, and in some situations, it's not only natural, but even beneficial. not often, but sometimes
It is the abuse of a monopoly that is problematic, and it is the government's job to prevent and/or punish abuses stemming from a monopoly position
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For capitalism to work properly, it needs a strong regulatory environment.
Which is totally opposite to capitalism's "free market" and "invisible hand will deal with everything".
Which makes it funny paradox I guess :D
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That's actually a misconception. Capitalism is merely "an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state."
This is distinct from, but directly related to, a free market, "an economic system in which prices are determined by unrestricted competition between privately owned businesses."
However, these assume there are no (or low) barriers to entry. Meaning that where there is insufficient supply, new suppliers will enter the market, that supply will simply meet the demand.
The "invisible hand" assumes that there are a large number of small suppliers who are unable to individually unduly influence the price.
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Not really. Government can't simply create a few regulations since the bureaucrats get paid to make things harder for business or face budget cuts when it stops expanding.
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ok, now you're getting into tin-foil hat territory. Bureaucrats do not "get paid to make tings harder for business", they get paid to follow the rules as set out.
It is up to the rule-makers (legislature) to decide what the rules are
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You don't know how governments work. It is typical of governments to grow nonstop. You never hear of them advocating for entire departments to be removed now that they finally fixed problems, that they have enough people working and don't need more money to do things.
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well, I do know how government works. Most problems aren't one-and-done fixes, but require continual work, such as the SEC enforcing securities laws, or the EPA enforcing environmental laws.
Don't like it? Change the laws. Regulations are merely a way for the agency tasked with enforcing laws to provide definition where congress was vague, ambiguous, or there's a gap. The agency's primary job is enforcement of the law.
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And now there are far fewer regulations that stick it to the corporations.
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again, which regulations "stick it to the corporations"? (past or present)
And, those that do, is it solely to "stick it to the corporations" or were they put in place to protect the general public?
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The ones where any kind of equipment has to be placed in certain areas of a room instead of letting the department decide. They do exist to stick it to the corporations. Why else would the government need to continue to stick its nose when it knows that the company passed all the health and safety tests and faces further inspections?
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Valve Time™ : The expanded time Valve uses when talking about anything that will involve them working. The conversion factor is approximately 2-6 times whatever the stated interval is. From "UrbanDictionary".
See this link for more informations: https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Valve_Time
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Dude they are developing games: a freaking card game.
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You're supposed to be hatin' blindly on Valve, not presenting fact(s).
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After Mark Laidlaw released the story for Episode 3 last year, most people probably realized the series is dead.
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just completed the whole hl series for the first time 2 weeks ago... its still fresh in me, so yes.
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Apparently they are doing some sort of cards game and(based on nothing but random leaks) CS:Go will have some sort of battle Royale gamemode soon. So that counts for something, right?... RIGHT?!?...
I kinda understand, it's a company that wants to make money, not an art club trying to create creativity.
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not like they wanted to do that, they doing it only because of pubg.
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"You are nothing but a fat piece of shit enjoying undeserved money."
The consumer decides whether or not a company deserves money. The consumer disagrees with you, overwhelmingly.
That said, you have the right as a consumer to go to another platform that lives up to your wishes and give it your support. You could even go to their equivalent of Steamgifts and show that support. No one is keeping you on Steam against your will, you make the decision freely.
Let us know how the quest for an alternative goes.
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^ What Shadows said. Good to see a splash of reason.
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The consumer decides whether or not a company deserves money.
And the government decides whether or not a CEO deserves money.
..not making a point, just pointing out a rather relevant distinction. :P
But as far as making a point- by the logic stated, a con artist deserves their money. And, functionally, they did put in the effort, so that's even a valid point. But ethically speaking, it becomes rather obvious the money is "undeserved". The OP is thus at full liberty to make a similar association to Gaben, by attributing similar elements of false representation to him.
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Since most customers are kids which do not know anything about how things works, in turn because they're left in front of the computer by bad parents which just gives them their credit card so that they don't bug them, makes this otherwise true consideration wrong, sadly.
Well, the same could be said for adults, too, since, for the most time, they just choose what to purchase or what to believe to by looking at brainwashing commercials, so that also means that there's basically no market which is successful because of the product(s) itself, but rather because of how the product is presented to the mass of (often) ignorant and very impressionable people. Just consider how many of these "consumers" are asking random and unknown people if a game is good or not, either with a direct question in steam forums or by reading the first "review" they can find on the internet, without even understanding what that involves, which is basically asking someone else to think in their behalf.
It is, therefore, an usually wrong belief that the market is always right in their decision because it is a democratic entity. Democracy only works if people will, and are able to, think with their own brain, and owns all the necessary information to make a decision, which is unfortunately not what usually happens.
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Given that nearly every single game released these days is a Steamworks game, it's hard to avoid Steam, even if you can purchase keys elsewhere (boxed copies, GMG, Amazon, Humble, etc)
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I understand your frustrations but just imagine how horrible PC Gaming would be without Steam.
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less drm?
games available in shops?
:O
DISC COPIES?!?!
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games available in shops?
I can now buy games in my underwear. Nuff said. :P
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O_____o
you mean prior to steam your country enforced nudist gaming stores upon you?
o_____O
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O__o
well... i just hope gabens not your local store owner when it all goes down!
;D
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It's hard enough finding a nudist beach in America, finding nudist gaming stores would be a truly exceptional discovery.
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There are other digital distributors as well, like GOG ^^
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Rootkits and other fun DRM. Quality distribution platforms like Direct2Drive...
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Well, I was doing just fine without Steam (using GOG) up till a couple of years ago..
Rather, I feel like you're actually stating "imagine how horrible PC Gaming would be without Steam bundles", as that's the most notable unique element of the platform, as it relates to Steamgifts users.
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In a sense, he is right, because Steam paved the way to GOG too.
Still, ironically, my GOG account of this user name is actually older than my Steam account. :D
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Please refrain from writing something as idiotic and offensive as "kys" in the forums. It's enough seeing every idiot casually throwing that in Rocket League.
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I have to agree. This isn't the kind of thing people should say, ever, even as a joke. And yet I see it more often than I'd like to.
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That and the word Shekels could both go.
Not a big fan of racial stereotyping, either.
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I'm confused, I thought it was just slang for money like "dosh" or "cash"?
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I think you are the one with issues if shekels offend you. Shekels are a good non-currency to talk about.
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Never said it offended me.
Said I'm not a big fan of racial stereotypes.
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It is a real currency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_new_shekel
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Yeah, that made my eyebrows grow up, I'm glad I'm not the only one.
If your invectives would sound at home coming out of Stormfront then maybe its time to reevaluate.
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Please refrain from writing something as idiotic and offensive as "kys" in the forums. It's enough seeing every idiot casually throwing that in Rocket League.
:googles: :whistles:
Damn. Well, that's incredibly.. inappropriate.
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Same here. Just had to google it now since it was remarked upon. I usually ignore acronyms and the abundance of abbreviations. My reasoning is: If someone can't be bothered to spend the effort to type coherent and concise copy, I can't be bothered to care about what they may have meant.
But now that I have googled kys (damn you all for wasting my time) I quite agree. While it goes with the one-sided and over-simplified approach of the post (which I understand if he is annoyed at the time), this is way over the top. At any given time. But then, it is the internet and people wishing cancer upon you if they lose a game seems to be the norm of etiquette these days.
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Now imagine this. In a parallel universe EA/Activision/Ubisoft(choose one) is running Steam and Valve is just a small publisher with few games that sold million copies. Suddenly you don't dislike Valve anymore.
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What Valve are doing:
Money.
Welcome to the world of corporations - Making the greatest amount of money in the shortest time, with the least effort and the least risk involved. In other words; It's just business. Companies are not your friend, and typically don't care if you're pleased or not, as long as the company generally makes lots of money.
Valve started making games to make money, and to build a reputation. Now all they need to do is maintain that money inflow and reputation status. And they don't need to do much, since the vast majority of users won't leave Steam, and won't stop buying from them.
It's easy to get angry, and understandable I suppose - but from a non-consumer perspective, Valve is just being smart business-wise. If you do nothing and still get a shitload of money, why try to do anything? I mean, we've all seen what happens when Valve tries to do anything new. Shit backlashes like crazy, and Valve loses reputation, especially with their money-makers - the consumer isn't as important as shareholders, publishers, etc. which provides Valve with that steady income.
That's just how it is.
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honestly, I love the very concept of steam. I was never a big fan of their games, but steam revolutionized the gaming industry, and I think it's fantastic that I don't need to retain games, activation codes, or any of that stuff. I can install and uninstall games as and when I choose - no need to keep it all on my hard drive, or a stack of discs, or whatever. Same with save files and mods.
And that's not to mention how Steam has resulted in lower prices and larger availability than ever before. Whether or not they're crap, there's tens of thousands of games on steam, from new AAA games, to phenomenal indies, to classics that were unavailable for years, to remasters of those classics. We live in a golden age of gaming where great games are in abundance and quality games can be had for cheap. We have Valve to thank for that.
This is like complaining about Apple inventing the Iphone, or Amazon introducing online shopping
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I wouldn't exactly call this a golden age of gaming. Loot boxes. Free to play. Pay to win. Cheaters galore. AS A games costing the price of.a.small car...
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I agree that steam is a Great product and in 10 years I've had one issue. I won't use Gog, Uplay or any other digital library. I have no interest in having multiple.gaming accounts and will stick with the best, even if it means missing out on certain games.
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To be fair, I'd bet there were a bunch of crappy artists and musicians during the Renaissance that we never just never hear about, haha.
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1) I've played games with loot boxes and never opened a single one. I practically get paid to play by selling all the item drops some games are more profitable than others, but that's not why I play
F2P same story, a fool and his money are easily parted, but most of them can be played without ever paying for them.
2) can't really argue about cheaters as I don't think I've ever come across any
3) The only games that I can think of that are really really expensive are the ones with a ton of optional DLC - emphasis on optional. Most games even with DLC are less than $100 at sticker, and a lot of players, myself included, don't pay sticker. That's pretty cheap after adjusting for inflation.
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I agree with you on most points. The one thing I must contradict, however, is that if you like the concept of something, you can't complain about its execution.
Case in point for me (since you brought it up as a good example in my eyes): Amazon.
I love the concept of shopping via internet as I don't like to mingle with people, especially in malls. The way that amazon is being run (working conditions, tax evasion, ...) still gives me plenty of reasons to complain about the company. I try to avoid it whenever I can, but sometimes I cannot get a specific article I am looking for anywhere else (at least not in or delivered to my country). Usually I try to find an alternative, but on very rare occasions I have used amazon out of necessity and/or comfort.
Yes, it is extremely convenient and their service for customers is great, but that doesn't negate the bad aspects of the company.
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Maybe not golden age for games. But certainly one for availability in very many cases. GoG is doing lot to solve issue, but it also demonstrate how hard is it to get many of the cult classics from the past. And this would be standard without Steam's work.
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Developing new games?
No new games are required.
Please tell anyonye of the Valve community that HL3 isn't necessary and report back once you got to know how they reacted to your input..
Fixing the bugged discovery queue?
Not bugged.
Oh yes it is. Just because you aren't using it doesn't mean you're right.
Finally finishing the promised new Steam client?
What new steam client?
Oh god seriously? Google ffs.
Being more available in support?
Yes.
See above.
See to quality control when it comes to games?
Not needed.
You are obviously trolling.
Actually responding to reports whether it may be about games or players?
Yes.
See above reply.
Banning a lot of Linux users because of false assumptions?
No.
See above again
Releasing new CS:GO skins and stuff so they can make more money?
Not for that reason.
Sureeee..
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I mean, I wouldn't be upset if there never was a hl3 either but ok
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So you disregard the people that care about and want the new VR games Valve are developing, but some people who don't want HL3 should be considerate about others who want it? A bit hypocritical.
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Some of your arguments can easily counter-argued but I will not even bother because you will not listen. But since you hate valve so much why don't you go and use some other platform? There is plenty of choice! You have Origin, Uplay, Good Old Games(but I bet you don't know what those are ;)), humble bundle also sells drm free games...
Just quit steam, isn't it that hard? If you don't like them that much why do you still support them?
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"See to quality control when it comes to games?
Not needed."
The only problem I have with the quality control, they allow these developers to release low quality games for cheap. I craft a badge and get a 90% coupon for one of these games - I use it and then a month later the game is removed from steam and i get -1 library count. Quality Control is definitely needed. I avoid these titles the best I can, but they still happen. One month I used 50 coupons trying to reach a milestone on game total, all to be removed and -1 on each game. Of coarse no refunds on purchases older than 2 weeks! Customer loses.
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I'm wondering if this is your actual opinion or you were just trying to contradict as many points as possible.
Not saying I agree with either side, it's just that a few of these seem forced.
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with out any proof, you don't need any proof to say some thing else :P
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But anyone can research themselves and see that Steam's quality control is absolutely horrible, for instance. It's contradicting points like that with no arguments that I do not understand.
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I want to click off wishlisted games in the store. I can't look at my list without it almost crashing.
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Developing new games?
They are developing 3 full VR games.
Fixing the bugged discovery queue?
This isn't like a widespread issue. I'm sure they're constantly ironing out bugs. A bit of a stretched and dumb complaint.
Finally finishing the promised new Steam client?
You want them to rush out new stuff without making sure it's as functional as possible?
Being more available in support?
Support still isn't the best, but you worded it as if they haven't improved at all, which from my experience, is wrong. Still a lot of room for improvement.
See to quality control when it comes to games?
Agree with you here. Way too many terrible games at the moment.
Actually responding to reports whether it may be about games or players?
They definitely do this.
Banning a lot of Linux users because of false assumptions?
I'm 99% sure this was just a rumor.
Releasing new CS:GO skins and stuff so they can make more money?
What's wrong with this? It's optional, cosmetic, etc.
Selling the data of hardware surveys to appropriate companies for more Shekels?
What's wrong with this?
And damn, your last paragraph really makes you look bad.
If you want to bring up actual points against something, go ahead, but when you type shit like "kys" and blame Gaben for all of your Steam problems, you just seem immature, and frankly... stupid.
Valve definitely has a lot of huge issues. But I don't think the ones you listed here, and the way you listed them can be taken seriously.
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Fixing the bugged discovery queue?
This isn't like a widespread issue.
To be fair, it's an incredibly consistent and well-recognized one that's been around for years, and that seems to be getting more frequent in occurrence as time goes on.
Banning a lot of Linux users because of false assumptions?
I'm 99% sure this was just a rumor.
It's one of those things that's so niche that it's unlikely that enough people tested it to give a fair impression- on the other hand, other commenters were stating from the start that the users in question had actively posted in relevant exploitation threads in the past, so that did make the whole matter rather extremely dubious.
Being more available in support?
Support still is a raging dumpsterfire.
Fixed? Though I haven't used them in about half a year now, so do let me know if it suddenly became safe to contact support without the guaranteed promise of a nonsensical, rude reply- not a single one of my previous score or so support tickets ever got a remotely functional response. The only one that was even on-topic was the one rudely explaining they wouldn't fix their refunding the wrong game from my account, stating that- despite all evidence to the contrary- "Steam Support does not make mistakes". Heh.
but when you type shit like "kys" and blame Gaben for all of your Steam problems, you just seem immature, and frankly... stupid.
That's putting it generously.
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Ah, well I haven't heard of the discovery queue bug before this thread. Regardless, it's still an out of place complaint. I'm not sure it's an important enough bug to hate on Valve for. They're also assuming that Valve is NOT trying to fix it, and on the other side, that enough people are having the issue to warrant Valve prioritizing it. If you say it's been around for years, that sucks, but the reaction it elicited is still out of place in my opinion.
As for the support:
Yep, I still stand by the fact that I have personally seen improvements in support. It is still far from being good. All I was saying was that I have seen it get better. Still shite though. VERY Shite.
Thanks for arguing in a normal and constructive way.
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My interpretation was that the OP was attempting to indicate that Valve has a habit of not even fixing 'the little things', which does seem to be an accurate sentiment. As far as painting a negative picture of something goes, 'even the little things' is a fairly common inclusion, so I can't see it as being out of place.
If it's the bug I'm thinking about- and it is the only one I'm aware of for the queue- then yes, I've personally and consistently encountered it since I started actively using Steam (about a week before I joined SG), and it was especially bad this past sale. Given that last element, I can see why it'd currently be at the forefront of anyone's considerations, when thinking of all the little things Valve hasn't fixed or polished up in the client.
I'm not seeing any out of place reaction, since all the OP did was passingly and straightforwardly mention the subject and, as I noted, that seems to have just been to help establish Valve adhering to a pattern of addressing neither the major nor the minor issues with the client [and, as the point appears to have been based in establishing a lack of effort from Gaben rather than issues specific to Steam, also a mention to a lack of game development- though, as you noted, Valve is indicating they're once again taking steps in that direction].
I'm hardly trying to support the OP's overall presentation- but I do think for that particular sentiment, the OP can likely be excused.
Still shite though. VERY Shite.
Universal constant, and all that.
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Those points are totally fair.
But the way you put it is a lot more elegant, haha. I can't say for sure if that is exactly what OP was trying to say or not.
I also can't completely agree with your point though. There are a lot of minor issues that haven't been fixed, but I think it's unfair to say they don't care or fix any small issues. There are bug patches every day, and improvements to the client constantly. Whether people think they actually are beneficial or not, Valve is TRYING to make things better (E.g: The review system).
They probably just have stuff that is higher up on the list.
Is the discovery queue bug that people are talking about the thing where it just ends the queue randomly at some point. That only happened to me during the sales, and only the first two hours or so because there was such high traffic every time a new sale day was put up. If that is as far as it goes, I think it's hardly a big issue. Definitely something that should be fixed eventually, but there are more important things to maintain. IF the issue goes further than what I described, then I totally see the frustration if it's been going for years like you said.
Still, the way OP presented their arguments really didn't help convey their point, if it indeed was the same as yours.
Regardless, your points totally make sense and I can see why your point of view, even if I might disagree with a few details.
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Nobody asked or wants the VR garbage that isnt even avaivable for everyone.
Yeah, ironing out bugs at a dead snails pace, discovery que is trash and you know it.
Rush out the new stuf? THEY HAVE HAD OVER 10 YEARS TO MAKE A NEW CLIENT. 10 YEARS.
Youre kidding yourself if you think support is decent in any amount.
No, it was not a rumor, stop defending them.
Its NOT JUST COSMETIC! = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce5CDrq4dGg and you actualy prefer them making skins only, leaving players the job of creating new content? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oPRcmcIy4c they dont do anything with CSGO or other games, or new games, THEY MAKE SKINS ONLY, THATS ALL THEY DO.
Nobody gives them permission to spread private information, you have got to be kidding.
His paragraph is irrelevant.
Steam is Gabens toy and he has all the right to blame Gaben for it, nothing immature or stupid about it, quite appropriate.
Everything mentioned here by him is true and thus can be taken seriously, wheares you defending valve so religiously cannot be taken seriously at all.
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Oh, it's you again.
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Why is VR garbage? Developers don't have to only make things that people "want". On top of that, a lot of people do "want" and are very excited to play these games. Just because you aren't interested in something doesn't mean others aren't. Assuming they're good and Valve still has creative talent in their dev team (EDIT: Someone said they wouldn't be disappointed if HL3 wasn't coming out. You replied to them with "So you don't care about the rest of us?". A bit hypocritical. I too want HL3, very badly, but say I don't care about Dota, if they make a Dota 3 and others are happy about it, who am I to say "who cares about that garbage"?
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Discovery queue is trash and I know it? No, I don't, which is why I said I disagreed with the complaint. And even if it's glitchy for some people, I still don't think OPs reaction makes sense. They are assuming that Valve isn't trying to fix it, or that the problem is easy to fix, etc.
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Yes, first of all I don't think we are in dire need of a new client. A client is a client, and this one is absolutely functional and efficient. There are problems I have with it here and there, but we seriously don't need a new one. What warrants "new" anyway? The client has evolved so much over these last 10 years that you could say it already IS a new client. Just because they don't come out and go "HEY! We are labeling this big update Steam 2.0!!"
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Support is not decent, I was saying it's better than it was. It's still one of the worst supports I've ever encountered.
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You don't have more proof than I do about it being or not being a rumor. I personally find it very hard to believe a big company like Valve would issue bans to people with a certain username on a certain OS without real reason. I'm not saying that is 100% what happened, but that is how I have analyzed the info we have on the situation. In the same way that you have deducted your opinion from the same info.
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I didn't say I am happy with them making ONLY skins. First off, even if they did, so what? It's their choice. I will be disappointed, because they used to pump out fantastic games, and now they would only be making skins, but still, they are making the 3 VR games, supposedly. So I'm still hopeful that we're going to get some quality stuff. We'll see how those turn out.
And yes, they are just cosmetic. Although I enjoy Jim's channel, he also says a lot of things I strongly disagree with. If the skins don't add stats and give you an advantage, they are purely cosmetic, and so I have no problems with them. Just because a few Youtubers have now started a trend to hate on all microtransactions and lootboxes, doesn't mean that they are all bad and have no benefits. Yes, they suck in Battlefront 2, no they don't in CSGO or Overwatch. Cosmetic. -
Nobody gives them permission to spread private information? I'm pretty sure you agree to share your hardware stats.
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His paragraph is irrelevant? No, it paints the image of what his personality is like. Gullible, hateful etc. Besides, I read that paragraph AFTER all his points, so it didn't even affect them.
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Do you think Gaben is sitting there making all the decisions on Steam? Also my "immature/stupid" comments were not just for that. But the WAY OP complained about Gaben. I'm not saying you can't ridicule him, but do it in a way that makes sense, not like OP did.
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Defending Valve religiously? I admitted faults multiple times about the company, how is that religious? You just don't want to hear my opinions that counter yours, so you disregard my points as religious defending. I have a lot of problems with Valve, but the points that OP made here didn't make sense to me, so I jumped into the conversation to give my point of view.
Whatever man, your previous comments on the Steam forums have made it very clear what kind of person you are.
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It shivers me how much okay you are with everything that is going on. This guy created this topic not out of the kindness of valve mind you, things are seriously very wrong. And stop pretending you know who i am.
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It shivers you? It's really that bad that I don't think the listed problems aren't that big of a deal?
Let me make it clear where I stand, so you see my point of view.
If it turned out that Valve really was banning Linux users with cat in their username, I would absolutely agree with you that it's messed up. However, in this case, I don't think that is happening. Is that really so crazy?
If Valve's CSGO skins actually gave you advantages, I would agree with you and have a problem with them. However, in this case, they are just for aesthetic, so I don't have a problem with them. I think my points are pretty fair. Not sure what is so weird/scary about my opinions.
And I can make a safe assumption of what kind of person you are, based off multiple things. Just using your initial reply to my post on this thread. You opened by being hypocritical, and calling a certain medium of games "garbage" for no real reason.
You ended your reply by saying I am religiously defending Valve, to disregard my comments even though I have given reasons as to why I believe what I believe, and have multiple times voice my issues with Valve.
Sorry if this seems like an attack and makes you feel bad, as I don't like doing that, but your initial comments in my steam group left a very bitter first impression.
We are obviously not going to convince each other so there's no point in continuing this..
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I agree with you on most things. Sadly this'll give me a lot of hate too, but I hate when people whine for this kind of sh*t.
They are also developing a non-vr game, Artifact.
(dumb) Adam Jensen mode activated "HURR DURR BUT WE NEVER ASKED FOR THIS (ARTIFACT) TRASH WE WANT REAL GAMEZ"
And the CS:GO skins aren't even made by valve on the most part, so they just have to put a bunch of workshop skins together and sell them. It's copy-pasting already existing code, no effort on their part, which is why they do it.
About the data of hardware surveys: Every company does this with your information (even more important info, who cares about hardware information?). Welcome to the internet.
Now, steam support is bad, we all know it.
The discovery queue bug is a slight nuisance.
Its quality control is... ugh. They don't even check for stolen assets, it's sad.
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Yea the quality control on the store is the biggest problem I have with them right now. I used to browse the "coming soon" page to see if there were cool new games I could cover on my YT channel. Now it's such a nuisance because there are so many awful games coming out EVERY DAY.
I mean the tough thing to say is where do we draw the line? What is good enough and what isn't?
But I think most would agree when they see the same empty field, tree asset flipped games all the time, that we probably don't need more of those :P
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Yeah there's a bunch of barely functional shovelware, with basic assets, but I'm more worried about the shovelware that use stolen assets.
The other day I found one that used assets from Counter Strike, Zombies Ate my Neighbours, and Doom. And it showed them on the trailer as if it was nothing.
The same "developer" had 3 versions of that game on steam, plus several other random games, so clearly he made some money out of it.
That's really the only issue I think steam should address ASAP.
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GUYS!
So what are they doing?
Developing new games?
No.
Fixing the bugged discovery queue?
No.
Finally finishing the promised new Steam client?
No.
Being more available in support?
No.
See to quality control when it comes to games?
No.
Actually responding to reports whether it may be about games or players?
No.
So what are they actually doing?
Banning a lot of Linux users because of false assumptions?
Yes
Releasing new CS:GO skins and stuff so they can make more money?
Yes
Selling the data of hardware surveys to appropriate companies for more Shekels?
Yes
Entering their fap caves to laugh about people being helpless and not getting any support?
Yes
/rant over.
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